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* Re: Is there an iOS app similar to the Android WiFi Analyzer app?Robin Goodfellow
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Re: Is there an iOS app similar to the Android WiFi Analyzer app?

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From: jollyroger@pobox.com (Jolly Roger)
Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android,alt.internet.wireless
Subject: Re: Is there an iOS app similar to the Android WiFi Analyzer app?
Date: 29 Aug 2021 22:34:50 GMT
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 by: Jolly Roger - Sun, 29 Aug 2021 22:34 UTC

On 2021-08-29, Jim Whitby <news@spockmail.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Aug 2021 21:21:16 +0000, Jolly Roger wrote:
><snip>
>
>>> How do you think every phone (Android, Windows, ios, linux, etc) is
>>> connected to a vehicle? Magic? USB? WiFi? or ???
>>
>> I mean, he literally said "Bluetooth" multiple times above. Are you
>> blind or something?
>
> It appears I can see better than you.

Apparently not...

>I was asking how if not bluetooth, how?

Your own words above definitely do *not* mention Bluetooth *at all*.
It seems it is *you* who can't read (or more correctly, *write*).

> he claimed apple was the only one that could do it.
>
> Or maybe you missed the "android can't do that".

That's not what he meant by "that". If you think you are fooling anyone
here by conveniently snipping out what he actually said, you're a fool.
Here's what you dishonestly snipped in order to play dumb - with
emphasis added to the bit you either don't understand or flat-out
*ignored*, probably in order to roll a really lame troll:

>>> what i'm specifically referring to are apps that automatically
>>> connect and communicate with bluetooth devices entirely in the
>>> background, in particular, *without* the user needing to separately
>>> launch an app at all.

Go ahead and troll some more. It's transparent to anyone with a
functioning brain.

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From: Ancient-of-Days@Heaven.Net (Robin Goodfellow)
Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android,alt.internet.wireless
Subject: Re: Is there an iOS app similar to the Android WiFi Analyzer app?
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 by: Robin Goodfellow - Sun, 29 Aug 2021 22:39 UTC

Jim Whitby <news@spockmail.net> asked

>>>> android can't do that.
>>>
>>> How do you think every phone (Android, Windows, ios, linux, etc) is
>>> connected to a vehicle? Magic? USB? WiFi? or ???
>>
>> I mean, he literally said "Bluetooth" multiple times above. Are you
>> blind or something?
>
> It appears I can see better than you. I was asking how if not bluetooth,
> how? Then he claimed apple was the only one that could do it.
>
> Or maybe you missed the "android can't do that".

What's happening is the iOS lovers _hate_ that iOS is a crippled OS.

The fact remains of the lack of graphical wifi and cellular debugging tools
on iOS which clearly are on all other operating systems _except_ iOS.

iPhone lovers will defend this crippled lack of functionality to the death.
Hence, they're "blind" to everything about either iOS or Android proving it.

Worse, as you noted, they _twist_ what was said to suit their desperation.

They're _desperate_ to find something (anything) iOS can do that Android
does all the time given there is so much the crippled iOS _can't_ do that
Android does.

They even twisted my words given I never said OBDII wasn't on iOS because
they're _desperate_ to defend the crippled iPhone any way they possibly can.

Here is _exactly_ what I said (verbatim):
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> asked
> if you want to use a ridiculous car analogy, what you're suggesting is
> someone downloading a bunch of apps to try to diagnose the car despite
> not knowing what they're doing, versus taking it to a mechanic and have
> it properly fixed.

Keeping with the car analogy, it's like OBD testers exist on all platforms
except on the iOS platform because Apple, for some reason, would hate
OBDII.

Many useful utilities are on all platforms _except_ the iOS platform.
Graphical cellular signal debuggers are yet another example not on iOS.

*The toy iOS isn't actually useful for _anything_ other than playing*
*games.*

I was using analogies, and yet, what you are seeing is how the iPhone lovers
responded in their increasing desperation to defend the clearly crippled
nature of the lack of graphical wifi and cellular debugging tools on iOS
which are on all other operating systems _except_ iOS.

The fact remains that to own an iPhone is to own a crippled handheld device.
Only on iOS are graphical wifi & cellular debuggers not available to all.

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Subject: Re: Is there an iOS app similar to the Android WiFi Analyzer app?
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 by: Jolly Roger - Sun, 29 Aug 2021 22:42 UTC

On 2021-08-29, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <ip2ansF67saU2@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2021-08-28, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>> > OBD-II is interesting because the low-cost OBD-II dongles are
>> > Bluetooth-only and use the SPP (Serial Port Profile) which iOS does not
>> > support.
>>
>> Bullshit. Is $19.99 considered "expensive" in your world? Because here
>> on planet Earth, that's how much I paid for my Carista OBDII adapter
>> which uses Bluetooth LE, and it works fine with iPhones - and has for
>> years.
>
> in another post, sms claims he paid $30 for his adapter, which is not
> 'low-cost'.
>
> i paid around $10 for a noname adapter which works without issue using
> numerous obd apps.
>
>> You dipshit Apple trolls are full of shit, as usual. Get a life.
>
> trolling *is* their life

Which is fucking *pathetic*. I can't imagine how sad and empty my life
would have to be that I would get any sort of pleasure or satisfaction
out of spending gobs of my time actively going to newsgroups for
products I dislike for the sole purpose of antagonizing complete
strangers just because they use those products. That strikes me as the
exact same asshole mentality of the anti-vaccers and anti-maskers you
see going around and harassing complete strangers and hospital and
minimum wage workers just for being productive and helpful members of
society.

> one of the better ones is that room lights need to be turned on just to
> get face id to work. that's truly fucked up.

Lies and hate are all they have. They have no place in society.

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From: Ancient-of-Days@Heaven.Net (Robin Goodfellow)
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Subject: Re: Is there an iOS app similar to the Android WiFi Analyzer app?
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 by: Robin Goodfellow - Sun, 29 Aug 2021 23:09 UTC

Robin Goodfellow <Ancient-of-Days@Heaven.Net> asked
> The fact remains that to own an iPhone is to own a crippled handheld device.
> Only on iOS are graphical wifi & cellular debuggers not available to all.

Note that it's _not_ just the lack of graphical wifi & cellular debugging
that the crippled iOS operating system lacks compared to _all_ others OSs.

Only iOS lacks the Tor Browser (the "Onion Browser" is _not_ secure!) while
again (as is commonly the case), _all_ other operating systems have it.

Only iOS lacks a FOSS system-wide firewall such as NetGuard for Android and
many others for Windows, Linux, and macOS.

There are so many functionalities on Android _not_ on iOS that it would make
your head spin, such as launchers, call recorders, youtube clones, gps
spoofers, alternate repositories, no need for an account, APKs work on
almost all devices, etc., that to not know these facts is to not know...

To own an iPhone is to own a crippled handheld device (it can play games).

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 by: Robin Goodfellow - Sun, 29 Aug 2021 23:15 UTC

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> asked
> Which is fucking *pathetic*. I can't imagine how sad and empty my life
> would have to be that I would get any sort of pleasure or satisfaction
> out of spending gobs of my time actively going to newsgroups for
> products I dislike for the sole purpose of antagonizing complete
> strangers just because they use those products.

The more you know about iOS & android, the more you know the facts
iOS is a crippled operating system that is wonderful for the ignorati.

> That strikes me as the
> exact same asshole mentality of the anti-vaccers and anti-maskers you
> see going around and harassing complete strangers and hospital and
> minimum wage workers just for being productive and helpful members of
> society.

The more well educated people know about these mRNA & mAdenovirus vaccines,
compared with the fact that more than half the covid infected people have no
symptoms, coupled with the damages and danger to a tiny percent of the
overall population but that danger suddenly multiplies to a hugely important
fatal ~4% at 65 & over, doubling at 75 or over and doubling yet again at 85
or over... and is even worse for the immunocompromised, obese, cardiac
compromised, diabetic, etc., community...

The more you know... the _less_ you would tell someone else what to do
(since the math is all in the probabilities and hence is immensely complex).

It seems to only be the people who know _nothing_ who are telling others
whether or not to vax or whether or not to mask - which is typical.

The less these people know, the more sure they are of their opinions.

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 by: nospam - Sun, 29 Aug 2021 23:21 UTC

In article <sgh4ev$1ti$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Robin Goodfellow
<Ancient-of-Days@Heaven.Net> wrote:

>
> The less these people know, the more sure they are of their opinions.

look no further than yourself for proof.

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 by: Jeff Liebermann - Mon, 30 Aug 2021 00:01 UTC

On 29 Aug 2021 21:05:31 GMT, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

>On 2021-08-29, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>> On 8/28/2021 5:46 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>> On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 12:26:03 -0700, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> OBD-II is interesting because the low-cost OBD-II dongles are
>>>> Bluetooth-only and use the SPP (Serial Port Profile) which iOS does not
>>>> support.
>>>
>>> Worse. Most of the OBD-II wireless dongles use cloned (counterfeit)
>>> ELM327 chips, which may or may not support various features. There
>>> are apps that will test for which features are available. For
>>> example:
>>> I've ordered OBD-II readers on eBay that were advertised to be 2.3
>>> compatible, that turned out to be an older version.
>>
>> I had some cheap ones that had difficulty connecting sometimes, but
>> then they worked okay after that. The one I use now, the "Carista" was
>> $30

>Then you paid too much. I got mine on Amazon for $19.99.

When? There's one currently selling on eBay for $19.98 shipped from
China but the rest are $30 and up (including shipping and no sales tax
at the time). My guess(tm) is about 4 to 6 years ago:
<https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=carista+obd2>

Carista currently sells theirs on their web site for $29.99 plus
$50/year if you want to use their app.
<https://caristaapp.com/pricing>
There's probably some charge for shipping and sales tax.

I couldn't find it on Amazon:
<https://www.amazon.com/s?k=carista+obd2>

I'm using a Konnwei KW902 OBD-II adapter. I don't recall what I paid
for it on eBay but I think it was about $20 including shipping with no
sales tax at the time:
<https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=Konnwei+KW902>
However, there are problems. The ELM327 chip is v1.5 instead of the
current v2.3 and it's BT 3.0. It's not BTLE compatible. It works
with everything I've tried that doesn't require later versions of the
ELM327 firmware or Bluetooth. Torque Pro works fine in my 2001 Subaru
Forester on my Moto G Power (2020) Android phone. The best feature is
that it has an on-off push button so it can be left plugged in and not
run the car battery down. It also turns itself off after 30 min. I
had previously purchased a variety of other cheap ELM327 devices, all
of which had problems that made them useless. Caveat emptor.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

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 by: Jim Whitby - Mon, 30 Aug 2021 00:38 UTC

On Sun, 29 Aug 2021 18:22:28 -0400, nospam wrote:

> In article <nnd$008998e8$727a29bd@40e367d97e3319e7>, Jim Whitby
> <news@spockmail.net> wrote:
>
>
>> >> How do you think every phone (Android, Windows, ios, linux, etc) is
>> >> connected to a vehicle? Magic? USB? WiFi? or ???
>> >
>> > I mean, he literally said "Bluetooth" multiple times above. Are you
>> > blind or something?
>>
>> It appears I can see better than you. I was asking how if not
>> bluetooth,
>> how? Then he claimed apple was the only one that could do it.
>>
>> Or maybe you missed the "android can't do that".
>
> or maybe you failed to understand everything i said.

Wow. you go on and on about Bluetooth being able to do all this fancy
stuff, then claim it can't be done on Android.

How can you be so ignorant? Bluetooth works the same on Android, Windows
or any other phone os you can name.
Foreground, background whatever.

Enuf of this. I'm not replying to any more.

wow. You really don'ty know what you sais , do you?
You go on and on about Bluetooth and how it can be used in the
background , blah, blah. and that Android can't do that.

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 by: Jeff Liebermann - Mon, 30 Aug 2021 01:01 UTC

On Sun, 29 Aug 2021 21:57:45 +0000, Robin Goodfellow
<Ancient-of-Days@Heaven.Net> wrote:

>Why is it _only_ iOS that is crippled (but not any other operating system)?
>I don't know why.

For a long time, the only Apple approved utility suitable of analyzing
WiFi was the Apple Airport Utility app:
<https://apps.apple.com/us/app/airport-utility/id427276530>
Note the 3.0 out of 5 rating. One theory is that by forcing iPhone
users to use the Airport Utility for everything WiFi, Apple can turn
it into an effective sales tool for the now defunct Airport base
stations.

Click on "Version History" on the above page. The last update was Oct
2019, so the app isn't quite ready for burial. However, it's
interesting that there were several firmware updates that coincided
with IOS updates, suggesting compatibility problems between the iPhone
and the various Airports. I was marginally involved in one of those,
where early iPhones and would fail to connect or stay connected to
non-Airport wireless routers. Apple was contacted and refused to fix
what they perceived was everyone else's problem. So, there was a
flurry of router firmware updates to fix the timing problems Apple had
introduced. I don't have all the dates and details handy and really
don't want to spend the time getting involved in yet another endless
debate.

Meanwhile, Apple seems to have relented a little on allowing WiFi
Analyzer type programs. For example:
<https://apps.apple.com/us/app/network-analyzer-pro/id557405467>
<https://apps.apple.com/us/app/network-analyzer/id562315041>
There are others.

I burned about 30 minutes looking through other network tools on the
App Store (because I don't do much work on Apple products and am very
out of date as to what apps are available). I couldn't find anything
that offered access to Layer 2 (MAC layer) data as would be needed to
do network hardware analysis. There are plenty of Layer 3 (IP layer)
tools such as ping, traceroute, and other basics, but these are
trivial compared to what is available for Android, Windoze, MacOS and
of course, Linux.

For example, Network Signal Info Pro will display most everything I
need to untangle cellular provisioning errors and display what the
WiFi chip is doing:
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.android.telnet2&hl=en_US&gl=US>

LTE Discovery will show far more than I want to know about the
available LTE sites and services including 5G sites:
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.simplyadvanced.ltediscovery&hl=en_US&gl=US>

Cellular-Z will display quite a bit about the connected cell sites and
WiFi routers:
<https://play.google.com/store/search?q=cellular-z&c=apps&hl=en_US&gl=US>

Apple has a long way to go before I consider an iPhone or iPad as a
serious tool for network troubleshooting.

Drivel: I spent half of Saturday and half of today moving and
stacking 1/2 cord of firewood to my house. Monday and Tuesday will be
more of the same. If there are any questions, it may be a few days
before I recover. Right now, my right side aches. Tomorrow, I'm
certain the other 1/2 will also ache.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

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 by: Jeff Liebermann - Mon, 30 Aug 2021 01:29 UTC

On Sun, 29 Aug 2021 21:52:00 -0000 (UTC), Lewis
<g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

>In message <sgf1rs$h8v$1@gioia.aioe.org> John <john@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> On Sun, 29 Aug 2021 14:45:03 +1200, Your Name wrote:
>>> And yet another cross-posting brainless anti-Apple moron troll meets
>>> the killfile.
>
>> Jeff Liebermann knows more about radio setup than almost anyone here.
>> Certainly he knows more about electronics than you ever will know.
>> You're the moron, YourName, for not recognizing people who know their
>> shit.

>Well, he knows nothing about OBD2 and iOS if he's claiming it doesn't
>work better on iOS than on Android, that's for sure.

Are you sure I wrote that? That would be a difficult claim for me to
make. The last iPhone I owned was an iPhone 3G. The last iPad was an
iPad 2. I never tried using either with any OBD-II BT device,
including those owned by customers. Mostly, I've used various OBD-II
BT devices on a variety of Android, Windoze, ChromeOS, and Linux
computahs. I will confess that I did help a friend reset his engine
warning light and record the codes using his iPhone 4 and one of my
OBD-II dongles. However, that was so long ago that I don't recall if
I had any problems or if I was successful. Probably successful
because I tend to remember the problems and forget the successes.

Also, if I had claimed that something "works better", I would have
provided comparisons, details, and examples. I always do that.

Incidentally, I consider iPhones and Android phones to be rather
similar at the user level. Perhaps as much as 90% similar if I don't
explore the architecture and details. Apple and Google have been
borrowing each other's ideas for a long time. As evidence, I've
noticed that it's not very difficult for an iPhone user to quickly
learn how to use an Android phone. The reverse is also true. The
only thing that's really different are the names of the various
functions and how deeply Apple and Google bury them in their menu
systems. Extra credit to vendors, such as Sumsung, that add
proprietary enhancements to help lock in their customers who don't
want to learning too much that's new.

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 by: sms - Mon, 30 Aug 2021 03:17 UTC

On 8/29/2021 12:49 PM, Jim Whitby wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Aug 2021 15:19:57 -0400, nospam wrote:
> <snip>
>
>> what i'm specifically referring to are apps that automatically connect
>> and communicate with bluetooth devices entirely in the background, in
>> particular, without the user needing to separately launch an app at all.
>> this isn't specific to obd either.
>>
>> the moment the bluetooth device comes within range of the user's iphone,
>> ios will automatically auto-launch the app directly into the background
>> if needed with no user interaction whatsoever, at which point the app
>> starts doing whatever the app was designed to do.
>>
>> this happens regardless of when the app was last launched, even if the
>> phone has been rebooted.
>>
>> android can't do that.
>
> I almost feel sorry for you. I'm not sure if its just plain ignorance or
> "Don't confuse me with facts, my minds made up."
>
> How do you think every phone (Android, Windows, ios, linux, etc) is
> connected to a vehicle? Magic? USB? WiFi? or ???

Obviously he is not familiar with Android devices, and believes that
something that Android devices have done for years, automatically
launching an app when if connects to Bluetooth.
>
> Give me a mailing address, I'll send you some info about electronics.

It would be very expensive to ship all the materials necessary, and he
would be unlikely to understand any of it anywat.

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 by: Jolly Roger - Mon, 30 Aug 2021 04:25 UTC

On 2021-08-30, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
> On 29 Aug 2021 21:05:31 GMT, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>>On 2021-08-29, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>>> On 8/28/2021 5:46 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 12:26:03 -0700, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> OBD-II is interesting because the low-cost OBD-II dongles are
>>>>> Bluetooth-only and use the SPP (Serial Port Profile) which iOS does not
>>>>> support.
>>>>
>>>> Worse. Most of the OBD-II wireless dongles use cloned (counterfeit)
>>>> ELM327 chips, which may or may not support various features. There
>>>> are apps that will test for which features are available. For
>>>> example:
>>>> I've ordered OBD-II readers on eBay that were advertised to be 2.3
>>>> compatible, that turned out to be an older version.
>>>
>>> I had some cheap ones that had difficulty connecting sometimes, but
>>> then they worked okay after that. The one I use now, the "Carista" was
>>> $30
>
>>Then you paid too much. I got mine on Amazon for $19.99.
>
> When?

A few years ago, IIRC - not that it's really relevant.

--
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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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 by: Robin Goodfellow - Mon, 30 Aug 2021 04:34 UTC

Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> asked
> When? There's one currently selling on eBay for $19.98 shipped from
> China but the rest are $30 and up (including shipping and no sales tax
> at the time). My guess(tm) is about 4 to 6 years ago:

Jeff,
You don't appear to know these Apple zealot cultists like Jolly Roger,
Everything they claim is fabricated.

They can't ever back up even a single claim they brazenly make.

Why?
I'm not sure why.

It seems they're desperate to defend the religious belief systems Apple
advertising inculcated into their brains, sans a single actual fact.

They are like trying to understand why a flat earther is what he is.
They only believe what Tim Cooks tells them to believe on the Apple site.

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 by: Jerry - Mon, 30 Aug 2021 04:39 UTC

On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 23:42:17 -0700, sms wrote:
> I'm sure that Jeff will be devastated to find that one of our favorite
> trolls has insulted and kill-filed him--NOT.

This YourName idiot is one of those Apple weirdos?

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 by: nospam - Mon, 30 Aug 2021 04:43 UTC

In article <v95oig13dmuhptfq4rhcdkd62fid8gh1an@4ax.com>, Jeff
Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:

> I'm using a Konnwei KW902 OBD-II adapter. I don't recall what I paid
> for it on eBay but I think it was about $20 including shipping with no
> sales tax at the time:
> <https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=Konnwei+KW902>
> However, there are problems. The ELM327 chip is v1.5 instead of the
> current v2.3 and it's BT 3.0. It's not BTLE compatible.

that was not a very good deal, and without btle, it's very outdated.

> It works
> with everything I've tried that doesn't require later versions of the
> ELM327 firmware or Bluetooth. Torque Pro works fine in my 2001 Subaru
> Forester on my Moto G Power (2020) Android phone. The best feature is
> that it has an on-off push button so it can be left plugged in and not
> run the car battery down. It also turns itself off after 30 min.

if it turns itself off after 30 minutes, then there's no need for a
button (plus it's very inconvenient to use) and the quiescent draw is
negligible and not normally an issue either.

> I had previously purchased a variety of other cheap ELM327 devices, all
> of which had problems that made them useless. Caveat emptor.

i bought an obd adapter with btle for $10 a few years ago. it works
great without any issues. no idea who made it. they're fairly generic
although some are definitely junk.

there are more advanced obd adapters and apps available, for those who
want additional features.

i also have several other obd adapters. one in particular is a custom
obd device used for a very specific purpose, with custom software.

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 by: nospam - Mon, 30 Aug 2021 04:43 UTC

In article <nnd$3f74beba$3e3e6013@afef4614725a07ac>, Jim Whitby
<news@spockmail.net> wrote:

> >> >> How do you think every phone (Android, Windows, ios, linux, etc) is
> >> >> connected to a vehicle? Magic? USB? WiFi? or ???
> >> >
> >> > I mean, he literally said "Bluetooth" multiple times above. Are you
> >> > blind or something?
> >>
> >> It appears I can see better than you. I was asking how if not
> >> bluetooth,
> >> how? Then he claimed apple was the only one that could do it.
> >>
> >> Or maybe you missed the "android can't do that".
> >
> > or maybe you failed to understand everything i said.
>
> Wow. you go on and on about Bluetooth being able to do all this fancy
> stuff, then claim it can't be done on Android.

correct. what i described can't be done on android. btdt.

it helps to have actually written mobile apps that use bluetooth to
know what is possible and what is not. you clearly have not.

> How can you be so ignorant? Bluetooth works the same on Android, Windows
> or any other phone os you can name.
> Foreground, background whatever.

nope. that is absolutely false.

maybe if all you do is pair headphones or a mouse, you won't notice
much of a difference between platforms, except maybe how fast it links,
which is part of the differences i'm talking about.

what you fail to understand is that there's much, much more to
bluetooth than just simple stuff like that. again, i've written mobile
apps that push bluetooth to its limits.

> Enuf of this. I'm not replying to any more.

wise choice, because you're in *way* over your head and digging a
deeper hole with every word.

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 by: nospam - Mon, 30 Aug 2021 04:43 UTC

In article <c48oigdvup2r8veimfhv4f9eucu76qhpks@4ax.com>, Jeff
Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:

> One theory is that by forcing iPhone
> users to use the Airport Utility for everything WiFi, Apple can turn
> it into an effective sales tool for the now defunct Airport base
> stations.

that's not a very good theory. quite bad, in fact.

> Click on "Version History" on the above page. The last update was Oct
> 2019, so the app isn't quite ready for burial. However, it's
> interesting that there were several firmware updates that coincided
> with IOS updates, suggesting compatibility problems between the iPhone
> and the various Airports.

two different tracks by two different groups within apple.

> I was marginally involved in one of those,
> where early iPhones and would fail to connect or stay connected to
> non-Airport wireless routers. Apple was contacted and refused to fix
> what they perceived was everyone else's problem.

very marginally, since there i can't think of any issue with early
iphones and non-apple routers, something which would be *very*
widespread if it existed.

i still have my old iphones and various routers so any specifics would
be of interest.

i do recall a minor issue with the original ipad with only *some* wifi
networks, which turned out to be a configuration issue of the affected
wifi networks. the ipads worked normally just about everywhere else.

> So, there was a
> flurry of router firmware updates to fix the timing problems Apple had
> introduced. I don't have all the dates and details handy and really
> don't want to spend the time getting involved in yet another endless
> debate.

wise choice.

> I burned about 30 minutes looking through other network tools on the
> App Store (because I don't do much work on Apple products and am very
> out of date as to what apps are available).

then don't pretend to know more about apple products than those who
actually use apple products every day and have for many years.

in another post, you said the last iphone you had was *thirteen*
*years* *ago, with an iphone 3g. a *lot* has changed since then. there
is almost nothing about an iphone 3g that is relevant anymore.

stick to networking and radios.

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 by: nospam - Mon, 30 Aug 2021 04:43 UTC

In article <sghil5$p0a$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

>
> Obviously he is not familiar with Android devices, and believes that
> something that Android devices have done for years, automatically
> launching an app when if connects to Bluetooth.

they don't, except in very limited circumstances. btdt. as usual, you
are wrong.

bluetooth is one of many things that ios does better than android. it's
just how it is. i've written apps that use bluetooth and am *very*
familiar with what's possible and what's not, on both platforms.

there are also some things that android does better than ios. however,
bluetooth ain't one of them.

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 by: Ilya Kraskov - Mon, 30 Aug 2021 04:45 UTC

On 29.8.2021 14:01, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> Yet Jeff apparently doesn't know that Bluetooth OBDII adapters (like the
> Carista OBD2 adapter I have) work just fine with iPhones, and have for
> many years, because he chimed right in to post a lame joke in agreement
> with incorrect claims that they don't exist from another troll. Yes,
> clearly he "knows more than just about anyone here"...\s

Jeff knows more electronics than fifty of you Jolly Rogers' will ever know.
He has a self deprecating sense of wit, much like Paul on the Windows ng.

All you Apple idiots are so stupid you can't believe that it's only you five
or six morons who believe only what Apple posts on the Apple web site.

You lied to Jeff and you expected to get away with it because you think
everyone is as stupid as you five or six Apple morons are.
--
Doveryay, no proveryay.

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 by: Robin Goodfellow - Mon, 30 Aug 2021 04:54 UTC

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> asked
>> The less these people know, the more sure they are of their opinions.
>
> look no further than yourself for proof.

You're desperate to defend the crippled iOS using always the _same_ tricks.

We see nospam following the predictable path in increasing desperation...
1. First claim he told the user already many times (even as it's
impossible).
2. When that fails, claim imaginary functionality on the Apple App Store.
3. When that fails, say everyone else made Apple remove basic functionality
4. When that fails, say it's not Apple's fault - it's the developers' fault.
5. When that fails, say you should write all the app functionality yourself.
6. When that fails, accuse everyone of being stupid who isn't a developer.
7. When that fails, resort to an infinity of "ftfy" & ad hominem attacks.

All this because he _hates_ *to own an iPhone is to own a crippled device*.

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 by: knuttle - Mon, 30 Aug 2021 05:02 UTC

On 8/29/2021 11:42 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> I'll try to be more "ordinary" in future, but don't count on it.

In the definition of nospam, Lewis, Jolly Roger and Joerg Lorenz, you must
only play games on your phone. You must not debug anything. No utilities.

Since they can't do it on an iPhone, you have no right to do it on Android.

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 by: Robin Goodfellow - Mon, 30 Aug 2021 05:06 UTC

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> asked
> bluetooth is one of many things that ios does better than android.

And yet you've never found even _one_ app functionality on iOS that wasn't
already on Android, even as there is _plenty_ of Android app functionality
not on iOS (such as foss automatic call recording, foss graphical wifi
debugging, the real tor browser bundle security, foss system wide firewalls,
choice of foss app launchers, etc.).

The reason Apple devices are crippled is only one reason.
Apple cripples them.

It's not the hardware (although Apple removes most of the basic hardware).
It's not even the operating system per se (although it has holes galore).

The reason Apple iOS devices are crippled compared to Android is simple.
Apple limits the functionality of iOS devices while Google can't.

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 by: wolfgang kern - Mon, 30 Aug 2021 05:17 UTC

On 30.08.2021 01:01, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> Apple was contacted and refused to fix
> what they perceived was everyone else's problem. So, there was a
> flurry of router firmware updates to fix the timing problems Apple had
> introduced.

Same thing happened when Apple screwed up all Linux connections to iOS.
That was sometime around iOS 7.0.1 as I recall (not gonna look it up as the
iOS bigots will just deny what everyone else but them already knows).

Apple fucked with the API and then claimed it was Linux' problem.
Why?
Because Apple doesn't give a fuck about Linux.
So Apple broke connectivity of Linux to iOS without even testing it once.

*The Apple operating systems _never_ actually work in the real world.*

Luckily, after a flurry of activity, the Linux folks fixed Apple's shit.
The result was again Linux is more functional with the iPad than iTunes.

Native Ubuntu has read/write/delete access to iOS file system.
It treats the iOS device as a read/write/delete USB stick.

Apple probably hates that people have that kind of functionality though.

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 by: Robin Goodfellow - Mon, 30 Aug 2021 05:23 UTC

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> asked
> then don't pretend to know more about apple products than those who
> actually use apple products every day and have for many years.

You don't know anything about iPhones, nospam.

*You fabricate imaginary iOS functionality all the time, nospam.*

Where's the real torproject tor browser you keep claiming exists, nospam?
Where are the wifi graphical debuggers you keep claiming exist, nospam?
Where are the encryption container tools you keep claiming exist, nospam?
Where are the automatic call recorder tools you keep claiming exist, nospam?
Where are the system wide foss firewalls you keep claiming exist, nospam?
Where are the fake gps spoofing apps you keep claiming work, nospam?
Where are the true ad free youtube clones you keep claiming work, nospam?
Where are the historical IPA backup tools you keep fabricating, nospam?

Why do you incessantly prove to not even have a clue about how iOS works?
I don't know why.

I suspect you get everything you know about iPhones from Apple's web site.

Re: Is there an iOS app similar to the Android WiFi Analyzer app?

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In article <sghpkt$1tkd$1@gioia.aioe.org>, wolfgang kern
<nowhere@nospicedham.never.at> wrote:

> Same thing happened when Apple screwed up all Linux connections to iOS.
> That was sometime around iOS 7.0.1 as I recall (not gonna look it up as the
> iOS bigots will just deny what everyone else but them already knows).

yet another arlen nym.

linux support was done by the linux community, not apple.

when apple made a change, the linux community had to update their
driver, which they did, just as what happens with any product that has
aftermarket support.

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