This was just posted on the Windows newsgroups, but it applies equally to
those on these specialty newsgroups who search before they ask questions.
*Google Groups Archives for this newsgroup*

Paul wrote:

> Google Groups stopped adding groups, some time ago.
>
> It has added a ton of its own private groups.
> Which nobody cares about.

Hi Paul,

I often run a search before asking questions, and when researching
issues to help answer others, so I've been involved in this for years.

I think your assumption is not quite accurate, as I have been using Google
Groups archival links for many years, but I didn't do any explicit research
so it's just my "experienced assumption" that Google _does_ add groups.

They're just extremely selective about which groups they bother to add. :)

In fact, on this very newsgroup we _created_ the tinyurl links of the past:
<alt.usage.english>
<news.software.readers>
<alt.free.newsservers>
<rec.photo.digital>
<rec.autos.tech>
<alt.home.repair>
<alt.comp.microsoft.windows>
<microsoft.public.windowsxp.general>
<alt.comp.os.windows-11>
<alt.comp.os.windows-10>
<alt.comp.os.windows-8>
<alt.windows7.general>
<alt.msdos.batch>
<alt.os.linux>
<comp.mobile.android>
<comp.mobile.ipad>
<misc.phone.mobile.iphone>
<alt.comp.freeware>
etc.

Which was well before Google changed their archival links to something easy
to remember, but when the "N" archives used exactly those monikers, namely:
<https://alt.usage.english.narchive.com>
<https://alt.free.newsservers.narchive.com>
<https://news.software.readers.narchive.com>
<https://rec.photo.digital.narchive.com>
<https://rec.autos.tech.narchive.com>
<https://alt.home.repair.narchive.com>
<https://alt.comp.microsoft.windows.narchive.com>
<https://microsoft.public.windowsxp.general.narchive.com>
<https://alt.comp.os.windows-11.narchive.com>
<https://alt.comp.os.windows-10.narchive.com>
<https://alt.comp.os.windows-8.narchive.com>
<https://alt.windows7.general.narchive.com>
<https://alt.msdos.batch.narchive.com>
<https://alt.os.linux.narchive.com>
<https://comp.mobile.android.narchive.com>
<https://comp.mobile.ipad.narchive.com>
<https://misc.phone.mobile.iphone.narchive.com>
<https://alt.comp.freeware.narchive.com>
etc.

What I had created were tinyurl links which were the best I could do then:
<https://tinyurl.com/alt-usage-english>
<https://tinyurl.com/news-software-readers>
<https://tinyurl.com/alt-free-newsservers>
<https://tinyurl.com/rec-photo-digital>
<https://tinyurl.com/rec-autos-tech>
<https://tinyurl.com/alt-home-repair>
<https://tinyurl.com/alt-comp-microsoft-windows>
<https://tinyurl.com/microsoft-public-windowsxp-gen> (30-character limit)
I also had created an easier URL:<https://tinyurl.com/windowsxp-general>
<alt.comp.os.windows-11> At the time this didn't exist for me to set up
<https://tinyurl.com/alt-comp-os-windows-10>
<https://tinyurl.com/alt-comp-os-windows-8>
<https://tinyurl.com/alt-comp-os-windows-7>
<https://tinyurl.com/alt-windows7-general>
<https://tinyurl.com/alt-msdos-batch>
<https://tinyurl.com/alt-os-linux>
<https://tinyurl.com/comp-mobile-android>
<https://tinyurl.com/comp-mobile-ipad>
<https://tinyurl.com/misc-phone-mobile-iphone>
<https://tinyurl.com/alt-comp-freeware>
etc.

Note these are all so old they link to the now-deprecated Google Groups
which had recently been DejaNews archived at that time of formation:
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/alt.usage.english>
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/news.software.readers>
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/alt.free.newsservers>
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/rec.photo.digital>
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/rec.autos.tech>
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/alt.home.repair>
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/alt.comp.microsoft.windows>
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general>
<alt.comp.os.windows-11> At the time this didn't exist for me to set up
<http://www.pcbanter.net/forumdisplay.php?f=52> for Windows 10
<http://www.pcbanter.net/forumdisplay.php?f=50> for Windows-8
<http://www.pcbanter.net/forumdisplay.php?f=48> for Windows-7
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/alt.msdos.batch>
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/alt.os.linux>
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/comp.mobile.android>
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/comp.mobile.ipad>
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/misc.phone.mobile.iphone>
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/alt.comp.freeware>
etc.

Which, after the great reshuffling, currently boil down to the following
much easier to remember and logically derived Google Groups search links:
<https://groups.google.com/g/alt.usage.english>
<https://groups.google.com/g/news.software.readers>
<https://groups.google.com/g/alt.free.newsservers>
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.photo.digital>
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.autos.tech>
<https://groups.google.com/g/alt.home.repair>
<https://groups.google.com/g/alt.comp.microsoft.windows>
<https://groups.google.com/g/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general>
<alt.comp.os.windows-11>
<alt.comp.os.windows-10>
<alt.comp.os.windows-8>
<alt.windows7.general>
<https://groups.google.com/g/alt.msdos.batch>
<https://groups.google.com/g/alt.os.linux>
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android>
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.ipad>
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone>
<https://groups.google.com/g/alt.comp.freeware>
etc.

In summary, I "think" Google _does_ add groups when _they_ see fit.
They just do NOT see fit to add Windows variants as archived groups.
--
Posted out of the goodness of my heart to disseminate useful information
which, in this case, is to faithfully elucidate group search archival URLs.

Frank Miller wrote:

>> Everybody complains about the weather but nobody does a thing about it.
>> What do you know that's better for searching usenet articles?
>> David Knight?
>
> I think you mean Howard Knight.. http://al.howardknight.net/

I never log into the google groups search engine where it used to be that
you could get the headers, including the message-id, without logging in.

But now you can't get the headers anymore - and I never log into Google
Groups so I don't know if even logging in provides those headers.

Does it?

If someone has logged into the groups.google.com/g/<name of usenet ng>,
can you let the rest of us know if the all-important message-id is given?

Without that all-important message-id, I don't think Howard Knight is
useful as a search engine to provide links for others to follow, is it?

Tuesday, Andy Burnelli murmurred ...
> Frank Miller wrote:
>
>>> Everybody complains about the weather but nobody does a thing about it.
>>> What do you know that's better for searching usenet articles?
>>> David Knight?
>>
>> I think you mean Howard Knight.. http://al.howardknight.net/
>
> I never log into the google groups search engine where it used to be that you
> could get the headers, including the message-id, without logging in.
>
> But now you can't get the headers anymore - and I never log into Google
> Groups so I don't know if even logging in provides those headers.
>
> Does it?
>
> If someone has logged into the groups.google.com/g/<name of usenet ng>, can
> you let the rest of us know if the all-important message-id is given?
>
> Without that all-important message-id, I don't think Howard Knight is useful
> as a search engine to provide links for others to follow, is it?

I don't see a way to display headers. The "Show original message"
option is still in the per-message hamburger, but it's been grayed out.
ISTR a tick by the author's name would show some headers, but that's
all the way gone.

The search box doesn't find the message-id. For that matter, the
"Advanced search" dialog has lost several options from just a couple
years ago. "Does not have" is missing, for instance.

There may well be an operator to use in the searchbox that will find
the message-id, but finding that may be a herculean task .... I tried
a couple of guesses but was unsuccessful.

SWAG: since GG has all sorts of statistics, and probably doesn't have
the top code maintainers, they may have looked at what searches happen
in GG and dumped the ones that require more than new-hire skills to
implement.

[I'm pretty sure they have Message-ID field in their database, to use
for threading the messages.]

/dps

--
https://xkcd.com/2704

On 29/03/23 19:49, Snidely wrote:
> Tuesday, Andy Burnelli murmurred ...
>> Frank Miller wrote:
>>
>>>> Everybody complains about the weather but nobody does a thing
>>>> about it. What do you know that's better for searching usenet
>>>> articles? David Knight?
>>>
>>> I think you mean Howard Knight.. http://al.howardknight.net/
>>
>> I never log into the google groups search engine where it used to
>> be that you could get the headers, including the message-id,
>> without logging in.
>>
>> But now you can't get the headers anymore - and I never log into
>> Google Groups so I don't know if even logging in provides those
>> headers.
>>
>> Does it?
>>
>> If someone has logged into the groups.google.com/g/<name of usenet
>> ng>, can you let the rest of us know if the all-important
>> message-id is given?
>>
>> Without that all-important message-id, I don't think Howard Knight
>> is useful as a search engine to provide links for others to follow,
>> is it?
>
> I don't see a way to display headers. The "Show original message"
> option is still in the per-message hamburger, but it's been grayed
> out. ISTR a tick by the author's name would show some headers, but
> that's all the way gone.
>
> The search box doesn't find the message-id. For that matter, the
> "Advanced search" dialog has lost several options from just a couple
> years ago. "Does not have" is missing, for instance.
>
> There may well be an operator to use in the searchbox that will find
> the message-id, but finding that may be a herculean task .... I
> tried a couple of guesses but was unsuccessful.
>
> SWAG: since GG has all sorts of statistics, and probably doesn't
> have the top code maintainers, they may have looked at what searches
> happen in GG and dumped the ones that require more than new-hire
> skills to implement.
>
> [I'm pretty sure they have Message-ID field in their database, to use
> for threading the messages.]

Do they still do threading? I know GG used to have a threaded view, but
the last time I looked that option was missing. I think all articles now
are grouped by Subject:, not by thread.

Probably because it was useless to everyone. The indentation was so
small that you couldn't easily tell when a subthread started and stopped.

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

Andy Burns wrote:

>> If someone has logged into the groups.google.com/g/<name of usenet ng>,
>> can you let the rest of us know if the all-important message-id is given?
>
> No, but you used to.
> Even if logged-in, and even if joined the group (whatever that means)
> you can't see headers, because you don't have "view member email
> permission" which may be meaningful for a google group but obviously not
> for a usenet group. I suspect google would ignore any question related
> to permissions, or need "the owner" of the group to give permission, at
> which point they've lost the plot ...

Thanks for testing the headers, Andy, as you're credible so I believe you.
Without the message-id, we can't really use Howard Knight, afaict.

This means we have precious few ways of running a general search of the
permanent Usenet archives (other than groups.google.com & narkive.com).

Other than relying on those two and/or the largesse of your nntp server
(or even your own downloads of articles & headers), if anyone knows of a
better general purpose Usenet server search mechanism, please elucidate.

Den 29.03.2023 kl. 21.57 skrev Andy Burnelli:

> Other than relying on those two and/or the largesse of your nntp server
> (or even your own downloads of articles & headers), if anyone knows of a
> better general purpose Usenet server search mechanism, please elucidate.

We need Deja-News.

--
Bertel, Denmark

Andy Burnelli wrote:
Typo on the narkive URL which is my fault so I correct below
as all we have for general purpose free search engines are...
groups.google.com/g/<name-of-usenet-ng>
<name-of-usenet-ng>.narkive.com

For example...
<https://alt.free.newsservers.narkive.com>
<https://alt.free.nntp.narkive.com>
<https://news.software.nntp.narkive.com>
<https://news.software.readers.narkive.com>
<https://comp.text.pdf.narkive.com>
<https://alt.comp.software.thunderbird.narkive.com>
<https://alt.comp.software.firefox.narkive.com>
<https://rec.photo.digital.narkive.com>
<https://rec.autos.tech.narkive.com>
<https://alt.home.repair.narkive.com>
<https://alt.comp.microsoft.windows.narkive.com>
<https://microsoft.public.windowsxp.general.narkive.com>
<https://alt.comp.os.windows-11.narkive.com>
<https://alt.comp.os.windows-10.narkive.com>
<https://alt.comp.os.windows-8.narkive.com>
<https://alt.windows7.general.narkive.com>
<https://alt.msdos.batch.narkive.com>
<https://alt.os.linux.narkive.com>
<https://comp.mobile.android.narkive.com>
<https://comp.mobile.ipad.narkive.com>
<https://misc.phone.mobile.iphone.narkive.com>
<https://alt.comp.freeware.narkive.com>
<https://comp.sys.mac.apps.narkive.com>
<https://comp.sys.mac.system.narkive.com>
<https://comp.sys.mac.advocacy.narkive.com>
<https://alt.internet.wireless.narkive.com>
<https://sci.electronics.repair.narkive.com>
<https://sci.geo.satellite-nav.narkive.com>
<https://sci.electronics.design.narkive.com>
<https://sci.electronics.equipment.narkive.com>
<https://sci.electronics.misc.narkive.com>
<https://alt.usage.english.narkive.com>
etc.

As always, every post should benefit as many people as possible so if you
know of other general purpose web-based permanent Usenet archives, please
add them so that everyone benefits from every action you take on Usenet.
--
Posted out of the goodness of my heart to disseminate useful information
which, in this case, is to faithfully try to help everyone with searches.

Bertel Lund Hansen <gadekryds@lundhansen.dk> wrote:

> Den 29.03.2023 kl. 21.57 skrev Andy Burnelli:
>
> > Other than relying on those two and/or the largesse of your nntp server
> > (or even your own downloads of articles & headers), if anyone knows of a
> > better general purpose Usenet server search mechanism, please elucidate.
>
> We need Deja-News.

Yes.

IMO when Goggle borged DejaNews marks the moment they became evil.

--
^Ï^. – Sn!pe – My pet rock Gordon just is.

<https://youtu.be/_kqytf31a8E>

On Wed, 29 Mar 2023 20:57:14 +0100, Andy Burnelli <nospam@nospam.net>
wrote:

>Andy Burns wrote:
>
>>> If someone has logged into the groups.google.com/g/<name of usenet ng>,
>>> can you let the rest of us know if the all-important message-id is given?
>>
>> No, but you used to.
>> Even if logged-in, and even if joined the group (whatever that means)
>> you can't see headers, because you don't have "view member email
>> permission" which may be meaningful for a google group but obviously not
>> for a usenet group. I suspect google would ignore any question related
>> to permissions, or need "the owner" of the group to give permission, at
>> which point they've lost the plot ...
>
>Thanks for testing the headers, Andy, as you're credible so I believe you.
>Without the message-id, we can't really use Howard Knight, afaict.
>
>This means we have precious few ways of running a general search of the
>permanent Usenet archives (other than groups.google.com & narkive.com).
>
>Other than relying on those two and/or the largesse of your nntp server
>(or even your own downloads of articles & headers), if anyone knows of a
>better general purpose Usenet server search mechanism, please elucidate.

I get my posts from Giganews, which -- IIRC -- promises to keep
text groups forever -- though they did not start at the start like
DejaNews.

In Forte, I have occasionally looked at the headers and clicked
on a message ID to pull up the referenced article. Forte seaches
on my disk, then can go online. I haven't tried that for anything
known to be really old.

The Wiki article on GigaNews says, "Giganews offers more than
three years of article retention in binary groups and eight years
in text groups." - That statement has a citation is now unavailble,
but which was downloaded in 2014. As I interpret that, the
GigaNews repository is thus dated as at least as early as 2006.
That's about when I started using Giganews.

--
Rich Ulrich

On 2023-03-29 14:25, Andy Burnelli wrote:
> Andy Burnelli wrote:
> Typo on the narkive URL which is my fault so I correct below
> as all we have for general purpose free search engines are...
> groups.google.com/g/<name-of-usenet-ng>
> <name-of-usenet-ng>.narkive.com
> For example...
> <https://alt.free.newsservers.narkive.com>
> <https://alt.free.nntp.narkive.com>
> <https://news.software.nntp.narkive.com>
> <https://news.software.readers.narkive.com>
> <https://comp.text.pdf.narkive.com>
> <https://alt.comp.software.thunderbird.narkive.com>
> <https://alt.comp.software.firefox.narkive.com>
> <https://rec.photo.digital.narkive.com>
> <https://rec.autos.tech.narkive.com>
> <https://alt.home.repair.narkive.com>
> <https://alt.comp.microsoft.windows.narkive.com>
> <https://microsoft.public.windowsxp.general.narkive.com>
> <https://alt.comp.os.windows-11.narkive.com>
> <https://alt.comp.os.windows-10.narkive.com>
> <https://alt.comp.os.windows-8.narkive.com>
> <https://alt.windows7.general.narkive.com>
> <https://alt.msdos.batch.narkive.com>
> <https://alt.os.linux.narkive.com>
> <https://comp.mobile.android.narkive.com>
> <https://comp.mobile.ipad.narkive.com>
> <https://misc.phone.mobile.iphone.narkive.com>
> <https://alt.comp.freeware.narkive.com>
> <https://comp.sys.mac.apps.narkive.com>
> <https://comp.sys.mac.system.narkive.com>
> <https://comp.sys.mac.advocacy.narkive.com>
> <https://alt.internet.wireless.narkive.com>
> <https://sci.electronics.repair.narkive.com>
> <https://sci.geo.satellite-nav.narkive.com>
> <https://sci.electronics.design.narkive.com>
> <https://sci.electronics.equipment.narkive.com>
> <https://sci.electronics.misc.narkive.com>
> <https://alt.usage.english.narkive.com>

What am I missing? I see no way to search the archive.

> etc.
>
> As always, every post should benefit as many people as possible so if you
> know of other general purpose web-based permanent Usenet archives, please
> add them so that everyone benefits from every action you take on Usenet.

--
I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous.

Den 29.03.2023 kl. 23.14 skrev Sn!pe:

>> We need Deja-News.
>
> Yes.
>
> IMO when Goggle borged DejaNews marks the moment they became evil.

No, that happened later. In the beginning Google supplied the same
services as deja-News had done.

--
Bertel, Denmark

Bertel Lund Hansen <gadekryds@lundhansen.dk> wrote:

> Den 29.03.2023 kl. 23.14 skrev Sn!pe:
>
> >> We need Deja-News.
> >
> > Yes.
> >
> > IMO when Goggle borged DejaNews marks the moment
> > they became evil.
>
> No, that happened later. In the beginning Google supplied the same
> services as deja-News had done.

Yes, but not for long; although the real sins were when they tried
to annex Usenet with Goggle Groups, then failed to maintain the
Deja search facility properly.

--
^Ï^. – Sn!pe – My pet rock Gordon just is.

<https://youtu.be/_kqytf31a8E>

On 30/03/23 19:52, Sn!pe wrote:
> Bertel Lund Hansen <gadekryds@lundhansen.dk> wrote:
>
>> Den 29.03.2023 kl. 23.14 skrev Sn!pe:
>>
>>>> We need Deja-News.
>>>
>>> Yes.
>>>
>>> IMO when Goggle borged DejaNews marks the moment they became
>>> evil.
>>
>> No, that happened later. In the beginning Google supplied the same
>> services as deja-News had done.
>
> Yes, but not for long; although the real sins were when they tried to
> annex Usenet with Goggle Groups, then failed to maintain the Deja
> search facility properly.

For a long time there they seemed to have nobody who knew how to design
a search engine.

--
Peter Moylan Newcastle, NSW http://www.pmoylan.org

lar3ryca wrote:

> What am I missing? I see no way to search the archive.

Hmmmm... I am no fan of either the groups.google.com/g/name.of.ng or the
name.of.ng.narkive.com mechanism, but both "should" run a basic search.

If I click on "Display Options", more stuff comes up, but not the search.

Going to <https://alt.free.newsservers.narkive.com> to test your findings,
I see what you mean. What happened to their "search" button lately?

Thank you for pointing that out as I looked about and didn't see it either.

Apparently you can "register an account" but that's not the point here.
<https://narkive.com/about>
<https://narkive.com/privacy>
<https://narkive.com/legalese>

I sent an email asking for what happened to the search button.
"Narkive was started in late 2009 by then 17-year-old me (Davide Cavion)
and has since then always been a one man operation (david @ narkive com).

Hacking, I guess we could add "site:narkive.com" to a search engine as
I'm going to agree with you that I can't find the search button anymore.
<https://duckduckgo.com/?va=u&t=hi&q=lar3ryca+site%253Anarkive.com>
<https://www.google.com/search?q=lar3ryca+site%253Anarkive.com>
<https://www.google.com/search?q=lar3ryca+alt.free.newsservers+site%253Anarkive.com>

Sigh. We're left with dejagoogle alone for a _direct_ free general purpose
registration free Usenet search engine then... unless you have better ideas
(where I'm aware every nntp server provides their own private archives).

I apologize for my mistake in not testing the narkive (mostly I use the
dejagoogle archives when I need to find & then link to a specific thread).
--
Posted out of the goodness of my heart to disseminate useful information
which, in this case, is to faithfully test out the narkive search finding.

Bertel Lund Hansen <gadekryds@lundhansen.dk> writes:
> Den 29.03.2023 kl. 23.14 skrev Sn!pe:
>>> We need Deja-News.
>
>> Yes.
>> IMO when Goggle borged DejaNews marks the moment they became
>> evil.
>
> No, that happened later. In the beginning Google supplied the same
> services as deja-News had done.

When A happened, some - many in my sphere - were saying B would
*inevitably* happen. If you're saying that the bad thing only happened at
the point where B happened, then you are naive, and really have no right
to pontificate, as you clearly have no understanding how the real world
works.

Fuck, I bet you believed that *do no evil* crap too.

Phil
--
We are no longer hunters and nomads. No longer awed and frightened, as we have
gained some understanding of the world in which we live. As such, we can cast
aside childish remnants from the dawn of our civilization.
-- NotSanguine on SoylentNews, after Eugen Weber in /The Western Tradition/

Den 01.04.2023 kl. 11.47 skrev Phil Carmody:

> When A happened, some - many in my sphere - were saying B would
> *inevitably* happen. If you're saying that the bad thing only happened at
> the point where B happened, then you are naive, and really have no right
> to pontificate, as you clearly have no understanding how the real world
> works.
>
> Fuck, I bet you believed that *do no evil* crap too.

[Straightening the little hair I have left]

What happened? ...

--
Bertel, Denmark

Frank Miller wrote:

>> Everybody complains about the weather but nobody does a thing about it.
>> What do you know that's better for searching usenet articles?
>> David Knight?
>
> I think you mean Howard Knight.. http://al.howardknight.net/

I never log into the google groups search engine where it used to be that
you could get the headers, including the message-id, without logging in.

But now you can't get the headers anymore - and I never log into Google
Groups so I don't know if even logging in provides those headers.

Does it?

If someone has logged into the groups.google.com/g/<name of usenet ng>,
can you let the rest of us know if the all-important message-id is given?

Without that all-important message-id, I don't think Howard Knight is
useful as a search engine to provide links for others to follow, is it?
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[Please do not mail me a copy of your followup]

Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> spake the secret code
<eli$2304181836@qaz.wtf> thusly:

>In news.software.readers, Richard <> wrote:
>> posting updates to trn-workers mailing list:
>> <https://sourceforge.net/p/trn/mailman/>
>
>I'm subscribed, but I've been a bit lax about reading it.

I saw that you'd submitted some PR's to acli's fork which I've merged
into my fork.

You're not missing much on trn-workers, just me posting progress
updates :)
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Sqwertz <sqwertzme@gmail.compost> wrote:
> On Mon, 08 May 2023 16:36:58 -0400, Benjamin Esham wrote:
[...]
> I'm not a LISP guy, but are you by chance scoring on article
> headers (or the article body) that are not available until the
> whole article is retrieved?
>
> News servers only dish out a subset of article headers when
> getting a list of articles for perusal and initial scoring(*).
> Only when the entire article is retrieved for full viewing can it
> be scored on "non-XOVER" headers (or the body text).
>
> (*) To see the list of headers your news server provides
> initially, telnet into your news server (usually at port 119, at
> least) and give it a "list overview.fmt" command.
>
> Doubtful you're on Windows 1[0-1], but if you are it would look
> something like this:
>
> Microsoft Windows [Version 10.0.19044.2965]
> (c) Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
>
> C:\Users\Sqwertz>telnet usnews.blocknews.net 119
> 'telnet' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
> operable program or batch file.
>
> C:\Users\Sqwertz>pkgmgr /iu:"TelnetClient"
>
> C:\Users\Sqwertz>telnet usnews.blocknews.net 119
> 'telnet' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
> operable program or batch file.

On Windows - also on 10 and 11 - you can still enable Telnet:

Control Panel -> Programs -> Programs and Features -> Turn Windows
features on and off. Towards the bottom of the list there is 'Telnet
Client' with a tick-box.

> C:\Users\Sqwertz>cmd.exe
> 'cmd.exe' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
> operable program or batch file.

Hmmm!? Strange! Apparently C:\WINDOWS\system32 is not in your Path
variable.

Are you using a Windows Terminal window instead of a Command Prompt
window? (I only use the latter.)

> C:\Users\Sqwertz>command.com
> 'command.com' is not recognized as an internal or external
> command, operable program or batch file.

IIRC, command.com is from the pre-/non-NT era.

> C:\Users\Sqwertz>fuck you
> 'fuck' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
> operable program or batch file.
>
> So it's a good thing you're not using Windows, eh?

Well, I'm running tin and Hamster on Windows, so ... :-)
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Subject: Re: Agent?
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On Wed, 17 May 2023 16:26:29 -0000 (UTC), Richard wrote:

> [Please do not mail me a copy of your followup]
>
> Sqwertz <sqwertzme@gmail.compost> spake the secret code
> <23pxu201fzj7$.dlg@sqwertz.com> thusly:
>
>>See?
>>
>>And what was the purpose of this contradictory hoopla?
>
> You stated that there was no CRLF continuation line in the header, but
> there was. The raw log dump was removing the possibility that it was
> being reflowed/reformatted by my news reader.
>
> As has been pointed out by others in this thread, the article contains
> a continuation line (CRLF followed by whitespace) on many servers. I
> suppose it's possible that one server could remove the fold and store
> it as one single physical line, although I don't see why this would be
> of any benefit as there are still physical line length limits
> specified in the RFC for usenet messages (which is why continuation
> lines are allowed in the first place).
>
> The suggested physical line length limitation is there to allow
> processing software to use fixed-length buffers for a line and not
> have to dynamically resize the buffers during processing.

Uh, the 'contradictory hoopla' was your uber-annoying mail
headers.

Never mind.

What a waste of time. Beam me out of here, Scotty!

-sw
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Tuesday, Andy Burnelli murmurred ...
> Frank Miller wrote:
>
>>> Everybody complains about the weather but nobody does a thing about it.
>>> What do you know that's better for searching usenet articles?
>>> David Knight?
>>
>> I think you mean Howard Knight.. http://al.howardknight.net/
>
> I never log into the google groups search engine where it used to be that you
> could get the headers, including the message-id, without logging in.
>
> But now you can't get the headers anymore - and I never log into Google
> Groups so I don't know if even logging in provides those headers.
>
> Does it?
>
> If someone has logged into the groups.google.com/g/<name of usenet ng>, can
> you let the rest of us know if the all-important message-id is given?
>
> Without that all-important message-id, I don't think Howard Knight is useful
> as a search engine to provide links for others to follow, is it?

I don't see a way to display headers. The "Show original message"
option is still in the per-message hamburger, but it's been grayed out.
ISTR a tick by the author's name would show some headers, but that's
all the way gone.

The search box doesn't find the message-id. For that matter, the
"Advanced search" dialog has lost several options from just a couple
years ago. "Does not have" is missing, for instance.

There may well be an operator to use in the searchbox that will find
the message-id, but finding that may be a herculean task .... I tried
a couple of guesses but was unsuccessful.

SWAG: since GG has all sorts of statistics, and probably doesn't have
the top code maintainers, they may have looked at what searches happen
in GG and dumped the ones that require more than new-hire skills to
implement.

[I'm pretty sure they have Message-ID field in their database, to use
for threading the messages.]

/dps

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From: Sqwertz <sqwertzme@gmail.compost>
Subject: Re: Agent?
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On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 15:45:00 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman wrote:

> Sqwertz <sqwertzme@gmail.compost> wrote:
>>On Tue, 11 Apr 2023 03:42:39 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>
>>> dale <dale@dalekelly.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I think I recall that Agent limits lines to 80 characters.
>>>
>>>>That limits crossposting?
>>>
>>>>Can I make a Template with the groups I usually crosspost to that are
>>>>80 characters or less?
>>>
>>>>Drafts don't stick around.
>>>
>>> Look at a very long header line in the article you just posted.
>>>
>>> Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-
>>> host="787a4ab25f0a133c5765202b0f678345";
>>> logging-data="2517897"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-
>>> september.org"; posting-
>>> account="U2FsdGVkX19mLgSdh1QrlwytGPjRrq0XChNQYhfsCW4="
>>>
>>> The continuation lines just start with a whitespace character.
>>>
>>> The newsreader will figure it out without intervention.
>>
>>That's actually one continuous line in the raw article's headers.
>>*Your* newsreader added the whitespace for legibility at your end.
>>And that line was added by the server, not the news reader/client.
>
> I looked at the text. I see a continuation line beginning with a tab
> character.

No the line looks exactly like this: (without the ">").

> Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="787a4ab25f0a133c5765202b0f678345"; logging-data="2517897"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19mLgSdh1QrlwytGPjRrq0XChNQYhfsCW4="

But of course your newsreader probably just reformatted that,
too). There are no CR's or LF's in NNTP headers.
And it was added by the news server *after* Agent sent it.

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From: Ralph Fox <-rf-nz-@-.invalid>
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Subject: Re: Agent?
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On Thu, 11 May 2023 18:56:20 -0500, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Mon, 01 May 2023 06:47:20 +1200, Ralph Fox wrote:
>>
>> The physical header Adam was referring to WAS formatted as Adam described.
>> With a CRLF followed by a tab character.
>> Screen-shot: <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=26_xm23wc4fq79h__folded-header-line.gif>
>
> No, it's not. The raw data from my news server does not include a
> CR-LF-TAB. And I seriously doubt your news server or an
> intermediary reformatted it. Or that my news server reformatted
> it just to make a fool of me. (On second thought, hmmm...)

Here is the log from PuTTY connected to news.neodome.net port 119.
I do not use neodome normally.
But I could reproduce this with neodome and no login. So you can too.

| =~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~= PuTTY log 2023.05.13 19:55:59 =~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=
| 200 news.neodome.net InterNetNews NNRP server INN 2.6.3 ready (posting ok)
| GROUP news.software.readers
| 211 889 1536 2425 news.software.readers
| ARTICLE <vie93i9c0r63bv36e89g79o5o588mi98b1@4ax.com>
| 220 0 <vie93i9c0r63bv36e89g79o5o588mi98b1@4ax.com> article
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| From: dale <dale@dalekelly.org>
| Newsgroups: news.software.readers
| Subject: Agent?
| Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2023 21:43:34 -0400
| Organization: https://www.dalekelly.org
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|
| I think I recall that Agent limits lines to 80 characters.
|
| That limits crossposting?
|
| Can I make a Template with the groups I usually crosspost to that are
| 80 characters or less?
|
| Drafts don't stick around.
|
| .
| QUIT
| 205 Bye!

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Kind regards
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On 29/03/23 19:49, Snidely wrote:
> Tuesday, Andy Burnelli murmurred ...
>> Frank Miller wrote:
>>
>>>> Everybody complains about the weather but nobody does a thing
>>>> about it. What do you know that's better for searching usenet
>>>> articles? David Knight?
>>>
>>> I think you mean Howard Knight.. http://al.howardknight.net/
>>
>> I never log into the google groups search engine where it used to
>> be that you could get the headers, including the message-id,
>> without logging in.
>>
>> But now you can't get the headers anymore - and I never log into
>> Google Groups so I don't know if even logging in provides those
>> headers.
>>
>> Does it?
>>
>> If someone has logged into the groups.google.com/g/<name of usenet
>> ng>, can you let the rest of us know if the all-important
>> message-id is given?
>>
>> Without that all-important message-id, I don't think Howard Knight
>> is useful as a search engine to provide links for others to follow,
>> is it?
>
> I don't see a way to display headers. The "Show original message"
> option is still in the per-message hamburger, but it's been grayed
> out. ISTR a tick by the author's name would show some headers, but
> that's all the way gone.
>
> The search box doesn't find the message-id. For that matter, the
> "Advanced search" dialog has lost several options from just a couple
> years ago. "Does not have" is missing, for instance.
>
> There may well be an operator to use in the searchbox that will find
> the message-id, but finding that may be a herculean task .... I
> tried a couple of guesses but was unsuccessful.
>
> SWAG: since GG has all sorts of statistics, and probably doesn't
> have the top code maintainers, they may have looked at what searches
> happen in GG and dumped the ones that require more than new-hire
> skills to implement.
>
> [I'm pretty sure they have Message-ID field in their database, to use
> for threading the messages.]

Do they still do threading? I know GG used to have a threaded view, but
the last time I looked that option was missing. I think all articles now
are grouped by Subject:, not by thread.

Probably because it was useless to everyone. The indentation was so
small that you couldn't easily tell when a subthread started and stopped.

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On Sun, 23 Apr 2023 01:39:26 -0500, Sqwertz wrote:

> There are no CR's or LF's in NNTP headers.

The spec [1] says something different, that CRLF can be inserted before
a whitespace to allow a logical header line to exceed the 998/78
character limitations per physical line.

Adam's reply to the OP is about this.

[1] REF: <https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc5322#section-2.2.3>

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ QUOTE ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
2.2.3. Long Header Fields

Each header field is logically a single line of characters comprising
the field name, the colon, and the field body. For convenience
however, and to deal with the 998/78 character limitations per line,
the field body portion of a header field can be split into a
multiple-line representation; this is called "folding". The general
rule is that wherever this specification allows for folding white
space (not simply WSP characters), a CRLF may be inserted before any
WSP.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ QUOTE ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

--
Regards
Ralph

"Ne sorga, snotor guma! Selre bið ÊghwÊm, ßÊt he his freond wrece, ßonne he fela murne."
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Subject: Re: Just B-B-Beet It
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On Thu, 11 May 2023 22:16:12 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

> Sqwertz <sqwertzme@gmail.compost> wrote:
>
>> Bacon, Blue Cheese (Roquefort), and cool crisp beets from the
>> Shrute Beet Farm.
>>
>> https://i.postimg.cc/9Q2f5dbq/Beet-It-Salad.jpg
>>
>> With marinated roasted red peppers, english cuke, romanie hearts,
>> and the only Wishbone(tm) dressing worth buying, " Champagne
>> Viniagrette". I Bought 6 bottles last week VIA Walmart "Curbside"
>> since I couldn't find it on the shelves for the last 2 months even
>> though it said they had it. Apparently some Walmart employee was
>> able to find it - give that girl a raise!
>>
>> But I had to stand out in "Curbside Slot #A3Q9" with a 12-pack of
>> Mickey's for 2.5 hours while they looked for it and gathered my
>> order. Nyeh - it was still easier than asking an employee for
>> help inside the store. Another half an hour and I would have
>> needed another 12-pack.
>>
>> -sw
>
> Interesting way to diet. Each vaporfood you read about in Usenet with a
> newsreader.
>
> My guess is your eyes were focused on the foodie newsgroup to where you
> wanted to post, but your NNTP client was instead focused here.

I'm demonstrating the Mickey's bug in 40tude dialog.

Anybody know a fix for this problem?

-sw
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Can I link to a google group without an account?

If so, let me know.
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Andy Burns wrote:

>> If someone has logged into the groups.google.com/g/<name of usenet ng>,
>> can you let the rest of us know if the all-important message-id is given?
>
> No, but you used to.
> Even if logged-in, and even if joined the group (whatever that means)
> you can't see headers, because you don't have "view member email
> permission" which may be meaningful for a google group but obviously not
> for a usenet group. I suspect google would ignore any question related
> to permissions, or need "the owner" of the group to give permission, at
> which point they've lost the plot ...

Thanks for testing the headers, Andy, as you're credible so I believe you.
Without the message-id, we can't really use Howard Knight, afaict.

This means we have precious few ways of running a general search of the
permanent Usenet archives (other than groups.google.com & narkive.com).

Other than relying on those two and/or the largesse of your nntp server
(or even your own downloads of articles & headers), if anyone knows of a
better general purpose Usenet server search mechanism, please elucidate.
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Sqwertz <sqwertzme@gmail.compost> wrote:

> On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 15:45:00 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>
> > Sqwertz <sqwertzme@gmail.compost> wrote:
> >>On Tue, 11 Apr 2023 03:42:39 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> >>
> >>> dale <dale@dalekelly.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>I think I recall that Agent limits lines to 80 characters.
> >>>
> >>>>That limits crossposting?
> >>>
> >>>>Can I make a Template with the groups I usually crosspost to that are
> >>>>80 characters or less?
> >>>
> >>>>Drafts don't stick around.
> >>>
> >>> Look at a very long header line in the article you just posted.
> >>>
> >>> Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-
> >>> host="787a4ab25f0a133c5765202b0f678345";
> >>> logging-data="2517897"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-
> >>> september.org"; posting-
> >>> account="U2FsdGVkX19mLgSdh1QrlwytGPjRrq0XChNQYhfsCW4="
> >>>
> >>> The continuation lines just start with a whitespace character.
> >>>
> >>> The newsreader will figure it out without intervention.
> >>
> >>That's actually one continuous line in the raw article's headers.
> >>*Your* newsreader added the whitespace for legibility at your end.
> >>And that line was added by the server, not the news reader/client.
> >
> > I looked at the text. I see a continuation line beginning with a tab
> > character.
>
> No the line looks exactly like this: (without the ">").
>
> > Injection-Info: dont-email.me;
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>
> But of course your newsreader probably just reformatted that,
> too). There are no CR's or LF's in NNTP headers.
>
> And it was added by the news server *after* Agent sent it.
>
> -sw

Please explain how folded headers are made without using CR or LF.

(see folded headers in this article or in this example shown on Howard
Knight's site: <http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=168224434100>)

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On 12 May 2023 14:32:25 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:

> Sqwertz <sqwertzme@gmail.compost> wrote:
>> On Mon, 08 May 2023 16:36:58 -0400, Benjamin Esham wrote:
> [...]
>> I'm not a LISP guy, but are you by chance scoring on article
>> headers (or the article body) that are not available until the
>> whole article is retrieved?
>>
>> News servers only dish out a subset of article headers when
>> getting a list of articles for perusal and initial scoring(*).
>> Only when the entire article is retrieved for full viewing can it
>> be scored on "non-XOVER" headers (or the body text).
>>
>> (*) To see the list of headers your news server provides
>> initially, telnet into your news server (usually at port 119, at
>> least) and give it a "list overview.fmt" command.
>>
>> Doubtful you're on Windows 1[0-1], but if you are it would look
>> something like this:
>>
>> Microsoft Windows [Version 10.0.19044.2965]
>> (c) Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
>>
>> C:\Users\Sqwertz>telnet usnews.blocknews.net 119
>> 'telnet' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
>> operable program or batch file.
>>
>> C:\Users\Sqwertz>pkgmgr /iu:"TelnetClient"
>>
>> C:\Users\Sqwertz>telnet usnews.blocknews.net 119
>> 'telnet' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
>> operable program or batch file.
>
> On Windows - also on 10 and 11 - you can still enable Telnet:
>
> Control Panel -> Programs -> Programs and Features -> Turn Windows
> features on and off. Towards the bottom of the list there is 'Telnet
> Client' with a tick-box.

C:\Users\Sqwertz>pkgmgr /iu:"TelnetClient"

....does the same thing.

>> C:\Users\Sqwertz>cmd.exe
>> 'cmd.exe' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
>> operable program or batch file.
>
> Hmmm!? Strange! Apparently C:\WINDOWS\system32 is not in your Path
> variable.
>
> Are you using a Windows Terminal window instead of a Command Prompt
> window? (I only use the latter.)
>
>> C:\Users\Sqwertz>command.com
>> 'command.com' is not recognized as an internal or external
>> command, operable program or batch file.
>
> IIRC, command.com is from the pre-/non-NT era.

Den 29.03.2023 kl. 21.57 skrev Andy Burnelli:

> Other than relying on those two and/or the largesse of your nntp server
> (or even your own downloads of articles & headers), if anyone knows of a
> better general purpose Usenet server search mechanism, please elucidate.

We need Deja-News.

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Andy Burnelli wrote:
Typo on the narkive URL which is my fault so I correct below
as all we have for general purpose free search engines are...
groups.google.com/g/<name-of-usenet-ng>
<name-of-usenet-ng>.narkive.com

For example...
<https://alt.free.newsservers.narkive.com>
<https://alt.free.nntp.narkive.com>
<https://news.software.nntp.narkive.com>
<https://news.software.readers.narkive.com>
<https://comp.text.pdf.narkive.com>
<https://alt.comp.software.thunderbird.narkive.com>
<https://alt.comp.software.firefox.narkive.com>
<https://rec.photo.digital.narkive.com>
<https://rec.autos.tech.narkive.com>
<https://alt.home.repair.narkive.com>
<https://alt.comp.microsoft.windows.narkive.com>
<https://microsoft.public.windowsxp.general.narkive.com>
<https://alt.comp.os.windows-11.narkive.com>
<https://alt.comp.os.windows-10.narkive.com>
<https://alt.comp.os.windows-8.narkive.com>
<https://alt.windows7.general.narkive.com>
<https://alt.msdos.batch.narkive.com>
<https://alt.os.linux.narkive.com>
<https://comp.mobile.android.narkive.com>
<https://comp.mobile.ipad.narkive.com>
<https://misc.phone.mobile.iphone.narkive.com>
<https://alt.comp.freeware.narkive.com>
<https://comp.sys.mac.apps.narkive.com>
<https://comp.sys.mac.system.narkive.com>
<https://comp.sys.mac.advocacy.narkive.com>
<https://alt.internet.wireless.narkive.com>
<https://sci.electronics.repair.narkive.com>
<https://sci.geo.satellite-nav.narkive.com>
<https://sci.electronics.design.narkive.com>
<https://sci.electronics.equipment.narkive.com>
<https://sci.electronics.misc.narkive.com>
<https://alt.usage.english.narkive.com>
etc.

As always, every post should benefit as many people as possible so if you
know of other general purpose web-based permanent Usenet archives, please
add them so that everyone benefits from every action you take on Usenet.
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From: gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack)
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: trn Cmd: prompt
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2023 18:38:11 -0000 (UTC)
Organization: The official candy of the new Millennium
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I'm using trn version 4.something.

I accidentally hit backslash (\) while in the thread selector. This
brought me to a prompt of "Cmd:". I have no idea what sort of commands it
is looking for at this point. What is?

I couldn't find anything in "man trn" about this.

Note: Hitting ^G at this prompt makes it go away (with some kind of err msg).

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From: Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid>
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: [slrn] post article from command line?
Date: Tue, 16 May 2023 02:20:21 -0000 (UTC)
Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC
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Is there a way to use slrn to post an article to an nntp server from
the command line?

If not, is there some other command-line utilty to do that?

Python is removing NNTP support from the standard library, so my
simple "inews" workalike is gong to stop working unless I start
maintaining a Python NNTP implementation.

:/

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From: Sqwertz <sqwertzme@gmail.compost>
Subject: Re: Another Old Recipe - Ham Loaf
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
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On Tue, 30 May 2023 09:38:37 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> On 2023-05-29, Sqwertz <sqwertzme@gmail.compost> wrote:
>> On Mon, 29 May 2023 09:00:34 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>>> On 2023-05-29, Sqwertz <sqwertzme@gmail.compost> wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 28 May 2023 09:43:37 -0400, jmcquown wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> This one is written in my mom's handwriting on a very old small piece of
>>>>> paper scratch paper.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ham Loaf
>>>>>
>>>>> 1-1/2 lb. ground pork
>>>>> 1-1/2 lb. ground ham
>>>>> 1 c. breadcrumbs
>>>>> 1 c. milk
>>>>> 2 eggs, beaten
>>>>>
>>>>> Basting mixture:
>>>>> 1 c. brown sugar
>>>>> 1/4 c. vinegar
>>>>> teaspoon mustard
>>>>>
>>>>> Cook slow, burns easily. Baste loaf with mixture.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, I definitely don't remember this. LOL
>>>>
>>>> This was probably before city hams were "fully cooked" and "Ready
>>>> to eat".
>>>>
>>>> But it still sounds pretty horrible. "Cook slow" is an
>>>> interesting term by itself. Drop the "S" and it makes a little
>>>> more sense.
>>>
>>> It makes sense as is. Have you never hear of a "slow oven"?
>>>
>>> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/slow%20oven
>>
>> The recipe says nothing about an oven - unlike your term.
>
> It's a loaf. How else would a 1950s-1960s housewife cook it?

In a Dutch oven per it's time and place of origin. And it would
work better there than in an oven.

Detroit? nah.

-sw
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From: Sqwertz <sqwertzme@gmail.compost>
Subject: Re: stats 2023 1st half
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
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On Sun, 9 Jul 2023 12:10:54 +0200, Marco Moock wrote:

> Am 08.07.2023 um 16:00:52 Uhr schrieb Sqwertz:
>
>> If you realy want to quanitify this with stats that support your
>> shallow hypothesis, then look at overall traffic. Here's one
>> account, for example:
>>
>> https://www.newsdemon.com/usenet-newsgroup-feed-size
>
> This is mostly because the binary groups are used.
> Traffic on text groups become less over the years.

Thanks Captain Obvious!

-sw
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From: Jim the Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk>
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: Re: News reader?
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2023 00:05:51 +0100
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Bertel Lund Hansen <gadekryds@lundhansen.dk> wrote:

> Den 29.03.2023 kl. 21.57 skrev Andy Burnelli:
>
> > Other than relying on those two and/or the largesse of your nntp server
> > (or even your own downloads of articles & headers), if anyone knows of a
> > better general purpose Usenet server search mechanism, please elucidate.
>
> We need Deja-News.

Yes.

IMO when Goggle borged DejaNews marks the moment they became evil.

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Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: Re: trn Cmd: prompt
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2023 19:10:33 -0000 (UTC)
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Kenny McCormack <gazelle@shell.xmission.com> wrote:

>I'm using trn version 4.something.

>I accidentally hit backslash (\) while in the thread selector. This
>brought me to a prompt of "Cmd:". I have no idea what sort of commands it
>is looking for at this point. What is?

It allows the user to call an outside program or the output of the current
function can be redirected to other than standard output.

>I couldn't find anything in "man trn" about this.

>Note: Hitting ^G at this prompt makes it go away (with some kind of err msg).

Just hit the Enter key to make it go away.
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From: Ted Heise <theise@panix.com>
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: Re: [slrn] post article from command line?
Date: Tue, 16 May 2023 12:09:17 -0000 (UTC)
Organization: My own, such as it is
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On Tue, 16 May 2023 02:20:21 -0000 (UTC),
Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> Is there a way to use slrn to post an article to an nntp server from
> the command line?
>
> If not, is there some other command-line utilty to do that?
>
> Python is removing NNTP support from the standard library, so my
> simple "inews" workalike is gong to stop working unless I start
> maintaining a Python NNTP implementation.
>
> :/

This is the script I use on panix to periodically post an FAQ,
perhaps it could be helpful.

------- begin quote -----------------------

#!/usr/local/bin/perl5.22

use warnings;
use strict;
use Net::NNTP;

my $server_name="news.panix.com";

my @post=`cat FAQ/araa-FAQ-v1.16`;

my $Server = Net::NNTP->new($server_name, Reader => 1, Debug =>
0);
if (!$Server)
{ print " Can't connect to news! Not posted\n";
} else
{ $Server->post();
my $ServerCod = $Server->code();
if ($ServerCod == 340)
{
$Server->datasend(@post);
$Server->dataend;
if (!$Server->ok())
{
my $ServerMsg = $Server->message();
$Server->quit();
print " Posting failed! Response from news server:\n" .
$Server->code() . " $ServerMsg\n";
}
else
{
print " Posted OK\n";
}
}
else
{
print " Post command not accept\n";
}
$Server->quit();
}

------- end quote -------------------------

I invoke it by a crontab entry. Can't recall where I got the
script in the first place, but I'm *sure* it wasn't written by me.
I probably just STFWd for it.

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From: VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH>
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: Re: Another Old Recipe - Ham Loaf
Date: Wed, 31 May 2023 00:07:14 -0500
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Sqwertz <sqwertzme@gmail.compost> wrote:

>...
> In a Dutch oven per it's time and place of origin. And it would
> work better there than in an oven.

This tread started in rec.food.cooking. Oops. Keep it there.

All other messages specified "Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking". Only for
this one of yours did the newsgroup change (to news.software.readers).
Off-topic here.
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From: rek2 hispagatos <rek2@hispagatos.org.invalid>
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: Android
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2023 13:53:03 -0000 (UTC)
Organization: Hispagatos
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Hello,
Any recomendation for Android usenet/nttp clients? for text only.
If possible that does not truck you.. I was looking on fdroid was not
able to find anything so far. :(

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Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: Re: News reader?
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Jim the Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:

> db <dieterhansbritz@gmail.com> SAID ...
>
>> I used to use pan and was happy with it, but it started acting up
>> about a year or so ago, so I can no longer use it. I switched to
>> Thunderbird (I work under Ubuntu Linux) and it's OK, but not as
>> nice, I feel. ^^^^^^^^^^^^____________.
>> Does anyone know what is wrong with pan? |
>> What other news readers are recommended? |
> |
> Gravity, Dialog or Xnews. |
|
Gravity: Windows. |
Dialog: Windows. |
Xnews: Windows. |
^^^^^
All are Windows programs. The OP said he is using Linux. Fox and I
mentioned he could use a Windows NNTP client under WINE on Linux, but
I'm not sure he wants to bother with that setup.

As I recall, Xnews does not support SSL, so you have to chain it through
sTunnel to make secure connects to NNTP servers. No support for UTF-8,
either. No official announcement Xnews was discontinued, but the web
site disappeared in 2014, and the program was already 5 years old by
then. You can find old copies of the Newsguy site for Xnews at
archive.web.com (I didn't bother to check if the download links still
worked), like:

On Wed, 29 Mar 2023 20:57:14 +0100, Andy Burnelli <nospam@nospam.net>
wrote:

>Andy Burns wrote:
>
>>> If someone has logged into the groups.google.com/g/<name of usenet ng>,
>>> can you let the rest of us know if the all-important message-id is given?
>>
>> No, but you used to.
>> Even if logged-in, and even if joined the group (whatever that means)
>> you can't see headers, because you don't have "view member email
>> permission" which may be meaningful for a google group but obviously not
>> for a usenet group. I suspect google would ignore any question related
>> to permissions, or need "the owner" of the group to give permission, at
>> which point they've lost the plot ...
>
>Thanks for testing the headers, Andy, as you're credible so I believe you.
>Without the message-id, we can't really use Howard Knight, afaict.
>
>This means we have precious few ways of running a general search of the
>permanent Usenet archives (other than groups.google.com & narkive.com).
>
>Other than relying on those two and/or the largesse of your nntp server
>(or even your own downloads of articles & headers), if anyone knows of a
>better general purpose Usenet server search mechanism, please elucidate.

I get my posts from Giganews, which -- IIRC -- promises to keep
text groups forever -- though they did not start at the start like
DejaNews.

In Forte, I have occasionally looked at the headers and clicked
on a message ID to pull up the referenced article. Forte seaches
on my disk, then can go online. I haven't tried that for anything
known to be really old.

The Wiki article on GigaNews says, "Giganews offers more than
three years of article retention in binary groups and eight years
in text groups." - That statement has a citation is now unavailble,
but which was downloaded in 2014. As I interpret that, the
GigaNews repository is thus dated as at least as early as 2006.
That's about when I started using Giganews.

--
Rich Ulrich

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From: gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack)
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: Re: trn Cmd: prompt
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In article <u298j9$vvpg$2@dont-email.me>,
Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>Kenny McCormack <gazelle@shell.xmission.com> wrote:
>
>>I'm using trn version 4.something.
>
>>I accidentally hit backslash (\) while in the thread selector. This
>>brought me to a prompt of "Cmd:". I have no idea what sort of commands it
>>is looking for at this point. What is?
>
>It allows the user to call an outside program or the output of the current
>function can be redirected to other than standard output.

Could you explain further what this means?

Can you give a sample use?

--
"The party of Lincoln has become the party of John Wilkes Booth."

- Carlos Alazraqui -

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> If not, is there some other command-line utilty to do that?

tinews uses perl Net::NNTP,
<http://www.tin.org/bin/man.cgi?section=1&topic=tinews>

<http://bzr.tin.org/tools/tinews.pl>
<ftp://ftp.tin.org/pub/news/clients/tin/tools/tinews.pl>
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From: Sqwertz <sqwertzme@gmail.compost>
Subject: Re: Another Old Recipe - Ham Loaf
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On Wed, 31 May 2023 00:07:14 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

> Sqwertz <sqwertzme@gmail.compost> wrote:
>
>>...
>> In a Dutch oven per it's time and place of origin. And it would
>> work better there than in an oven.
>
> This tread started in rec.food.cooking. Oops. Keep it there.
>
> All other messages specified "Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking". Only for
> this one of yours did the newsgroup change (to news.software.readers).
> Off-topic here.

Suck it up. Ban me. Whatever. Dialog is acting weird lately -
like it's running on an 8086. Slow drawing the screen and slow
responding to keystrokes and mouse clicks - but not consuming any
abnormal CPU. How this got redirected is anyone's guess.

The database is small compared to what I've had in the past, but
it was just compacted for shits and grins.

Don't try my patience or I'll flounce out of here and then where
would y'all be? (that was sarcasm for the impaired).

-sw
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From: Michael =?ISO-8859-1?Q?B=E4uerle?= <michael.baeuerle@stz-e.de>
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rek2 hispagatos wrote:
>
> Hello,
> Any recomendation for Android usenet/nttp clients? for text only.
> If possible that does not truck you.. I was looking on fdroid was not
> able to find anything so far. :(

You can search for:
- PhoNews
- Piao Hong
- Groundhog

But expect some unmaintained and/or broken piece of software.
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On 2023-03-29 14:25, Andy Burnelli wrote:
> Andy Burnelli wrote:
> Typo on the narkive URL which is my fault so I correct below
> as all we have for general purpose free search engines are...
> groups.google.com/g/<name-of-usenet-ng>
> <name-of-usenet-ng>.narkive.com
> For example...
> <https://alt.free.newsservers.narkive.com>
> <https://alt.free.nntp.narkive.com>
> <https://news.software.nntp.narkive.com>
> <https://news.software.readers.narkive.com>
> <https://comp.text.pdf.narkive.com>
> <https://alt.comp.software.thunderbird.narkive.com>
> <https://alt.comp.software.firefox.narkive.com>
> <https://rec.photo.digital.narkive.com>
> <https://rec.autos.tech.narkive.com>
> <https://alt.home.repair.narkive.com>
> <https://alt.comp.microsoft.windows.narkive.com>
> <https://microsoft.public.windowsxp.general.narkive.com>
> <https://alt.comp.os.windows-11.narkive.com>
> <https://alt.comp.os.windows-10.narkive.com>
> <https://alt.comp.os.windows-8.narkive.com>
> <https://alt.windows7.general.narkive.com>
> <https://alt.msdos.batch.narkive.com>
> <https://alt.os.linux.narkive.com>
> <https://comp.mobile.android.narkive.com>
> <https://comp.mobile.ipad.narkive.com>
> <https://misc.phone.mobile.iphone.narkive.com>
> <https://alt.comp.freeware.narkive.com>
> <https://comp.sys.mac.apps.narkive.com>
> <https://comp.sys.mac.system.narkive.com>
> <https://comp.sys.mac.advocacy.narkive.com>
> <https://alt.internet.wireless.narkive.com>
> <https://sci.electronics.repair.narkive.com>
> <https://sci.geo.satellite-nav.narkive.com>
> <https://sci.electronics.design.narkive.com>
> <https://sci.electronics.equipment.narkive.com>
> <https://sci.electronics.misc.narkive.com>
> <https://alt.usage.english.narkive.com>

What am I missing? I see no way to search the archive.

> etc.
>
> As always, every post should benefit as many people as possible so if you
> know of other general purpose web-based permanent Usenet archives, please
> add them so that everyone benefits from every action you take on Usenet.

--
I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous.

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From: "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: Re: trn Cmd: prompt
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Kenny McCormack <gazelle@shell.xmission.com> wrote:
>Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>>Kenny McCormack <gazelle@shell.xmission.com> wrote:

>>>I'm using trn version 4.something.

>>>I accidentally hit backslash (\) while in the thread selector. This
>>>brought me to a prompt of "Cmd:". I have no idea what sort of commands it
>>>is looking for at this point. What is?

>>It allows the user to call an outside program or the output of the current
>>function can be redirected to other than standard output.

>Could you explain further what this means?

>Can you give a sample use?

I apologize. It's for INTERNAL commands. Most of the commands conflict
otherwise with the letters and numbers in use for articles.

g means go to or subscribe to a newsgroup. But the letter "g" is already
in use to select something in the selector.

If I'm in the newsgroup selector and I wish to subscribe to a group (or
go to a newsgroup I've already subscribed to)

\gcomp.misc

then I can get to it. Normally I don't have a use for it at the article
or thread selector.
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From: Benjamin Esham <usenet@esham.io>
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
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issdr wrote:

> Benjamin Esham wrote:
>
>> I have a fairly large killfile. Frequently, Gnus fetches the news and
>> shows me that there are groups with unread messages, but when I try to
>> go into one of those groups, Gnus fetches more information and
>> realizes that all of the unread articles have been scored down below
>> the threshold of being visible.
>
> did you try `M-x g-ba-s' from group buffer?

I had not tried that, thank you! (The full name is gnus-batch-score, for my
future reference.) I tried to run that function automatically with

(add-hook 'gnus-started-hook 'gnus-batch-score)
(add-hook 'gnus-after-getting-new-news-hook 'gnus-batch-score)

but that didn't seem to work: there was a very long delay after I started
Gnus--maybe as long as a minute--but still not all of my scores had been
applied.

I went into the Gnus source and extracted the "main part" of that function,
which is

(let (info group newsrc unread)
(setq newsrc (cdr gnus-newsrc-alist))
(while (setq info (pop newsrc))
(setq group (gnus-info-group info)
unread (gnus-group-unread group))
(when (and (<= (gnus-info-level info) gnus-level-subscribed)
(and unread
(or (eq unread t)
(not (zerop unread)))))
(ignore-errors
(gnus-summary-read-group group nil t nil t))
(when (eq (current-buffer) (get-buffer gnus-summary-buffer))
(gnus-summary-exit)))))

and found that if I ran this interactively (at the M-: prompt) after news
had been fetched, then the scores would really, truly be applied. This is
promising! Now I just need to put the code back into a function and figure
out exactly when and how to call it in order to make all of this automatic.

> if that was not what you had in mind, you could also post on
> <nntp://news.eternal-september.org/gnu.emacs.gnus>.

I'm pretty sure I've posted in that group before, and yet Gnus is telling me
that it doesn't exist on the server. But that will be a separate thing to
debug...

Thanks,

Benjamin
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Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: Re: Another Old Recipe - Ham Loaf
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On Wed, 31 May 2023 02:21:33 -0500, Sqwertz <sqwertzme@gmail.compost>
wrote:

>Suck it up. Ban me. Whatever. Dialog is acting weird lately -
>like it's running on an 8086. Slow drawing the screen and slow
>responding to keystrokes and mouse clicks - but not consuming any
>abnormal CPU. How this got redirected is anyone's guess.