I am going to retire an old computer and wonder if it is possible to
sell parts for scrap or perhaps someone would pay some amount for 1 or
both of the GTX970 video cards. Is that possible and if so how could
that be made to happen?

If the above is not possible then I might sell the thing as is but
how do I get all my information off of it?

Thanks for any help.

Jim

On 05/01/2022 21:25, swalker wrote:
>
> I am going to retire an old computer and wonder if it is possible to
> sell parts for scrap or perhaps someone would pay some amount for 1 or
> both of the GTX970 video cards. Is that possible and if so how could
> that be made to happen?
>
> If the above is not possible then I might sell the thing as is but
> how do I get all my information off of it?
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
> Jim

Why do you want to retire it - what won't it do that you need to do? If
it won't run a later version of Windows than the one it came with, why
not install Linux on it and use it as a NAS and/or print server?
--
Cheers,
Roger

On 1/5/2022 3:48 PM, Roger Mills wrote:
> On 05/01/2022 21:25, swalker wrote:
>>
>> I am going to retire an old computer and wonder if it is possible to
>> sell parts for scrap or perhaps someone would pay some amount for 1 or
>> both of the GTX970 video cards. Is that possible and if so how could
>> that be made to happen?
>>
>> If the above is not possible then I might sell the thing as is but
>> how do I get all my information off of it?
>>
>> Thanks for any help.
>>
>> Jim
>
> Why do you want to retire it - what won't it do that you need to do? If
> it won't run a later version of Windows than the one it came with, why
> not install Linux on it and use it as a NAS and/or print server?

Or upgrade some of the components and continue to run Windows on it.

On Wed, 05 Jan 2022 15:25:50 -0600, swalker <sw@newsguy.com> wrote:

Quite truthfully I am done with this machine. It will fail someday and
because it was a custom built machine getting it repaired would be
very expensive. The guys that built the machine are no longer around,
1 left for an unknown reason and the other decided to retire.

The case is very big as we were attempting to keep everything cool
when the graphics cards was running wide open processing math
applications. I need some desk space back.

I am also retiring, for the second time, the first time being in 1997
and I no longer want to fool around with this machine.

I also have 2 other notebooks and 1 has Windows 9 on it. So that must
be sorted.

>
>I am going to retire an old computer and wonder if it is possible to
>sell parts for scrap or perhaps someone would pay some amount for 1 or
>both of the GTX970 video cards. Is that possible and if so how could
>that be made to happen?
>
>If the above is not possible then I might sell the thing as is but
>how do I get all my information off of it?
>
>Thanks for any help.
>
>Jim

On 1/5/2022 6:42 PM, swalker wrote:
> On Wed, 05 Jan 2022 15:25:50 -0600, swalker <sw@newsguy.com> wrote:
>
> Quite truthfully I am done with this machine. It will fail someday and
> because it was a custom built machine getting it repaired would be
> very expensive. The guys that built the machine are no longer around,
> 1 left for an unknown reason and the other decided to retire.
>
> The case is very big as we were attempting to keep everything cool
> when the graphics cards was running wide open processing math
> applications. I need some desk space back.
>
> I am also retiring, for the second time, the first time being in 1997
> and I no longer want to fool around with this machine.
>
> I also have 2 other notebooks and 1 has Windows 9 on it. So that must
> be sorted.
>
>
>>
>> I am going to retire an old computer and wonder if it is possible to
>> sell parts for scrap or perhaps someone would pay some amount for 1 or
>> both of the GTX970 video cards. Is that possible and if so how could
>> that be made to happen?
>>
>> If the above is not possible then I might sell the thing as is but
>> how do I get all my information off of it?
>>
>> Thanks for any help.
>>
>> Jim

If the machine had integrated graphics, you could "chop up" as

Machine for sale, Intel graphics, XXX CPU, YYY Memory
(1) 970 graphics card
(1) 970 graphics card

That's because graphics cards are still a distorted market, and
who knows what they will fetch. You can write on them "not used
for coin mining" as well. Whether they are potential coin mining
material depends on the VRAM onboard, with 4GB being a good
starting point.

Video cards used for coin mining, need preparation work before
a "civilian" can use them again, and this reduces their "value"
to ordinary people. I wouldn't enjoy having to fix up a coin card.

Ethereum is switching from "proof of work" soon, so video cards
won't be in demand for Ethereum, Bitcoin is ruled by dedicated
mining machines, but there are plenty more coin flavours to convert
electricity into virtual currency. For the cards that have been
used for this, two things happen - bodged video BIOS is burned
into their firmware (can be fixed), they tend to have been at high temperature
for extended periods of continuous operation. Whereas your cards
have conventional BIOS and are "ready to use" for gamers.

*******

When you got the machine, did you make a backup of the OS before
using it ? You could do a restore to that time, as one of the steps.

You could also do a clean install, as long as Windows will still
activate.

The preparation step before either of those is:

0) Only install boot drive. Disconnect other drive(s)
1) Boot from Rescue CD (can make in Windows 7 Backup screen in
control panels).
2) Open a Command Prompt window
3) diskpart # You're running off the CD, so now the HDD OS can be erased
list disk # Verify there is only one disk drive
select disk 1 # Select it by number
clean all # This command overwrites every sector with 0x00 hex
exit

Now, either restore the OS from the first day you got the machine.

Or, now you can go ahead and install Windows 7 and re-activate it.
You will need the DVD the builders gave you, for this step. Ensure
you have this disc in hand, as well as the drivers disc(s) for
the hardware. My motherboard had a DVD in the box with the drivers
on it. Custom builders include that DVD in the box with the machine.

The above cleaning step ensures private information is removed and
cannot be scraped off the machine. The machine will then only
be as clean, as the custom builders left it. If the custom
builders "tattooed" the machine with "SWalker", then restoring
the original image isn't going to be of much benefit.

The clean install, you can create a new user "User" if you want,
as no last name is required for Username field. The password can
be 1234 if you want. Stick a Postit note inside the machine with
the username and password. If you leave a Postit on the outside
as well, it could fall off unless taped down well.

Paul

In article <sr5fan$56s$1@dont-email.me>
Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
>
> On 1/5/2022 6:42 PM, swalker wrote:
> > On Wed, 05 Jan 2022 15:25:50 -0600, swalker <sw@newsguy.com> wrote:
> >
> > Quite truthfully I am done with this machine. It will fail someday and

>
> If the machine had integrated graphics, you could "chop up" as
>
> Machine for sale, Intel graphics, XXX CPU, YYY Memory
> (1) 970 graphics card
> (1) 970 graphics card
>
> That's because graphics cards are still a distorted market, and
> who knows what they will fetch. You can write on them "not used
> for coin mining" as well. Whether they are potential coin mining
> material depends on the VRAM onboard, with 4GB being a good
> starting point.
>
> Video cards used for coin mining, need preparation work before
> a "civilian" can use them again, and this reduces their "value"
> to ordinary people. I wouldn't enjoy having to fix up a coin card.
>
> Ethereum is switching from "proof of work" soon, so video cards
> won't be in demand for Ethereum, Bitcoin is ruled by dedicated
> mining machines, but there are plenty more coin flavours to convert
> electricity into virtual currency. For the cards that have been
> used for this, two things happen - bodged video BIOS is burned
> into their firmware (can be fixed), they tend to have been at high temperature
> for extended periods of continuous operation. Whereas your cards
> have conventional BIOS and are "ready to use" for gamers.
>
> *******
>
> When you got the machine, did you make a backup of the OS before
> using it ? You could do a restore to that time, as one of the steps.
>
> You could also do a clean install, as long as Windows will still
> activate.
>
> The preparation step before either of those is:
>
> 0) Only install boot drive. Disconnect other drive(s)
> 1) Boot from Rescue CD (can make in Windows 7 Backup screen in
> control panels).
> 2) Open a Command Prompt window
> 3) diskpart # You're running off the CD, so now the HDD OS can be erased
> list disk # Verify there is only one disk drive
> select disk 1 # Select it by number
> clean all # This command overwrites every sector with 0x00 hex
> exit
>
> Now, either restore the OS from the first day you got the machine.
>
> Or, now you can go ahead and install Windows 7 and re-activate it.
> You will need the DVD the builders gave you, for this step. Ensure
> you have this disc in hand, as well as the drivers disc(s) for
> the hardware. My motherboard had a DVD in the box with the drivers
> on it. Custom builders include that DVD in the box with the machine.
>
> The above cleaning step ensures private information is removed and
> cannot be scraped off the machine. The machine will then only
> be as clean, as the custom builders left it. If the custom
> builders "tattooed" the machine with "SWalker", then restoring
> the original image isn't going to be of much benefit.
>
> The clean install, you can create a new user "User" if you want,
> as no last name is required for Username field. The password can
> be 1234 if you want. Stick a Postit note inside the machine with
> the username and password. If you leave a Postit on the outside
> as well, it could fall off unless taped down well.
>
> Paul

Only an egotistical fart would go so far as to post
such an answer in an attempt to show us his
grandoise knowledge of squat.

On 1/5/2022 8:38 PM, Nomen Nescio wrote:

>
> Only an egotistical fart would go so far as to post
> such an answer in an attempt to show us his
> grandoise knowledge of squat.
>

You could take it to the swap meet with you.

Paul

Why not reuse it for legacy stuff? If you don't really want it, then sell
it online like eBay, Craig's List, etc.? Definitely, securely erase
everything in the working drives. You CAN reuse those too. I reuse mine with old reliable W7 in it!

swalker <sw@newsguy.com> wrote:

> I am going to retire an old computer and wonder if it is possible to
> sell parts for scrap or perhaps someone would pay some amount for 1 or
> both of the GTX970 video cards. Is that possible and if so how could
> that be made to happen?

> If the above is not possible then I might sell the thing as is but
> how do I get all my information off of it?

> Thanks for any help.

> Jim

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On 1/5/2022 7:43 PM, Ant wrote:
> Why not reuse it for legacy stuff? If you don't really want it, then sell
> it online like eBay, Craig's List, etc.? Definitely, securely erase
> everything in the working drives. You CAN reuse those too.

I also reuse older working drives. The main drive in my current machine
is an NVMe drive, but I also have two older 2TB HDs installed. The're
not my main backup drives (my main backup is external), but just two
extra levels of backup.

> I reuse mine with old reliable W7 in it!

Mine are the oldest established, permanent floating backups in Arizona.

On 2022-01-05, swalker <sw@newsguy.com> wrote:
> I am going to retire an old computer and wonder if it is possible to
> sell parts for scrap or perhaps someone would pay some amount for 1 or
> both of the GTX970 video cards. Is that possible and if so how could
> that be made to happen?

That's not very old. I don't even have anything that new. I'm typing
this on a 2004-vintage laptop. My primary desktop system is around
8 years old or so.

> If the above is not possible then I might sell the thing as is but
> how do I get all my information off of it?

After copying the information you want saved to an external drive use
something like DBAN (Darik's Boot and Nuke) to security-erase the
hard drive. Optionally reinstall bare operating system for the new
owner.

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Who made the laptop. Curious what brand lasts that long unless you
rarely use it !

>
>That's not very old. I don't even have anything that new. I'm typing
>this on a 2004-vintage laptop. My primary desktop system is around
>8 years old or so.

KenW

On Thu, 06 Jan 2022 09:39:56 -0700, KenW <ken1943@invalid.net> wrote:

>Who made the laptop. Curious what brand lasts that long unless you
>rarely use it !
>
>>
>>That's not very old. I don't even have anything that new. I'm typing
>>this on a 2004-vintage laptop. My primary desktop system is around
>>8 years old or so.
>
>
>
>KenW

The oldest laptop which predates the current desktop I am going to get
rid of is an HP machine. Was a nice laptop with 2 SSD in place when
purchased. When I travel I continue to use it for working remotely.
The screen is about to go and it needs to be scraped. It along with
the desktop have win7 installed.

The other laptop has Win 7 on it and it was purchased used and has not
been used much as it is very slow.

On Thu, 06 Jan 2022 17:42:59 -0600, swalker <sw@newsguy.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 06 Jan 2022 09:39:56 -0700, KenW <ken1943@invalid.net> wrote:
>
>>Who made the laptop. Curious what brand lasts that long unless you
>>rarely use it !
>>
>>>
>>>That's not very old. I don't even have anything that new. I'm typing
>>>this on a 2004-vintage laptop. My primary desktop system is around
>>>8 years old or so.
>>
>>
>>
>>KenW
>
>The oldest laptop which predates the current desktop I am going to get
>rid of is an HP machine. Was a nice laptop with 2 SSD in place when
>purchased. When I travel I continue to use it for working remotely.
>The screen is about to go and it needs to be scraped. It along with
>the desktop have win7 installed.
>
>The other laptop has Win 7 on it and it was purchased used and has not
>been used much as it is very slow.

I was curious because I haven't had good luck with any manuf. laptops
I purchased. I had Asus, HP, Dell and they did not last very long.
Only one had battery go bad and they were not overused. I had great
luck with Netbooks. The longest router I had was a Zyxel 4 years and
My Daughter used it for another 3. Great luck with desktops I had made
to my specs 11years.

Oh well, enough of the rotten equipment !!!

KenW

KenW <ken1943@invalid.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 06 Jan 2022 17:42:59 -0600, swalker <sw@newsguy.com> wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 06 Jan 2022 09:39:56 -0700, KenW <ken1943@invalid.net> wrote:
> >
> >>Who made the laptop. Curious what brand lasts that long unless you
> >>rarely use it !
> >>
> >>>
> >>>That's not very old. I don't even have anything that new. I'm typing
> >>>this on a 2004-vintage laptop. My primary desktop system is around
> >>>8 years old or so.
> >
> >The oldest laptop which predates the current desktop I am going to get
> >rid of is an HP machine. Was a nice laptop with 2 SSD in place when
> >purchased. When I travel I continue to use it for working remotely.
> >The screen is about to go and it needs to be scraped. It along with
> >the desktop have win7 installed.
> >
> >The other laptop has Win 7 on it and it was purchased used and has not
> >been used much as it is very slow.
>
> I was curious because I haven't had good luck with any manuf. laptops
> I purchased. I had Asus, HP, Dell and they did not last very long.
> Only one had battery go bad and they were not overused. I had great
> luck with Netbooks. The longest router I had was a Zyxel 4 years and
> My Daughter used it for another 3. Great luck with desktops I had made
> to my specs 11years.
>
> Oh well, enough of the rotten equipment !!!

My laptops, all HP, 'last' some 7-8 years. The current one is at
nearly 8 years and I hope it lasts a few more years until Windows 10
support (it now runs 8.1) runs out.

I say 'last' in scare quotes, because they didn't fail or break, but
because I 'needed' more powerful hardware - mainly disk-space - and
because the newer Windows versions needed more memory.

I still have all three laptops and they still work fine (except of
course for the severely degraded capacity of the batteries).

On 7 Jan 2022 11:13:03 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
wrote:

>KenW <ken1943@invalid.net> wrote:
>> On Thu, 06 Jan 2022 17:42:59 -0600, swalker <sw@newsguy.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Thu, 06 Jan 2022 09:39:56 -0700, KenW <ken1943@invalid.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >>Who made the laptop. Curious what brand lasts that long unless you
>> >>rarely use it !
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>>That's not very old. I don't even have anything that new. I'm typing
>> >>>this on a 2004-vintage laptop. My primary desktop system is around
>> >>>8 years old or so.
>> >
>> >The oldest laptop which predates the current desktop I am going to get
>> >rid of is an HP machine. Was a nice laptop with 2 SSD in place when
>> >purchased. When I travel I continue to use it for working remotely.
>> >The screen is about to go and it needs to be scraped. It along with
>> >the desktop have win7 installed.
>> >
>> >The other laptop has Win 7 on it and it was purchased used and has not
>> >been used much as it is very slow.
>>
>> I was curious because I haven't had good luck with any manuf. laptops
>> I purchased. I had Asus, HP, Dell and they did not last very long.
>> Only one had battery go bad and they were not overused. I had great
>> luck with Netbooks. The longest router I had was a Zyxel 4 years and
>> My Daughter used it for another 3. Great luck with desktops I had made
>> to my specs 11years.
>>
>> Oh well, enough of the rotten equipment !!!
>
> My laptops, all HP, 'last' some 7-8 years. The current one is at
>nearly 8 years and I hope it lasts a few more years until Windows 10
>support (it now runs 8.1) runs out.
>
> I say 'last' in scare quotes, because they didn't fail or break, but
>because I 'needed' more powerful hardware - mainly disk-space - and
>because the newer Windows versions needed more memory.
>
> I still have all three laptops and they still work fine (except of
>course for the severely degraded capacity of the batteries).

My wife's only computer is an HP laptop, bought new in 2009. The WiFi
module is dead, but it was only 802.11g so I simply added a USB-based
WiFi dongle that works much better/faster. The speakers are essentially
dead, but she rarely moves the laptop so external speakers work fine and
actually sound better.

My laptop is a Dell, bought new in 2013. No problems so far. I use it
for work, so it travels with me, and when I'm home I use it to RDP into
my desktop PC.

On Wed, 05 Jan 2022 15:25:50 -0600, swalker <sw@newsguy.com> wrote:

>If the above is not possible then I might sell the thing as is but
>how do I get all my information off of it?

Use a USB connecter (or USB flash drive) to copy any data you want to
keep to another machine.

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> want to benefit from my off-the-cuff remarks.

HTML is actually a 20th century invention...

....but thanks for playing.

On Sat, 08 Jan 2022 10:15:56 +0200, Steve Hayes
<hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:

>On Wed, 05 Jan 2022 15:25:50 -0600, swalker <sw@newsguy.com> wrote:
>
>>If the above is not possible then I might sell the thing as is but
>>how do I get all my information off of it?
>
>Use a USB connecter (or USB flash drive) to copy any data you want to
>keep to another machine.

You probably didn't mean "copy," and he might understand that you
didn't, but just in case...

Don't copy the data, *move* it.

Or you can copy it, and then format the drive.

On 1/8/2022 10:51 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
> On Sat, 08 Jan 2022 10:15:56 +0200, Steve Hayes
> <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 05 Jan 2022 15:25:50 -0600, swalker <sw@newsguy.com> wrote:
>>
>>> If the above is not possible then I might sell the thing as is but
>>> how do I get all my information off of it?
>>
>> Use a USB connecter (or USB flash drive) to copy any data you want to
>> keep to another machine.
>
>
> You probably didn't mean "copy," and he might understand that you
> didn't, but just in case...
>
> Don't copy the data, *move* it.
>
> Or you can copy it, and then format the drive.
>

Formatting a drive does not clean it.

Microsoft Diskpart "Clean All" zeroes a hard drive.
That is a start at a cleaning.

I use that with my "experiment drives", any time I need
to be absolutely sure nothing on the disk can influence
an outcome. (This is important with RAID experiments.)

The ATA command set has "Enhanced Secure Erase" and that
will also erase the spares pool. That's the closest thing
available to a complete surface rewrite.

Since the CMRR organization no longer distributes their utility
"HDDErase", you'd have to find another way to do it. Several of the
SSD Toolkit programs, they will emit a "Secure Erase" to one of
their branded SSD drives, but not every Toolkit works properly,
and the program may give some bogus error message for your attempt
to do that. The one that worked for me, was the Corsair Toolkit,
when working with their Neutron SSD drive. When that worked, I thought
nothing of it. Didn't think that was extraordinary. Until later I
tried to get Intel and Samsung to do a Secure Erase on an Intel and
a Samsung SSD respectively, and I got error messages instead.
Rather sad they wouldn't test that stuff works. Or at least
patch it, when field reports claim it does not work.

The CMRR HDDErase, required setting a password on the drive. The
purpose of that standalone password on ATA, is to prevent malware
from erasing drives. Once you've set a Secure Erase password on
a drive, you write the password on the drive with a Sharpie,
for future usage.

"Secure Erase PW = 12345"

Some examples of silliness.

https://cmrr.ucsd.edu/_files/hdd-erase-readme.txt

"+----------------------------------------------------------+
| It is required to set a password to the HDD to perfom a |
| SECURE ERASE. |
| Setting HDD security with the following password: idrive | <===
| Set password command: Successful! |
+----------------------------------------------------------+

Normally if the secure erase procedure does not complete HDDerase can be run
again and unlock your drive and then complete the erase procedure. An audit
trail will be written to LBA 0 to confirm this. The unlock option ("U" from the
options menu) can also be used to automatically remove HDDErase set passwords.
If you are unable to run HDDerase again the user password that is set for
HDDerase v3.2 is: "idrive". The user password that is set for all versions of
HDDerase v3.1 and below is: "xty3fgds2h32j4kd02k9rfgep36435". A number of free
utilities are available to unlock drives with a known password, such as atapwd
(http://www.rockbox.org/lock.html) and MHDD (http://hddguru.com/content/en) to
name a few. Please verify the correct version you are using and unlock with the
appropiate password, then disable withthe same password.
"

The DiskPart "Clean All" seems so much saner after you read
about stuff like that :-)

Anything remotely close to physical level on drives, always seems
to devolve to "running a tool on an MSDOS floppy diskette", where
these days the odds are almost zero that MSDOS will boot on nifty
new equipment.

Paul

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> > want to benefit from my off-the-cuff remarks.

> HTML is actually a 20th century invention...

> ...but thanks for playing.

I still prefer old school text format.
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On 2022-01-06, KenW <ken1943@invalid.net> wrote:
> Who made the laptop. Curious what brand lasts that long unless you
> rarely use it !

I use it nearly every day, it's an Acer Travelmate. Battery is long
since shot of course but I just run it off of AC.

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> > > I have used 21st century technology to compose this post.
> > > Some users may not be able to read it on their old computer
> > > or laptop. They will need to upgrade their machine if they
> > > want to benefit from my off-the-cuff remarks.
>
> > HTML is actually a 20th century invention...
>
> > ...but thanks for playing.
>
> I still prefer old school text format.

Using HTML on Usenet is the sign of an ignorant and troublemaking
asshole.

Using HTML on Usenet is one step away from one using it for e-mail,
which can me dangerous.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=dangers+of+html+mail&t=h_&ia=web

On Sun, 9 Jan 2022 04:26:06 +0100 (CET), xp_forever@screw,
gates.com@dizum.com wrote:

>In article <S_adnVPcqYO-20f8nZ2dnUU7-fWdnZ2d@earthlink.com>
>ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:
>>
>> DanS <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.c.o.m> wrote:
>> > =?UTF-8?B?8J+YiSBHb29kIEd1eSDwn5iJ?>> > <Hello.World@example.onion> wrote in
>> > news:sr78aj$2m0ps$1@news.mixmin.net:
>>
>> > >
>> > > I have used 21st century technology to compose this post.
>> > > Some users may not be able to read it on their old computer
>> > > or laptop. They will need to upgrade their machine if they
>> > > want to benefit from my off-the-cuff remarks.
>>
>> > HTML is actually a 20th century invention...
>>
>> > ...but thanks for playing.
>>
>> I still prefer old school text format.
>
>Using HTML on Usenet is the sign of an ignorant and troublemaking
>asshole.

Ignorant? Yes, usually.

Troublemaking asshole? Sometimes, but for most html users, it's just
ignorance.

>Using HTML on Usenet is one step away from one using it for e-mail,
>which can me dangerous.

Yes. But it hardly matters to me, since I read all e-mail messages in
plain text, even if they were sent in html.

In article <qc0mtg110te6ru1a2k7j64co8ulf89mlec@4ax.com>
Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
>
> On Sun, 9 Jan 2022 04:26:06 +0100 (CET), xp_forever@screw,
> gates.com@dizum.com wrote:
>
> >In article <S_adnVPcqYO-20f8nZ2dnUU7-fWdnZ2d@earthlink.com>
> >ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:
> >>
> >> DanS <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.c.o.m> wrote:
> >> > =?UTF-8?B?8J+YiSBHb29kIEd1eSDwn5iJ?=
> >> > <Hello.World@example.onion> wrote in
> >> > news:sr78aj$2m0ps$1@news.mixmin.net:
> >>
> >> > >
> >> > > I have used 21st century technology to compose this post.
> >> > > Some users may not be able to read it on their old computer
> >> > > or laptop. They will need to upgrade their machine if they
> >> > > want to benefit from my off-the-cuff remarks.
> >>
> >> > HTML is actually a 20th century invention...
> >>
> >> > ...but thanks for playing.
> >>
> >> I still prefer old school text format.
> >
> >Using HTML on Usenet is the sign of an ignorant and troublemaking
> >asshole.
>
> Ignorant? Yes, usually.
>
> Troublemaking asshole? Sometimes, but for most html users, it's just
> ignorance.
>
> >Using HTML on Usenet is one step away from one using it for e-mail,
> >which can me dangerous.
>
> Yes. But it hardly matters to me, since I read all e-mail messages in
> plain text, even if they were sent in html.

Same here, except I can't convince my wife to stop sending me those
dang HTML emails. She just doesn't get it. But...there are some
things she does get. It's those things that keep me putting up with
her HTML emails. :o)

On Sun, 9 Jan 2022 21:08:38 +0100 (CET), xp_forever@screw.gates.com
wrote:

>In article <qc0mtg110te6ru1a2k7j64co8ulf89mlec@4ax.com>
>Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, 9 Jan 2022 04:26:06 +0100 (CET), xp_forever@screw,
>> gates.com@dizum.com wrote:
>>
>> >In article <S_adnVPcqYO-20f8nZ2dnUU7-fWdnZ2d@earthlink.com>
>> >ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) wrote:
>> >>
>> >> DanS <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.c.o.m> wrote:
>> >> > =?UTF-8?B?8J+YiSBHb29kIEd1eSDwn5iJ?=
>> >> > <Hello.World@example.onion> wrote in
>> >> > news:sr78aj$2m0ps$1@news.mixmin.net:
>> >>
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I have used 21st century technology to compose this post.
>> >> > > Some users may not be able to read it on their old computer
>> >> > > or laptop. They will need to upgrade their machine if they
>> >> > > want to benefit from my off-the-cuff remarks.
>> >>
>> >> > HTML is actually a 20th century invention...
>> >>
>> >> > ...but thanks for playing.
>> >>
>> >> I still prefer old school text format.
>> >
>> >Using HTML on Usenet is the sign of an ignorant and troublemaking
>> >asshole.
>>
>> Ignorant? Yes, usually.
>>
>> Troublemaking asshole? Sometimes, but for most html users, it's just
>> ignorance.
>>
>> >Using HTML on Usenet is one step away from one using it for e-mail,
>> >which can me dangerous.
>>
>> Yes. But it hardly matters to me, since I read all e-mail messages in
>> plain text, even if they were sent in html.
>
>Same here, except I can't convince my wife to stop sending me those
>dang HTML emails. She just doesn't get it.

If my wife had a bad habit, I would simply set her email client to
*never* send HTML to me. Odds are that she'd be too uninterested in
the mechanics of the client to bother resetting it.

Of course, I'd tell her what I did. :)

> But...there are some
>things she does get. It's those things that keep me putting up with
>her HTML emails. :o)

Some wives are definitely worth the aggravation. :)

J.