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* After the storm, hopefullyCharlie Gibbs
+- Re: After the storm, hopefullygreymaus
+- Re: After the storm, hopefullyPeter Flass
+- Re: After the storm, hopefullyKerr-Mudd, John
+- Re: After the storm, hopefullyAhem A Rivet's Shot
+- Re: After the storm, hopefullyMike Spencer
+* Re: After the storm, hopefullyD.J.
|`* Re: After the storm, hopefullyVir Campestris
| +- Re: After the storm, hopefullyDan Espen
| `* Re: After the storm, hopefullyD.J.
|  `* Re: After the storm, hopefullyVir Campestris
|   `- Re: After the storm, hopefullyD.J.
+* Re: After the storm, hopefullyAndreas Kohlbach
|`* Re: After the storm, hopefullyRockinghorse Winner
| `* Re: After the storm, hopefullyScott Lurndal
|  `- Re: After the storm, hopefullyRockinghorse Winner
+* Re: After the storm, hopefullyjohnson
|`* Re: After the storm, hopefullyJoe Makowiec
| +* Re: After the storm, hopefullygreymaus
| |`* Re: After the storm, hopefullyAhem A Rivet's Shot
| | +* Re: After the storm, hopefullygreymaus
| | |+* Re: After the storm, hopefullyAhem A Rivet's Shot
| | ||+* Re: After the storm, hopefullygreymaus
| | |||`- Re: After the storm, hopefullyAhem A Rivet's Shot
| | ||`* Re: After the storm, hopefullyAndy Burns
| | || `* Re: After the storm, hopefullyKurt Weiske
| | ||  `* Re: After the storm, hopefullyVir Campestris
| | ||   +* Re: After the storm, hopefullymaus
| | ||   |+* Re: After the storm, hopefullyCarlos E.R.
| | ||   ||`* Re: After the storm, hopefullyAndy Burns
| | ||   || `- Re: After the storm, hopefullymaus
| | ||   |+* Re: After the storm, hopefullyKurt Weiske
| | ||   ||`- Re: After the storm, hopefullymaus
| | ||   |`* Re: After the storm, hopefullyVir Campestris
| | ||   | `* Re: After the storm, hopefullymaus
| | ||   |  `* Re: After the storm, hopefullyVir Campestris
| | ||   |   `* Re: After the storm, hopefullyScott Lurndal
| | ||   |    `* Re: After the storm, hopefullymaus
| | ||   |     +* Re: After the storm, hopefullyjohnson
| | ||   |     |`- Re: After the storm, hopefullymaus
| | ||   |     `* Re: After the storm, hopefullyAhem A Rivet's Shot
| | ||   |      `* Re: After the storm, hopefullyPeter Flass
| | ||   |       +* Re: After the storm, hopefullyCarlos E.R.
| | ||   |       |`* Re: After the storm, hopefullyAhem A Rivet's Shot
| | ||   |       | +* Re: After the storm, hopefullyKurt Weiske
| | ||   |       | |`- Re: After the storm, hopefullyAhem A Rivet's Shot
| | ||   |       | `* Re: After the storm, hopefullyAlexander Schreiber
| | ||   |       |  +- Re: After the storm, hopefullymaus
| | ||   |       |  `* Re: After the storm, hopefullyAhem A Rivet's Shot
| | ||   |       |   +* Re: After the storm, hopefullyCharlie Gibbs
| | ||   |       |   |+- Re: After the storm, hopefullyDan Espen
| | ||   |       |   |`- Re: After the storm, hopefullyPeter Flass
| | ||   |       |   `- Re: After the storm, hopefullyAlexander Schreiber
| | ||   |       `* Re: After the storm, hopefullyAhem A Rivet's Shot
| | ||   |        `* Re: After the storm, hopefullyPeter Flass
| | ||   |         +* Re: After the storm, hopefullyScott Lurndal
| | ||   |         |`* Re: After the storm, hopefullyPeter Flass
| | ||   |         | +* Re: After the storm, hopefullymaus
| | ||   |         | |`* Re: After the storm, hopefullyPeter Flass
| | ||   |         | | `* Re: After the storm, hopefullyCarlos E.R.
| | ||   |         | |  `* Re: After the storm, hopefullyAndy Burns
| | ||   |         | |   `* Re: After the storm, hopefullyCarlos E.R.
| | ||   |         | |    `* Re: After the storm, hopefullyVir Campestris
| | ||   |         | |     +* Re: After the storm, hopefullyScott Lurndal
| | ||   |         | |     |+* Re: After the storm, hopefullyJohnny Billquist
| | ||   |         | |     ||`* Re: After the storm, hopefullyScott Lurndal
| | ||   |         | |     || +* Re: After the storm, hopefullymaus
| | ||   |         | |     || |+* Re: After the storm, hopefullyScott Lurndal
| | ||   |         | |     || ||`- Re: After the storm, hopefullyPeter Flass
| | ||   |         | |     || |+- Re: After the storm, hopefullyAhem A Rivet's Shot
| | ||   |         | |     || |`* Re: After the storm, hopefullyPeter Flass
| | ||   |         | |     || | +* Re: After the storm, hopefullyDan Espen
| | ||   |         | |     || | |+* Re: After the storm, hopefullyPeter Flass
| | ||   |         | |     || | ||+* Re: After the storm, hopefullyDan Espen
| | ||   |         | |     || | |||`- Re: After the storm, hopefullyScott Lurndal
| | ||   |         | |     || | ||`* Re: After the storm, hopefullyScott Lurndal
| | ||   |         | |     || | || `* Re: After the storm, hopefullyVir Campestris
| | ||   |         | |     || | ||  +- Re: After the storm, hopefullyAhem A Rivet's Shot
| | ||   |         | |     || | ||  `* Re: After the storm, hopefullyScott Lurndal
| | ||   |         | |     || | ||   `* Re: After the storm, hopefullyVir Campestris
| | ||   |         | |     || | ||    `* Re: After the storm, hopefullyKerr-Mudd, John
| | ||   |         | |     || | ||     +* Re: After the storm, hopefullyScott Lurndal
| | ||   |         | |     || | ||     |`* Re: After the storm, hopefullyKerr-Mudd, John
| | ||   |         | |     || | ||     | `* Re: After the storm, hopefullyScott Lurndal
| | ||   |         | |     || | ||     |  +* Re: After the storm, hopefullyKerr-Mudd, John
| | ||   |         | |     || | ||     |  |`* Re: stacking blocks After the storm, hopefullyJohn Levine
| | ||   |         | |     || | ||     |  | `* Re: stacking blocks After the storm, hopefullyAnne & Lynn Wheeler
| | ||   |         | |     || | ||     |  |  `- Re: not stacking blocks After the storm, hopefullyJohn Levine
| | ||   |         | |     || | ||     |  `* Re: After the storm, hopefullyAhem A Rivet's Shot
| | ||   |         | |     || | ||     |   `* Re: After the storm, hopefullyAndy Burns
| | ||   |         | |     || | ||     |    `- Re: After the storm, hopefullyAhem A Rivet's Shot
| | ||   |         | |     || | ||     `- Re: After the storm, hopefullyCharlie Gibbs
| | ||   |         | |     || | |+- Re: After the storm, hopefullyCarlos E.R.
| | ||   |         | |     || | |`- Re: After the storm, hopefullyD.J.
| | ||   |         | |     || | `- Re: After the storm, hopefullyAhem A Rivet's Shot
| | ||   |         | |     || `* Re: After the storm, hopefullyPeter Flass
| | ||   |         | |     ||  `* Re: After the storm, hopefullyCharlie Gibbs
| | ||   |         | |     ||   +* Re: After the storm, hopefullyAhem A Rivet's Shot
| | ||   |         | |     ||   |`- Re: After the storm, hopefullymaus
| | ||   |         | |     ||   `- Re: After the storm, hopefullyDan Espen
| | ||   |         | |     |`* Re: After the storm, hopefullyVir Campestris
| | ||   |         | |     +- Re: After the storm, hopefullyAhem A Rivet's Shot
| | ||   |         | |     `- Re: After the storm, hopefullyKurt Weiske
| | ||   |         | `* Re: After the storm, hopefullyAhem A Rivet's Shot
| | ||   |         +* Re: After the storm, hopefullyCharlie Gibbs
| | ||   |         +* Re: After the storm, hopefullyAhem A Rivet's Shot
| | ||   |         `* Re: After the storm, hopefullyKurt Weiske
| | ||   `- Re: After the storm, hopefullyKurt Weiske
| | |`* Re: After the storm, hopefullyScott Lurndal
| | `- Re: After the storm, hopefullyMike Spencer
| `* Re: After the storm, hopefullygareth evans
+- Re: After the storm, hopefullyCarlos E.R.
+* Re: After the storm, hopefullyRich Alderson
+- Re: After the storm, hopefullyJan van den Broek
+* Re: After the storm, hopefullyJoe Pfeiffer
+* Re: After the storm, hopefullyAnt
`* Re: After the storm, hopefullyMarco Moock

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 by: Charlie Gibbs - Thu, 2 Feb 2023 18:10 UTC

Is anyone still here? Some pinhead posted a huge binary
to the group, which is a pretty effective DOS attack.

--
/~\ Charlie Gibbs | Microsoft is a dictatorship.
\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | Apple is a cult.
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | Linux is anarchy.
/ \ if you read it the right way. | Pick your poison.

Re: After the storm, hopefully

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 by: greymaus - Thu, 2 Feb 2023 18:14 UTC

On 2023-02-02, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
> Is anyone still here? Some pinhead posted a huge binary
> to the group, which is a pretty effective DOS attack.
>

I remain at my post

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greymausg@mail.com
where is our money gone, Dude?

Re: After the storm, hopefully

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 by: Peter Flass - Thu, 2 Feb 2023 18:19 UTC

Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
> Is anyone still here? Some pinhead posted a huge binary
> to the group, which is a pretty effective DOS attack.
>

present

--
Pete

Re: After the storm, hopefully

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 by: Kerr-Mudd, John - Thu, 2 Feb 2023 18:39 UTC

On Thu, 02 Feb 2023 18:10:46 GMT
Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:

> Is anyone still here? Some pinhead posted a huge binary
> to the group, which is a pretty effective DOS attack.
>
Back up & running. (I hadn't noticed actually).

--
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

Re: After the storm, hopefully

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 by: Ahem A Rivet's - Thu, 2 Feb 2023 18:42 UTC

On Thu, 02 Feb 2023 18:10:46 GMT
Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:

> Is anyone still here? Some pinhead posted a huge binary
> to the group, which is a pretty effective DOS attack.

It didn't appear here, cleanfeed is good for something.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/

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 by: Mike Spencer - Thu, 2 Feb 2023 20:07 UTC

Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:

> Is anyone still here? Some pinhead posted a huge binary
> to the group, which is a pretty effective DOS attack.

You rang?

--
Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada

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 by: D.J. - Thu, 2 Feb 2023 20:31 UTC

On Thu, 02 Feb 2023 18:10:46 GMT, Charlie Gibbs
<cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>Is anyone still here? Some pinhead posted a huge binary
>to the group, which is a pretty effective DOS attack.

I didn't see it. Present.
--
Jim

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 by: Andreas Kohlbach - Thu, 2 Feb 2023 20:36 UTC

On Thu, 02 Feb 2023 18:10:46 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
> Is anyone still here?

Eastern Canada about to get it only. Temperatures plunge from -1 °C to
-29 °C within 12 hours, windchill -40 °C. Which is by chance also -40 F.

> Some pinhead posted a huge binary to the group, which is a pretty
> effective DOS attack.

NNTP Server here ignores those.
--
Andreas

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 by: Vir Campestris - Thu, 2 Feb 2023 22:05 UTC

On 02/02/2023 20:31, D.J. wrote:
> On Thu, 02 Feb 2023 18:10:46 GMT, Charlie Gibbs
> <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>> Is anyone still here? Some pinhead posted a huge binary
>> to the group, which is a pretty effective DOS attack.
>
> I didn't see it. Present.
<aol>

> --
> Jim

Jim, you have two spaces after your two dashes. It confued my TBird.

--
Andy

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 by: johnson - Thu, 2 Feb 2023 22:36 UTC

On 2023-02-02, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
> Is anyone still here? Some pinhead posted a huge binary
> to the group, which is a pretty effective DOS attack.
>

adsum

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 by: Carlos E.R. - Thu, 2 Feb 2023 22:42 UTC

On 2023-02-02 19:10, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> Is anyone still here? Some pinhead posted a huge binary
> to the group, which is a pretty effective DOS attack.
>

I haven't noticed anything.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

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 by: Dan Espen - Thu, 2 Feb 2023 22:52 UTC

Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> writes:

> On 02/02/2023 20:31, D.J. wrote:
>> On Thu, 02 Feb 2023 18:10:46 GMT, Charlie Gibbs
>> <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>>> Is anyone still here? Some pinhead posted a huge binary
>>> to the group, which is a pretty effective DOS attack.
>> I didn't see it. Present.
> <aol>
>
>> --
>> Jim
>
> Jim, you have two spaces after your two dashes. It confued my TBird.

GNUS was fine with it.

--
Dan Espen

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 by: D.J. - Thu, 2 Feb 2023 22:53 UTC

On Thu, 2 Feb 2023 22:05:55 +0000, Vir Campestris
<vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>On 02/02/2023 20:31, D.J. wrote:
>> On Thu, 02 Feb 2023 18:10:46 GMT, Charlie Gibbs
>> <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>>> Is anyone still here? Some pinhead posted a huge binary
>>> to the group, which is a pretty effective DOS attack.
>>
>> I didn't see it. Present.
><aol>
>
>> --
>> Jim
>
>Jim, you have two spaces after your two dashes. It confued my TBird.

Now there is one. I thought two spaces was how it should be.
--
Jim

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 by: Rich Alderson - Fri, 3 Feb 2023 00:55 UTC

Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:

> Is anyone still here? Some pinhead posted a huge binary
> to the group, which is a pretty effective DOS attack.

Never saw said binary. Been here all along.

--
Rich Alderson news@alderson.users.panix.com
Audendum est, et veritas investiganda; quam etiamsi non assequamur,
omnino tamen proprius, quam nunc sumus, ad eam perveniemus.
--Galen

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 by: Rockinghorse Winner - Fri, 3 Feb 2023 01:26 UTC

On 2023-02-02, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 02 Feb 2023 18:10:46 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>
>> Is anyone still here?
>
> Eastern Canada about to get it only. Temperatures plunge from -1 °C to
> -29 °C within 12 hours, windchill -40 °C. Which is by chance also -40 F.
>
>> Some pinhead posted a huge binary to the group, which is a pretty
>> effective DOS attack.
>
> NNTP Server here ignores those.

I wonder if groups can be dropped from servers for inactivity.

--
'Many have sought in vain to tell joyously of the Most Joyous. Now at last It declares
Itself to me, now in this misery.' - Holderlin
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 by: Jan van den Broek - Fri, 3 Feb 2023 06:23 UTC

2023-02-02, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> schrieb:
> Is anyone still here? Some pinhead posted a huge binary
> to the group, which is a pretty effective DOS attack.

Which my filter efficiently filtered.

--
"There's an eyeball in my Martini"

Jan v/d Broek balglaas@sdf.org
SDF Public Access UNIX System - https://sdf.org

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 by: Joe Makowiec - Fri, 3 Feb 2023 13:36 UTC

On 02 Feb 2023 in alt.folklore.computers, johnson wrote:

> On 2023-02-02, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>> Is anyone still here? Some pinhead posted a huge binary
>> to the group, which is a pretty effective DOS attack.
>>
>
> adsum

+1 for classical response

--
Joe Makowiec
http://makowiec.org/
Email: http://makowiec.org/contact/?Joe
Usenet Improvement Project: http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/

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Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> writes:
>Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:
>
>> Is anyone still here? Some pinhead posted a huge binary
>> to the group, which is a pretty effective DOS attack.
>
>Never saw said binary. Been here all along.

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 by: Scott Lurndal - Fri, 3 Feb 2023 13:49 UTC

Rockinghorse Winner <Rockinghorse@amgen.com> writes:
>On 2023-02-02, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>> On Thu, 02 Feb 2023 18:10:46 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>
>>> Is anyone still here?
>>
>> Eastern Canada about to get it only. Temperatures plunge from -1 °C to
>> -29 °C within 12 hours, windchill -40 °C. Which is by chance also -40 F.
>>
>>> Some pinhead posted a huge binary to the group, which is a pretty
>>> effective DOS attack.
>>
>> NNTP Server here ignores those.
>
>I wonder if groups can be dropped from servers for inactivity.

No. An inactive group costs nothing but a line in .newsrc.

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 by: greymaus - Fri, 3 Feb 2023 14:58 UTC

On 2023-02-03, Joe Makowiec <makowiec@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 02 Feb 2023 in alt.folklore.computers, johnson wrote:
>
>> On 2023-02-02, Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>>> Is anyone still here? Some pinhead posted a huge binary
>>> to the group, which is a pretty effective DOS attack.
>>>
>>
>> adsum
>
> +1 for classical response
>

To init a question, why were the `Micros' so much fun (say the Lorraine) and
the modern lapto[p so boring?.

--
greymausg@mail.com
where is our money gone, Dude?

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 by: Ahem A Rivet's - Fri, 3 Feb 2023 15:28 UTC

On 3 Feb 2023 14:58:53 GMT
greymaus <greymaus@gmail.com> wrote:

> To init a question, why were the `Micros' so much fun (say the Lorraine)
> and the modern lapto[p so boring?.

The early micros were limited, very varied and more than a bit rough
around the edges and as such were only really suitable for people who were
excited about the idea of having a computer of their own to play with
instead of grubbing for time and privileges (at best) on a shared machine.
A lot of the fun came from learning about them in detail (because you had
to), exploring the capabilities and working round the limitations.

The modern laptop is a polished consumer product designed for the
most inattentive student to be able to use productively (if badly) with a
minimum of effort and knowledge. they're pretty much all the same, it's
either Windows or a Mac and that's it unless you're a geek. It's *designed*
to be boring and doesn't reward detailed exploration with anything more
than a severe headache and a deep sense of disgust.

In much the same way I expect the Model T Ford was a lot more fun
than the latest Mondeo but I know which I'd rather drive across the country
in.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/

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 by: greymaus - Fri, 3 Feb 2023 17:16 UTC

On 2023-02-03, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> On 3 Feb 2023 14:58:53 GMT
> greymaus <greymaus@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> To init a question, why were the `Micros' so much fun (say the Lorraine)
>> and the modern lapto[p so boring?.
>
> The early micros were limited, very varied and more than a bit rough
> around the edges and as such were only really suitable for people who were
> excited about the idea of having a computer of their own to play with
> instead of grubbing for time and privileges (at best) on a shared machine.
> A lot of the fun came from learning about them in detail (because you had
> to), exploring the capabilities and working round the limitations.
>
> The modern laptop is a polished consumer product designed for the
> most inattentive student to be able to use productively (if badly) with a
> minimum of effort and knowledge. they're pretty much all the same, it's
> either Windows or a Mac and that's it unless you're a geek. It's *designed*
> to be boring and doesn't reward detailed exploration with anything more
> than a severe headache and a deep sense of disgust.
>
> In much the same way I expect the Model T Ford was a lot more fun
> than the latest Mondeo but I know which I'd rather drive across the country
> in.
>

Plus, I am sad to say, in my case I am 30 years older, and a lot of fun has
gone out of life anyway. Amazing, also, how reliable modern cars are, and how,
after years of pushing EV's, how little they have penetrated the market. The
first Toyota Landcruisers I saw resembled the old Model T, and in their way,
were finicky they were with adjustments (ever drive one of them along the roads
with the wrong settings on the hubs?).

Teachers have told me recently told me of how hard it is to teach pupils that
have smartphones.

--
greymausg@mail.com
where is our money gone, Dude?

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 by: Ahem A Rivet's - Fri, 3 Feb 2023 17:41 UTC

On 3 Feb 2023 17:16:29 GMT
greymaus <greymaus@gmail.com> wrote:

> Amazing, also, how reliable modern cars are, and how,
> after years of pushing EV's, how little they have penetrated the market.

Not really - they're still expensive options mostly bought new.
They haven't really trickled down to the second hand market where most
people buy their cars. I've been looking at it for some time, currently the
only EVs that are good enough to completely replace my car are only
available new or very nearly so, many of the cars on the road (including
mine) are over ten years old so expect it to be a decade before decent EVs
are available to most - and that's assuming a lot get sold new this year.

Also pushing ??? Walk into any car salesroom and start talking
about their EVs and see how quickly they show you the diesels.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/

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 by: greymaus - Fri, 3 Feb 2023 18:09 UTC

On 2023-02-03, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> On 3 Feb 2023 17:16:29 GMT
> greymaus <greymaus@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Amazing, also, how reliable modern cars are, and how,
>> after years of pushing EV's, how little they have penetrated the market.
>
> Not really - they're still expensive options mostly bought new.
> They haven't really trickled down to the second hand market where most
> people buy their cars. I've been looking at it for some time, currently the
> only EVs that are good enough to completely replace my car are only
> available new or very nearly so, many of the cars on the road (including
> mine) are over ten years old so expect it to be a decade before decent EVs
> are available to most - and that's assuming a lot get sold new this year.
>
> Also pushing ??? Walk into any car salesroom and start talking
> about their EVs and see how quickly they show you the diesels.
>

being a firm proponent of person to person contacts in affairs of that sort,
and most of the people I knew in the car business are retired as well, I have
lost interest. There are honest car dealers, but hard to find. I used to visit
an elderly relative in a care home (vernichtung stalag), and another old guy
would call by to give out about EV's. Serious costs for replacing a battery.

As long as they are making thinkpads.

--
greymausg@mail.com
where is our money gone, Dude?

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 by: Joe Pfeiffer - Fri, 3 Feb 2023 18:10 UTC

Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:

> Is anyone still here? Some pinhead posted a huge binary
> to the group, which is a pretty effective DOS attack.

I didn't notice it, getting my feed from eternal-september.org -- do
they filter?

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