Le 28-01-2024, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> a écrit :
> On 28 Jan 2024 21:29:28 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>
>> Le 28-01-2024, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> a écrit :
>>
>>> On 28 Jan 2024 20:25:14 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>>>
>>>> The modern cloud runs containers like docker/podman either directly or
>>>> through Kubernetes. And the containers need a Linux Kernel to run.
>>>
>>> Why not Windows?
>>
>> Because containers are designed to run around a Linux kernel. They are
>> using namespaces and cgroups to isolate some process running in a Linux
>> Kernel. It's by design.
>
> Why is it Windows cannot offer analogous concepts? Why can’t Windows offer
> container technology?

Because it wouldn't be compatible. So it's useless to try to launch a
war already lost. So they provide another way to be compatible.

>>> Because Windows cannot handle it. Windows is not sufficiently adaptable
>>> to the new market realities.
>>
>> Clearly, you know nothing about containers.
>
> I know that Microsoft tried to implement Docker under Windows,

You just need to know what Docker is to now it's impossible. It's
obvious they would have abandoned the idea before it started. It's like
trying to put oil in an electric car: it won't work by design. Docker
just can't run natively on Windows. It can run in a virtual machine
running on Windows. Guess what: it's what WSL2 is used for.

> but then had to give up and recommend developers stick to Linux instead.

Thy new they had to give up from the start. I hate Microsoft: it doesn't
mean I consider the people working for them stupid. If you can provide
me a serious link explaining that they really tried, I'll read it. But
I'm pretty sure you won't and so I'm pretty sure you are just wrong.

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Le 28-01-2024, vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> a écrit :
> On 28 Jan 2024 21:29:28 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote
> in <65b6c738$0$3012$426a74cc@news.free.fr>:
>
>> I'll say that the day I'll find computers with Linux already installed
>> on big shop. It's not the case today.
>
> You're usually right, but wrong in this instance.
>
> https://www.amazon.com/HP-Chromebook-Processor-Graphics-Bluetooth/dp/
> B0C7MR5RDH/
>
> It's called "ChromeOS", and it's a stealth Linux in the market.

Yes, but no. I don't consider ChromeOS as a Linux distro in the same way
I don't consider Android as a Linux distro. OK, it runs Linux at its
core, but everything else is as far from the Linux philosophy as Mac OS
is from the BSD philosophy.

So, if you want to consider ChromeOS and Android as Linux distros, I'll
understand but I'll disagree.

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Le 31-01-2024, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> a écrit :
> On 1/28/2024 4:29 PM, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>> Le 28-01-2024, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> a écrit :
>
>> I'll say that the day I'll find computers with Linux already installed
>> on big shop. It's not the case today.
>
> I suppose "big shop" means most OEMs and retailers (Acer, Dell, HP,
> Lenovo, Costco, MicroCenter, BestBuy, Walmart)

I mean things like Walmart (we don't have it in France): something with
a lot of things to buy when I go outside of my home. Not the little shop
lost among other shops. I don't know what BestBuy or Microcenter are.

But clearly, I never saw any Acer, Dell, HP or Lenovo shop in town.

We have Carrefour, Auchan, la FNAC, Darty in France. They may have a
website, but I can walk to go inside to buy something and go back home
with it.

> Do some research and you'll find Linux preinstalls at more places than
> you think.

I did my search a few years ago when I bought my laptop, and I needed to
search. If I wanted to buy a Windows computer, I could have done it in
the first shop which buy computers I would have been able to find.

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On 2024-02-02 17:24, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
> Le 28-01-2024, vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> a écrit :
>> On 28 Jan 2024 21:29:28 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote
>> in <65b6c738$0$3012$426a74cc@news.free.fr>:
>>
>>> I'll say that the day I'll find computers with Linux already installed
>>> on big shop. It's not the case today.
>>
>> You're usually right, but wrong in this instance.
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/HP-Chromebook-Processor-Graphics-Bluetooth/dp/
>> B0C7MR5RDH/
>>
>> It's called "ChromeOS", and it's a stealth Linux in the market.
>
> Yes, but no. I don't consider ChromeOS as a Linux distro in the same way
> I don't consider Android as a Linux distro. OK, it runs Linux at its
> core, but everything else is as far from the Linux philosophy as Mac OS
> is from the BSD philosophy.
>
> So, if you want to consider ChromeOS and Android as Linux distros, I'll
> understand but I'll disagree.

Excellent position. I agree wholeheartedly.

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On 1/26/2024 6:24 PM, shitv wrote:

> Micro$oft takes your money. And your privacy. And your dignity.

dignity? Get your own insults, bozo. You don't get to copycat mine.