On 2021-08-30, Ilya Kraskov <Ilyanospam123Kraskov123@gomail.com.ua> wrote:
> On 29.8.2021 14:01, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> Yet Jeff apparently doesn't know that Bluetooth OBDII adapters (like the
>> Carista OBD2 adapter I have) work just fine with iPhones, and have for
>> many years, because he chimed right in to post a lame joke in agreement
>> with incorrect claims that they don't exist from another troll. Yes,
>> clearly he "knows more than just about anyone here"...\s
>
> Jeff knows more electronics than fifty of you Jolly Rogers' will ever know.

Now you're just repeating yourself. And nym switching is lame. *YAWN*

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On 30.08.2021 16:42, nospam wrote:
> when apple made a change, the linux community had to update their
> driver, which they did, just as what happens with any product that has
> aftermarket support.

Apple doesn't support the main operating systems in use today.
Specifically Apple doesn't test their changes that affect linux.

It's one more example of Apple products not working in the real world.
Apple products only work well inside an Apple-made artificial walled garden.

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> asked
>>>Then you paid too much. I got mine on Amazon for $19.99.
>>
>> When?
>
> A few years ago, IIRC - not that it's really relevant.

Jolly Roger lied to you Jeff.
Just like Apple always lies about their battery use time.

Apple probably lies like crazy about their Airport Router signal strength.
(Yes, I know full well you've studied that stuff in great detail. All lie.)

But still... it seems that *Nobody lies like Apple lies* in terms of size.
(Apple paid over a billion dollars last year alone for their public lies.)

And yet, all these lies only hold if nobody checks up on their many lies.

Nobody can ever reproduce the lies from Jolly Roger or Apple.
They assume we're too stupid to check up on what they brazenly make up.

The fact is Jolly Roger just made up the price out of nothing.
Jolly Roger probably doesn't even own the device, nor did he ever.

Jolly Roger assumed you wouldn't check up on his lies.
The real question is why do these Apple apologists brazenly lie?

Are they really that stupid?
Or are they just desperate to defend Apple at all costs?

In article <sgivo4$ee5$1@gioia.aioe.org>, wolfgang kern
<nowhere@nospicedham.never.at> wrote:

>
> Apple doesn't support the main operating systems in use today.

yes they do, that being macos and windows.

linux on the desktop is *not* common, no matter what linux users might
think.

linux is commonly used for servers or embedded devices, neither of
which need iphone support.

> Specifically Apple doesn't test their changes that affect linux.

there's no reason why they should since linux isn't a supported system.

lots of companies don't support linux, including camera makers,
wearable devices and much more.

the linux community normally creates its own support for such devices,
with varying degrees of success (usually not particularly good).

On 2021-08-30, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2021-08-30, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
>> On 29 Aug 2021 21:05:31 GMT, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>>On 2021-08-29, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 8/28/2021 5:46 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 12:26:03 -0700, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> OBD-II is interesting because the low-cost OBD-II dongles are
>>>>>> Bluetooth-only and use the SPP (Serial Port Profile) which iOS
>>>>>> does not support.
>>>>>
>>>>> Worse. Most of the OBD-II wireless dongles use cloned
>>>>> (counterfeit) ELM327 chips, which may or may not support various
>>>>> features. There are apps that will test for which features are
>>>>> available. For example: I've ordered OBD-II readers on eBay that
>>>>> were advertised to be 2.3 compatible, that turned out to be an
>>>>> older version.
>>>>
>>>> I had some cheap ones that had difficulty connecting sometimes, but
>>>> then they worked okay after that. The one I use now, the "Carista"
>>>> was $30
>>
>>>Then you paid too much. I got mine on Amazon for $19.99.
>>
>> When?
>
> A few years ago, IIRC - not that it's really relevant.

September 2, 2018, to be exact:

<https://i.imgur.com/xuaINWy.jpg>

Not that I need you to believe me. I bought it. I have it. I've used it
for years with multiple cars and Apple devices without issue. It's a
great little OBD2 adapter that I will continue to use, happily. And
what some rando on the net has to say about it won't change a thing.

And of course as usual, Arlen (aka: Robin Goodfellow and a slew of other
nyms here) is a complete know-nothing loser and fool whose entire life
is spent trolling. : )

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On 30 Aug 2021 17:35:20 GMT, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

>On 2021-08-30, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> On 2021-08-30, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
>>> On 29 Aug 2021 21:05:31 GMT, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>>>On 2021-08-29, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 8/28/2021 5:46 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 12:26:03 -0700, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OBD-II is interesting because the low-cost OBD-II dongles are
>>>>>>> Bluetooth-only and use the SPP (Serial Port Profile) which iOS
>>>>>>> does not support.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Worse. Most of the OBD-II wireless dongles use cloned
>>>>>> (counterfeit) ELM327 chips, which may or may not support various
>>>>>> features. There are apps that will test for which features are
>>>>>> available. For example: I've ordered OBD-II readers on eBay that
>>>>>> were advertised to be 2.3 compatible, that turned out to be an
>>>>>> older version.
>>>>>
>>>>> I had some cheap ones that had difficulty connecting sometimes, but
>>>>> then they worked okay after that. The one I use now, the "Carista"
>>>>> was $30
>>>
>>>>Then you paid too much. I got mine on Amazon for $19.99.
>>>
>>> When?
>>
>> A few years ago, IIRC - not that it's really relevant.

Thanks. I didn't suggest that you didn't pay $19.99 (plus shipping or
Amazon Prime membership). I simply indicated that I could not find it
on Amazon or anywhere except China for the stated price. You bought
it 3 years ago, which is very relevant if the reader is considering
purchasing the device. Three year old prices are rather useless in
todays inflation driven economy:

"Amazon changes prices on its products about every 10 minutes - here's
how and why they do it"
<https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-price-changes-2018-8>

I often track Amazon pricing history using:
<https://camelcamelcamel.com>
A search currently finds nothing for Carista ODB-II (or ODB2) so no
price history. Here's a competing model as an example. Notice the
radical price changes on Amazon:
<https://camelcamelcamel.com/product/B073XKQQQW>

>September 2, 2018, to be exact:
><https://i.imgur.com/xuaINWy.jpg>

Thanks (again) for providing substantiation. That helps separate the
facts from the fabrications.

>Not that I need you to believe me. I bought it. I have it. I've used it
>for years with multiple cars and Apple devices without issue. It's a
>great little OBD2 adapter that I will continue to use, happily. And
>what some rando on the net has to say about it won't change a thing.

I never suggested otherwise. I did mention the device I was using
along with its limitations. If some "rando" on the net offers an
alternative, it would be of little importance to you, but might be
useful to someone reading this thread.

>And of course as usual, Arlen (aka: Robin Goodfellow and a slew of other
>nyms here) is a complete know-nothing loser and fool whose entire life
>is spent trolling. : )

Whatever.

Gone to the post office to pickup some chainsaw parts, which might be
useful for an upcoming WiFi network install.

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On 2021-08-30 16:07:32 +0000, wolfgang kern said:

> On 30.08.2021 16:42, nospam wrote:
>> when apple made a change, the linux community had to update their
>> driver, which they did, just as what happens with any product that has
>> aftermarket support.
>
> Apple doesn't support the main operating systems in use today.
> Specifically Apple doesn't test their changes that affect linux.
>
> It's one more example of Apple products not working in the real world.
> Apple products only work well inside an Apple-made artificial walled garden.

Another braindead anti-Apple troll for the killfile. :-\

On 8/30/2021 2:24 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

> Thanks. I didn't suggest that you didn't pay $19.99 (plus shipping or
> Amazon Prime membership). I simply indicated that I could not find it
> on Amazon or anywhere except China for the stated price. You bought
> it 3 years ago, which is very relevant if the reader is considering
> purchasing the device. Three year old prices are rather useless in
> todays inflation driven economy:

I don't see the Carista on Amazon anymore.

It's still available elsewhere
<https://www.ecstuning.com/b-carista-parts/carista-bluetooth-obd2-adapter/cobd-bt24~cra/>,
and it's the same price that it was sold for on Amazon. I never saw it
go on sale for $19.99, but it's possible.

One advantage of the Carista is that it's BLE so you can use it with
iPhone OBD-II apps as well as with Android. Prior to that you had to use
a Wi-Fi ELM-327 OBD-II adapter to use with iPhone, and those were a lot
more expensive than the Bluetooth ELM-327 OBD-II adapters.

Another advantage of the Carista is that their premium subscription
offers manufacturer-specific information for some vehicle manufacturers.

Unfortunately, the Torque Pro app is only on Android, and while there
apps with similar functionality for iOS, they aren't as good as Torque
Pro <https://torque-bhp.com/wiki/Main_Page>.

There's another issue with the el-cheapo ELM-327 adapters as well, some
of them can really screw up the ECU. It's been a common issue on
Priuses, see
<https://priuschat.com/threads/elm327-bluetooth-put-my-car-into-fail-safe-mode-how-to-fix.161034/>.

On 2021-08-30, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
> On 30 Aug 2021 17:35:20 GMT, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>On 2021-08-30, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>> On 2021-08-30, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
>>>> On 29 Aug 2021 21:05:31 GMT, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>>>>On 2021-08-29, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/28/2021 5:46 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 12:26:03 -0700, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> OBD-II is interesting because the low-cost OBD-II dongles are
>>>>>>>> Bluetooth-only and use the SPP (Serial Port Profile) which iOS
>>>>>>>> does not support.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Worse. Most of the OBD-II wireless dongles use cloned
>>>>>>> (counterfeit) ELM327 chips, which may or may not support various
>>>>>>> features. There are apps that will test for which features are
>>>>>>> available. For example: I've ordered OBD-II readers on eBay
>>>>>>> that were advertised to be 2.3 compatible, that turned out to be
>>>>>>> an older version.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I had some cheap ones that had difficulty connecting sometimes,
>>>>>> but then they worked okay after that. The one I use now, the
>>>>>> "Carista" was $30
>>>>
>>>>>Then you paid too much. I got mine on Amazon for $19.99.
>>>>
>>>> When?
>>>
>>> A few years ago, IIRC - not that it's really relevant.
>
> Thanks. I didn't suggest that you didn't pay $19.99 (plus shipping or
> Amazon Prime membership).

Welcome. I don't subscribe to Amazon Prime. That's for suckers as far as
I'm concerned. Shipping was free. I paid exactly $19.99 - and no more -
for it.

> You bought it 3 years ago, which is very relevant if the reader is
> considering purchasing the device.

Meh. The person I was responding to was "sms", who also purchased his
previously for much more than $19.99.

> Thanks (again) for providing substantiation. That helps separate the
> facts from the fabrications.

Yes. Note that I haven't fabricated anything in this thread. Arlen under
his many nyms and others, not so much - starting with the laughable
claim that Apple devices can't use cheap OBD2 devices, which is what
prompted my replies in this thread in the first place. : )

>>Not that I need you to believe me. I bought it. I have it. I've used
>>it for years with multiple cars and Apple devices without issue. It's
>>a great little OBD2 adapter that I will continue to use, happily. And
>>what some rando on the net has to say about it won't change a thing.
>
> I never suggested otherwise. I did mention the device I was using
> along with its limitations. If some "rando" on the net offers an
> alternative, it would be of little importance to you, but might be
> useful to someone reading this thread.
>
>>And of course as usual, Arlen (aka: Robin Goodfellow and a slew of
>>other nyms here) is a complete know-nothing loser and fool whose
>>entire life is spent trolling. : )
>
> Whatever.

Yes, I'm sure his trolling activities in the Apple newsgroups isn't a
concern to some people - especially those who have a tiny, little Apple
hate boner and like seeing Apple newsgroups disrupted by them.
Nevertheless, I will continue to point it out when I see it. That's
life. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

> Gone to the post office to pickup some chainsaw parts, which might be
> useful for an upcoming WiFi network install.

Whatever. : )

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In article <sgjkkb$l0m$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> One advantage of the Carista is that it's BLE so you can use it with
> iPhone OBD-II apps as well as with Android. Prior to that you had to use
> a Wi-Fi ELM-327 OBD-II adapter to use with iPhone, and those were a lot
> more expensive than the Bluetooth ELM-327 OBD-II adapters.

the wifi versions were not significantly more expensive and they were
not the only option either.

> Another advantage of the Carista is that their premium subscription
> offers manufacturer-specific information for some vehicle manufacturers.

that is an advantage.

> Unfortunately, the Torque Pro app is only on Android, and while there
> apps with similar functionality for iOS, they aren't as good as Torque
> Pro

some apps are as good and some are even better.

> There's another issue with the el-cheapo ELM-327 adapters as well, some
> of them can really screw up the ECU. It's been a common issue on
> Priuses

no, that isn't a common issue nor is it specific to elm327 either.

Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> asked
>>Well, he knows nothing about OBD2 and iOS if he's claiming it doesn't
>>work better on iOS than on Android, that's for sure.
>
> Are you sure I wrote that?

(Jeff... Please see the personal note in the sig. Thanks.)

As a curious and sensibly logical person, what I want to know is why.

Why is it that _only_ iOS is so crippled that it lacks _all_ these things?
I don't know why.

Do you?

What's interesting is they claim I said OBDII wasn't on iOS and I never said
that either. I was using it as a hypothetical example but they have _no_
defense to Apple flaws that they distorted what I clearly had said (or
they're so stupid that they actually can't comprehend the language used).

What's common is in their desperation to defend that the iPhone is crippled,
they just make this shit up, mainly as a deflection against the fact of the
major topic which is why basic wi-fi graphical debuggers aren't on iOS (but
yet, they're on _all_ other of the five common consumer operating systems).

There could only be very few reasons why iOS is crippled when it comes to
graphical wifi debugging though... which is the part that interests me.

Why?
Why is it _only_ iOS is so crippled when it comes to actually doing things?

*Why just iOS?*
It's not even the macOS which is so crippled.
Just iOS.

*Why iOS only that is crippled?*

It can't be that "nobody wants to do it" which is the argument they often
spout, nor that "it's there, but you can't find it" which is, surprisingly,
their most common defense (their defense, like Apple's, is to just lie).

Perhaps it's likely the same reason why iOS is crippled when it comes to
_lots_ of utilities common to _all_ other common consumer operating systems
(recorders, launchers, debuggers, firewalls, adblockers, defaults, TOR,
etc.).

Why is it that _only_ iOS is so crippled that it lacks _all_ these things?
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electrical power went out 8 times for a day each in the month of August
alone!). If you want to be on that local group, just let me know here and
I'll tell the group organizer to invite you. You actually know him as he
runs a WISP you are very familiar with and whom I'm sure you respect.

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> asked
>> Really? Where do you get your information/education?
>
> from writing mobile apps that do exactly what i described.

Bear in mind nospam claimed Android doesn't have app drawer apps.
That's how much he knows about Android.

He has claimed that Android doesn't update frequently (where nospam has no
clue about Project Treble and Project Mainline for example).

He's clueless about Android but more importantly nospam doesn't even know
anything about iOS as he's been wrong on almost everything he claims.

For example, nospam claimed iOS has graphical wifi debuggers.
Yet he can _never_ come up with even a single one in the app store!

Never.
Not even one.

And it's not just graphical wifi debugging tools nospam fabricates exists...
He fabricates existence of imaginary encryption container tools, and
imaginary automatic call recording tools, and imaginary system wide foss
firewalls, and imaginary system wide foss ad blockers, and imaginary gps
spoofing by default, and imaginary fully functional foss ad free youtube
clones, and imaginary powerful IPA backup tools, and nospam even fabricated
that the FOSS Tor Browser anonymity tools exist on iOS when it can't.

All lies.
*Nobody lies like Apple lies* & concurrently, nobody lies like nospam lies.

But my question is why is it _only_ iOS that is so badly crippled?

In message <300820211924210915%nospam@nospam.invalid> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <sgjkkb$l0m$1@dont-email.me>, sms
> <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

>> One advantage of the Carista is that it's BLE so you can use it with
>> iPhone OBD-II apps as well as with Android. Prior to that you had to use
>> a Wi-Fi ELM-327 OBD-II adapter to use with iPhone, and those were a lot
>> more expensive than the Bluetooth ELM-327 OBD-II adapters.

> the wifi versions were not significantly more expensive and they were
> not the only option either.

sms is, of course, lying again. I had one of the Automatic OBDII dongles
and it did not use WiFi, but used BlueTooth.

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