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* uefi malware--threat to all?pH
+- Re: uefi malware--threat to all?Richard Kettlewell
+* Re: uefi malware--threat to all?Marco Moock
|`* Re: uefi malware--threat to all?pH
| +- Re: uefi malware--threat to all?28B.I874
| +* Re: uefi malware--threat to all?Bobbie Sellers
| |+- Re: uefi malware--threat to all?28B.I874
| |+* Re: uefi malware--threat to all?Marco Moock
| ||`* Re: uefi malware--threat to all?Bobbie Sellers
| || +- Re: uefi malware--threat to all?The Natural Philosopher
| || `* Re: uefi malware--threat to all?Marco Moock
| ||  `* Re: uefi malware--threat to all?Bobbie Sellers
| ||   `* Re: uefi malware--threat to all?28B.A864
| ||    `* Re: uefi malware--threat to all?The Natural Philosopher
| ||     `* Re: uefi malware--threat to all?TJ
| ||      +* Re: uefi malware--threat to all?Marco Moock
| ||      |+* Re: uefi malware--threat to all?Robert Heller
| ||      ||+* Re: uefi malware--threat to all?29V.X746
| ||      |||`* Re: uefi malware--threat to all?Carlos E.R.
| ||      ||| `* Re: uefi malware--threat to all?The Natural Philosopher
| ||      |||  +- Re: uefi malware--threat to all?Dan Espen
| ||      |||  +* Re: uefi malware--threat to all?Carlos E.R.
| ||      |||  |+- Re: uefi malware--threat to all?29V.X746
| ||      |||  |`- Re: uefi malware--threat to all?The Natural Philosopher
| ||      |||  +- Re: uefi malware--threat to all?29V.X746
| ||      |||  `* Re: uefi malware--threat to all?Robert Riches
| ||      |||   +* Re: uefi malware--threat to all?29V.X746
| ||      |||   |+- Re: uefi malware--threat to all?Carlos E.R.
| ||      |||   |+* Re: uefi malware--threat to all?Bobbie Sellers
| ||      |||   ||`- Re: uefi malware--threat to all?29V.X746
| ||      |||   |`- Re: uefi malware--threat to all?Robert Riches
| ||      |||   `* Re: uefi malware--threat to all?The Natural Philosopher
| ||      |||    `- Re: uefi malware--threat to all?29V.X746
| ||      ||+- Re: uefi malware--threat to all?The Natural Philosopher
| ||      ||`- Re: uefi malware--threat to all?TJ
| ||      |+- Re: uefi malware--threat to all?The Natural Philosopher
| ||      |`- Re: uefi malware--threat to all?TJ
| ||      +* Re: uefi malware--threat to all?Carlos E.R.
| ||      |`* Re: uefi malware--threat to all?TJ
| ||      | `- Re: uefi malware--threat to all?Carlos E.R.
| ||      +- Re: uefi malware--threat to all?The Natural Philosopher
| ||      `* Re: uefi malware--threat to all?Roger Blake
| ||       +* Re: uefi malware--threat to all?29V.X746
| ||       |+* Re: uefi malware--threat to all?Richard Kettlewell
| ||       ||`- Re: uefi malware--threat to all?Carlos E.R.
| ||       |+- Re: uefi malware--threat to all?Carlos E.R.
| ||       |`* Re: uefi malware--threat to all?TJ
| ||       | `* Re: uefi malware--threat to all?Robert Heller
| ||       |  `* Re: uefi malware--threat to all?TJ
| ||       |   `* Re: uefi malware--threat to all?Robert Heller
| ||       |    `* Re: uefi malware--threat to all?Fritz Wuehler
| ||       |     `* Re: uefi malware--threat to all?jeshgrca
| ||       |      `* Re: uefi malware--threat to all?Fritz Wuehler
| ||       |       `* Re: uefi malware--threat to all?27E.G756
| ||       |        `* Re: uefi malware--threat to all?Carlos E.R.
| ||       |         +* Re: uefi malware--threat to all?27E.G756
| ||       |         |`* Re: uefi malware--threat to all?Carlos E.R.
| ||       |         | `- Re: uefi malware--threat to all?27E.G756
| ||       |         `* Re: uefi malware--threat to all?Charlie Gibbs
| ||       |          `- Re: uefi malware--threat to all?27E.G756
| ||       +- Re: uefi malware--threat to all?Marco Moock
| ||       +* Re: uefi malware--threat to all?TJ
| ||       |`* Re: uefi malware--threat to all?Carlos E.R.
| ||       | `* Re: uefi malware--threat to all?Charlie Gibbs
| ||       |  `* Re: uefi malware--threat to all?Carlos E.R.
| ||       |   `* Re: uefi malware--threat to all?27E.G756
| ||       |    `* Re: uefi malware--threat to all?Carlos E.R.
| ||       |     `* Re: uefi malware--threat to all?27E.G756
| ||       |      `* Re: uefi malware--threat to all?Computer Nerd Kev
| ||       |       `- Re: uefi malware--threat to all?22T.R732
| ||       `- Re: uefi malware--threat to all?TJ
| |`* Re: uefi malware--threat to all?Carlos E.R.
| | +* Re: uefi malware--threat to all?David W. Hodgins
| | |`* Re: uefi malware--threat to all?Marco Moock
| | | `- Re: uefi malware--threat to all?David W. Hodgins
| | `* Re: uefi malware--threat to all?Marco Moock
| |  `* Re: uefi malware--threat to all?28B.I874
| |   +* Re: uefi malware--threat to all?David W. Hodgins
| |   |`* Re: uefi malware--threat to all?28B.I874
| |   | `* Re: uefi malware--threat to all?David W. Hodgins
| |   |  `- Re: uefi malware--threat to all?28C.I874
| |   +* Re: uefi malware--threat to all?The Natural Philosopher
| |   |`* Re: uefi malware--threat to all?Richard Kettlewell
| |   | `* Re: uefi malware--threat to all?The Natural Philosopher
| |   |  `* Re: uefi malware--threat to all?Richard Kettlewell
| |   |   +- Re: uefi malware--threat to all?Robert Heller
| |   |   +- Re: uefi malware--threat to all?Rich
| |   |   +- Re: uefi malware--threat to all?The Natural Philosopher
| |   |   `* Re: uefi malware--threat to all?The Natural Philosopher
| |   |    `* Re: uefi malware--threat to all?Carlos E.R.
| |   |     `- Re: uefi malware--threat to all?Robert Heller
| |   `- Re: uefi malware--threat to all?Marco Moock
| `- Re: uefi malware--threat to all?Marco Moock
`* Re: uefi malware--threat to all?Andrei Z.
 `* Re: uefi malware--threat to all?pH
  +* Re: uefi malware--threat to all?David W. Hodgins
  |`- Re: uefi malware--threat to all?Marco Moock
  +- Re: uefi malware--threat to all?The Natural Philosopher
  `* Re: uefi malware--threat to all?Bobbie Sellers
   `* Re: uefi malware--threat to all?Carlos E.R.
    +- Re: uefi malware--threat to all?The Natural Philosopher
    `* Re: uefi malware--threat to all?Marco Moock

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Re: uefi malware--threat to all?

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 by: Marco Moock - Tue, 21 Mar 2023 07:49 UTC

Am 07.03.2023 um 21:39:38 Uhr schrieb 28B.I874:

> On 3/7/23 1:09 PM, Marco Moock wrote:
> > Am 07.03.2023 um 09:07:59 Uhr schrieb Carlos E.R.:
> >
> >> I only heard some histories, long ago, of some vendors, not
> >> Microsoft, selling machines with incorrect firmware that would not
> >> allow different installs.
> >>
> >> Same as there are (were?) motherboards that are designed
> >> incompatible with Linux.
> >
> > Acer and Medion were candidates where GNU/Linux installation with
> > LILO/GRUB was difficult, but still possible.
>
> Note that if it's difficult ENOUGH then Linux/UNIX gets
> relegated to a crusty few - of no interest to anyone
> else, not used by anyone else either. It becomes a
> "hobby" OS only, no relevance in the world.

Wrong, the relevante gained up in the past, the absolute number of
GNU/Linux installations raised.

> Development pretty much ends.

Wrong, and MS is also part of it.

> Yea, yea, IBM will have it's own Linux/UNIX-ish OS for
> their big hardware - but YOU ain't gonna be buying those
> mainframes.

AIX is on the way down - more and more machines were replaced with
normal hardware and other GNU/Linux OS instead of IBM's AIX.

At our university, we have an old AIX machine - but it will replaced
soon.
The people who know how to operate AIX are also mostly pensioners.
New employees don't get education in how to operate it.

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 by: Richard Kettlewell - Tue, 21 Mar 2023 09:00 UTC

"29V.X746" <29V.X746@noqb1u.net> writes:
> On 3/20/23 10:03 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
>> On 2023-03-16, TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> wrote:
>>> Adobe Reader DC, for use with New York State income tax
>>> forms. Nothing else, I mean NOTHING, even other Windows pdf readers,
>>> will do for them.
>> Will an earlier version of the Adobe reader work? Adobe Reader 9
>> will
>> run natively on Linux. (I have it installed on Mint 21.)
>
> "Reader" really isn't for EDITING though ... just for "looking".
>
> If you have a clever lawyer, a profitable case MIGHT be made
> over the Govt requiring an expensive proprietary bit of software
> to complete it's vital forms ........
>
> It'd be worth just FILING a suit ... it'd make the State nuts
> and really LOOK like bribe-related collusion and class-favoritism
> (po' folks can't AFFORD Adobe-DC).
>
> Editable WEB-BASED forms are more "equitable" - but require
> the State people to DO something .........

It’s the norm in developed countries, AIUI.

Here, in the case of tax filings:

* Income tax is managed automatically for anyone with relatively simple
tax affairs (which AIUI covers about two thirds of income tax
payers).

* For those that do need to submit a tax return, it’s a web form. (I
think you can still use paper if you want.)

I gather that the wretched situation with tax filing in the US is the
result of corporate lobbying.

--
https://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/

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 by: Carlos E.R. - Tue, 21 Mar 2023 10:52 UTC

On 2023-03-21 10:00, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
> "29V.X746" <29V.X746@noqb1u.net> writes:
>> On 3/20/23 10:03 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
>>> On 2023-03-16, TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> wrote:
>>>> Adobe Reader DC, for use with New York State income tax
>>>> forms. Nothing else, I mean NOTHING, even other Windows pdf readers,
>>>> will do for them.
>>> Will an earlier version of the Adobe reader work? Adobe Reader 9
>>> will
>>> run natively on Linux. (I have it installed on Mint 21.)
>>
>> "Reader" really isn't for EDITING though ... just for "looking".
>>
>> If you have a clever lawyer, a profitable case MIGHT be made
>> over the Govt requiring an expensive proprietary bit of software
>> to complete it's vital forms ........
>>
>> It'd be worth just FILING a suit ... it'd make the State nuts
>> and really LOOK like bribe-related collusion and class-favoritism
>> (po' folks can't AFFORD Adobe-DC).
>>
>> Editable WEB-BASED forms are more "equitable" - but require
>> the State people to DO something .........
>
> It’s the norm in developed countries, AIUI.
>
> Here, in the case of tax filings:
>
> * Income tax is managed automatically for anyone with relatively simple
> tax affairs (which AIUI covers about two thirds of income tax
> payers).
>
> * For those that do need to submit a tax return, it’s a web form. (I
> think you can still use paper if you want.)

Here, web form here for the income tax; but some procedures use PDF
forms, and there are(were) some that require(d) adobe reader, or another
reader that supports javascripted forms.

AFAIK, paper is not allowed here for the income tax. BUT, you can ask
for an appointment at the tax office (free of charge) where they help
people to fill and submit it, so that people with no computer can do it.
I'm not sure what happens if you postpone the acceptance to another day
to study at home the printout.

[...]

No, no paper since 2019 or 20.

«You will also be able to file your income tax return from your mobile
phone, via the 1-click app. You will not be able to file your income tax
return on paper. You will only be able to print a preview, which will
not be used for filing.»

Obligación de declarar Renta 2020 - Agencia Tributaria
agenciatributaria.es
https://www.agenciatributaria.es › Renta › Folletos
PDF

>
> I gather that the wretched situation with tax filing in the US is the
> result of corporate lobbying.
>

--
Cheers, Carlos.

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 by: Carlos E.R. - Tue, 21 Mar 2023 10:52 UTC

On 2023-03-21 06:13, 29V.X746 wrote:
> On 3/20/23 10:03 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
>> On 2023-03-16, TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> wrote:
>>> Adobe Reader DC, for use with New York State income tax forms. Nothing
>>> else, I mean NOTHING, even other Windows pdf readers, will do for them.
>>
>> Will an earlier version of the Adobe reader work? Adobe Reader 9 will
>> run natively on Linux. (I have it installed on Mint 21.)
>
>   "Reader" really isn't for EDITING though ... just for "looking".

Huh. Except forms.

Forms are created in different software, that is, edited. But forms are
usually filled on the "reader" software, the software that is "gratis"
and normal people have.

>   If you have a clever lawyer, a profitable case MIGHT be made
>   over the Govt requiring an expensive proprietary bit of software
>   to complete it's vital forms ........

But the reader is gratis. The writer is not required, AFAIK, which is
the one that costs money.

The issue is that it is not fully open, and that it only works on a
single operating system.

>
>   It'd be worth just FILING a suit ... it'd make the State nuts
>   and really LOOK like bribe-related collusion and class-favoritism
>   (po' folks can't AFFORD Adobe-DC).
>
>   Editable WEB-BASED forms are more "equitable" - but require
>   the State people to DO something .........

--
Cheers, Carlos.

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 by: TJ - Tue, 21 Mar 2023 14:22 UTC

On 2023-03-20 22:03, Roger Blake wrote:
> On 2023-03-16, TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> wrote:
>> Adobe Reader DC, for use with New York State income tax forms. Nothing
>> else, I mean NOTHING, even other Windows pdf readers, will do for them.
>
> Will an earlier version of the Adobe reader work? Adobe Reader 9 will
> run natively on Linux. (I have it installed on Mint 21.)
>
Not the way it's designed to work it. When they first came out with
these forms you needed Adobe Reader 10 to be able to save the entries on
these forms. Earlier versions would let you fill the fields in, but you
had to do everything in one session, and print to pdf or use a scanner
to get an electronic copy.

At that time they still had a plain paper form available, but you had to
fill it in manually. I just discovered that the "plain" paper form is
now "fill-in" like the IRS forms, but still doesn't have the extra
features that the other form has. That means that if you file THAT form,
it will go to the bottom of the State's pile for extra scrutiny, which
will be the last they get to, after those that filed online, and after
those that use the fancier paper form, and will delay any refund I might
have coming for several weeks.

This year's refund arrived less than a month after I filed the paper
form. I'm OK with that, even if I had to use Windows.

TJ

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 by: TJ - Tue, 21 Mar 2023 14:30 UTC

On 2023-03-21 01:13, 29V.X746 wrote:
> On 3/20/23 10:03 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
>> On 2023-03-16, TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> wrote:
>>> Adobe Reader DC, for use with New York State income tax forms. Nothing
>>> else, I mean NOTHING, even other Windows pdf readers, will do for them.
>>
>> Will an earlier version of the Adobe reader work? Adobe Reader 9 will
>> run natively on Linux. (I have it installed on Mint 21.)
>
>   "Reader" really isn't for EDITING though ... just for "looking".
>
>   If you have a clever lawyer, a profitable case MIGHT be made
>   over the Govt requiring an expensive proprietary bit of software
>   to complete it's vital forms ........
>
>   It'd be worth just FILING a suit ... it'd make the State nuts
>   and really LOOK like bribe-related collusion and class-favoritism
>   (po' folks can't AFFORD Adobe-DC).
>
>   Editable WEB-BASED forms are more "equitable" - but require
>   the State people to DO something .........

Two very big things wrong with that idea.

I don't do any EDITING, I just fill in some forms, using a completely
FREE version of "Reader."

And, the State of New York isn't REQUIRING that I use a paper form at
all. In fact, they encourage you to file online, for free, making you
jump through several hoops before you get to the download of the paper
form at all.

TJ

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 by: TJ - Tue, 21 Mar 2023 14:46 UTC

On 2023-03-20 22:03, Roger Blake wrote:
> On 2023-03-16, TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> wrote:
>> Adobe Reader DC, for use with New York State income tax forms. Nothing
>> else, I mean NOTHING, even other Windows pdf readers, will do for them.
>
> Will an earlier version of the Adobe reader work? Adobe Reader 9 will
> run natively on Linux. (I have it installed on Mint 21.)
>
I quit using Acroread 9 on Linux many years ago. Too buggy, too many
security holes in such old software. Even Windows 7, as long as I use it
as a VirtualBox guest, is more secure.

I'm using Mageia's "Cauldron" (beta development version of Mageia 9),
and I don't know if that old version of Acroread would even install, nor
do I care to find out.

TJ

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 by: Carlos E.R. - Tue, 21 Mar 2023 14:54 UTC

On 2023-03-21 15:22, TJ wrote:
> On 2023-03-20 22:03, Roger Blake wrote:
>> On 2023-03-16, TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> wrote:
>>> Adobe Reader DC, for use with New York State income tax forms. Nothing
>>> else, I mean NOTHING, even other Windows pdf readers, will do for them.
>>
>> Will an earlier version of the Adobe reader work? Adobe Reader 9 will
>> run natively on Linux. (I have it installed on Mint 21.)
>>
> Not the way it's designed to work it. When they first came out with
> these forms you needed Adobe Reader 10 to be able to save the entries on
> these forms. Earlier versions would let you fill the fields in, but you
> had to do everything in one session, and print to pdf or use a scanner
> to get an electronic copy.
>
> At that time they still had a plain paper form available, but you had to
> fill it in manually. I just discovered that the "plain" paper form is
> now "fill-in" like the IRS forms, but still doesn't have the extra
> features that the other form has. That means that if you file THAT form,
> it will go to the bottom of the State's pile for extra scrutiny, which
> will be the last they get to, after those that filed online, and after
> those that use the fancier paper form, and will delay any refund I might
> have coming for several weeks.
>
> This year's refund arrived less than a month after I filed the paper
> form. I'm OK with that, even if I had to use Windows.

"Maybe" it works on Android :-?

--
Cheers, Carlos.

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 by: Robert Heller - Tue, 21 Mar 2023 15:43 UTC

At Tue, 21 Mar 2023 10:30:05 -0400 TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> wrote:

>
> On 2023-03-21 01:13, 29V.X746 wrote:
> > On 3/20/23 10:03 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
> >> On 2023-03-16, TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> wrote:
> >>> Adobe Reader DC, for use with New York State income tax forms. Nothing
> >>> else, I mean NOTHING, even other Windows pdf readers, will do for them.
> >>
> >> Will an earlier version of the Adobe reader work? Adobe Reader 9 will
> >> run natively on Linux. (I have it installed on Mint 21.)
> >
> >   "Reader" really isn't for EDITING though ... just for "looking".
> >
> >   If you have a clever lawyer, a profitable case MIGHT be made
> >   over the Govt requiring an expensive proprietary bit of software
> >   to complete it's vital forms ........
> >
> >   It'd be worth just FILING a suit ... it'd make the State nuts
> >   and really LOOK like bribe-related collusion and class-favoritism
> >   (po' folks can't AFFORD Adobe-DC).
> >
> >   Editable WEB-BASED forms are more "equitable" - but require
> >   the State people to DO something .........
>
> Two very big things wrong with that idea.
>
> I don't do any EDITING, I just fill in some forms, using a completely
> FREE version of "Reader."
>
> And, the State of New York isn't REQUIRING that I use a paper form at
> all. In fact, they encourage you to file online, for free, making you
> jump through several hoops before you get to the download of the paper
> form at all.

There are some problems with the "file online, for free", at least at the
Federal level: the *IRS* does not actually have a "file online, for free"
option, at least not one where you can file any/all forms directly with the
IRS. One *must* go through a *commercial* third party, which charges you a
fee if you need to file a Schedule C (business income). These commercial
third party tax filing websites are excessively "user friendly" (maybe for
a 3yr old), and I have found them to be *personally* hard to use. *I* would
just want to just fill out the damn form and not have to go through a whole
song and dance series of HTML5 web application pages. So I use Open Tax
Solver, have my own program for dealing with the depreciation form. I think
Mass does have a direct Mass DOR interface to file online, but I am not sure
if the Mass DOR interface includes their version of Schedule C & friends or
not, so since I am filing a paper IRS Schedule C, I just file a paper Mass
form 1, with the IRS Schedule C & friends attached (Mass allows that, since
their Schedule C & friends are virtually the same as the IRS Schedule C &
friends). The IRS does have fill-in forms than evince is happen to deal with,
including saving intermediate version.

>
> TJ
>
>

--
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Deepwoods Software -- Custom Software Services
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 by: TJ - Tue, 21 Mar 2023 16:29 UTC

On 2023-03-21 11:43, Robert Heller wrote:
> There are some problems with the "file online, for free", at least at the
> Federal level: the*IRS* does not actually have a "file online, for free"
> option, at least not one where you can file any/all forms directly with the
> IRS. One*must* go through a*commercial* third party, which charges you a
> fee if you need to file a Schedule C (business income). These commercial
> third party tax filing websites are excessively "user friendly" (maybe for
> a 3yr old), and I have found them to be*personally* hard to use.*I* would
> just want to just fill out the damn form and not have to go through a whole
> song and dance series of HTML5 web application pages. So I use Open Tax
> Solver, have my own program for dealing with the depreciation form. I think
> Mass does have a direct Mass DOR interface to file online, but I am not sure
> if the Mass DOR interface includes their version of Schedule C & friends or
> not, so since I am filing a paper IRS Schedule C, I just file a paper Mass
> form 1, with the IRS Schedule C & friends attached (Mass allows that, since
> their Schedule C & friends are virtually the same as the IRS Schedule C &
> friends). The IRS does have fill-in forms than evince is happen to deal with,
> including saving intermediate version.
>
I'm a farmer, so I file Schedule F rather than C, but it's the same
idea. On top of that, I am in a partnership with my brother, which
requires a 1065 "information form" and a separate Schedule F. And THOSE
forms are not free to file online. Business software that has those
forms is never cheap, either.

Same for the equivalent forms for New York State.

TJ

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 by: Robert Heller - Tue, 21 Mar 2023 17:46 UTC

At Tue, 21 Mar 2023 12:29:24 -0400 TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> wrote:

>
> On 2023-03-21 11:43, Robert Heller wrote:
> > There are some problems with the "file online, for free", at least at the
> > Federal level: the*IRS* does not actually have a "file online, for free"
> > option, at least not one where you can file any/all forms directly with the
> > IRS. One*must* go through a*commercial* third party, which charges you a
> > fee if you need to file a Schedule C (business income). These commercial
> > third party tax filing websites are excessively "user friendly" (maybe for
> > a 3yr old), and I have found them to be*personally* hard to use.*I* would
> > just want to just fill out the damn form and not have to go through a whole
> > song and dance series of HTML5 web application pages. So I use Open Tax
> > Solver, have my own program for dealing with the depreciation form. I think
> > Mass does have a direct Mass DOR interface to file online, but I am not sure
> > if the Mass DOR interface includes their version of Schedule C & friends or
> > not, so since I am filing a paper IRS Schedule C, I just file a paper Mass
> > form 1, with the IRS Schedule C & friends attached (Mass allows that, since
> > their Schedule C & friends are virtually the same as the IRS Schedule C &
> > friends). The IRS does have fill-in forms than evince is happen to deal with,
> > including saving intermediate version.
> >
> I'm a farmer, so I file Schedule F rather than C, but it's the same
> idea. On top of that, I am in a partnership with my brother, which
> requires a 1065 "information form" and a separate Schedule F. And THOSE
> forms are not free to file online. Business software that has those
> forms is never cheap, either.
>
> Same for the equivalent forms for New York State.

Open Tax Solver includes at least the IRS Schedule C. It does not have the IRS
Schedule F, but since Open Tax Solver (https://opentaxsolver.sourceforge.net/)
is FOSS, there is nothing stopping you from contributing the code to implement
IRS Schedule F. The only thing missing from OTS, is handling of form 4562
(Depreciation and Amortization). This is a bit tricky, so I am not sure how to
properly handle it without creating a messy UI. The online filing services use
a horrible HTML5 song and dance (asking about each asset one by one), when I
would really just want to upload a CSV file of assets. I have written a CLI
program in Tcl that processes a CSV file of assets.

>
> TJ
>
>

--
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Deepwoods Software -- Custom Software Services
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 by: Charlie Gibbs - Tue, 21 Mar 2023 18:25 UTC

On 2023-03-21, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

> On 2023-03-21 15:22, TJ wrote:
>
>> This year's refund arrived less than a month after I filed the paper
>> form. I'm OK with that, even if I had to use Windows.
>
> "Maybe" it works on Android :-?

Great - substitute one monopoly for another.

--
/~\ Charlie Gibbs | You can't save the earth
\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | unless you're willing to
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | make other people sacrifice.
/ \ if you read it the right way. | -- Dogbert the green consultant

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 by: Carlos E.R. - Tue, 21 Mar 2023 20:20 UTC

On 2023-03-21 19:25, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2023-03-21, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 2023-03-21 15:22, TJ wrote:
>>
>>> This year's refund arrived less than a month after I filed the paper
>>> form. I'm OK with that, even if I had to use Windows.
>>
>> "Maybe" it works on Android :-?
>
> Great - substitute one monopoly for another.

Sure. But one is gratis and the other isn't. I use phones, and they are
Android, so I already have Android (I'm not going to use iphones). And
can be installed in a virtual machine.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

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 by: Fritz Wuehler - Thu, 23 Mar 2023 22:44 UTC

Robert Heller <hel...@deepsoft.com> [RH]:
RH> The online filing services use a horrible HTML5 song and dance
RH> (asking about each asset one by one), when I would really just want
RH> to upload a CSV file of assets. I have written a CLI program in
RH> Tcl that processes a CSV file of assets.

Here's an alternative route to automate a manual and error-prone procedure
using the iMacros/selenium/Katalon extension for your browser.

- record a filing session, entering just one or two assets

- programmatically update the recorded macro from the CSV file
to handle all your assets, or create a new macro for each asset
(sed (1) is your friend)

- replay the updated macro(s)

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Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-202303.rodent.frell.theremailer.net>
writes:

>
> (sed (1) is your friend)
>

There's an old saying that goes something along the lines of "A
programmer has a problem and thinks "I know! I'll use sed(1)!" Now the
programmer has two problems."

I learned this and many other important lessons from the UNIX-HATERS
Handbook.
--
"If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough."
- Attributed to Albert Einstein

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 by: Fritz Wuehler - Sat, 25 Mar 2023 00:58 UTC

jeshgrca <jeshg...@gmail.com> [j]:
j> "A programmer has a problem and thinks "I know! I'll use sed(1)!" Now
j> the programmer has two problems."

If 'sed' isn't one's cup of tea, there are other similar tools out there
such as 'msrp', 'binmay', or in a pinch 'm4' to choose from.

Replacing a bunch of fixed strings and numbers in a pre-recorded macro
script file isn't exactly rocket science.

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 by: 27E.G756 - Mon, 27 Mar 2023 00:26 UTC

On 3/24/23 8:58 PM, Fritz Wuehler wrote:
> jeshgrca <jeshg...@gmail.com> [j]:
> j> "A programmer has a problem and thinks "I know! I'll use sed(1)!" Now
> j> the programmer has two problems."
>
> If 'sed' isn't one's cup of tea, there are other similar tools out there
> such as 'msrp', 'binmay', or in a pinch 'm4' to choose from.
>
> Replacing a bunch of fixed strings and numbers in a pre-recorded macro
> script file isn't exactly rocket science.

Careful ... I did that to a long script and ONE entry
was "different" - and it erased the box :-)

Yes, that CAN happen ... it was a 'reverse' of "rsync --delete"
and finding blank 'source' files due to the error it proceeded
to erase all the "obsolete" files it could get to ...

Anyway, why sed ? Just use mousepad/featherpad/leafpad
and search-n-replace. Super easy and you can instantly
see the results and un-do them with a keystroke if needed.

Hmm ... I suppose I could compile a 32-bit version of
'edlin' and use it on Winders to work on long json files
and such :-)

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 by: Carlos E.R. - Mon, 27 Mar 2023 00:37 UTC

On 2023-03-27 02:26, 27E.G756 wrote:
> On 3/24/23 8:58 PM, Fritz Wuehler wrote:
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>> j> "A programmer has a problem and thinks "I know! I'll use sed(1)!" Now
>> j> the programmer has two problems."
>>
>> If 'sed' isn't one's cup of tea, there are other similar tools out there
>> such as 'msrp', 'binmay', or in a pinch 'm4' to choose from.
>>
>> Replacing a bunch of fixed strings and numbers in a pre-recorded macro
>> script file isn't exactly rocket science.
>
>   Careful ... I did that to a long script and ONE entry
>   was "different" - and it erased the box  :-)
>
>   Yes, that CAN happen ... it was a 'reverse' of "rsync --delete"
>   and finding blank 'source' files due to the error it proceeded
>   to erase all the "obsolete" files it could get to ...

Whoa! that happened to me. Run rsync --delete on the wrong backup set.
And deleted the original instead.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

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 by: 27E.G756 - Mon, 27 Mar 2023 03:11 UTC

On 3/26/23 8:37 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2023-03-27 02:26, 27E.G756 wrote:
>> On 3/24/23 8:58 PM, Fritz Wuehler wrote:
>>> jeshgrca <jeshg...@gmail.com> [j]:
>>> j> "A programmer has a problem and thinks "I know! I'll use sed(1)!" Now
>>> j> the programmer has two problems."
>>>
>>> If 'sed' isn't one's cup of tea, there are other similar tools out there
>>> such as 'msrp', 'binmay', or in a pinch 'm4' to choose from.
>>>
>>> Replacing a bunch of fixed strings and numbers in a pre-recorded macro
>>> script file isn't exactly rocket science.
>>
>>    Careful ... I did that to a long script and ONE entry
>>    was "different" - and it erased the box  :-)
>>
>>    Yes, that CAN happen ... it was a 'reverse' of "rsync --delete"
>>    and finding blank 'source' files due to the error it proceeded
>>    to erase all the "obsolete" files it could get to ...
>
> Whoa! that happened to me. Run rsync --delete on the wrong backup set.
> And deleted the original instead.

In this case there were many live links open - including
to an NAS.

So guess ...

GOOD reason to keep LOTS of backups here there and everywhere !
Storage is cheap these days.

These days I open source NAS/cifs mounts READ-ONLY for backups,
just in case, and only one at a time.

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 by: 27E.G756 - Mon, 27 Mar 2023 03:25 UTC

On 3/21/23 4:20 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2023-03-21 19:25, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>> On 2023-03-21, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2023-03-21 15:22, TJ wrote:
>>>
>>>> This year's refund arrived less than a month after I filed the paper
>>>> form. I'm OK with that, even if I had to use Windows.
>>>
>>> "Maybe" it works on Android :-?
>>
>> Great - substitute one monopoly for another.
>
> Sure. But one is gratis and the other isn't. I use phones, and they are
> Android, so I already have Android (I'm not going to use iphones). And
> can be installed in a virtual machine.

I some Banana Pi's come with Android installed
on the EMC chip. But how to boot it involves some
complicated instructions. The one Banana I have, I
wanted to boot Raspbian, so I wiped the EMC chip.
Don't feel compelled to run Android - it's kind of
a brain-damaged Linux ... really ONLY meant for
phones or similar devices.

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 by: Carlos E.R. - Mon, 27 Mar 2023 09:45 UTC

On 2023-03-27 05:11, 27E.G756 wrote:
> On 3/26/23 8:37 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2023-03-27 02:26, 27E.G756 wrote:
>>> On 3/24/23 8:58 PM, Fritz Wuehler wrote:
>>>> jeshgrca <jeshg...@gmail.com> [j]:
>>>> j> "A programmer has a problem and thinks "I know! I'll use sed(1)!"
>>>> Now
>>>> j> the programmer has two problems."
>>>>
>>>> If 'sed' isn't one's cup of tea, there are other similar tools out
>>>> there
>>>> such as 'msrp', 'binmay', or in a pinch 'm4' to choose from.
>>>>
>>>> Replacing a bunch of fixed strings and numbers in a pre-recorded macro
>>>> script file isn't exactly rocket science.
>>>
>>>    Careful ... I did that to a long script and ONE entry
>>>    was "different" - and it erased the box  :-)
>>>
>>>    Yes, that CAN happen ... it was a 'reverse' of "rsync --delete"
>>>    and finding blank 'source' files due to the error it proceeded
>>>    to erase all the "obsolete" files it could get to ...
>>
>> Whoa! that happened to me. Run rsync --delete on the wrong backup set.
>> And deleted the original instead.
>
>   In this case there were many live links open - including
>   to an NAS.
>
>   So guess ...
>
>   GOOD reason to keep LOTS of backups here there and everywhere !
>   Storage is cheap these days.
>
>   These days I open source NAS/cifs mounts READ-ONLY for backups,
>   just in case, and only one at a time.

Yeah, well... I was creating the backups and verifying them. And any
way, what I deleted was the source!

--
Cheers, Carlos.

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 by: Carlos E.R. - Mon, 27 Mar 2023 09:47 UTC

On 2023-03-27 05:25, 27E.G756 wrote:
> On 3/21/23 4:20 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2023-03-21 19:25, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>> On 2023-03-21, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2023-03-21 15:22, TJ wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> This year's refund arrived less than a month after I filed the paper
>>>>> form. I'm OK with that, even if I had to use Windows.
>>>>
>>>> "Maybe" it works on Android :-?
>>>
>>> Great - substitute one monopoly for another.
>>
>> Sure. But one is gratis and the other isn't. I use phones, and they
>> are Android, so I already have Android (I'm not going to use iphones).
>> And can be installed in a virtual machine.
>
>   I some Banana Pi's come with Android installed
>   on the EMC chip. But how to boot it involves some
>   complicated instructions. The one Banana I have, I
>   wanted to boot Raspbian, so I wiped the EMC chip.
>   Don't feel compelled to run Android - it's kind of
>   a brain-damaged Linux ... really ONLY meant for
>   phones or similar devices.

My interest in running Android in a virtual machine was precisely to
have Adobe Reader on the (Linux) computer.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

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 by: Charlie Gibbs - Tue, 28 Mar 2023 01:26 UTC

On 2023-03-27, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

> On 2023-03-27 02:26, 27E.G756 wrote:
>
>> On 3/24/23 8:58 PM, Fritz Wuehler wrote:
>>
>>> Replacing a bunch of fixed strings and numbers in a pre-recorded macro
>>> script file isn't exactly rocket science.
>>
>>   Careful ... I did that to a long script and ONE entry
>>   was "different" - and it erased the box  :-)
>>
>>   Yes, that CAN happen ... it was a 'reverse' of "rsync --delete"
>>   and finding blank 'source' files due to the error it proceeded
>>   to erase all the "obsolete" files it could get to ...
>
> Whoa! that happened to me. Run rsync --delete on the wrong backup set.
> And deleted the original instead.

That's why I always include the -n (dry run) option in such an
rsync command the first time I try it. If it looks OK (i.e. no
flood of "deleting" messages) I recall the command, remove the
-n option, and let 'er rip.

--
/~\ Charlie Gibbs | You can't save the earth
\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | unless you're willing to
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | make other people sacrifice.
/ \ if you read it the right way. | -- Dogbert the green consultant

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 by: 27E.G756 - Tue, 28 Mar 2023 05:09 UTC

On 3/27/23 5:45 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2023-03-27 05:11, 27E.G756 wrote:
>> On 3/26/23 8:37 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>> On 2023-03-27 02:26, 27E.G756 wrote:
>>>> On 3/24/23 8:58 PM, Fritz Wuehler wrote:
>>>>> jeshgrca <jeshg...@gmail.com> [j]:
>>>>> j> "A programmer has a problem and thinks "I know! I'll use
>>>>> sed(1)!" Now
>>>>> j> the programmer has two problems."
>>>>>
>>>>> If 'sed' isn't one's cup of tea, there are other similar tools out
>>>>> there
>>>>> such as 'msrp', 'binmay', or in a pinch 'm4' to choose from.
>>>>>
>>>>> Replacing a bunch of fixed strings and numbers in a pre-recorded macro
>>>>> script file isn't exactly rocket science.
>>>>
>>>>    Careful ... I did that to a long script and ONE entry
>>>>    was "different" - and it erased the box  :-)
>>>>
>>>>    Yes, that CAN happen ... it was a 'reverse' of "rsync --delete"
>>>>    and finding blank 'source' files due to the error it proceeded
>>>>    to erase all the "obsolete" files it could get to ...
>>>
>>> Whoa! that happened to me. Run rsync --delete on the wrong backup
>>> set. And deleted the original instead.
>>
>>    In this case there were many live links open - including
>>    to an NAS.
>>
>>    So guess ...
>>
>>    GOOD reason to keep LOTS of backups here there and everywhere !
>>    Storage is cheap these days.
>>
>>    These days I open source NAS/cifs mounts READ-ONLY for backups,
>>    just in case, and only one at a time.
>
>
> Yeah, well... I was creating the backups and verifying them. And any
> way, what I deleted was the source!

My case was ONE backup job that was just a *little bit*
"different" and the search-n-replace didn't get it exactly
right. Very subtle error but ........

Not even clear how to add the required IQ to ensure
such evil cannot proceed.

Hmmmm ... ok .... here's a dead practical question about
achieving maximum 'isolation' during things like iffy
backups.

You cannot mount a subdir of a drive directly because the
subdirs don't exist until the whole drive is mounted
somewhere ..... ie "mount -t ext4 /dev/sdb1/mystuff"
doesn't work. (actually safer to UUID= mounts because
BIOS tends to move 'sdN' numbers around).

You can use SAMBA/CIFS and mount a specific subdir, but
that only works because Samba is mounting the entire drive
*somewhere* and then feeding you the subdirs. Going thru
Samba also slows things down 30-50% because of the overhead.

The DESIRED outcome is to ONLY mount the subdir so wacko
programs can't get to the whole drive never ever.

Yea, you can mount the whole drive *somewhere* but,
somewhere, it's all still exposed. The crash I
described spread *everywhere* - every link, every
mountpoint, on the whole machine and thus beyond.

The only sort-of fix is to run the backups as a
kinda restricted user ... but that often takes
some doing, lots of permissions to set up. Can
be kind of a mess to properly document.

What I did was just at least mount the source as
read-only. That limits the damage something like
rsync --delete can do at least in the 'backwards'
direction. Might not always work in the 'forwards'
direction alas.

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On 3/27/23 9:26 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2023-03-27, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 2023-03-27 02:26, 27E.G756 wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/24/23 8:58 PM, Fritz Wuehler wrote:
>>>
>>>> Replacing a bunch of fixed strings and numbers in a pre-recorded macro
>>>> script file isn't exactly rocket science.
>>>
>>>   Careful ... I did that to a long script and ONE entry
>>>   was "different" - and it erased the box  :-)
>>>
>>>   Yes, that CAN happen ... it was a 'reverse' of "rsync --delete"
>>>   and finding blank 'source' files due to the error it proceeded
>>>   to erase all the "obsolete" files it could get to ...
>>
>> Whoa! that happened to me. Run rsync --delete on the wrong backup set.
>> And deleted the original instead.
>
> That's why I always include the -n (dry run) option in such an
> rsync command the first time I try it. If it looks OK (i.e. no
> flood of "deleting" messages) I recall the command, remove the
> -n option, and let 'er rip.

Good to do - combined with using the verbose mode - but,
of course, the aforementioned script had "always worked"
before so it seemed above suspicion. It was only ONE
backup job in the script that caused all the trouble,
it was just a tad "different" and the global search/replace
didn't work as expected.

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