On 10/1/2023 11:06 PM, Peter wrote:

<snip>

> It was a conscious decision not to test these iPhones for overheating.

It was likely the belief that since the apps all ran fine on iOS 17 on
the iPhone 14 Pro/Pro Max that there was no operating system issue with
those apps. They didn't take into account the higher power consumption
and higher thermals of the A17 Bionic or the change from a metal with a
higher thermal conductivity to one with a lower thermal conductivity.

Remember the iPhone 4 antenna issue? The belief there was that the
phones that were being tested had cases on them, to hide what they were,
so no one was touching the frame in the wrong place.

Remember the iPhone 6/6s/7 throttling issue? It actually wasn't a
problem with the battery it was that the PMIC was unable to deliver
sufficient power to the Bionic chip when the battery had slightly aged.
In the iPhone 8 they added another PMIC to address the issue and there
have been no reports of the iPhone 8 or newer throttling even though the
throttling code is still there. A replacement battery was a workaround
to the problem on the 6/6s/7 but it didn't address the root cause.

For the overheating, they can throttle the CPU under certain conditions
but it doesn't address the root cause of the need for a better thermal
solution (vapor chamber).

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On 2023-10-01 19:36, Dorper wrote:
> On Oct 1, 2023, Alan Browne wrote
> (in article <xQlSM.36250$%_f1.3838@fx06.iad>):
>
>> On 2023-10-01 17:38, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2023-10-01 14:13, Wally J wrote:
>>>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote
>>>>
>>>>> No, you very clearly haven't.
>>>>
>>>> Well, both badgolferman and I have said we've worked on military grade
>>>> software for decades but you can choose to disbelieve what we say.
>>>
>>> That's convenient, Clown...
>>>
>>> ...because we do so choose.
>>
>> Using terms like "military grade software" is a red flag.
>>
>> There is a way to say what he desperately wants to convey but since he
>> said it the way he said it we know it is poppycock (at best).
>
> Military Grade software does exist. VHDL (MIL-STD-454N) and Ada
> (MIL-STD-1815) are examples. But just because something is military grade
> doesn't mean it is good. Military grade means it is the cheapest made while
> still meeting minimum contract specifications.

Yet, nobody in the industry uses jargon such as "military grade". That
is the point. Somebody using that jargon is someone who is a pretender.

Ada is not "Military Grade" - it is a standard language (as in a
reference) that can be a requirement (usually contractual) in some, but
not all military (and commercial aviation) programs. For example, the
F-22 had a contractual requirement that everything newly developed had
to be written in Ada. (Existing avionics that needed no changes or minor
changes were exempt). Likewise Boeing stipulated Ada for all new
avionics for the B-777 program which is obviously not a military program.

US (and other country) military software requirements in the 80's and
90's tended to be to MIL-STD-2167A, but some military avionics contracts
stipulate DO-178c as the standard (at appropriate criticality level) -
and the latter is a commercial aviation standard.

2167 has in the meantime been superseded by other standards.

As I recall testing to 2167, it was something of a nightmare - not that
DO-178 at sufficiently high levels (B and A) is easy.

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On 2023-10-01 20:41, candycanearter07 wrote:
> On 10/1/23 19:22, sms wrote:
>> On 10/1/2023 2:43 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>
>>> The operating system controls thread scheduling and memory. They can
>>> just lower the apps priority if its past a certain usage percentage,
>>> or outright kill it.
>>
>> Actually the OS _can_ stop the app from consuming excessive resources
>> by shutting it down. There have been complaints by developers of this
>> happening when the app has a legitimate need for those resources.
>>
>
> That's what I said?

Excessive CPU use not being one of them, or at least not as a general case.

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On 2023-10-01 23:51, Mickey D wrote:
> On Sun, 1 Oct 2023 17:22:58 -0700, sms wrote:
>
>>> The operating system controls thread scheduling and memory. They can
>>> just lower the apps priority if its past a certain usage percentage, or
>>> outright kill it.
>>
>> Actually the OS _can_ stop the app from consuming excessive resources by
>> shutting it down. There have been complaints by developers of this
>> happening when the app has a legitimate need for those resources.
>
> The only way Apple can stop this problem in software is to cut performance.

Not at all. Because you have 0 understanding of how s/w is designed and
the many pitfalls that can cause CPU load for no productive reason, you
can't understand how a simple fix will remove that problem - and of
course with no effect on performance.

IAC, there are oodles of 3rd party people, unlike you, who are experts
and will use the usual benchmarking tools to see how the phone does
after the corrections are implemented.

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On 2023-10-02 02:06, Peter wrote:
> candycanearter07 wrote on 02.10.2023 00:04
>>> There is a difference between not finding a particular issue in
>>> particular circumstances and "forget[ting]" to test.
>>>
>>> Agreed?
>>
>> If so many people have this issue then it would've come up in testing.
>
> I don't think Alan is correct that Apple "forgot" to test.
> Apple consciously decided not to bother wasting the money to test it.
>
> That's different.
> It was a conscious decision not to test these iPhones for overheating.

BS. Testing s/w is not a trivial thing, and s/w tests only confirm what
is being tested.

There is no way to test for every possible outcome. Least of all on a
new hardware version coupled to a new OS version.

Do note that before even Beta versions were released, within Apple there
were dozens of pre-Beta versions being tested and this contributes to
the overall low number of bugs.

Ironically (and you have to have walked the walk to know so),
implementing bug fixes in one version, can produce an unexpected bug
somewhere down the road in a future version. Digression ahead (Why one
is usually expected to keep functions to as small a thing (less lines of
code) as possible - break up complex functions into more - but simpler
functions)).

>
> It's clear there was no testing for this widespread overheating problem.
> Otherwise it wouldn't be so many situations & so many of them being common.

Test design is not a trivial thing. And most s/w testing is function
positive pass.

>
> Anyone saying it was tested has to first read that Apple said almost
> everything is causing this overheating - which means they didn't test it.

Did they test for this specific outcome?

- Yes: but in the configuration tested, it did not manifest itself.
- Yes: but in the configuration tested, it manifested, but not so much

But most likely the tests did not test for this sort of outcome at all.

> None of this would have been allowed through had there been any testing.
> But there wasn't any testing. That much is clear to everyone. Even Apple.

Clearly you have zero clue about how software test is done.

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On 2023-10-02 09:55, sms wrote:

> For the overheating, they can throttle the CPU under certain conditions
> but it doesn't address the root cause of the need for a better thermal
> solution (vapor chamber).

Laughably stupid. If the cause of the CPU overrun is a bug in s/w, you
don't implement a mechanical change, you implement a software change.

Apple mechanical engineers chose the thermal design based on engineering
the mechanical design. If they determined they would need heat pipes,
they would have done so.

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On 10/2/23 00:43, Your Name wrote:
>> On Mon, 2 Oct 2023 11:33:26 +0800, Patrick wrote:
>>>>
>>>> At the very least the user should have enough brains not to use
>>>> utter crap "Social Media" apps like Instagram.  :-p
>>>
>>> This idea from Your Name is great as it will instantly solve all of
>>> Apple's overheating iPhone 15 problems while still allowing sales to
>>> proceed.
>
> People not using crappy "Social Media" would solve lots of the world's
> problems in one go!
>

Like how aggressive everyone is.
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On 10/2/23 08:25, sms wrote:
> On 10/1/2023 5:41 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
>> On 10/1/23 19:22, sms wrote:
>>> On 10/1/2023 2:43 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>>
>>>> The operating system controls thread scheduling and memory. They can
>>>> just lower the apps priority if its past a certain usage percentage,
>>>> or outright kill it.
>>>
>>> Actually the OS _can_ stop the app from consuming excessive resources
>>> by shutting it down. There have been complaints by developers of this
>>> happening when the app has a legitimate need for those resources.
>>>
>>
>> That's what I said?
>
> Sorry, I was correcting one of our favorite trolls.
>

Oh sorry, Thunderbird sometimes bugs out when displaying messages.
(sometimes hiding them or displaying a previous message instead of the
one I selected)
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On 10/2/23 08:51, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2023-10-01 19:04, candycanearter07 wrote:
>> If so many people have this issue then it would've come up in testing.
>
> Depends on what testing is done and how the tests were designed.
>
> If tests look for "did task BB002 complete w/o errors?" and it's
> affirmative then it passes.
>
> If tests look for "did task BB002 complete w/o errors and use little
> CPU, time or result in the temperature not going up" and it's
> affirmative then it passes.
>
> Then, did the above while each of 100's of popular 3rd party apps was
> also running?
>
> This sort of thing shoots off to infinite tests pretty quickly...
>
>
>

Fair, but temperature should be at least measured in testing I'd think.
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On 2023-10-02 10:53, candycanearter07 wrote:
> On 10/2/23 08:51, Alan Browne wrote:
>> On 2023-10-01 19:04, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>> If so many people have this issue then it would've come up in testing.
>>
>> Depends on what testing is done and how the tests were designed.
>>
>> If tests look for "did task BB002 complete w/o errors?" and it's
>> affirmative then it passes.
>>
>> If tests look for "did task BB002 complete w/o errors and use little
>> CPU, time or result in the temperature not going up" and it's
>> affirmative then it passes.
>>
>> Then, did the above while each of 100's of popular 3rd party apps was
>> also running?
>>
>> This sort of thing shoots off to infinite tests pretty quickly...
>>
>>
>>
>
> Fair, but temperature should be at least measured in testing I'd think.

Silos. Typically, the processor board engineers and mechanical
engineers will work together and test the ability of the box to shed
heat when there is load. And they will have a definition for that test
(numerous tests at the cold end, room temp, max temp). This will
involve very little from the s/w side, other than actions required to
protect the hardware (extreme cold, extreme heat) from damage. (This can
also be done in h/w with the s/w merely displaying a message).

Software testing OS + Apple apps (another silo) is usually done
independently of the processor/mechanical engineers except for some
narrow cases such as protecting the hardware through s/w actions
(Throttling, sleeping, etc.)

And of course interactions with 3rd party apps is a whole other realm.

New h/w.
New OS verion.

Bugs! Really!

But so few.

IAC, in some time in the near future, this will all be a memory.

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On 10/2/23 10:07, Alan Browne wrote:
> Silos.  Typically, the processor board engineers and mechanical
> engineers will work together and test the ability of the box to shed
> heat when there is load.  And they will have a definition for that test
> (numerous tests at the cold end, room temp, max temp).  This will
> involve very little from the s/w side, other than actions required to
> protect the hardware (extreme cold, extreme heat) from damage. (This can
> also be done in h/w with the s/w merely displaying a message).
>
> Software testing OS + Apple apps (another silo) is usually done
> independently of the processor/mechanical engineers except for some
> narrow cases such as protecting the hardware through s/w actions
> (Throttling, sleeping, etc.)
>
> And of course interactions with 3rd party apps is a whole other realm.
>
> New h/w.
> New OS verion.
>
> Bugs!  Really!
>
> But so few.
>
> IAC, in some time in the near future, this will all be a memory.
>

I actually didn't know that, that makes a lot of sense.
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On 2023-10-02, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> On 10/1/2023 11:06 PM, Peter wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>> It was a conscious decision not to test these iPhones for
>> overheating.
>
> It was likely the belief that since the apps all ran fine on iOS 17 on
> the iPhone 14 Pro/Pro Max that there was no operating system issue
> with those apps.

LOL...

The fact these clowns actually think Apple doesn't test software on new
devices before release tells you all you need to know about their
extreme lack of knowledge of the field. 🤣

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On 2023-10-01 20:42, Oscar Mayer wrote:
> On Mon, 2 Oct 2023 11:33:26 +0800, Patrick wrote:
>
>>> At the very least the user should have enough brains not to use utter
>>> crap "Social Media" apps like Instagram.  :-p
>>
>> This idea from Your Name is great as it will instantly solve all of
>> Apple's overheating iPhone 15 problems while still allowing sales to
>> proceed.
>>
>> Apple should instantly remove TikTok, Instagram, Facebook, WhatsApp &
>> Telegram from the App Store (and Apple should remove those installed).
>>
>> That way Apple doesn't have to do anything else to fix the overheating
>> phones. Well, there is the problems of indexing and iOS 17 bugs too.
>>
>> For that, Apple should turn off indexing (what does it do anyway?).
>> And Apple should allow the overheating iPhones to backport to iOS 16.
>>
>> Problem solved thanks to Your Name!
>
> Good idea. Apple also needs to remove Uber and Asphalt 9 Legends games.
> And Apple has to figure out how to turn off charging the iPhone 15 too.
>
> As a side note, Apple has made the unusual admission that their iPhone may
> feel slightly warmer but if you stop holding it - you won't feel it at all.
>
> Apple suggests you lay the phone on a flat fire-proof surface and that you
> interact with it remotely - they even sell a ten-foot long iStick for that.

Stop being such a Clown, Arlen.

Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote

> There is a way to say what he desperately wants to convey but since he
> said it the way he said it we know it is poppycock (at best).

Do you doubt that my IQ has to be something like fifty points above yours?

... Let's run a simple test, shall we? ...

Question to Alan Browne: Have you ever noticed the walled garden existing?
Answer from Alan Browne: What walled garden?

Notice, Alan Browne is completely oblivious of what normal people aren't.
That lack of adult cognition is evidence of his rather unequal IQ for sure.

Dorper <usenet@dorper.me> wrote

>> There is a way to say what he desperately wants to convey but since he
>> said it the way he said it we know it is poppycock (at best).
>
> Military Grade software does exist. VHDL (MIL-STD-454N) and Ada
> (MIL-STD-1815) are examples. But just because something is military grade
> doesn't mean it is good. Military grade means it is the cheapest made while
> still meeting minimum contract specifications.

I Dorper,

You have to dumb down the message when you're conversing with the iKooks.
(You can raise the level to normal speech only when dealing with adults.)

I used that term because I was lumping my decades of Silicon Valley
experience with that of badgolferman's - but the point is that toy software
like Apple's operating systems is Barbie-doll stuff compared to that.

Suffice to say the software I worked with for decades is classified as a
munition (and hence can't be sold to certain countries & parties).

But what's funny is that the low-IQ uneducated ignorant iKooks are trying
to say they're more intelligent than I am or than badgolferman is - which
they're welcome to believe...

But why don't they ever show any semblance of normal adult cognition then?
Worse than the iKooks' almost complete lack of adult cognitive skills is
how these ignorant low-IQ uneducated iKooks react to facts about Apple.

They only have 7 responses to all truths about Apple.

The first few are to outright deny all facts about Apple and in doing so to
blame Samsung for everything bad that Apple does - and then to distract and
change the conversation to classic "whataboutism" (which they don't even
know they're using since none of them has earned a high school GED even).

HINT: Jolly Roger said he failed three times to attain his High School GED.

If you look at Alan Baker, it's even worse than Alan Browne, where he has
an IQ I estimate at about 40 which is why he has the honor of my killfile
(along with Snit and Rod Speed and Joerg Lorenze) due to the fact he can't
ever add value.

What's interesting is people like Alan Baker whose IQ is less than half of
normal, "think" they're geniuses - and yet - they're completely ignorant.

As a simple example, Alan Baker doesn't know a bimmer from a beemer - which
is OK as tons of people are completely ignorant of BMWs, but then Alan
Baker swears he's a racer and owner of a BMW (which happens to be a
bimmer).

How can someone be _that_ ignorant when NOBODY who races and NOBODY who
owns a bimmer or a beemer (I own both) would be _that_ completely clueless.

These iKooks are all three things _before_ they are religious zealots:
1. None of them have an IQ approaching normal (nospam's is the highest)
2. None of them have any semblance of a formal education (Joerg the worst)
3. None of them read the news about Apple products (Alan Baker the worst)
.... but... but... but... but.. but.. but. but. but...

None of that (alone) is why they're iKooks because many people are stupid.
No.

What makes them iKooks is you combine those three traits with their Jim
Jones religious zealotry where Apple is their religious idol in all ways.

An example is no adult would ever gloat that the phone they bought had a
profit margin of more than 50% and then gloat about the profits of that
company as if the fact the company aims for idiot consumers is some kind of
badge of courage.

That they were raped by Apple is a badge of courage _for them_ and they
don't even know why they feel honored to contribute so much to the profits.

They don't even know why.
I do.

HINT: They follow the pack so they feel the pack affirms their choice
(because they're too stupid to make an intelligent choice by themselves).

Guess what.
I know the iKooks better than they know themselves.

Sad. But true.

candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote

>> It's _you_ who hasn't ever worked with software as complicated as the
>> military grade stuff both badgolferman and I worked on for decades.
>
> You've coded operating systems?? That's awesome!

I never said I was a programmer, although I took classes in Fortran before
there was a Fortran 77, along with COBOL and IBM assembly language, perhaps
before you were even born.

When I was in graduate school, I was building my own Motorola 68701 micro
controller boards, and my first few jobs in Massachusetts were on DEC
computers before the VAX and SunOS and Solaris 'nix software debuted.

The software I worked on is classified as a munition - so I worked with
Fort Meade and other government agencies - but the main reason I used the
words I did was to lump my experience in with that of badgolferman's where
he used the terminology I was equating my experience with.

Remember, people like Alan Browne have a low IQ so we have to dumb down the
message for them - but if you want to take a look at my software, there are
papers I've published that you might find my writing style in.

Hell... some of those papers are in a completely different field than
software, since I have multiple degrees in vastly different arenas.

Anyway, the point here is that we have to remember the iKooks aren't only
stupid - they're religious fanatics who are stupid.

Sure, none of the iKooks has an IQ approaching normal (nospam's is probably
about 80, and Alan Browne's ten points below that - with the rest like
Jolly Roger and Joerg Lorenze and Alan Baker half of what those are).

Sure, none of the iKooks has any formal education, with Joerg Lorenz and
Jolly Roger and Alan Baker never having graduated even what we'd call High
School in the USA - Jolly Roger tried three times for the GED & failed -
for example.

Sure, none of the iKooks ever reads the news about Apple so I had to tell
them that, for example, Apple only fully supports a single release - which
- for years (and years!) they've been claiming that's not the truth.

And yet it is the truth about Apple.

What makes these iKooks what they are isn't so much they're ignorant,
uneducated and unfortunately of a rather low IQ - no - what makes them
iKooks is you combine that stupidity with their Jim Jones' adherence to the
Apple religion.

That's why they're iKooks.
--
I know the iKooks better than they know themselves as it's all correct.

On 10/2/23 20:05, Wally J wrote:
> candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote
>
>>> It's _you_ who hasn't ever worked with software as complicated as the
>>> military grade stuff both badgolferman and I worked on for decades.
>>
>> You've coded operating systems?? That's awesome!
>
> I never said I was a programmer, although I took classes in Fortran before
> there was a Fortran 77, along with COBOL and IBM assembly language, perhaps
> before you were even born.
>
> When I was in graduate school, I was building my own Motorola 68701 micro
> controller boards, and my first few jobs in Massachusetts were on DEC
> computers before the VAX and SunOS and Solaris 'nix software debuted.
>
> The software I worked on is classified as a munition - so I worked with
> Fort Meade and other government agencies - but the main reason I used the
> words I did was to lump my experience in with that of badgolferman's where
> he used the terminology I was equating my experience with.
>

Pretty cool!! I'm a lot younger but I have done some programming myself ^^.

> Remember, people like Alan Browne have a low IQ so we have to dumb down the
> message for them - but if you want to take a look at my software, there are
> papers I've published that you might find my writing style in.
>
> Hell... some of those papers are in a completely different field than
> software, since I have multiple degrees in vastly different arenas.
>
> Anyway, the point here is that we have to remember the iKooks aren't only
> stupid - they're religious fanatics who are stupid.
>
> Sure, none of the iKooks has an IQ approaching normal (nospam's is probably
> about 80, and Alan Browne's ten points below that - with the rest like
> Jolly Roger and Joerg Lorenze and Alan Baker half of what those are).
>
> Sure, none of the iKooks has any formal education, with Joerg Lorenz and
> Jolly Roger and Alan Baker never having graduated even what we'd call High
> School in the USA - Jolly Roger tried three times for the GED & failed -
> for example.

Ouch, really?

> Sure, none of the iKooks ever reads the news about Apple so I had to tell
> them that, for example, Apple only fully supports a single release - which
> - for years (and years!) they've been claiming that's not the truth.
>
> And yet it is the truth about Apple.
>
> What makes these iKooks what they are isn't so much they're ignorant,
> uneducated and unfortunately of a rather low IQ - no - what makes them
> iKooks is you combine that stupidity with their Jim Jones' adherence to the
> Apple religion.
>
> That's why they're iKooks.

Right
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On 2/10/2023, Alan Browne wrote:

> There are user settings in Unix to lower the priority of a program, but
> it will still get all the CPU it can that is available. Not sure if
> there are internal calls in iOS so an app can have its priority lowered.

Apple has to lower performance, where that's one way they might do it.

On 2/10/2023, sms wrote:

>> The operating system controls thread scheduling and memory. They can
>> just lower the apps priority if its past a certain usage percentage, or
>> outright kill it.
>
> Actually the OS _can_ stop the app from consuming excessive resources by
> shutting it down. There have been complaints by developers of this
> happening when the app has a legitimate need for those resources.

Given there are many disparate excuses Apple has provided for why the
defective iPhones are overheating, do you think the "fix" will involved
Apple lowering the performance?

I'm not speaking of the CPU speed since Apple will be clever to blame the
apps and not the processor - so the wording of Apple's public apology will
likely be just as much a Doozy as the last one was that Apple issued.

Do you think there's any chance Apple can decrease the disparate
overheating (happens during charging!) without lowering performance?

On 2023-10-02 17:40, Wally J wrote:
> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote
>
>> There is a way to say what he desperately wants to convey but since he
>> said it the way he said it we know it is poppycock (at best).
>
> Do you doubt that my IQ has to be something like fifty points above yours?

I doubt it.

sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>> It was a conscious decision not to test these iPhones for overheating.
>
> It was likely the belief that since the apps all ran fine on iOS 17 on
> the iPhone 14 Pro/Pro Max that there was no operating system issue with
> those apps. They didn't take into account the higher power consumption
> and higher thermals of the A17 Bionic or the change from a metal with a
> higher thermal conductivity to one with a lower thermal conductivity.

You are correct because the causes are so mundane that the only way Apple
could have not known about (charging & Instagram & common games) causing
the iPhone overheating is that Apple thought they didn't need to test it.

> Remember the iPhone 4 antenna issue? The belief there was that the
> phones that were being tested had cases on them, to hide what they were,
> so no one was touching the frame in the wrong place.

At least that Apple failure to test had a simple hardware add-on fix.

> Remember the iPhone 6/6s/7 throttling issue? It actually wasn't a
> problem with the battery it was that the PMIC was unable to deliver
> sufficient power to the Bionic chip when the battery had slightly aged.

It had to be hardware because Apple had the same batteries in other iPhones
that didn't need to be throttled after only a short time in normal use.
> In the iPhone 8 they added another PMIC to address the issue and there
> have been no reports of the iPhone 8 or newer throttling even though the
> throttling code is still there.

Why is the throttling code that Apple introduced as an emergency workaround
still in the software if the problem has been fixed with the added PMIC?

> A replacement battery was a workaround
> to the problem on the 6/6s/7 but it didn't address the root cause.

The replacement battery was like putting a bandaid on a broken limb.

> For the overheating, they can throttle the CPU under certain conditions
> but it doesn't address the root cause of the need for a better thermal
> solution (vapor chamber).

Can you think of any other software solution than reducing performance?

On Mon, 2 Oct 2023 10:12:50 -0500, candycanearter07 wrote:

>> IAC, in some time in the near future, this will all be a memory.
>>
>
> I actually didn't know that, that makes a lot of sense.

There are very many instances of Apple not testing the hardware and/or
software before making a big deal of their "big" release of the product.

Apple Maps is one of them, but a whole bunch of iPhones had hardware issues
that Apple didn't test for (the antenna, the power delivery, the modem).

Thankfully the new bold colors WERE TESTED thoroughly - and were a hit!

On 2023-10-02 17:53, Wally J wrote:
> Dorper <usenet@dorper.me> wrote
>
>>> There is a way to say what he desperately wants to convey but since he
>>> said it the way he said it we know it is poppycock (at best).
>>
>> Military Grade software does exist. VHDL (MIL-STD-454N) and Ada
>> (MIL-STD-1815) are examples. But just because something is military grade
>> doesn't mean it is good. Military grade means it is the cheapest made while
>> still meeting minimum contract specifications.
>
> I Dorper,
>
> You have to dumb down the message when you're conversing with the iKooks.
> (You can raise the level to normal speech only when dealing with adults.)
>
> I used that term because I was lumping my decades of Silicon Valley
> experience with that of badgolferman's - but the point is that toy software
> like Apple's operating systems is Barbie-doll stuff compared to that.
>
> Suffice to say the software I worked with for decades is classified as a
> munition (and hence can't be sold to certain countries & parties).
>
> But what's funny is that the low-IQ uneducated ignorant iKooks are trying
> to say they're more intelligent than I am or than badgolferman is - which
> they're welcome to believe...
>
> But why don't they ever show any semblance of normal adult cognition then?
> Worse than the iKooks' almost complete lack of adult cognitive skills is
> how these ignorant low-IQ uneducated iKooks react to facts about Apple.
>
> They only have 7 responses to all truths about Apple.
>
> The first few are to outright deny all facts about Apple and in doing so to
> blame Samsung for everything bad that Apple does - and then to distract and
> change the conversation to classic "whataboutism" (which they don't even
> know they're using since none of them has earned a high school GED even).
>
> HINT: Jolly Roger said he failed three times to attain his High School GED.
>
> If you look at Alan Baker, it's even worse than Alan Browne, where he has
> an IQ I estimate at about 40 which is why he has the honor of my killfile
> (along with Snit and Rod Speed and Joerg Lorenze) due to the fact he can't
> ever add value.
>
> What's interesting is people like Alan Baker whose IQ is less than half of
> normal, "think" they're geniuses - and yet - they're completely ignorant.
>
> As a simple example, Alan Baker doesn't know a bimmer from a beemer - which
> is OK as tons of people are completely ignorant of BMWs, but then Alan
> Baker swears he's a racer and owner of a BMW (which happens to be a
> bimmer).

I don't "swear" I'm a racer. I simply am a road racing driver (and race
driving instructor).

Here's me ahead of my good friend, Dave, as we go into turn 5 at Mission:

<https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JKCl0vH0S-4IRpWCJu9bsH06sHzChBMM/view?usp=share_link>

For the record, I'm the second fastest driver around Mission in Formula
F, just 0.25 seconds off the lap record.

:-)

Here's my previous car, in my paddock space, next to my trailer:

<https://drive.google.com/file/d/1OJQnv5oqXrgCc9AylGY1bs_fpjHN5J82/view?usp=share_link>

And here's my daily driver:

<https://drive.google.com/file/d/1f34NXfzxx56BmY3H50KKGA-2cOsX-Q7E/view?usp=share_link>

That's a 2012 BMW 135i MSport Edition.

>
> How can someone be _that_ ignorant when NOBODY who races and NOBODY who
> owns a bimmer or a beemer (I own both) would be _that_ completely clueless.

Sorry... ...I never heard a distinction made about those two terms.

On 2023-10-02 18:55, Oscar Mayer wrote:
> On Mon, 2 Oct 2023 10:12:50 -0500, candycanearter07 wrote:
>
>>> IAC, in some time in the near future, this will all be a memory.
>>>
>>
>> I actually didn't know that, that makes a lot of sense.
>
> There are very many instances of Apple not testing the hardware and/or
> software before making a big deal of their "big" release of the product.
>
> Apple Maps is one of them, but a whole bunch of iPhones had hardware issues
> that Apple didn't test for (the antenna, the power delivery, the modem).
>
> Thankfully the new bold colors WERE TESTED thoroughly - and were a hit!

All of that is just bullshit, Clown.

On 2023-10-02 18:15, candycanearter07 wrote:
> On 10/2/23 20:05, Wally J wrote:

>> Remember, people like Alan Browne have a low IQ so we have to dumb
>> down the
>> message for them - but if you want to take a look at my software,
>> there are
>> papers I've published that you might find my writing style in.
>>
>> Hell... some of those papers are in a completely different field than
>> software, since I have multiple degrees in vastly different arenas.
>>
>> Anyway, the point here is that we have to remember the iKooks aren't only
>> stupid - they're religious fanatics who are stupid.
>>
>> Sure, none of the iKooks has an IQ approaching normal (nospam's is
>> probably
>> about 80, and Alan Browne's ten points below that - with the rest like
>> Jolly Roger and Joerg Lorenze and Alan Baker half of what those are).
>>
>> Sure, none of the iKooks has any formal education, with Joerg Lorenz and
>> Jolly Roger and Alan Baker never having graduated even what we'd call
>> High
>> School in the USA - Jolly Roger tried three times for the GED & failed -
>> for example.
>
> Ouch, really?

No, not really.

This is Arlen, so what can you expect.

It is a fact that I graduated from Grade 13 High School in Ontario;
which is probably harder than any final year of high school anywhere in
the US. My final year subjects were:

Advanced Physics
Chemistry
Three maths (Advanced Calculus, Advanced Trigonometry, and I can't remember.
Music (played trumpet in the school concert/marching band and in the
dance band—we even got paid gigs).

I ask you to reevaluate your trust in what Arlen says in light of those
undeniable facts.

:-)