On 14/09/2021 17:03, philo wrote:
> On 9/13/21 3:43 PM, RabidHussar wrote:
>> On 2021-09-13 4:28 p.m., philo wrote:
>>> On 9/13/2021 1:38 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
>>
>>>> I got a new new computer because the old one wasn't compatible with
>>>> Windows 11, which I'll install when it's released, and because the
>>>> old one was 6 years old, and I wanted a newer faster machine.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> For me 6 years old is pretty new.
>>
>> In the 90s, a six year-old machine was basically useless. In the
>> 2000s, not so much. I still use my six year-old machine at work since
>> it's faster than the garbage Dell laptop they provide for us. Also, I
>> can install whatever I want on it whereas theirs requires
>> administration permissions for just about anything. I doubt that I'll
>> retire that machine even in 2025 on its ten year anniversary.
>>> When I saw how well my wife's machine was, I had to get something a
>>> little better for myself...I was still using a legacy BIOS machine.
>>> I converted the drive to GPT then put in an UEFI machine and I'm
>>> using it now. Though the CPU is not approved for Win11, when I do
>>> move to Win11 eventually, I'll put this SSD in the new machine.
>>
>> There is truly nothing special about Windows 11, to be honest. Maybe
>> some crazy feature will come eventually but for now, it doesn't do
>> much that I can't do on a generic Linux install or Windows 10.
>>
>>
>
>
> The machine I'm using now is about 15 years old. Works great with Linux.
>
> It was OK for Win10 also...quad core CPU and 16 gigs of ram

Philo

Do you consider THESE groups to have been part of the Usenet?

http://aumha.org/nntp.htm

As far as I'm aware, they are all 'dead' now.
I'm 99% sure that Ken Blake used to post in some of them!

On 9/15/21 1:49 PM, David Brooks wrote:
> On 14/09/2021 17:03, philo wrote:
>> On 9/13/21 3:43 PM, RabidHussar wrote:
>>> On 2021-09-13 4:28 p.m., philo wrote:
>>>> On 9/13/2021 1:38 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I got a new new computer because the old one wasn't compatible with
>>>>> Windows 11, which I'll install when it's released, and because the
>>>>> old one was 6 years old, and I wanted a newer faster machine.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> For me 6 years old is pretty new.
>>>
>>> In the 90s, a six year-old machine was basically useless. In the
>>> 2000s, not so much. I still use my six year-old machine at work since
>>> it's faster than the garbage Dell laptop they provide for us. Also, I
>>> can install whatever I want on it whereas theirs requires
>>> administration permissions for just about anything. I doubt that I'll
>>> retire that machine even in 2025 on its ten year anniversary.
>>>> When I saw how well my wife's machine was, I had to get something a
>>>> little better for myself...I was still using a legacy BIOS machine.
>>>> I converted the drive to GPT then put in an UEFI machine and I'm
>>>> using it now. Though the CPU is not approved for Win11, when I do
>>>> move to Win11 eventually, I'll put this SSD in the new machine.
>>>
>>> There is truly nothing special about Windows 11, to be honest. Maybe
>>> some crazy feature will come eventually but for now, it doesn't do
>>> much that I can't do on a generic Linux install or Windows 10.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> The machine I'm using now is about 15 years old. Works great with Linux.
>>
>> It was OK for Win10 also...quad core CPU and 16 gigs of ram
>
> Philo
>
> Do you consider THESE groups to have been part of the Usenet?
>
> http://aumha.org/nntp.htm
>
> As far as I'm aware, they are all 'dead' now.
> I'm 99% sure that Ken Blake used to post in some of them!

Never posted there

On 9/12/2021 5:17 PM, philo wrote:
> I have an old machine in my workshop that as an experiment, loaded 32bit
> Win10 on, then enabled the 16 bit subsystem for playing old games.
>
> Much to my surprise, it could even run Win 1 applets .
>
> https://ibb.co/M9dgTDp

I saw a version of Windows in 1985 on a Compaq luggable (30+ lbs) with a
enclosed 12 ??? inch amber screen. The Windows was tiled and horribly
busy. We bought the Compaq and never ran Windows on it. The Compaq was
a 8086 if I remember correctly.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compaq_Portable

Lynn

On 9/15/21 6:52 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> On 9/12/2021 5:17 PM, philo wrote:
>> I have an old machine in my workshop that as an experiment, loaded
>> 32bit Win10 on, then enabled the 16 bit subsystem for playing old games.
>>
>> Much to my surprise, it could even run Win 1 applets .
>>
>> https://ibb.co/M9dgTDp
>
> I saw a version of Windows in 1985 on a Compaq luggable (30+ lbs) with a
> enclosed 12 ??? inch amber screen.  The Windows was tiled and horribly
> busy.  We bought the Compaq and never ran Windows on it.  The Compaq was
> a 8086 if I remember correctly.
>    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compaq_Portable
>
> Lynn

I have one in my collection and initially thought it was not working.
Oddly it would only run one version of DOS and no others. I thing it was
msdos 3.3

Not sure

As to early Windows. Win1 windows ran tiled.

With Win2, they could overlap.

On 16/09/2021 00:06, philo wrote:
> On 9/15/21 1:49 PM, David Brooks wrote:
>> On 14/09/2021 17:03, philo wrote:
<snip>
>>> The machine I'm using now is about 15 years old. Works great with Linux.
>>>
>>> It was OK for Win10 also...quad core CPU and 16 gigs of ram

=

>> Philo
>>
>> Do you consider THESE groups to have been part of the Usenet?
>>
>> http://aumha.org/nntp.htm
>>
>> As far as I'm aware, they are all 'dead' now.
>> I'm 99% sure that Ken Blake used to post in some of them!
>
>
>
> *Never posted there*

*WHERE* did you never post, Philo?

For example: microsoft.public.windowsXP.general

At the URL I provided it says:-

MICROSOFT PUBLIC NEWSGROUPS
Updated February 14, 2007

There are many valuable newsgroups on the msnews.microsoft.com server,
on nearly every available topic and in many different languages.
Clicking the links below will automatically create any necessary account
configuration in Outlook Express or Wndows Mail (or other default
newsreader program) and take you directly to the newsgroup you have
selected — no complicated technical configurations are needed!

I strongly encourage you to visit the newsgroups with a newsreader such
as Outlook Express. Generally, people seeking help are better able to
find answers posted to their questions using a newsreader than if they
use Microsoft’s alternate web interface. These links make that easy to do.

==============================================================

I'm going to guess that msnews.microsoft.com IS part of the Usenet!

Am I right?

David Brooks wrote:
> On 16/09/2021 00:06, philo wrote:
>> On 9/15/21 1:49 PM, David Brooks wrote:
>>> On 14/09/2021 17:03, philo wrote:
> <snip>
>>>> The machine I'm using now is about 15 years old. Works great with
>>>> Linux.
>>>>
>>>> It was OK for Win10 also...quad core CPU and 16 gigs of ram
>
> =
>
>>> Philo
>>>
>>> Do you consider THESE groups to have been part of the Usenet?
>>>
>>> http://aumha.org/nntp.htm
>>>
>>> As far as I'm aware, they are all 'dead' now.
>>> I'm 99% sure that Ken Blake used to post in some of them!
>>
>>
>>
>> *Never posted there*
>
>
> *WHERE* did you never post, Philo?
>
> For example: microsoft.public.windowsXP.general
>
> At the URL I provided it says:-
>
>
> MICROSOFT PUBLIC NEWSGROUPS
> Updated February 14, 2007
>
> There are many valuable newsgroups on the msnews.microsoft.com server,
> on nearly every available topic and in many different languages.
> Clicking the links below will automatically create any necessary account
> configuration in Outlook Express or Wndows Mail (or other default
> newsreader program) and take you directly to the newsgroup you have
> selected — no complicated technical configurations are needed!
>
> I strongly encourage you to visit the newsgroups with a newsreader such
> as Outlook Express. Generally, people seeking help are better able to
> find answers posted to their questions using a newsreader than if they
> use Microsoft’s alternate web interface. These links make that easy to do.
>
> ==============================================================
>
> I'm going to guess that msnews.microsoft.com IS part of the Usenet!
>
> Am I right?

Microsoft disconnected themselves from USENET, some years ago.

microsoft.public.windowsxp.general exists, because it's too much
work to remove it.

Paul

On 9/15/21 10:30 PM, Paul wrote:
>
> Microsoft disconnected themselves from USENET, some years ago.
>
> microsoft.public.windowsxp.general exists, because it's too much
> work to remove it.
>
>    Paul

Could not control the narrative. The forums they
opened up are terrible and censor the crap out of
what you say.

And the forums are a terrible place to try to get
anything answered. M$ can do no wrong. It is all
your fault.

On 16/09/2021 06:30, Paul wrote:
> David Brooks wrote:
>> On 16/09/2021 00:06, philo wrote:
>>> On 9/15/21 1:49 PM, David Brooks wrote:
>>>> On 14/09/2021 17:03, philo wrote:
>> <snip>
>>>>> The machine I'm using now is about 15 years old. Works great with
>>>>> Linux.
>>>>>
>>>>> It was OK for Win10 also...quad core CPU and 16 gigs of ram
>>
>> =
>>
>>>> Philo
>>>>
>>>> Do you consider THESE groups to have been part of the Usenet?
>>>>
>>>> http://aumha.org/nntp.htm
>>>>
>>>> As far as I'm aware, they are all 'dead' now.
>>>> I'm 99% sure that Ken Blake used to post in some of them!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Never posted there*
>>
>>
>> *WHERE* did you never post, Philo?
>>
>> For example:     microsoft.public.windowsXP.general
>>
>> At the URL I provided it says:-
>>
>>
>> MICROSOFT PUBLIC NEWSGROUPS
>> Updated February 14, 2007
>>
>> There are many valuable newsgroups on the msnews.microsoft.com server,
>> on nearly every available topic and in many different languages.
>> Clicking the links below will automatically create any necessary
>> account configuration in Outlook Express or Wndows Mail (or other
>> default newsreader program) and take you directly to the newsgroup you
>> have selected — no complicated technical configurations are needed!
>>
>> I strongly encourage you to visit the newsgroups with a newsreader
>> such as Outlook Express. Generally, people seeking help are better
>> able to find answers posted to their questions using a newsreader than
>> if they use Microsoft’s alternate web interface. These links make that
>> easy to do.
>>
>> ==============================================================
>>
>> I'm going to guess that  msnews.microsoft.com  IS part of the Usenet!
>>
>> Am I right?
>
> Microsoft disconnected themselves from USENET, some years ago.
>
> microsoft.public.windowsxp.general exists, because it's too much
> work to remove it.

Thanks, Paul 😃

You may be interested to note that the news-servers I use carry dozens,
if not hundreds, of microsoft groups.

Microsoft.public.security for a start and microsoft.public.test.here was
once one of my favourites!

--
David

On 16/09/2021 09:50, David Brooks wrote:
[....]
> You may be interested to note that the news-servers I use carry dozens,
> if not hundreds, of microsoft groups.
>
> Microsoft.public.security for a start and microsoft.public.test.here was
> once one of my favourites!

By way of a test! :-D

On 16/09/2021 00:06, philo wrote:
> On 9/15/21 1:49 PM, David Brooks wrote:

>> Do you consider THESE groups to have been part of the Usenet?
>>
>> http://aumha.org/nntp.htm
>>
>> As far as I'm aware, they are all 'dead' now.
>> I'm 99% sure that Ken Blake used to post in some of them!
>
>
>
> Never posted there

*WHERE* did you never post, Philo?