Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Nightfox to Moondog on Thu May 19 2022 09:55 am

> Aside from needing enough bandwidth, one thing with Chromebooks & similar th

I manage just shy of 1k Chromebooks at work. They will, indeed, function
without a 'Net connection, although you do need to have cached your documents
locally first. This is not the default behaviour, though.

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Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Belly to Nightfox on Thu May 19 2022 07:19 pm

>> Aside from needing enough bandwidth, one thing with Chromebooks &
>> similar th

Be> I manage just shy of 1k Chromebooks at work. They will, indeed, function
Be> without a 'Net connection, although you do need to have cached your
Be> documents locally first. This is not the default behaviour, though.

I thought pretty much all the software they ran was web-based though. Even if you cache your documents locally, do you have any way to open them without an internet connection?

Nightfox

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Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Nightfox to Moondog on Thu May 19 2022 09:55 am

> Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
> By: Moondog to MRO on Wed May 18 2022 09:38 pm
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> Mo> When a pc was treated like an remote island, you need all the resources
> Mo> be onhand. A terminals' apps and outside communications came in the for
> Mo> of a big box in the basement, and allowed others to leave internal mail
> Mo> send ort broadcast messages to the all the users or just one user. User
> Mo> were locked down from using external devices that could introduce a vir
>
> Mo> Chromebooks and Android desktops are great if you have the bandwidth.
> Mo> Again, apps are updated and managed from the source. Cloud storage allo
> Mo> for you to damage your device and not worry about lost data.
>
> Aside from needing enough bandwidth, one thing with Chromebooks & similar th
> y to do what I want to do.
>
> Nightfox
>
That is why so much effort is put into hardening business networks. Several
schools have moved to Chromebooks, and I know of one major appliance
manufacturer that dumped MS Office in favor of Google apps. That was a bold
move, mainly because of users being more familair with Office all these years
rather than bandwidth.

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Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Nightfox to Belly on Thu May 19 2022 07:39 pm

> I thought pretty much all the software they ran was web-based though. Even

Your Chrome apps get cached locally, just like extensions and such in the
Chrome browser. The devices do have local storage onboard. In fact, I have an
old Dell Chromebook at home that I flashed new firmware on, that runs Ubuntu.
It's one of my favorite little lappys. The SSD is only 16GB, but I keep a 32GB
SD card mounted for extra storage.

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Ni> Aside from needing enough bandwidth, one thing with Chromebooks &
Ni> similar that totally rely on online apps is if the connection is lost,
Ni> then you can't do any work.

All of the Google apps let you work offline.

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Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Moondog to Nightfox on Fri May 20 2022 02:02 am

Mo> That is why so much effort is put into hardening business networks.
Mo> Several schools have moved to Chromebooks, and I know of one major
Mo> appliance manufacturer that dumped MS Office in favor of Google apps. That
Mo> was a bold move, mainly because of users being more familair with Office
Mo> all these years rather than bandwidth.

Users being more familiar with Office than bandwidth? I'm not sure what you mean.

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Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Nightfox to Moondog on Sat May 21 2022 10:38 am

> Users being more familiar with Office than bandwidth? I'm not sure what you

I think Moondog was saying that the reason for it being a bold move was more to
do with user unfamiliarity, rather than the need for more bandwidth.

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Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Nightfox to Moondog on Sat May 21 2022 10:38 am

> Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
> By: Moondog to Nightfox on Fri May 20 2022 02:02 am
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> Mo> That is why so much effort is put into hardening business networks.
> Mo> Several schools have moved to Chromebooks, and I know of one major
> Mo> appliance manufacturer that dumped MS Office in favor of Google apps. T
> Mo> was a bold move, mainly because of users being more familair with Offic
> Mo> all these years rather than bandwidth.
>
> Users being more familiar with Office than bandwidth? I'm not sure what you
>
> Nightfox
>
My stream of thought must've dropped off. I think I meant to say bandwidth re
liant apps. Give someone who has used MS Office as their prime work tool an
alternate tool set like Google Apps, and some may adapt quickly while others
will struggle since it's not what they have always used. I even suspect ed a
few admins that used changes in software as excuses as to why they couldn't
get work done in time. Their bosses would crate nastygrams to our bosses,
they we'd have our network security guy take a peak at their browsing habits
and remote view them when they weren't aware. One user would ask why there's
an eyeball on the system tray?

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Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Belly to Nightfox on Sat May 21 2022 09:39 pm

> Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
> By: Nightfox to Moondog on Sat May 21 2022 10:38 am
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> > Users being more familiar with Office than bandwidth? I'm not sure what
>
> I think Moondog was saying that the reason for it being a bold move was more
> do with user unfamiliarity, rather than the need for more bandwidth.
>
> o
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> BeLLy
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Bingo. I lost my stream of though somewhere in editing that. Transitions
from Windows have been way easier than moving between Office upgrades. With
that knowledge, imagine how crazy it was to switch to something completely
different!

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Re: Re: Halt and Catch Fire
By: Moondog to Belly on Sun May 22 2022 09:15 am

Ah I watched all 4 seasons of Halt and Catch Fire before it was on Netflix.
Each season is sort of its own thing. I really liked Seasons 1 and 2. Season
2 mostly focuses on BBSs, well specificaly an online service called Mutiny run
on/for Commodore computers. It's clearly like Play Net, which became Quantum
Link, and eventually America Online.
My BBS (mutiny BBS) was set up i 2018 after I watched this season because I
liked having the idea of having a platform where you could write your own games
and have your users play them. Not that my BBS is trying to exactly mimic the
online service in this show but it inspired me to get off my butt and get the
BBS going.
I didn't much care for the last season personally, it was much more emotional
which some people might prefer.

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