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 by: Lawrence D'Oliv - Wed, 14 Feb 2024 20:29 UTC

On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 08:58:50 +0000, Farley Flud wrote:

> But the Microslop GUI is more professional in design ...

You mean, the one where a new “design language” keeps getting introduced
in every new version, but then only used in some places, while others keep
the old “look”, and some settings end up in two different places as a
result?

The one where the horizontal “Ribbon” across the top of the screen is
still considered a good use of space?

If by “more professional” you mean “they spent a lot more money on it”,
then you could be right.

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 by: Farley Flud - Wed, 14 Feb 2024 20:44 UTC

On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 20:29:40 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 08:58:50 +0000, Farley Flud wrote:
>
>> But the Microslop GUI is more professional in design ...
>

I was thinking of some M$ software that I sometimes have to use.

But M$ introduced the sickening low contrast, low relief, blue-on-gray
style with rounded buttons and huge icons that are separated by huge,
useless spaces.

It's even more outrageous that GNU/Linux, via GTK+, is actually
imitating this horrid design. This is what I mean by the degeneration
of the GNU/Linux GUI.

I prefer the crisp, high contrast, and full relief designs that are
still offered by some toolkits like TK and Motif, but this is a
vanishing trend.

Fortunately, for myself anyway, I use fvwm3, which still follows the
"old school" methods.

The original point, however, still remains. GNU/Linux DEs could appeal
only to juvenile users.

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 by: Joel - Wed, 14 Feb 2024 21:22 UTC

DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:

>> And you [Russell] just converted millions to Linux [(sarcasm)], heh. Your advocacy speaks
>> for itself ...
>
>1 billion were permanently turned off Linux by cola nutjobs: you, Feeb,
>Rex Ballard, 7, shitv, Roy Spamowitz, etc.

Don't include me, I make Linux look cool and fun.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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 by: Lawrence D'Oliv - Wed, 14 Feb 2024 21:41 UTC

On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 20:44:56 +0000, Farley Flud wrote:

> It's even more outrageous that GNU/Linux, via GTK+, is actually
> imitating this horrid design.

Don’t like it? Change it.

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On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 12:36:23 -0500, RabidPedagog wrote:

> I'm truly sorry I missed the Roy Schestowitz era.

He would post like, half a dozen or a dozen links to news stories per day?

I wondered how he could keep that up over so many years ...

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 by: % - Wed, 14 Feb 2024 22:02 UTC

Joel wrote:
> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>
>>> And you [Russell] just converted millions to Linux [(sarcasm)], heh. Your advocacy speaks
>>> for itself ...
>>
>> 1 billion were permanently turned off Linux by cola nutjobs: you, Feeb,
>> Rex Ballard, 7, shitv, Roy Spamowitz, etc.
>
>
> Don't include me, I make Linux look cool and fun.
>
no you don't in fact you have no idea how you make things look to me

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 by: RabidPedagog - Wed, 14 Feb 2024 22:06 UTC

On 2024-02-14 4:42 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 12:36:23 -0500, RabidPedagog wrote:
>
>> I'm truly sorry I missed the Roy Schestowitz era.
>
> He would post like, half a dozen or a dozen links to news stories per day?
>
> I wondered how he could keep that up over so many years ...

Not having a job, a life or a girlfriend tends to give you tons of time.

--
RabidPedagog
Catholic paleoconservative

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 by: % - Wed, 14 Feb 2024 22:33 UTC

RabidPedagog wrote:
> On 2024-02-14 4:42 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>> On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 12:36:23 -0500, RabidPedagog wrote:
>>
>>> I'm truly sorry I missed the Roy Schestowitz era.
>>
>> He would post like, half a dozen or a dozen links to news stories per
>> day?
>>
>> I wondered how he could keep that up over so many years ...
>
> Not having a job, a life or a girlfriend tends to give you tons of time.
>
is that how you manage it

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On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 14:25:28 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us>
wrote in <uqj438$2p9l9$4@dont-email.me>:

> candycanearter07 wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On 2/14/24 08:37, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>> vallor wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 22:46:12 +0000, Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote in
>>>> <17b38d9927fae11c$85782$395177$802601b3@news.usenetexpress.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> Hey GNU/Linux aficionados! (Distro jockeys get lost.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Most people don't even know about desktop Linux, but the
>>>>> few ones that do know don't seem too enthused.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why is this?
>>>>>
>>>>> Recently, I had a problem that required me to use a Linux
>>>>> "rescue" USB. I used the Gentoo Live distro that contains
>>>>> KDE Plasma as the DE.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh my fucking God! KDE Plasma is droll to say the very
>>>>> least. Plasma impresses me like the art work of elementary
>>>>> school students who post their "creations" on the school
>>>>> bulletin boards. It is puerile junk. It is almost laughable.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then there is System Rescue, another live USB, that contains
>>>>> the XFCE DE. Again, pure juvenile garbage. It can make one
>>>>> sick just to use that crap.
>>>>>
>>>>> What about GNOME? I believe that Gentoo Live USBs used to
>>>>> offer a choice of DEs, including GNOME. IIRC, GNOME was
>>>>> equally puerile.
>>>>>
>>>>> All I can say is this: Most popular GNU/Linux distros present
>>>>> GUIs that appear to be designed by schoolchildren during
>>>>> recess.
>>>>>
>>>>> Can there be any doubt that most people would just puke
>>>>> and return to Microslop Winblows?
>>>>>
>>>>> GNU/Linux is by far the superior OS, but one would never
>>>>> suspect when given the popular DE offerings.
>>>>>
>>>>> I use FVWM3 window manager and it is truly beautiful
>>>>> in its simplicity and functionality. The same can be
>>>>> said for OpenBox.
>>>>>
>>>>> But the popular DEs? They can only repel and not attract.
>>>>
>>>> xfce4 does the job for me.
>>>>
>>>> What do you want to do with fvwm that can't be done with
>>>> xfce?
>>>>
>>>> (I used to use fvwm...I think in the 90's?)
>>>
>>> Everyone has their sweet spot. I like xfce, but mine is fluxbox.
>>> One thing I don't like about xfce is that, when you move a window that is
>>> maximized vertically, it reverts to its original dimensions, and you have to
>>> maximize it again. The horror!
>>
>> One neat tip with XFCE is that if you hold alt and right click drag, you
>> can resize a maximum window. You can pretty easily use that to move a
>> maximized window without it reverting.
>
> Fluxbox has that, too. Both it an xfce are very configurable.
>
> Xcfe doesn't seem to handle wallpaper changes on dual screen, only the main
> screen changes.

It does. You have to drag the background chooser to the monitor you want
a background on, and set it there.

>
> But I just map a Fluxbox key sequence to run "feh" to randomly select the next
> wallpaper for all screens.
>
> Mod4 z :ExecCommand /usr/bin/feh --no-fehbg --bg-scale --randomize
> --recursive ~/.local/wallpapers/

--
-v

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vallor wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 14:25:28 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us>
> wrote in <uqj438$2p9l9$4@dont-email.me>:
>
>> candycanearter07 wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>
>>> On 2/14/24 08:37, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>> vallor wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 22:46:12 +0000, Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote in
>>>>> <17b38d9927fae11c$85782$395177$802601b3@news.usenetexpress.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey GNU/Linux aficionados! (Distro jockeys get lost.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Most people don't even know about desktop Linux, but the
>>>>>> few ones that do know don't seem too enthused.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why is this?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Recently, I had a problem that required me to use a Linux
>>>>>> "rescue" USB. I used the Gentoo Live distro that contains
>>>>>> KDE Plasma as the DE.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh my fucking God! KDE Plasma is droll to say the very
>>>>>> least. Plasma impresses me like the art work of elementary
>>>>>> school students who post their "creations" on the school
>>>>>> bulletin boards. It is puerile junk. It is almost laughable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then there is System Rescue, another live USB, that contains
>>>>>> the XFCE DE. Again, pure juvenile garbage. It can make one
>>>>>> sick just to use that crap.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What about GNOME? I believe that Gentoo Live USBs used to
>>>>>> offer a choice of DEs, including GNOME. IIRC, GNOME was
>>>>>> equally puerile.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All I can say is this: Most popular GNU/Linux distros present
>>>>>> GUIs that appear to be designed by schoolchildren during
>>>>>> recess.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can there be any doubt that most people would just puke
>>>>>> and return to Microslop Winblows?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> GNU/Linux is by far the superior OS, but one would never
>>>>>> suspect when given the popular DE offerings.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I use FVWM3 window manager and it is truly beautiful
>>>>>> in its simplicity and functionality. The same can be
>>>>>> said for OpenBox.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But the popular DEs? They can only repel and not attract.
>>>>>
>>>>> xfce4 does the job for me.
>>>>>
>>>>> What do you want to do with fvwm that can't be done with
>>>>> xfce?
>>>>>
>>>>> (I used to use fvwm...I think in the 90's?)
>>>>
>>>> Everyone has their sweet spot. I like xfce, but mine is fluxbox.
>>>> One thing I don't like about xfce is that, when you move a window that is
>>>> maximized vertically, it reverts to its original dimensions, and you have to
>>>> maximize it again. The horror!
>>>
>>> One neat tip with XFCE is that if you hold alt and right click drag, you
>>> can resize a maximum window. You can pretty easily use that to move a
>>> maximized window without it reverting.
>>
>> Fluxbox has that, too. Both it an xfce are very configurable.
>>
>> Xcfe doesn't seem to handle wallpaper changes on dual screen, only the main
>> screen changes.
>
> It does. You have to drag the background chooser to the monitor you want
> a background on, and set it there.
>
>
>>
>> But I just map a Fluxbox key sequence to run "feh" to randomly select the next
>> wallpaper for all screens.
>>
>> Mod4 z :ExecCommand /usr/bin/feh --no-fehbg --bg-scale --randomize
>> --recursive ~/.local/wallpapers/
>
what would be the purpose of doing this

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 by: Joel - Thu, 15 Feb 2024 02:19 UTC

% <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote:
>Joel wrote:
>> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> And you [Russell] just converted millions to Linux [(sarcasm)], heh. Your advocacy speaks
>>>> for itself ...
>>>
>>> 1 billion were permanently turned off Linux by cola nutjobs: you, Feeb,
>>> Rex Ballard, 7, shitv, Roy Spamowitz, etc.
>>
>> Don't include me, I make Linux look cool and fun.
>>
>no you don't in fact you have no idea how you make things look to me

How it looks to you isn't important.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

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abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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 by: Joel - Thu, 15 Feb 2024 02:21 UTC

Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote:

>The original point, however, still remains. GNU/Linux DEs could appeal
>only to juvenile users.

It's "juvenile" to care what others use, dipshit. Grow up.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 20:44:56 +0000, Farley Flud wrote:

> I prefer the crisp, high contrast, and full relief designs that are
> still offered by some toolkits like TK and Motif, but this is a
> vanishing trend.

You would love our legacy GUIs -- all Motif.

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 by: rbowman - Thu, 15 Feb 2024 02:32 UTC

On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 10:08:02 -0600, candycanearter07 wrote:

> Getting an amateur license isn't too hard, bc I have one.

No-code? The bar used to be higher. I never went for Extra because there
was no way I was going to do 21 wpm. Now it's a written exam and I figure
why bother. I'll hang on to my anachronistic Advanced.

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 by: rbowman - Thu, 15 Feb 2024 03:13 UTC

On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 08:11:50 -0800 (PST), Lord Master wrote:

> We are deviating from the main theme, but the rationale for the Morse
> code requirement was that in times of national emergencies, such as
> severe hurricane or earthquake destruction (or how about nuclear war),
> local amateur operators could be enlisted to ensure reliable
> communications. The value of Morse code is that it can be discerned
> when conditions allow nothing else to get through.

That made sense at one time but the supply of people who can use Morse is
dwindling rapidly. The newer digital modes are robust. The military and
commercial operators dropped Morse in 1988.

>
> A "no-code" license would result in a flood of underqualified
> individuals.
> The amateur radio bands are limited and it is best to keep clutter down.

The no-code technician license was created in 1991. In 1999 new Advanced
and Novice licenses were dropped and the code test was dropped to 5 wpm
for General and Extra. In 2005 Morse was eliminated entirely.

Going on 19 years of no-code and if anything there is less traffic on the
amateur bands. 1200 baud packet radio was fun at the time

Linux trivia: packet radio used the AX.25 protocol which was derived from
X.25 which was in the Linux kernel around 1998 iirc. That made Linux,
usually Slackware, very popular with hams.

I've been busy with other stuff but I have a rtl-sdr dongle I should dust
off. I mainly used it to pick up ADS-B broadcasts.

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On 2/14/2024 4:42 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 12:36:23 -0500, RabidPedagog wrote:
>
>> I'm truly sorry I missed the Roy Schestowitz era.
>
> He would post like, half a dozen or a dozen links to news stories per day?
>
> I wondered how he could keep that up over so many years ...

A dozen? Try nearly 3 dozen posts per day on average, for 7 straight years.

Between Aug 2005 and Aug 2012 he spammed cola with 83,500 posts. Hence
"Spamowitz".

On the days he actually posted, he averaged a mind-blowing 46 posts.

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vallor wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 14:25:28 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us>
> wrote in <uqj438$2p9l9$4@dont-email.me>:
>
>> candycanearter07 wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>
>>> On 2/14/24 08:37, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>> vallor wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 22:46:12 +0000, Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote in
>>>>> <17b38d9927fae11c$85782$395177$802601b3@news.usenetexpress.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey GNU/Linux aficionados! (Distro jockeys get lost.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Most people don't even know about desktop Linux, but the
>>>>>> few ones that do know don't seem too enthused.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why is this?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Recently, I had a problem that required me to use a Linux
>>>>>> "rescue" USB. I used the Gentoo Live distro that contains
>>>>>> KDE Plasma as the DE.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh my fucking God! KDE Plasma is droll to say the very
>>>>>> least. Plasma impresses me like the art work of elementary
>>>>>> school students who post their "creations" on the school
>>>>>> bulletin boards. It is puerile junk. It is almost laughable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then there is System Rescue, another live USB, that contains
>>>>>> the XFCE DE. Again, pure juvenile garbage. It can make one
>>>>>> sick just to use that crap.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What about GNOME? I believe that Gentoo Live USBs used to
>>>>>> offer a choice of DEs, including GNOME. IIRC, GNOME was
>>>>>> equally puerile.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All I can say is this: Most popular GNU/Linux distros present
>>>>>> GUIs that appear to be designed by schoolchildren during
>>>>>> recess.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can there be any doubt that most people would just puke
>>>>>> and return to Microslop Winblows?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> GNU/Linux is by far the superior OS, but one would never
>>>>>> suspect when given the popular DE offerings.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I use FVWM3 window manager and it is truly beautiful
>>>>>> in its simplicity and functionality. The same can be
>>>>>> said for OpenBox.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But the popular DEs? They can only repel and not attract.
>>>>>
>>>>> xfce4 does the job for me.
>>>>>
>>>>> What do you want to do with fvwm that can't be done with
>>>>> xfce?
>>>>>
>>>>> (I used to use fvwm...I think in the 90's?)
>>>>
>>>> Everyone has their sweet spot. I like xfce, but mine is fluxbox.
>>>> One thing I don't like about xfce is that, when you move a window that is
>>>> maximized vertically, it reverts to its original dimensions, and you have to
>>>> maximize it again. The horror!
>>>
>>> One neat tip with XFCE is that if you hold alt and right click drag, you
>>> can resize a maximum window. You can pretty easily use that to move a
>>> maximized window without it reverting.
>>
>> Fluxbox has that, too. Both it an xfce are very configurable.
>>
>> Xcfe doesn't seem to handle wallpaper changes on dual screen, only the main
>> screen changes.
>
> It does. You have to drag the background chooser to the monitor you want
> a background on, and set it there.

With feh I can change both at once with one keystroke.

--
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is lower than those of other principal female opera singers?
A: A deep C diva.

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% wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> RabidPedagog wrote:
>> On 2024-02-14 4:42 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>> On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 12:36:23 -0500, RabidPedagog wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm truly sorry I missed the Roy Schestowitz era.
>>>
>>> He would post like, half a dozen or a dozen links to news stories per
>>> day?
>>>
>>> I wondered how he could keep that up over so many years ...
>>
>> Not having a job, a life or a girlfriend tends to give you tons of time.
>>
> is that how you manage it

LOL

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 by: RabidPedagog - Thu, 15 Feb 2024 13:40 UTC

On 2024-02-14 10:56 p.m., DFS wrote:
> On 2/14/2024 4:42 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>> On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 12:36:23 -0500, RabidPedagog wrote:
>>
>>> I'm truly sorry I missed the Roy Schestowitz era.
>>
>> He would post like, half a dozen or a dozen links to news stories per
>> day?
>>
>> I wondered how he could keep that up over so many years ...
>
>
> A dozen?  Try nearly 3 dozen posts per day on average, for 7 straight
> years.
>
> Between Aug 2005 and Aug 2012 he spammed cola with 83,500 posts.  Hence
> "Spamowitz".
>
> On the days he actually posted, he averaged a mind-blowing 46 posts.

If I remember correctly, they were links to his own content too. I guess
he was trying to get clicks on his shitty site to earn a living.

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On 2/14/24 19:07, vallor wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 14:25:28 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us>
> wrote in <uqj438$2p9l9$4@dont-email.me>:
>
>> candycanearter07 wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>
>>> On 2/14/24 08:37, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>> vallor wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 22:46:12 +0000, Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote in
>>>>> <17b38d9927fae11c$85782$395177$802601b3@news.usenetexpress.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey GNU/Linux aficionados! (Distro jockeys get lost.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Most people don't even know about desktop Linux, but the
>>>>>> few ones that do know don't seem too enthused.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why is this?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Recently, I had a problem that required me to use a Linux
>>>>>> "rescue" USB. I used the Gentoo Live distro that contains
>>>>>> KDE Plasma as the DE.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh my fucking God! KDE Plasma is droll to say the very
>>>>>> least. Plasma impresses me like the art work of elementary
>>>>>> school students who post their "creations" on the school
>>>>>> bulletin boards. It is puerile junk. It is almost laughable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then there is System Rescue, another live USB, that contains
>>>>>> the XFCE DE. Again, pure juvenile garbage. It can make one
>>>>>> sick just to use that crap.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What about GNOME? I believe that Gentoo Live USBs used to
>>>>>> offer a choice of DEs, including GNOME. IIRC, GNOME was
>>>>>> equally puerile.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All I can say is this: Most popular GNU/Linux distros present
>>>>>> GUIs that appear to be designed by schoolchildren during
>>>>>> recess.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can there be any doubt that most people would just puke
>>>>>> and return to Microslop Winblows?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> GNU/Linux is by far the superior OS, but one would never
>>>>>> suspect when given the popular DE offerings.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I use FVWM3 window manager and it is truly beautiful
>>>>>> in its simplicity and functionality. The same can be
>>>>>> said for OpenBox.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But the popular DEs? They can only repel and not attract.
>>>>>
>>>>> xfce4 does the job for me.
>>>>>
>>>>> What do you want to do with fvwm that can't be done with
>>>>> xfce?
>>>>>
>>>>> (I used to use fvwm...I think in the 90's?)
>>>>
>>>> Everyone has their sweet spot. I like xfce, but mine is fluxbox.
>>>> One thing I don't like about xfce is that, when you move a window that is
>>>> maximized vertically, it reverts to its original dimensions, and you have to
>>>> maximize it again. The horror!
>>>
>>> One neat tip with XFCE is that if you hold alt and right click drag, you
>>> can resize a maximum window. You can pretty easily use that to move a
>>> maximized window without it reverting.
>>
>> Fluxbox has that, too. Both it an xfce are very configurable.
>>
>> Xcfe doesn't seem to handle wallpaper changes on dual screen, only the main
>> screen changes.
>
> It does. You have to drag the background chooser to the monitor you want
> a background on, and set it there.
>
>
>>
>> But I just map a Fluxbox key sequence to run "feh" to randomly select the next
>> wallpaper for all screens.
>>
>> Mod4 z :ExecCommand /usr/bin/feh --no-fehbg --bg-scale --randomize
>> --recursive ~/.local/wallpapers/

I still wish that you could set both at once, but I don't change my
wallpaper enough for it to be a deal breaker.
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 by: Stéphane CARPENTIER - Fri, 16 Feb 2024 22:02 UTC

Le 13-02-2024, Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> a écrit :
>
> I use FVWM3 window manager and it is truly beautiful
> in its simplicity

For the simplicity part, I strongly agree. You removed everything:
nothing's left. It can't be more simple.

> and functionality.

That's the catch with you configuration. It's so simple nothing useful
remains and it's not functional.

> The same can be said for OpenBox.

Not managed by you. And by the way, a tilling WM is simpler.

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>
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>>away from these DEs.
>
> Lay off the meth.

Why? You want him to share it with you?

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From: joelcrump@gmail.com (Joel)
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Subject: Re: Why Do People Dislike Linux? Maybe This.
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 by: Joel - Fri, 16 Feb 2024 22:21 UTC

Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:
>Le 14-02-2024, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> a écrit :
>> Lord Master <lordiemassa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>If you want pure, technical Linux, amateur radio style, stay the hell
>>>away from these DEs.
>>
>> Lay off the meth.
>
>Why? You want him to share it with you?

No. If I need a charge, I buy a Red Bull or Full Throttle. Liquid
meth is the only safe way (but I have done it illegally, too).

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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