Andy Burnelli wrote:
Typo on the narkive URL which is my fault so I correct below
as all we have for general purpose free search engines are...
groups.google.com/g/<name-of-usenet-ng>
<name-of-usenet-ng>.narkive.com

For example...
<https://alt.free.newsservers.narkive.com>
<https://alt.free.nntp.narkive.com>
<https://news.software.nntp.narkive.com>
<https://news.software.readers.narkive.com>
<https://comp.text.pdf.narkive.com>
<https://alt.comp.software.thunderbird.narkive.com>
<https://alt.comp.software.firefox.narkive.com>
<https://rec.photo.digital.narkive.com>
<https://rec.autos.tech.narkive.com>
<https://alt.home.repair.narkive.com>
<https://alt.comp.microsoft.windows.narkive.com>
<https://microsoft.public.windowsxp.general.narkive.com>
<https://alt.comp.os.windows-11.narkive.com>
<https://alt.comp.os.windows-10.narkive.com>
<https://alt.comp.os.windows-8.narkive.com>
<https://alt.windows7.general.narkive.com>
<https://alt.msdos.batch.narkive.com>
<https://alt.os.linux.narkive.com>
<https://comp.mobile.android.narkive.com>
<https://comp.mobile.ipad.narkive.com>
<https://misc.phone.mobile.iphone.narkive.com>
<https://alt.comp.freeware.narkive.com>
<https://comp.sys.mac.apps.narkive.com>
<https://comp.sys.mac.system.narkive.com>
<https://comp.sys.mac.advocacy.narkive.com>
<https://alt.internet.wireless.narkive.com>
<https://sci.electronics.repair.narkive.com>
<https://sci.geo.satellite-nav.narkive.com>
<https://sci.electronics.design.narkive.com>
<https://sci.electronics.equipment.narkive.com>
<https://sci.electronics.misc.narkive.com>
<https://alt.usage.english.narkive.com>
etc.

As always, every post should benefit as many people as possible so if you
know of other general purpose web-based permanent Usenet archives, please
add them so that everyone benefits from every action you take on Usenet.
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From: gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack)
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: trn Cmd: prompt
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2023 18:38:11 -0000 (UTC)
Organization: The official candy of the new Millennium
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X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test77 (Sep 1, 2010)
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I'm using trn version 4.something.

I accidentally hit backslash (\) while in the thread selector. This
brought me to a prompt of "Cmd:". I have no idea what sort of commands it
is looking for at this point. What is?

I couldn't find anything in "man trn" about this.

Note: Hitting ^G at this prompt makes it go away (with some kind of err msg).

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From: Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid>
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: [slrn] post article from command line?
Date: Tue, 16 May 2023 02:20:21 -0000 (UTC)
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Is there a way to use slrn to post an article to an nntp server from
the command line?

If not, is there some other command-line utilty to do that?

Python is removing NNTP support from the standard library, so my
simple "inews" workalike is gong to stop working unless I start
maintaining a Python NNTP implementation.

:/

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From: Sqwertz <sqwertzme@gmail.compost>
Subject: Re: Another Old Recipe - Ham Loaf
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On Tue, 30 May 2023 09:38:37 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> On 2023-05-29, Sqwertz <sqwertzme@gmail.compost> wrote:
>> On Mon, 29 May 2023 09:00:34 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>>> On 2023-05-29, Sqwertz <sqwertzme@gmail.compost> wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 28 May 2023 09:43:37 -0400, jmcquown wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> This one is written in my mom's handwriting on a very old small piece of
>>>>> paper scratch paper.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ham Loaf
>>>>>
>>>>> 1-1/2 lb. ground pork
>>>>> 1-1/2 lb. ground ham
>>>>> 1 c. breadcrumbs
>>>>> 1 c. milk
>>>>> 2 eggs, beaten
>>>>>
>>>>> Basting mixture:
>>>>> 1 c. brown sugar
>>>>> 1/4 c. vinegar
>>>>> teaspoon mustard
>>>>>
>>>>> Cook slow, burns easily. Baste loaf with mixture.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, I definitely don't remember this. LOL
>>>>
>>>> This was probably before city hams were "fully cooked" and "Ready
>>>> to eat".
>>>>
>>>> But it still sounds pretty horrible. "Cook slow" is an
>>>> interesting term by itself. Drop the "S" and it makes a little
>>>> more sense.
>>>
>>> It makes sense as is. Have you never hear of a "slow oven"?
>>>
>>> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/slow%20oven
>>
>> The recipe says nothing about an oven - unlike your term.
>
> It's a loaf. How else would a 1950s-1960s housewife cook it?

In a Dutch oven per it's time and place of origin. And it would
work better there than in an oven.

Detroit? nah.

-sw
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From: Sqwertz <sqwertzme@gmail.compost>
Subject: Re: stats 2023 1st half
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On Sun, 9 Jul 2023 12:10:54 +0200, Marco Moock wrote:

> Am 08.07.2023 um 16:00:52 Uhr schrieb Sqwertz:
>
>> If you realy want to quanitify this with stats that support your
>> shallow hypothesis, then look at overall traffic. Here's one
>> account, for example:
>>
>> https://www.newsdemon.com/usenet-newsgroup-feed-size
>
> This is mostly because the binary groups are used.
> Traffic on text groups become less over the years.

Thanks Captain Obvious!

-sw
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From: Jim the Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk>
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: Re: News reader?
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In article <uaqsji$2shkv$1@dont-email.me>, dieterhansbritz@gmail.com
says...
>
> I used to use pan and was happy with it, but it started acting
> up about a year or so ago, so I can no longer use it. I switched
> to Thunderbird (I work under Ubuntu Linux) and it's OK, but not
> as nice, I feel.
> Does anyone know what is wrong with pan?
> What other news readers are recommended?

Gravity, Dialog or Xnews.

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From: Jason Evans <jsevans@sdf.org>
Subject: Re: News reader?
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On 2023-08-07, db <dieterhansbritz@gmail.com> wrote:
> I used to use pan and was happy with it, but it started acting
> up about a year or so ago, so I can no longer use it. I switched
> to Thunderbird (I work under Ubuntu Linux) and it's OK, but not
> as nice, I feel.
> Does anyone know what is wrong with pan?
> What other news readers are recommended?

I use Pan and slrn. What does "acting up" mean? Which version are you using,
which OS?

Pan is the best graphical newsreader in Linux, IMHO. If you're using an old
version, then you're better off upgrading and seeing if that fixes whatever
issue you're having.

JE
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From: Sqwertz <sqwertzme@gmail.compost>
Subject: Re: block spam?
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On Fri, 8 Sep 2023 07:30:59 -0500, candycanearter07 wrote:

> Hi,
> Whats the best way to block spam on Thunderbird?

Use mail and news filters. Tools -> Message Filters

-sw
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From: Ralph Fox <-rf-nz-@-.invalid>
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: Re: blocking certain crosspost threads?
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On Tue, 19 Sep 2023 15:05:39 -0500, candycanearter07 wrote:

> Hi,
> Is there any way to block threads that crosspost to a specific group?
> There's a lot of political spam in comp.os.linux.advocacy that I don't
> want to see.
>
> Something like if any message crossposts to *politics would be nice.

That depends on the newsreader _and_ its version.

In Forté Agent versions 4.0 and later I can use this filter expression:

Newsgroups: politics

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Kind regards
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On 3/18/23 20:03, anonymous wrote:
> On 18 Mar 2023, SneedTheFeed <ManualNidal56@proton.me> posted some
> news:tv430s$2ek03$1@dont-email.me:
>
>> Question in title ^^^
>>
>> Sneed
>
> Hello,
>
> My name is Izoobody Nepherenetez and I am a general officer of the
> moorkhaph army. I am holding 350 million petoozuls and need a bank
> account number to deposit it in.
>
> If you wil provide yours temporarily, I will reward you handsomely.

I accept only €urop€sos

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From: Ralph Fox <-rf-nz-@-.invalid>
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
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On Mon, 9 Oct 2023 07:55:13 -0000 (UTC), Rene Kita wrote:

> Due to recent events I finally tried to filter Google Groups users with
> tin. I do not want to filter followups to posts from GG users.
>
> AFAIU GG posters have a Message-ID which always ends with
> '@googlegroups.com'.
>
> I have the following regex in my filter file:
> group=*
> case=0
> score=-25
> msgid=.*@googlegroups.com>
>
> The above filter entry does not match initial articles. I tried multiple
> versions, including using msgid_last and msgid_only, but could not
> achieve what I wanted. I did not spot a pattern what is matched.
>
> Can I somehow see what tin filters to debug this?
>
> Does someone here has a working filter and would share it?

This site is now a few years old, but its tin filter may still work.

"The Usenet Improvement Project - Filters Examples 3"
<http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/filters_ex3.html>

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Kind regards
Ralph Fox
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From: Russ Allbery <eagle@eyrie.org>
Newsgroups: news.software.readers,news.software.nntp
Subject: Re: betterbird: reading crossposts once?
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VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> writes:

> Except that only tells you (the client) in which newsgroups an article
> was cross-posted. You would still need the Message-ID value to find the
> matching article in each of those newsgroups. Searching takes time.

If a news reader needs the message ID to mark an article as read, it's
doing something fairly odd.

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Please post questions rather than mailing me directly.
<https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/faqs/questions.html> explains why.
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Jakob Bohm <jb-usenet@wisemo.com.invalid> wrote:
> On 2023-10-16 18:03, candycanearter07 wrote:
> > On 10/16/23 10:49, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> >> �� Neither do I, but it's just SMOP (Small Matter Of Programming). All
> >> you have to do is to remember all the hundred of thousands / millions of
> >> message-ids of the postings you've ever 'read'. How hard can *that* be!?
> >> :-)
> >
> > You could just scan for matching ids when you read an article. Or, maybe
> > you could limit it to the messages read in the last x days, to cut down
> > on processing time.
>
> A more practical optimization is to only retain a database of MIDs of
> messages that are marked "read" in actively kept message storage. Thus
> when a read message is "aged out" of storage, its "read" status is aged
> out too. To avoid old messages transiting in and out of view, keep a
> count of how many copies are marked read for each MID and count that
> down as messages age out. Once in a while, rebuild database from the
> stored messages and their "read" status, then do a second pass to mark
> duplicates of read messages as read. Bonus: Also index the body
> contents hash to catch identical multi-posting.

I said "hundred of thousands / millions of message-ids" for a reason.

I have well over a million articles in my "message storage". Keeping
that a amount of messages-ids is already not practical, but *scanning*
(for read/not_read status) them for each an every new (and old) article
is impossible.

But even if you don't keep (that) many articles in your message store,
when you add a new newsserver which has a long retention time, you *do*
have to scan all those articles, just in case there's one which you have
already marked as read.

That's why newsservers and newsreaders use article numbers instead of
message-ids. It makes things much more simple (actually possible instead
of impossible). But yes, it works only for a specific server, not
accross servers and when adding a new group or/and new server you should
only fetch the latest N articles (which is very simple using article
numbers).

Bottom line: Using article numbers is done for a very good reason.
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On 2023-10-18 20:35, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Jakob Bohm <jb-usenet@wisemo.com.invalid> wrote:
> [...]
>
>>
>> The goal with this proposal is to handle 2 real world situations:
>
> As I've mentioned before, but you've ignored, your proposal handles
> only *part* of the 'problems', only for relatively new not-seen
> articles, not for - probably older - other not-yet-seen articles.
>

And you keep refusing to understand any proposals that deal with
imperfect (not necessarily broken) servers.

> Having repeated that, let me comment on the "2 real world situations":
>
>> 1. Cross-posts to multiple newsgroups from one server.
>
> This is already handled by article-number ranges in .newsrc type
> files.
>
This assumes the server has similar but more costly logic to identify
cross-posted messages arriving at different times from different feeds.

> That Thunderbird et al inherit a design-flaw from their predecessors
> (as far back as Netscape Communicator or even further), does not change
> this. Fix Thunderbird et al or live with the flaw.
>

I am not referring to the "each newsgroup for itself" bug.

>> 2. Having multiple newsserver accounts in one xxBird configuration, such
>> as news.dotsrc.org (the old SunSite) and eternal-september.org .
>
> That's only relevant if one's primary NSP is shaky and you need
> another NSP in case as the primary one is down, misses articles, etc.,
> etc.. (Best) Solution: Get a proper NSP.

Given the decline of usenet, the need to use more than one NSP is more
likely to grow than decline. My example specifically mentioned two
volunteer run NSPs with good reputation but different inclusion
policies. Another example would be switching to a different NSP or a
different server at a single NSP while wanting to keep the "read" status
of messages already received from the previous NSP.

>
> But if you can't get a proper NSP, there's - as I mentioned several
> times - Hamster (for Windows) and Leafnode2 (for Linux and Unix-like
> OSs). That solves *both* the "2 real world situations".
>
That's an arrogant assumption, see above.

> Bottom line: 'Problems' solved. Next problem.
>

Enjoy

Jakob
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% wrote:

> 🌈💐🌻🌺🌹🌻💐🌷🌺🌈 Jen 🌈💐🌻🌺🌹🌻💐🌷🌺🌈 Dershmender 💐
🌻🌺🌹🌻💐🌷🌺🐶笛🌈💐🌻🌺🌹🌻💐🌷🌺🌈 wrote:
>> On Tue, 24 Oct 2023 17:54:47 +0100, LO AND BEHOLD; WARNING:
>> "Injection-Info: snipe.eternal-september.org" detected, therefore some
>> british guy who was apprehended by bobbies in Lancashire having been
>> accused of molesting several stones and pebbles in the area is on the
>> loose once again. He may possibly be spotted in his natural
>> environment of usenet ko0k froups demonstrating his UPA where he
>> pretends that he's a bird that somehow is also a telepathic/spiritual
>> conduit for a pet rock named Gordon that he purchased from a Roma
>> fortune teller while completely fscked on lsd in 1971. He presently
>> poasts his fascist and white supremacist-leaning sentiments using
>> upwards of 3 ridiculous nyms including: "snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe)"
>> DO NOT APPROACH HIM, as he has a pointy beak and is very very angry at
>> the way that the tide is turning for white privilege and he determined
>> that the following was of great importance and subsequently decided to
>> freely share it with us in
>> <1qj49pb.1c9zsvrqx83z9N%snipeco.2@gmail.com>:
>>
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>> =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=✡=?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?
=✡killfile✡their✡known✡users.
>> =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=✡
>> =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=✡Good✡advice.✡
>> =?UTF-8?B?8J+Ps++4j+KAjfCfjIg=?=✡
>>
>> Another solution is shown below:
>>
> salute this

Wh…what in the goddamn fuck is happening here??

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candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
> On 10/28/23 12:39, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> > Kenny McCormack <gazelle@shell.xmission.com> wrote:
> >> In article <ugp8lf$3q3jp$1@dont-email.me>,
> >> candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
> >> ...
> >>>> To all: This is just an off-topic warning. Please move any responses
> >>>> to an appropriate group. Thanks.
> >>
> >> Since this newsgroup is about newsreaders and Thunderbird is (can be) a
> >> newsreader, then this would be on-topic here.
> >
> > My post was to comp.mobile.android, hence my comment about it being
> > off-topic.
> >
> > candycanearter07 responded to my post, but *changed* comp.mobile.android
> > to news.software.readers, instead of *adding* it (and adding a
> > Followup-To), so it was unclear that the discussion came from somewhere
> > else, let alone from where.
> >
> >> Note, however, that I don't use Thunderbird for news; only mail, but still,
> >> see my comments below.
> >
> > As I mentioned, please see the existing threads in the Windows groups,
> > mostly alt.comp.os.windows-10. There's also a specific group for
> > Thunderbird (alt.comp.software.thunderbird). I see that you probably use
> > Linux/Unix. If so, the latter group may be better for you.
> >
> > [...]
>
> Sorry

No problem. Your 'error' was already covered in comp.mobile.android,
but Kenny didn't/couldn't know that, so I explained what happened.

BTW, when responding, please respond at the point where your comment
applies, not at the bottom. For many (most?) people, bottom-posting is
even worse than top-posting, because they have to scroll past text which
they probably have seen very recently. In most cases, interleaved
posting (quote, response, quote. response) is the best way.

So in this case, your comment should have come after your quote of my
"candycanearter07 responded ..." paragraph and you should have deleted
the rest, because it's not relevant to my or your comment.

Keep watching what others do and you'll get there.
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On Fri, 3rd Nov 2023 17:10:10 +0000, Retro Guy wrote:

[Group(s) with status "Postingallowed"=FALSE]
> Updated the group list but no change.

As a next step I'd set up a second connection to the same server,
using identical settings, login credentials and the like. - Just a
different (40tude Dialog internal) name, to keep both connections
apart.

See, whether the new connection leads to the same read-only status
of groups. If so, maybe contact the Usenet provider about it.

Bernd