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* Yet more advocacy...RabidPedagog
`* Re: Yet more advocacy...RonB
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 |||     `- Re: Yet more advocacy...Chris Ahlstrom
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 ||| `* Re: Yet more advocacy...RonB
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 |`- Re: Yet more advocacy...rbowman
 `* Re: Yet more advocacy...RabidPedagog
  `* Re: Yet more advocacy...RonB
   `* Re: Yet more advocacy...RabidPedagog
    `* Re: Yet more advocacy...RonB
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     |  | `* Re: Yet more advocacy...RonB
     |  |  `- Re: Yet more advocacy...rbowman
     |  `* Re: Yet more advocacy...-hh
     |   `* Re: Yet more advocacy...RabidPedagog
     |    `* Re: Yet more advocacy...rbowman
     |     `* Re: Yet more advocacy...RabidPedagog
     |      `* Re: Yet more advocacy...RonB
     |       `* Re: Yet more advocacy...RabidPedagog
     |        `* Re: Yet more advocacy...RonB
     |         `- Re: Yet more advocacy...RonB
     `* Re: Yet more advocacy...Chris Ahlstrom
      `* Re: Yet more advocacy...RonB
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       |+* Re: "Woke" is (hatred for)/(jealousy of) America, Whites and straight men.RabidPedagog
       ||+* Re: "Woke" is (hatred for)/(jealousy of) America, Whites and straight men.Chris Ahlstrom
       |||`* Re: "Woke" is (hatred for)/(jealousy of) America, Whites and straight men.RonB
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       ||| |  | `* Re: "Woke" is (hatred for)/(jealousy of) America, Whites and straight men.rbowman
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       ||| |  `* Re: "Woke" is (hatred for)/(jealousy of) America, Whites and straight men.RonB
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       ||| |    `- Re: "Woke" is (hatred for)/(jealousy of) America, Whites and straight men.RonB
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       |||  `- Re: "Woke" is (hatred for)/(jealousy of) America, Whites and straight men.RonB
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 by: RabidPedagog - Sat, 13 Jan 2024 02:36 UTC

.... from someone who is actually capable of pointing out Linux's flaws.
Imagine that.

One of my co-workers learned from the other teachers that I'm rather
technical and wondered whether I could restore a piece of garbage HP
laptop he got. He explained that Windows 10 was slow and that the
laptop's hinge was broken on one side. The screen was also randomly
disconnecting.

He brought it over to me at work and I discovered that it was a 7th
generation Intel Core i5. It was even more recent than the 4th
generation i7 I finally gave away after eight years. It was indeed slow
and the LCD panel was disconnecting so randomly and routinely that it
was truly a pain in the ass to use. It was in rough condition but I did
what I could.

I first determined that despite his beliefs, the hard disk was actually
fine. No bad sectors of any kind and even HP's own diagnostics software
in his BIOS determined that it was alright. For the screen, it seemed
that the cracked hinge compromised on the amount of pressure the laptop
needed to provide within the center of the unit, causing the system to
wonder whether the computer wanted to go into suspend or not. Once I
pinpointed the problem, we knew that there was nothing we could do about
the cosmetics, but it suddenly became workable. I then scanned his hard
disk for viruses offline using Kaspersky's offline virus scanner and
determined that there was no issue there either. I proceeded to do a few
updates he was missing, ran sfc to fix corrupt system files and
proceeded to do some more updates. Believe it or not, after two days of
letting the computer just run and go through the process, it's still not
done.

During the time that he stopped by to ask a few questions and talk some
politics, I wanted to prove to him that while I could restore Windows 10
to decent operational condition, he might want to take a look at his
computer's true potential through a live USB stick of Linux Mint Debian
Edition. The USB thumb drive actually loaded faster than his hard disk
installation of Windows 10 did, and he was impressed that I had access
to his Windows files through it. Additionally, the load time of
applications like Firefox and LibreOffice through a USB thumb drive
which I assured him was _much_ slower than his hard disk (USB 2.0)
absolutely stunned him. A detailed conversation of the philosophy of
Linux, open-source and personal beliefs later (despite our religious
differences, we think alike about), he was impressed and asked whether I
could make him a USB installer for Linux because I refused to install it
immediately without backing up his files. I ended up just giving him my
thumb drive. Needless to say, he's absolutely sold on Linux and how it
restored life into the machine others would already have recycled... or
sold to RonB.

I must say that my conversation with him, a good Muslim of all people,
as well as the Lunduke article and the fact that Windows 11 suddenly
decided my wireless nic shouldn't work right have been revelations to
me. I'm going to use Linux for a bit... if the big commercial games
don't play, that's fine: I'll just play the ones in my library that I
haven't finished which work great in Linux like Black Mesa, Road
Redemption and Streets of Rogue. Ubuntu 23.10 runs them all beautifully.

--
RabidPedagog
Catholic paleoconservative

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 by: RonB - Sat, 13 Jan 2024 08:04 UTC

On 2024-01-13, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:

> ... Needless to say, he's absolutely sold on Linux and how it
> restored life into the machine others would already have recycled... or
> sold to RonB.

7th generation i5? That's almost brand new. I'm typing this using a 4th
generation i5-4590T.

> I must say that my conversation with him, a good Muslim of all people,
> as well as the Lunduke article and the fact that Windows 11 suddenly
> decided my wireless nic shouldn't work right have been revelations to
> me. I'm going to use Linux for a bit... if the big commercial games
> don't play, that's fine: I'll just play the ones in my library that I
> haven't finished which work great in Linux like Black Mesa, Road
> Redemption and Streets of Rogue. Ubuntu 23.10 runs them all beautifully.

Good luck with Ubuntu. I would like to read that article on Lunduke but, so
far, haven't been able to find it.

--
"Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good."
-- Archbishop Charles J. Chaput

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 by: -hh - Sat, 13 Jan 2024 12:19 UTC

On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 3:04:46 AM UTC-5, RonB wrote:
> On 2024-01-13, RabidPedagog <ra...@pedag.og> wrote:
>
> > ... Needless to say, he's absolutely sold on Linux and how it
> > restored life into the machine others would already have recycled... or
> > sold to RonB.
>
> 7th generation i5? That's almost brand new. I'm typing this using a 4th
> generation i5-4590T.

Well, less than a decade old. Checking Wiki, 7th generation was the
"Kaby Lake", released in January 2017, so a mere seven years ago.

In the meantime, I saw an ad yesterday for a complete Geekom NUC PC on
sale for <$300 (no OS) which featured a 12th generation i5. I'm not familiar
with the company or website to recommend it, though, but here it is:

<https://www.geekompc.com/geekom-mini-air12-mini-pc/>

If I were looking for a Linux box to add to my fleet, its a pretty appealing
price point...especially since I have an old 1TB NVMe that I could drop into
it for 'free'.

-hh

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 by: RabidPedagog - Sat, 13 Jan 2024 12:34 UTC

On 1/13/24 03:04, RonB wrote:
> On 2024-01-13, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
>
>> ... Needless to say, he's absolutely sold on Linux and how it
>> restored life into the machine others would already have recycled... or
>> sold to RonB.
>
> 7th generation i5? That's almost brand new. I'm typing this using a 4th
> generation i5-4590T.

See, that's part of why I thought of you when I was looking at his
machine. I kid you not that when he brought the laptop over to me, one
of his Algerian friends (my school's student body and even teacher body
is very Algerian) took one look at it at and pretty much said that it's
meant for the landfill. That 7th generation sticker though told me
different since I knew what I could still get out of a 4th generation
machine. If Windows wasn't going to do the job, there was no doubt that
Linux would be wonderful on it.

>> I must say that my conversation with him, a good Muslim of all people,
>> as well as the Lunduke article and the fact that Windows 11 suddenly
>> decided my wireless nic shouldn't work right have been revelations to
>> me. I'm going to use Linux for a bit... if the big commercial games
>> don't play, that's fine: I'll just play the ones in my library that I
>> haven't finished which work great in Linux like Black Mesa, Road
>> Redemption and Streets of Rogue. Ubuntu 23.10 runs them all beautifully.
>
> Good luck with Ubuntu. I would like to read that article on Lunduke but, so
> far, haven't been able to find it.

I respect the man immensely so I don't want to share his premium content
unless I explicitly have his permission to do so. If anything, I shared
what I did to entice some of you to support his work. What I can tell
you is that he has the documents and that in one particular case, a
Microsoft employee tells a story of how they began the transition of
their 3-year-old because the child supposedly cried and said "Why did
God make me a girl when I'm a boy." I _have_ a three-year-old and there
is no _fucking_ way that a child that age could express such a thought.
This is more Communist gobbledygook and I will not support a company
that sees no issue with this.

--
RabidPedagog
Catholic paleoconservative

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 by: RabidPedagog - Sat, 13 Jan 2024 12:53 UTC

On 1/13/24 07:19, -hh wrote:
> On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 3:04:46 AM UTC-5, RonB wrote:
>> On 2024-01-13, RabidPedagog <ra...@pedag.og> wrote:
>>
>>> ... Needless to say, he's absolutely sold on Linux and how it
>>> restored life into the machine others would already have recycled... or
>>> sold to RonB.
>>
>> 7th generation i5? That's almost brand new. I'm typing this using a 4th
>> generation i5-4590T.
>
> Well, less than a decade old. Checking Wiki, 7th generation was the
> "Kaby Lake", released in January 2017, so a mere seven years ago.
>
> In the meantime, I saw an ad yesterday for a complete Geekom NUC PC on
> sale for <$300 (no OS) which featured a 12th generation i5. I'm not familiar
> with the company or website to recommend it, though, but here it is:
>
> <https://www.geekompc.com/geekom-mini-air12-mini-pc/>
>
> If I were looking for a Linux box to add to my fleet, its a pretty appealing
> price point...especially since I have an old 1TB NVMe that I could drop into
> it for 'free'.

I'll be the first to say that I wouldn't be ready to retire something
purchased in 2017 simply because Microsoft was no longer willing to
provide me with a decent experience on it. As it is, the 7th generations
perform rather well but aren't supported by Windows 11. Therefore, come
October 2025, Microsoft will officially be telling you to buzz off.

--
RabidPedagog
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 by: -hh - Sat, 13 Jan 2024 14:11 UTC

On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 7:53:14 AM UTC-5, RabidPedagog wrote:
> On 1/13/24 07:19, -hh wrote:
> > On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 3:04:46 AM UTC-5, RonB wrote:
> >> On 2024-01-13, RabidPedagog <ra...@pedag.og> wrote:
> >>
> >>> ... Needless to say, he's absolutely sold on Linux and how it
> >>> restored life into the machine others would already have recycled... or
> >>> sold to RonB.
> >>
> >> 7th generation i5? That's almost brand new. I'm typing this using a 4th
> >> generation i5-4590T.
> >
> > Well, less than a decade old. Checking Wiki, 7th generation was the
> > "Kaby Lake", released in January 2017, so a mere seven years ago.
> >
> > In the meantime, I saw an ad yesterday for a complete Geekom NUC PC on
> > sale for <$300 (no OS) which featured a 12th generation i5. I'm not familiar
> > with the company or website to recommend it, though, but here it is:
> >
> > <https://www.geekompc.com/geekom-mini-air12-mini-pc/>
> >
> > If I were looking for a Linux box to add to my fleet, its a pretty appealing
> > price point...especially since I have an old 1TB NVMe that I could drop into
> > it for 'free'.
>
> I'll be the first to say that I wouldn't be ready to retire something
> purchased in 2017 simply because Microsoft was no longer willing to
> provide me with a decent experience on it. As it is, the 7th generations
> perform rather well but aren't supported by Windows 11. Therefore, come
> October 2025, Microsoft will officially be telling you to buzz off.

Which is still ~2 years in the future, so plenty of things could change, even if
Microsoft doesn’t extend the Win10 EOL date.

Likewise, it’s been awhile since my last use of Win10, but that was on a then-
five year old laptop and it wasn’t miserably slow once it had booted up. As
such, the easy solution…and one that I’d probably used for 15-20 years…is to
just leave the machine running (& asleep) instead of shutting it down.

Case in point, a quick look at uptime, I’m seeing 23 & 25 days on the desktops,
and 30 days on the laptop which is overdue to having its battery pack replaced.

-hh

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On 2024-01-13, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
> On 1/13/24 03:04, RonB wrote:
>> On 2024-01-13, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
>>
>>> ... Needless to say, he's absolutely sold on Linux and how it
>>> restored life into the machine others would already have recycled... or
>>> sold to RonB.
>>
>> 7th generation i5? That's almost brand new. I'm typing this using a 4th
>> generation i5-4590T.
>
> See, that's part of why I thought of you when I was looking at his
> machine. I kid you not that when he brought the laptop over to me, one
> of his Algerian friends (my school's student body and even teacher body
> is very Algerian) took one look at it at and pretty much said that it's
> meant for the landfill. That 7th generation sticker though told me
> different since I knew what I could still get out of a 4th generation
> machine. If Windows wasn't going to do the job, there was no doubt that
> Linux would be wonderful on it.
>
>>> I must say that my conversation with him, a good Muslim of all people,
>>> as well as the Lunduke article and the fact that Windows 11 suddenly
>>> decided my wireless nic shouldn't work right have been revelations to
>>> me. I'm going to use Linux for a bit... if the big commercial games
>>> don't play, that's fine: I'll just play the ones in my library that I
>>> haven't finished which work great in Linux like Black Mesa, Road
>>> Redemption and Streets of Rogue. Ubuntu 23.10 runs them all beautifully.
>>
>> Good luck with Ubuntu. I would like to read that article on Lunduke but, so
>> far, haven't been able to find it.
>
> I respect the man immensely so I don't want to share his premium content
> unless I explicitly have his permission to do so. If anything, I shared
> what I did to entice some of you to support his work. What I can tell
> you is that he has the documents and that in one particular case, a
> Microsoft employee tells a story of how they began the transition of
> their 3-year-old because the child supposedly cried and said "Why did
> God make me a girl when I'm a boy." I _have_ a three-year-old and there
> is no _fucking_ way that a child that age could express such a thought.
> This is more Communist gobbledygook and I will not support a company
> that sees no issue with this.

You're right about the gobbledygook. Pure, made up, unadulterated bullshit.
Sick bastards. A lot of peer pressure in these piece of shit corporations to
be "Woker" than the rest. That's how they get promoted.

Look at Disney. Almost every movie they put out this past year lost at least
$100 million dollars (some much more). And yet they're not backing down on
their Woke bullshit. They don't have to, the slimeballs at Blackrock are
backing their play. It makes no financial sense whatsoever, it's purely
agenda driven. And the agenda is satanic.

--
"Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good."
-- Archbishop Charles J. Chaput

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 by: RabidPedagog - Sat, 13 Jan 2024 15:18 UTC

On 1/13/24 09:46, RonB wrote:
> On 2024-01-13, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
>> On 1/13/24 03:04, RonB wrote:
>>> On 2024-01-13, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
>>>
>>>> ... Needless to say, he's absolutely sold on Linux and how it
>>>> restored life into the machine others would already have recycled... or
>>>> sold to RonB.
>>>
>>> 7th generation i5? That's almost brand new. I'm typing this using a 4th
>>> generation i5-4590T.
>>
>> See, that's part of why I thought of you when I was looking at his
>> machine. I kid you not that when he brought the laptop over to me, one
>> of his Algerian friends (my school's student body and even teacher body
>> is very Algerian) took one look at it at and pretty much said that it's
>> meant for the landfill. That 7th generation sticker though told me
>> different since I knew what I could still get out of a 4th generation
>> machine. If Windows wasn't going to do the job, there was no doubt that
>> Linux would be wonderful on it.
>>
>>>> I must say that my conversation with him, a good Muslim of all people,
>>>> as well as the Lunduke article and the fact that Windows 11 suddenly
>>>> decided my wireless nic shouldn't work right have been revelations to
>>>> me. I'm going to use Linux for a bit... if the big commercial games
>>>> don't play, that's fine: I'll just play the ones in my library that I
>>>> haven't finished which work great in Linux like Black Mesa, Road
>>>> Redemption and Streets of Rogue. Ubuntu 23.10 runs them all beautifully.
>>>
>>> Good luck with Ubuntu. I would like to read that article on Lunduke but, so
>>> far, haven't been able to find it.
>>
>> I respect the man immensely so I don't want to share his premium content
>> unless I explicitly have his permission to do so. If anything, I shared
>> what I did to entice some of you to support his work. What I can tell
>> you is that he has the documents and that in one particular case, a
>> Microsoft employee tells a story of how they began the transition of
>> their 3-year-old because the child supposedly cried and said "Why did
>> God make me a girl when I'm a boy." I _have_ a three-year-old and there
>> is no _fucking_ way that a child that age could express such a thought.
>> This is more Communist gobbledygook and I will not support a company
>> that sees no issue with this.
>
> You're right about the gobbledygook. Pure, made up, unadulterated bullshit.
> Sick bastards. A lot of peer pressure in these piece of shit corporations to
> be "Woker" than the rest. That's how they get promoted.

May their corporations fail, though Microsoft just got a higher
valuation than Apple...

> Look at Disney. Almost every movie they put out this past year lost at least
> $100 million dollars (some much more). And yet they're not backing down on
> their Woke bullshit. They don't have to, the slimeballs at Blackrock are
> backing their play. It makes no financial sense whatsoever, it's purely
> agenda driven. And the agenda is satanic.

As long as people keep buying, they'll survive and won't learn a lesson.
They reduced their profits but still made some money so you'll be seeing
more of the garbage in the next few years. We're going to be a minority
resisting this, but we'll grow organically to a point that they will
have no choice but to reconsider their position... assuming they
actually care about making money at all. It seems to me that they're
ready to go down in flames as long as they manage to convince people
that gender is fluid.

--
RabidPedagog
Catholic paleoconservative

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On 2024-01-13, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
> On 1/13/24 07:19, -hh wrote:
>> On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 3:04:46 AM UTC-5, RonB wrote:
>>> On 2024-01-13, RabidPedagog <ra...@pedag.og> wrote:
>>>
>>>> ... Needless to say, he's absolutely sold on Linux and how it
>>>> restored life into the machine others would already have recycled... or
>>>> sold to RonB.
>>>
>>> 7th generation i5? That's almost brand new. I'm typing this using a 4th
>>> generation i5-4590T.
>>
>> Well, less than a decade old. Checking Wiki, 7th generation was the
>> "Kaby Lake", released in January 2017, so a mere seven years ago.
>>
>> In the meantime, I saw an ad yesterday for a complete Geekom NUC PC on
>> sale for <$300 (no OS) which featured a 12th generation i5. I'm not familiar
>> with the company or website to recommend it, though, but here it is:
>>
>> <https://www.geekompc.com/geekom-mini-air12-mini-pc/>
>>
>> If I were looking for a Linux box to add to my fleet, its a pretty appealing
>> price point...especially since I have an old 1TB NVMe that I could drop into
>> it for 'free'.
>
> I'll be the first to say that I wouldn't be ready to retire something
> purchased in 2017 simply because Microsoft was no longer willing to
> provide me with a decent experience on it. As it is, the 7th generations
> perform rather well but aren't supported by Windows 11. Therefore, come
> October 2025, Microsoft will officially be telling you to buzz off.

So far, anyhow, there's a workaround for installing Windows 11 on older
computers. I've got Windows 11 running on a Latitude e7250 — 12.5" screen,
i5-5300u processor (5th generation). Seems to run pretty well. I haven't
installed much of anything, however. If I was going to use it regularly (I'm
not) I would upgrade the RAM to 16 GBs insted of 8 GBs. (I'll let whoever
buys it or whoever "inherits" it worry about upgrading the memory, however.)

--
"Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good."
-- Archbishop Charles J. Chaput

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On 2024-01-13, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
> On 1/13/24 09:46, RonB wrote:
>> On 2024-01-13, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
>>> On 1/13/24 03:04, RonB wrote:
>>>> On 2024-01-13, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ... Needless to say, he's absolutely sold on Linux and how it
>>>>> restored life into the machine others would already have recycled... or
>>>>> sold to RonB.
>>>>
>>>> 7th generation i5? That's almost brand new. I'm typing this using a 4th
>>>> generation i5-4590T.
>>>
>>> See, that's part of why I thought of you when I was looking at his
>>> machine. I kid you not that when he brought the laptop over to me, one
>>> of his Algerian friends (my school's student body and even teacher body
>>> is very Algerian) took one look at it at and pretty much said that it's
>>> meant for the landfill. That 7th generation sticker though told me
>>> different since I knew what I could still get out of a 4th generation
>>> machine. If Windows wasn't going to do the job, there was no doubt that
>>> Linux would be wonderful on it.
>>>
>>>>> I must say that my conversation with him, a good Muslim of all people,
>>>>> as well as the Lunduke article and the fact that Windows 11 suddenly
>>>>> decided my wireless nic shouldn't work right have been revelations to
>>>>> me. I'm going to use Linux for a bit... if the big commercial games
>>>>> don't play, that's fine: I'll just play the ones in my library that I
>>>>> haven't finished which work great in Linux like Black Mesa, Road
>>>>> Redemption and Streets of Rogue. Ubuntu 23.10 runs them all beautifully.
>>>>
>>>> Good luck with Ubuntu. I would like to read that article on Lunduke but, so
>>>> far, haven't been able to find it.
>>>
>>> I respect the man immensely so I don't want to share his premium content
>>> unless I explicitly have his permission to do so. If anything, I shared
>>> what I did to entice some of you to support his work. What I can tell
>>> you is that he has the documents and that in one particular case, a
>>> Microsoft employee tells a story of how they began the transition of
>>> their 3-year-old because the child supposedly cried and said "Why did
>>> God make me a girl when I'm a boy." I _have_ a three-year-old and there
>>> is no _fucking_ way that a child that age could express such a thought.
>>> This is more Communist gobbledygook and I will not support a company
>>> that sees no issue with this.
>>
>> You're right about the gobbledygook. Pure, made up, unadulterated bullshit.
>> Sick bastards. A lot of peer pressure in these piece of shit corporations to
>> be "Woker" than the rest. That's how they get promoted.
>
> May their corporations fail, though Microsoft just got a higher
> valuation than Apple...
>
>> Look at Disney. Almost every movie they put out this past year lost at least
>> $100 million dollars (some much more). And yet they're not backing down on
>> their Woke bullshit. They don't have to, the slimeballs at Blackrock are
>> backing their play. It makes no financial sense whatsoever, it's purely
>> agenda driven. And the agenda is satanic.
>
> As long as people keep buying, they'll survive and won't learn a lesson.
> They reduced their profits but still made some money so you'll be seeing
> more of the garbage in the next few years. We're going to be a minority
> resisting this, but we'll grow organically to a point that they will
> have no choice but to reconsider their position... assuming they
> actually care about making money at all. It seems to me that they're
> ready to go down in flames as long as they manage to convince people
> that gender is fluid.

I don't think Disney made much money this year (if any). Sales way down in
the theaters and the theme parks did poorly as well — and they're still
losing money and subscribers with Disney+ streaming — fell below Prime Video
recently. Apparently even ESPN's viewer ratings are down. They did fire a
lot of people and canceled a couple big movies that were supposed to go
into production. But what they are still making looks like the same old
crap. Lesson not learned.

And it's official. The best selling beer in the U.S. for the last two
decades, Bud Light, has been knocked off its throne by Modelo Especial.
Funny to see it in the center aisle of the grocery store instead of Bud
Light. Go Woke, go broke.

--
"Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good."
-- Archbishop Charles J. Chaput

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 by: RabidPedagog - Sat, 13 Jan 2024 16:05 UTC

On 1/13/24 10:19, RonB wrote:
> On 2024-01-13, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
>> On 1/13/24 07:19, -hh wrote:
>>> On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 3:04:46 AM UTC-5, RonB wrote:
>>>> On 2024-01-13, RabidPedagog <ra...@pedag.og> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ... Needless to say, he's absolutely sold on Linux and how it
>>>>> restored life into the machine others would already have recycled... or
>>>>> sold to RonB.
>>>>
>>>> 7th generation i5? That's almost brand new. I'm typing this using a 4th
>>>> generation i5-4590T.
>>>
>>> Well, less than a decade old. Checking Wiki, 7th generation was the
>>> "Kaby Lake", released in January 2017, so a mere seven years ago.
>>>
>>> In the meantime, I saw an ad yesterday for a complete Geekom NUC PC on
>>> sale for <$300 (no OS) which featured a 12th generation i5. I'm not familiar
>>> with the company or website to recommend it, though, but here it is:
>>>
>>> <https://www.geekompc.com/geekom-mini-air12-mini-pc/>
>>>
>>> If I were looking for a Linux box to add to my fleet, its a pretty appealing
>>> price point...especially since I have an old 1TB NVMe that I could drop into
>>> it for 'free'.
>>
>> I'll be the first to say that I wouldn't be ready to retire something
>> purchased in 2017 simply because Microsoft was no longer willing to
>> provide me with a decent experience on it. As it is, the 7th generations
>> perform rather well but aren't supported by Windows 11. Therefore, come
>> October 2025, Microsoft will officially be telling you to buzz off.
>
> So far, anyhow, there's a workaround for installing Windows 11 on older
> computers. I've got Windows 11 running on a Latitude e7250 — 12.5" screen,
> i5-5300u processor (5th generation). Seems to run pretty well. I haven't
> installed much of anything, however. If I was going to use it regularly (I'm
> not) I would upgrade the RAM to 16 GBs insted of 8 GBs. (I'll let whoever
> buys it or whoever "inherits" it worry about upgrading the memory, however.)

I wonder if there is anyone out there who will see that they absolutely
_need_ to have Windows 11 on a very old computer. I can imagine needing
to run the operating system because you're regularly using the new
versions of software on workhorse to generate 3D models or edit video,
but what old machine would need Windows 11?

--
RabidPedagog
Catholic paleoconservative

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 by: RabidPedagog - Sat, 13 Jan 2024 16:31 UTC

On 1/13/24 10:52, RonB wrote:
> On 2024-01-13, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
>> On 1/13/24 09:46, RonB wrote:
>>> On 2024-01-13, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
>>>> On 1/13/24 03:04, RonB wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-01-13, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> ... Needless to say, he's absolutely sold on Linux and how it
>>>>>> restored life into the machine others would already have recycled... or
>>>>>> sold to RonB.
>>>>>
>>>>> 7th generation i5? That's almost brand new. I'm typing this using a 4th
>>>>> generation i5-4590T.
>>>>
>>>> See, that's part of why I thought of you when I was looking at his
>>>> machine. I kid you not that when he brought the laptop over to me, one
>>>> of his Algerian friends (my school's student body and even teacher body
>>>> is very Algerian) took one look at it at and pretty much said that it's
>>>> meant for the landfill. That 7th generation sticker though told me
>>>> different since I knew what I could still get out of a 4th generation
>>>> machine. If Windows wasn't going to do the job, there was no doubt that
>>>> Linux would be wonderful on it.
>>>>
>>>>>> I must say that my conversation with him, a good Muslim of all people,
>>>>>> as well as the Lunduke article and the fact that Windows 11 suddenly
>>>>>> decided my wireless nic shouldn't work right have been revelations to
>>>>>> me. I'm going to use Linux for a bit... if the big commercial games
>>>>>> don't play, that's fine: I'll just play the ones in my library that I
>>>>>> haven't finished which work great in Linux like Black Mesa, Road
>>>>>> Redemption and Streets of Rogue. Ubuntu 23.10 runs them all beautifully.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good luck with Ubuntu. I would like to read that article on Lunduke but, so
>>>>> far, haven't been able to find it.
>>>>
>>>> I respect the man immensely so I don't want to share his premium content
>>>> unless I explicitly have his permission to do so. If anything, I shared
>>>> what I did to entice some of you to support his work. What I can tell
>>>> you is that he has the documents and that in one particular case, a
>>>> Microsoft employee tells a story of how they began the transition of
>>>> their 3-year-old because the child supposedly cried and said "Why did
>>>> God make me a girl when I'm a boy." I _have_ a three-year-old and there
>>>> is no _fucking_ way that a child that age could express such a thought.
>>>> This is more Communist gobbledygook and I will not support a company
>>>> that sees no issue with this.
>>>
>>> You're right about the gobbledygook. Pure, made up, unadulterated bullshit.
>>> Sick bastards. A lot of peer pressure in these piece of shit corporations to
>>> be "Woker" than the rest. That's how they get promoted.
>>
>> May their corporations fail, though Microsoft just got a higher
>> valuation than Apple...
>>
>>> Look at Disney. Almost every movie they put out this past year lost at least
>>> $100 million dollars (some much more). And yet they're not backing down on
>>> their Woke bullshit. They don't have to, the slimeballs at Blackrock are
>>> backing their play. It makes no financial sense whatsoever, it's purely
>>> agenda driven. And the agenda is satanic.
>>
>> As long as people keep buying, they'll survive and won't learn a lesson.
>> They reduced their profits but still made some money so you'll be seeing
>> more of the garbage in the next few years. We're going to be a minority
>> resisting this, but we'll grow organically to a point that they will
>> have no choice but to reconsider their position... assuming they
>> actually care about making money at all. It seems to me that they're
>> ready to go down in flames as long as they manage to convince people
>> that gender is fluid.
>
> I don't think Disney made much money this year (if any). Sales way down in
> the theaters and the theme parks did poorly as well — and they're still
> losing money and subscribers with Disney+ streaming — fell below Prime Video
> recently. Apparently even ESPN's viewer ratings are down. They did fire a
> lot of people and canceled a couple big movies that were supposed to go
> into production. But what they are still making looks like the same old
> crap. Lesson not learned.

With ESPN, I am aware that they had a few nuggets there who thought it
was more important to do activism than to give sports fans information
on said sports. I believe that some were fired for making it obvious but
I have no reason to believe that Disney/ABC didn't encourage them to
blame Whitey for something or other. As for Disney, if their content is
anything like the Star Wars movies I watched on Netflix or wherever
recently, I don't blame people for unsubscribing. I actually follow a
channel called Nerdrotic on YouTube which talks about the stuff they
produce (from a conservative perspective) and if what they say is true,
I'm better off for not seeing it.

> And it's official. The best selling beer in the U.S. for the last two
> decades, Bud Light, has been knocked off its throne by Modelo Especial.
> Funny to see it in the center aisle of the grocery store instead of Bud
> Light. Go Woke, go broke.

I preferred to simply swear off of alcohol entirely. I never much liked
the taste of it and alcohol does very little to me (Polish genetics +
body size makes it more or less ineffective) so I decided I wouldn't
waste money on it anymore. All it ever did was add weight to my belly.

--
RabidPedagog
Catholic paleoconservative

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RonB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> <brevity snip>
>
> And it's official. The best selling beer in the U.S. for the last two
> decades, Bud Light, has been knocked off its throne by Modelo Especial.
> Funny to see it in the center aisle of the grocery store instead of Bud
> Light. Go Woke, go broke.

To be fair, Modelo Especial is a pretty good lager. The only time I could
tolerate Bud Light is after playing a soccer game when thirsty as hell.
For me, wokeness or lack thereof is not something I consider when ordering a
beer :-D

--
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"one when he was a boy and one when he was a man."
-- Mark Twain

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 by: Joel - Sat, 13 Jan 2024 19:11 UTC

RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:

>I'll be the first to say that I wouldn't be ready to retire something
>purchased in 2017 simply because Microsoft was no longer willing to
>provide me with a decent experience on it. As it is, the 7th generations
>perform rather well but aren't supported by Windows 11. Therefore, come
>October 2025, Microsoft will officially be telling you to buzz off.

My Intel CPU is 10th gen, it would easily support Win12, giving this
box a rather long supported life, born in April of 2021 to Win10 20H2,
remaining current until 27H2 when Win13 becomes such, and remaining
supported until late 2034, more than 13 years of support from
Microsoft. Which is damn good, I built at a good time for that, just
before Win11 was announced. But it'll be even *better*, with Linux,
because I'll still have the latest version, in 2028 and beyond. Dead-
ending with Win12 is a downside to trying to use M$ effectively, to
get the most out of my machine.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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On Sat, 13 Jan 2024 04:19:54 -0800 (PST), -hh wrote:

> In the meantime, I saw an ad yesterday for a complete Geekom NUC PC on
> sale for <$300 (no OS) which featured a 12th generation i5. I'm not
> familiar with the company or website to recommend it, though, but here
> it is:
>
> <https://www.geekompc.com/geekom-mini-air12-mini-pc/>

There are3 a lot of them. I suspect if you traced their ancestry you would
wind up in the same places. Intel got out of NUCs last year and passed the
business to Asus but it's not like there is any specification of what a
NUC is.
> If I were looking for a Linux box to add to my fleet, its a pretty
> appealing price point...especially since I have an old 1TB NVMe that I
> could drop into it for 'free'.

I bought a Beelink for my home Linux machine a couple of years ago. While
they had Intel offerings I went with the AMD Zen. The specs are almost
identical with my Acer Swift 3 laptop.

It's suited to my uses although you can get some real beasts in that form
factor. If you need slots a tower may still make sense bit with SSDs and
the declining use of DVDs you don't need the drive bays that took up a lot
of real estate. In turn that reduces the power supply requirements unless
you're feeding a video card.

I first got interested when the company bought a Mac mini to compile code
for an iPhone project and decided to experiment. iirc it was $380 so I
wouldn't be out much if it didn't work out. It came with Windows 11 but
that didn't last long. I had no need for a dual boot so it was a clean
Ubuntu install.

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 by: RonB - Sun, 14 Jan 2024 11:22 UTC

On 2024-01-13, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
> On 1/13/24 10:19, RonB wrote:
>> On 2024-01-13, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
>>> On 1/13/24 07:19, -hh wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 3:04:46 AM UTC-5, RonB wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-01-13, RabidPedagog <ra...@pedag.og> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> ... Needless to say, he's absolutely sold on Linux and how it
>>>>>> restored life into the machine others would already have recycled... or
>>>>>> sold to RonB.
>>>>>
>>>>> 7th generation i5? That's almost brand new. I'm typing this using a 4th
>>>>> generation i5-4590T.
>>>>
>>>> Well, less than a decade old. Checking Wiki, 7th generation was the
>>>> "Kaby Lake", released in January 2017, so a mere seven years ago.
>>>>
>>>> In the meantime, I saw an ad yesterday for a complete Geekom NUC PC on
>>>> sale for <$300 (no OS) which featured a 12th generation i5. I'm not familiar
>>>> with the company or website to recommend it, though, but here it is:
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.geekompc.com/geekom-mini-air12-mini-pc/>
>>>>
>>>> If I were looking for a Linux box to add to my fleet, its a pretty appealing
>>>> price point...especially since I have an old 1TB NVMe that I could drop into
>>>> it for 'free'.
>>>
>>> I'll be the first to say that I wouldn't be ready to retire something
>>> purchased in 2017 simply because Microsoft was no longer willing to
>>> provide me with a decent experience on it. As it is, the 7th generations
>>> perform rather well but aren't supported by Windows 11. Therefore, come
>>> October 2025, Microsoft will officially be telling you to buzz off.
>>
>> So far, anyhow, there's a workaround for installing Windows 11 on older
>> computers. I've got Windows 11 running on a Latitude e7250 — 12.5" screen,
>> i5-5300u processor (5th generation). Seems to run pretty well. I haven't
>> installed much of anything, however. If I was going to use it regularly (I'm
>> not) I would upgrade the RAM to 16 GBs insted of 8 GBs. (I'll let whoever
>> buys it or whoever "inherits" it worry about upgrading the memory, however.)
>
> I wonder if there is anyone out there who will see that they absolutely
> _need_ to have Windows 11 on a very old computer. I can imagine needing
> to run the operating system because you're regularly using the new
> versions of software on workhorse to generate 3D models or edit video,
> but what old machine would need Windows 11?

I think a lot of people who can't afford a new computer will think they
"need" Windows 11 because they'll be told that Windows 10 will no longer be
supported. Whether that is true or not is another matter. As I mentioned in
a different post, for a lot of people the desktop or laptop computer is
secondary to a smartphone or tablet, so they update these devices every
other year and fire up the old computer for taxes or to store their pictures.
That's basically all one of my nephews ever uses his computer for. He uses
an Android tablet, his wife uses an iPad, for almost all their "computing."
Their computer sits in the corner and waits for tax time, or pictures dumped
form the iPhone.

--
"Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good."
-- Archbishop Charles J. Chaput

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On 2024-01-13, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
> On 1/13/24 10:52, RonB wrote:
>> On 2024-01-13, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
>>> On 1/13/24 09:46, RonB wrote:
>>>> On 2024-01-13, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
>>>>> On 1/13/24 03:04, RonB wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-01-13, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ... Needless to say, he's absolutely sold on Linux and how it
>>>>>>> restored life into the machine others would already have recycled... or
>>>>>>> sold to RonB.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 7th generation i5? That's almost brand new. I'm typing this using a 4th
>>>>>> generation i5-4590T.
>>>>>
>>>>> See, that's part of why I thought of you when I was looking at his
>>>>> machine. I kid you not that when he brought the laptop over to me, one
>>>>> of his Algerian friends (my school's student body and even teacher body
>>>>> is very Algerian) took one look at it at and pretty much said that it's
>>>>> meant for the landfill. That 7th generation sticker though told me
>>>>> different since I knew what I could still get out of a 4th generation
>>>>> machine. If Windows wasn't going to do the job, there was no doubt that
>>>>> Linux would be wonderful on it.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> I must say that my conversation with him, a good Muslim of all people,
>>>>>>> as well as the Lunduke article and the fact that Windows 11 suddenly
>>>>>>> decided my wireless nic shouldn't work right have been revelations to
>>>>>>> me. I'm going to use Linux for a bit... if the big commercial games
>>>>>>> don't play, that's fine: I'll just play the ones in my library that I
>>>>>>> haven't finished which work great in Linux like Black Mesa, Road
>>>>>>> Redemption and Streets of Rogue. Ubuntu 23.10 runs them all beautifully.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good luck with Ubuntu. I would like to read that article on Lunduke but, so
>>>>>> far, haven't been able to find it.
>>>>>
>>>>> I respect the man immensely so I don't want to share his premium content
>>>>> unless I explicitly have his permission to do so. If anything, I shared
>>>>> what I did to entice some of you to support his work. What I can tell
>>>>> you is that he has the documents and that in one particular case, a
>>>>> Microsoft employee tells a story of how they began the transition of
>>>>> their 3-year-old because the child supposedly cried and said "Why did
>>>>> God make me a girl when I'm a boy." I _have_ a three-year-old and there
>>>>> is no _fucking_ way that a child that age could express such a thought.
>>>>> This is more Communist gobbledygook and I will not support a company
>>>>> that sees no issue with this.
>>>>
>>>> You're right about the gobbledygook. Pure, made up, unadulterated bullshit.
>>>> Sick bastards. A lot of peer pressure in these piece of shit corporations to
>>>> be "Woker" than the rest. That's how they get promoted.
>>>
>>> May their corporations fail, though Microsoft just got a higher
>>> valuation than Apple...
>>>
>>>> Look at Disney. Almost every movie they put out this past year lost at least
>>>> $100 million dollars (some much more). And yet they're not backing down on
>>>> their Woke bullshit. They don't have to, the slimeballs at Blackrock are
>>>> backing their play. It makes no financial sense whatsoever, it's purely
>>>> agenda driven. And the agenda is satanic.
>>>
>>> As long as people keep buying, they'll survive and won't learn a lesson.
>>> They reduced their profits but still made some money so you'll be seeing
>>> more of the garbage in the next few years. We're going to be a minority
>>> resisting this, but we'll grow organically to a point that they will
>>> have no choice but to reconsider their position... assuming they
>>> actually care about making money at all. It seems to me that they're
>>> ready to go down in flames as long as they manage to convince people
>>> that gender is fluid.
>>
>> I don't think Disney made much money this year (if any). Sales way down in
>> the theaters and the theme parks did poorly as well — and they're still
>> losing money and subscribers with Disney+ streaming — fell below Prime Video
>> recently. Apparently even ESPN's viewer ratings are down. They did fire a
>> lot of people and canceled a couple big movies that were supposed to go
>> into production. But what they are still making looks like the same old
>> crap. Lesson not learned.
>
> With ESPN, I am aware that they had a few nuggets there who thought it
> was more important to do activism than to give sports fans information
> on said sports. I believe that some were fired for making it obvious but
> I have no reason to believe that Disney/ABC didn't encourage them to
> blame Whitey for something or other. As for Disney, if their content is
> anything like the Star Wars movies I watched on Netflix or wherever
> recently, I don't blame people for unsubscribing. I actually follow a
> channel called Nerdrotic on YouTube which talks about the stuff they
> produce (from a conservative perspective) and if what they say is true,
> I'm better off for not seeing it.

I've watch Nerdrotic every now and then. But the main one I watch is The
Critical Drinker, a Scotsman who is very sarcastic about Woke crap in
Hollywood. He also has a group discussion thing with some of the others,
like the guy on Nerdrotic. He's personally a successful who can't stand the
crappy movies coming out now.

As for Disney... If you look on BoxOffice Mojo, you'll see that "The
Marvels" cost nearly $300 million dollars to make, with an advertising
budget of over $100 million. So it would have to make about $800 to $900
million to break (because theaters get their cut). The Marvels barely made
$200 million worldwide. In the United States it made about $85 million
throughout its whole theater run (several Marvel movies made that in their
first night or least weekend). The last Captain Marvel movie, before Disney
was completely taken over by Woke stupidity, brought in $1.2 Billion.

None of the Marvel movies (which routinely made close to a $1 Billion
dollars in the past, broke even this year, except Guardians of the Galaxy,
which barely broke even. So Disney has managed to destroy Marvel Studios, or
at very least, seriously wound it.

But they've also managed to destroy Lucas Films (Star Wars and Indiana Jones
franchises). They've basically killed Pixar (Lightyear bombed), which was
the most successful animation studio until Disney got hold of it. They've
even destroyed Disney Studios. Their latest Disney animated movie is near
the end of its run, and it made slightly over $200 million worldwide and
only $63 million in the U.S. And this was supposed to be their "100th
Anniversary movie."

They've gotten rid of all their talent and in their place hired the Woke and
given them an agenda. Disney has even admitted in their own SEC filing
that...

“Generally, our revenues and profitability are adversely impacted when our
entertainment offerings and products, as well as our methods to make our
offerings and products available to consumers, do not achieve sufficient
consumer acceptance,” ... “consumers’ perceptions of our position on
matters of public interest, including our efforts to achieve certain of
our environmental and social goals, often differ widely and present risks
to our reputation and brands.”

Meanwhile there's a brewing proxy war and Iger has been talking about
selling Disney (or chunks of Disney) to Apple or other buyers. The stocks
have recover from below $80 per share to about $90, but that's still way
short of the $190 a share just a couple years ago.

Disney is in trouble. Would probably be in a LOT more trouble if Blackrock
wasn't propping them up.

>> And it's official. The best selling beer in the U.S. for the last two
>> decades, Bud Light, has been knocked off its throne by Modelo Especial.
>> Funny to see it in the center aisle of the grocery store instead of Bud
>> Light. Go Woke, go broke.
>
> I preferred to simply swear off of alcohol entirely. I never much liked
> the taste of it and alcohol does very little to me (Polish genetics +
> body size makes it more or less ineffective) so I decided I wouldn't
> waste money on it anymore. All it ever did was add weight to my belly.


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On 2024-01-13, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
> RonB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> <brevity snip>
>>
>> And it's official. The best selling beer in the U.S. for the last two
>> decades, Bud Light, has been knocked off its throne by Modelo Especial.
>> Funny to see it in the center aisle of the grocery store instead of Bud
>> Light. Go Woke, go broke.
>
> To be fair, Modelo Especial is a pretty good lager. The only time I could
> tolerate Bud Light is after playing a soccer game when thirsty as hell.
> For me, wokeness or lack thereof is not something I consider when ordering a
> beer :-D

For about a third of the *former* Bud Light customers, it is something they
*still* think about as they *don't* buy Bud Light. Considering the kind of
ads that made Bud Light successful and the kind of customers they aimed for
in those ads, this was probably the most stupid blunder in advertising ever.
The man who ran Bud Light's ad campaigns for two decades was completely
disgusted at seeing all his work shot down in five minutes.

That said, I've heard that Bud Light wasn't very good beer. I don't drink
beer, so I wouldn't (personally) know. But, if that is true, that's all the
more reason not to destroy your market with stupid, Woke advertising. A lot
of the Bud Light drinkers probably discovered that they were buying an
inferior beer anyhow.

Ironically, Budweiser (or rather their parent company now) owns Modelo
Especial in the rest of the world. They had to divest themselves of it in
the United States when they merged with... whoever it is they merged with.
I've seen a few of the Modelo ads — not Woke at all.

Go Woke, go broke.

--
"Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good."
-- Archbishop Charles J. Chaput

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 by: RonB - Sun, 14 Jan 2024 12:12 UTC

On 2024-01-14, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2024-01-13, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
>> On 1/13/24 10:52, RonB wrote:
>>> On 2024-01-13, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
>>>> On 1/13/24 09:46, RonB wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-01-13, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
>>>>>> On 1/13/24 03:04, RonB wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-01-13, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ... Needless to say, he's absolutely sold on Linux and how it
>>>>>>>> restored life into the machine others would already have recycled... or
>>>>>>>> sold to RonB.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 7th generation i5? That's almost brand new. I'm typing this using a 4th
>>>>>>> generation i5-4590T.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> See, that's part of why I thought of you when I was looking at his
>>>>>> machine. I kid you not that when he brought the laptop over to me, one
>>>>>> of his Algerian friends (my school's student body and even teacher body
>>>>>> is very Algerian) took one look at it at and pretty much said that it's
>>>>>> meant for the landfill. That 7th generation sticker though told me
>>>>>> different since I knew what I could still get out of a 4th generation
>>>>>> machine. If Windows wasn't going to do the job, there was no doubt that
>>>>>> Linux would be wonderful on it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I must say that my conversation with him, a good Muslim of all people,
>>>>>>>> as well as the Lunduke article and the fact that Windows 11 suddenly
>>>>>>>> decided my wireless nic shouldn't work right have been revelations to
>>>>>>>> me. I'm going to use Linux for a bit... if the big commercial games
>>>>>>>> don't play, that's fine: I'll just play the ones in my library that I
>>>>>>>> haven't finished which work great in Linux like Black Mesa, Road
>>>>>>>> Redemption and Streets of Rogue. Ubuntu 23.10 runs them all beautifully.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Good luck with Ubuntu. I would like to read that article on Lunduke but, so
>>>>>>> far, haven't been able to find it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I respect the man immensely so I don't want to share his premium content
>>>>>> unless I explicitly have his permission to do so. If anything, I shared
>>>>>> what I did to entice some of you to support his work. What I can tell
>>>>>> you is that he has the documents and that in one particular case, a
>>>>>> Microsoft employee tells a story of how they began the transition of
>>>>>> their 3-year-old because the child supposedly cried and said "Why did
>>>>>> God make me a girl when I'm a boy." I _have_ a three-year-old and there
>>>>>> is no _fucking_ way that a child that age could express such a thought.
>>>>>> This is more Communist gobbledygook and I will not support a company
>>>>>> that sees no issue with this.
>>>>>
>>>>> You're right about the gobbledygook. Pure, made up, unadulterated bullshit.
>>>>> Sick bastards. A lot of peer pressure in these piece of shit corporations to
>>>>> be "Woker" than the rest. That's how they get promoted.
>>>>
>>>> May their corporations fail, though Microsoft just got a higher
>>>> valuation than Apple...
>>>>
>>>>> Look at Disney. Almost every movie they put out this past year lost at least
>>>>> $100 million dollars (some much more). And yet they're not backing down on
>>>>> their Woke bullshit. They don't have to, the slimeballs at Blackrock are
>>>>> backing their play. It makes no financial sense whatsoever, it's purely
>>>>> agenda driven. And the agenda is satanic.
>>>>
>>>> As long as people keep buying, they'll survive and won't learn a lesson.
>>>> They reduced their profits but still made some money so you'll be seeing
>>>> more of the garbage in the next few years. We're going to be a minority
>>>> resisting this, but we'll grow organically to a point that they will
>>>> have no choice but to reconsider their position... assuming they
>>>> actually care about making money at all. It seems to me that they're
>>>> ready to go down in flames as long as they manage to convince people
>>>> that gender is fluid.
>>>
>>> I don't think Disney made much money this year (if any). Sales way down in
>>> the theaters and the theme parks did poorly as well — and they're still
>>> losing money and subscribers with Disney+ streaming — fell below Prime Video
>>> recently. Apparently even ESPN's viewer ratings are down. They did fire a
>>> lot of people and canceled a couple big movies that were supposed to go
>>> into production. But what they are still making looks like the same old
>>> crap. Lesson not learned.
>>
>> With ESPN, I am aware that they had a few nuggets there who thought it
>> was more important to do activism than to give sports fans information
>> on said sports. I believe that some were fired for making it obvious but
>> I have no reason to believe that Disney/ABC didn't encourage them to
>> blame Whitey for something or other. As for Disney, if their content is
>> anything like the Star Wars movies I watched on Netflix or wherever
>> recently, I don't blame people for unsubscribing. I actually follow a
>> channel called Nerdrotic on YouTube which talks about the stuff they
>> produce (from a conservative perspective) and if what they say is true,
>> I'm better off for not seeing it.
>
> I've watch Nerdrotic every now and then. But the main one I watch is The
> Critical Drinker, a Scotsman who is very sarcastic about Woke crap in
> Hollywood. He also has a group discussion thing with some of the others,
> like the guy on Nerdrotic. He's personally a successful who can't stand the
> crappy movies coming out now.

Err... He's personally a successful WRITER...

> As for Disney... If you look on BoxOffice Mojo, you'll see that "The
> Marvels" cost nearly $300 million dollars to make, with an advertising
> budget of over $100 million. So it would have to make about $800 to $900
> million to break (because theaters get their cut). The Marvels barely made
> $200 million worldwide. In the United States it made about $85 million
> throughout its whole theater run (several Marvel movies made that in their
> first night or least weekend). The last Captain Marvel movie, before Disney
> was completely taken over by Woke stupidity, brought in $1.2 Billion.
>
> None of the Marvel movies (which routinely made close to a $1 Billion
> dollars in the past, broke even this year, except Guardians of the Galaxy,
> which barely broke even. So Disney has managed to destroy Marvel Studios, or
> at very least, seriously wound it.
>
> But they've also managed to destroy Lucas Films (Star Wars and Indiana Jones
> franchises). They've basically killed Pixar (Lightyear bombed), which was
> the most successful animation studio until Disney got hold of it. They've
> even destroyed Disney Studios. Their latest Disney animated movie is near
> the end of its run, and it made slightly over $200 million worldwide and
> only $63 million in the U.S. And this was supposed to be their "100th
> Anniversary movie."
>
> They've gotten rid of all their talent and in their place hired the Woke and
> given them an agenda. Disney has even admitted in their own SEC filing
> that...
>
> “Generally, our revenues and profitability are adversely impacted when our
> entertainment offerings and products, as well as our methods to make our
> offerings and products available to consumers, do not achieve sufficient
> consumer acceptance,” ... “consumers’ perceptions of our position on
> matters of public interest, including our efforts to achieve certain of
> our environmental and social goals, often differ widely and present risks
> to our reputation and brands.”
>
> Meanwhile there's a brewing proxy war and Iger has been talking about
> selling Disney (or chunks of Disney) to Apple or other buyers. The stocks
> have recover from below $80 per share to about $90, but that's still way
> short of the $190 a share just a couple years ago.
>
> Disney is in trouble. Would probably be in a LOT more trouble if Blackrock
> wasn't propping them up.
>
>>> And it's official. The best selling beer in the U.S. for the last two
>>> decades, Bud Light, has been knocked off its throne by Modelo Especial.
>>> Funny to see it in the center aisle of the grocery store instead of Bud
>>> Light. Go Woke, go broke.
>>
>> I preferred to simply swear off of alcohol entirely. I never much liked
>> the taste of it and alcohol does very little to me (Polish genetics +
>> body size makes it more or less ineffective) so I decided I wouldn't
>> waste money on it anymore. All it ever did was add weight to my belly.
>
> I have never drank a beer. I may have had four or five small glasses of wine
> in my life (the last about 45 years ago) and that's it for my alcohol
> consumption.
>


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RonB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> <brevity snip>
>
> Ironically, Budweiser (or rather their parent company now) owns Modelo
> Especial in the rest of the world. They had to divest themselves of it in
> the United States when they merged with... whoever it is they merged with.
> I've seen a few of the Modelo ads — not Woke at all.

Thanks for the info, did not know that about Modelo.

--
woke: 1. aware of and actively attentive to important societal facts and issues
(especially issues of racial and social justice); 2. politically liberal or
progressive (as in matters of racial and social justice) especially in a way
that is considered unreasonable or extreme

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 by: RabidPedagog - Sun, 14 Jan 2024 13:24 UTC

On 2024-01-14 06:22, RonB wrote:
> On 2024-01-13, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
>> On 1/13/24 10:19, RonB wrote:
>>> On 2024-01-13, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
>>>> On 1/13/24 07:19, -hh wrote:
>>>>> On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 3:04:46 AM UTC-5, RonB wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-01-13, RabidPedagog <ra...@pedag.og> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ... Needless to say, he's absolutely sold on Linux and how it
>>>>>>> restored life into the machine others would already have recycled... or
>>>>>>> sold to RonB.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 7th generation i5? That's almost brand new. I'm typing this using a 4th
>>>>>> generation i5-4590T.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, less than a decade old. Checking Wiki, 7th generation was the
>>>>> "Kaby Lake", released in January 2017, so a mere seven years ago.
>>>>>
>>>>> In the meantime, I saw an ad yesterday for a complete Geekom NUC PC on
>>>>> sale for <$300 (no OS) which featured a 12th generation i5. I'm not familiar
>>>>> with the company or website to recommend it, though, but here it is:
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.geekompc.com/geekom-mini-air12-mini-pc/>
>>>>>
>>>>> If I were looking for a Linux box to add to my fleet, its a pretty appealing
>>>>> price point...especially since I have an old 1TB NVMe that I could drop into
>>>>> it for 'free'.
>>>>
>>>> I'll be the first to say that I wouldn't be ready to retire something
>>>> purchased in 2017 simply because Microsoft was no longer willing to
>>>> provide me with a decent experience on it. As it is, the 7th generations
>>>> perform rather well but aren't supported by Windows 11. Therefore, come
>>>> October 2025, Microsoft will officially be telling you to buzz off.
>>>
>>> So far, anyhow, there's a workaround for installing Windows 11 on older
>>> computers. I've got Windows 11 running on a Latitude e7250 — 12.5" screen,
>>> i5-5300u processor (5th generation). Seems to run pretty well. I haven't
>>> installed much of anything, however. If I was going to use it regularly (I'm
>>> not) I would upgrade the RAM to 16 GBs insted of 8 GBs. (I'll let whoever
>>> buys it or whoever "inherits" it worry about upgrading the memory, however.)
>>
>> I wonder if there is anyone out there who will see that they absolutely
>> _need_ to have Windows 11 on a very old computer. I can imagine needing
>> to run the operating system because you're regularly using the new
>> versions of software on workhorse to generate 3D models or edit video,
>> but what old machine would need Windows 11?
>
> I think a lot of people who can't afford a new computer will think they
> "need" Windows 11 because they'll be told that Windows 10 will no longer be
> supported. Whether that is true or not is another matter.

I see no reason why Microsoft would continue supporting it. Some might
say that it is more stable than 11 but it isn't. Some will also say that
it's faster, but it isn't. It's been around since 2015 so ten years of
support is more than enough. Even the machines which don't allow for an
upgrade to 11 will nearly be a decade old at that point, so it's not
that unfair to block them out. Those people are free to use Linux if
they're so adamant about holding onto their machines.

> As I mentioned in
> a different post, for a lot of people the desktop or laptop computer is
> secondary to a smartphone or tablet, so they update these devices every
> other year and fire up the old computer for taxes or to store their pictures.
> That's basically all one of my nephews ever uses his computer for. He uses
> an Android tablet, his wife uses an iPad, for almost all their "computing."
> Their computer sits in the corner and waits for tax time, or pictures dumped
> form the iPhone.

Those people will likely grow to hate Windows if that's how they use
their machines because the day they finally fire it up, the shutdown
process will be extremely long as a result of all of the updates that
downloaded automatically and want to install.

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RabidPedagog
Catholic paleoconservative

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On 2024-01-14 06:53, RonB wrote:
> On 2024-01-13, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
>> On 1/13/24 10:52, RonB wrote:
>>> On 2024-01-13, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
>>>> On 1/13/24 09:46, RonB wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-01-13, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
>>>>>> On 1/13/24 03:04, RonB wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-01-13, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ... Needless to say, he's absolutely sold on Linux and how it
>>>>>>>> restored life into the machine others would already have recycled... or
>>>>>>>> sold to RonB.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 7th generation i5? That's almost brand new. I'm typing this using a 4th
>>>>>>> generation i5-4590T.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> See, that's part of why I thought of you when I was looking at his
>>>>>> machine. I kid you not that when he brought the laptop over to me, one
>>>>>> of his Algerian friends (my school's student body and even teacher body
>>>>>> is very Algerian) took one look at it at and pretty much said that it's
>>>>>> meant for the landfill. That 7th generation sticker though told me
>>>>>> different since I knew what I could still get out of a 4th generation
>>>>>> machine. If Windows wasn't going to do the job, there was no doubt that
>>>>>> Linux would be wonderful on it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I must say that my conversation with him, a good Muslim of all people,
>>>>>>>> as well as the Lunduke article and the fact that Windows 11 suddenly
>>>>>>>> decided my wireless nic shouldn't work right have been revelations to
>>>>>>>> me. I'm going to use Linux for a bit... if the big commercial games
>>>>>>>> don't play, that's fine: I'll just play the ones in my library that I
>>>>>>>> haven't finished which work great in Linux like Black Mesa, Road
>>>>>>>> Redemption and Streets of Rogue. Ubuntu 23.10 runs them all beautifully.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Good luck with Ubuntu. I would like to read that article on Lunduke but, so
>>>>>>> far, haven't been able to find it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I respect the man immensely so I don't want to share his premium content
>>>>>> unless I explicitly have his permission to do so. If anything, I shared
>>>>>> what I did to entice some of you to support his work. What I can tell
>>>>>> you is that he has the documents and that in one particular case, a
>>>>>> Microsoft employee tells a story of how they began the transition of
>>>>>> their 3-year-old because the child supposedly cried and said "Why did
>>>>>> God make me a girl when I'm a boy." I _have_ a three-year-old and there
>>>>>> is no _fucking_ way that a child that age could express such a thought.
>>>>>> This is more Communist gobbledygook and I will not support a company
>>>>>> that sees no issue with this.
>>>>>
>>>>> You're right about the gobbledygook. Pure, made up, unadulterated bullshit.
>>>>> Sick bastards. A lot of peer pressure in these piece of shit corporations to
>>>>> be "Woker" than the rest. That's how they get promoted.
>>>>
>>>> May their corporations fail, though Microsoft just got a higher
>>>> valuation than Apple...
>>>>
>>>>> Look at Disney. Almost every movie they put out this past year lost at least
>>>>> $100 million dollars (some much more). And yet they're not backing down on
>>>>> their Woke bullshit. They don't have to, the slimeballs at Blackrock are
>>>>> backing their play. It makes no financial sense whatsoever, it's purely
>>>>> agenda driven. And the agenda is satanic.
>>>>
>>>> As long as people keep buying, they'll survive and won't learn a lesson.
>>>> They reduced their profits but still made some money so you'll be seeing
>>>> more of the garbage in the next few years. We're going to be a minority
>>>> resisting this, but we'll grow organically to a point that they will
>>>> have no choice but to reconsider their position... assuming they
>>>> actually care about making money at all. It seems to me that they're
>>>> ready to go down in flames as long as they manage to convince people
>>>> that gender is fluid.
>>>
>>> I don't think Disney made much money this year (if any). Sales way down in
>>> the theaters and the theme parks did poorly as well — and they're still
>>> losing money and subscribers with Disney+ streaming — fell below Prime Video
>>> recently. Apparently even ESPN's viewer ratings are down. They did fire a
>>> lot of people and canceled a couple big movies that were supposed to go
>>> into production. But what they are still making looks like the same old
>>> crap. Lesson not learned.
>>
>> With ESPN, I am aware that they had a few nuggets there who thought it
>> was more important to do activism than to give sports fans information
>> on said sports. I believe that some were fired for making it obvious but
>> I have no reason to believe that Disney/ABC didn't encourage them to
>> blame Whitey for something or other. As for Disney, if their content is
>> anything like the Star Wars movies I watched on Netflix or wherever
>> recently, I don't blame people for unsubscribing. I actually follow a
>> channel called Nerdrotic on YouTube which talks about the stuff they
>> produce (from a conservative perspective) and if what they say is true,
>> I'm better off for not seeing it.
>
> I've watch Nerdrotic every now and then. But the main one I watch is The
> Critical Drinker, a Scotsman who is very sarcastic about Woke crap in
> Hollywood. He also has a group discussion thing with some of the others,
> like the guy on Nerdrotic. He's personally a successful who can't stand the
> crappy movies coming out now.

In one of the Nerdrotic videos I had running in the background
yesterday, the host discreetly mentioned that the Black Lives Matter /
Antifa crowd was responsible for his wife losing her business. I can
imagine them both hating woke even more than we do as a result.

> As for Disney... If you look on BoxOffice Mojo, you'll see that "The
> Marvels" cost nearly $300 million dollars to make, with an advertising
> budget of over $100 million. So it would have to make about $800 to $900
> million to break (because theaters get their cut). The Marvels barely made
> $200 million worldwide. In the United States it made about $85 million
> throughout its whole theater run (several Marvel movies made that in their
> first night or least weekend). The last Captain Marvel movie, before Disney
> was completely taken over by Woke stupidity, brought in $1.2 Billion.
>
> None of the Marvel movies (which routinely made close to a $1 Billion
> dollars in the past, broke even this year, except Guardians of the Galaxy,
> which barely broke even. So Disney has managed to destroy Marvel Studios, or
> at very least, seriously wound it.

The sad part is that audiences are not necessarily sick of the woke crap
as much as they are Marvel in general since it feels as though that's
all that ever comes out. Consider the fact that the storylines always
follow the same pattern (much like professional wrestling), and you're
likely not going to want to spend on a ticket to see the same thing with
different characters. According to Nerdrotic, added to the pattern is
male characters acting like sobbing pansies and women being insanely
strong and there's a good chance you've just alienated the males who
would be willing to pay for their movies since they are traditionally
the ones who follow comic books. It's shocking how common sense doesn't
apply when these studios produce content anymore.

> But they've also managed to destroy Lucas Films (Star Wars and Indiana Jones
> franchises). They've basically killed Pixar (Lightyear bombed), which was
> the most successful animation studio until Disney got hold of it.

With Lightyear, they decided that there should be faggot characters and
news of that broke before the movie even released. I imagine they
thought such news was going to bring more people in but it seems to have
had the opposite effect. I wonder why these people believe that catering
to the 0.01% and the 50% of the voting base who think homosexuality is
neat is going to attract 100% of a potential audience. Considering how
many times they've lost money and continue making the same mistake, I'm
starting to believe that Roger Stone is right: they don't mind losing
tons of money because they are going to be bailed out in the end anyway.
For now, the main objective is to normalize debauchery with the eventual
goal of making pedophilia acceptable.


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On 2024-01-14, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
> On 2024-01-14 06:22, RonB wrote:
>> On 2024-01-13, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
>>> On 1/13/24 10:19, RonB wrote:
>>>> On 2024-01-13, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
>>>>> On 1/13/24 07:19, -hh wrote:
>>>>>> On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 3:04:46 AM UTC-5, RonB wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-01-13, RabidPedagog <ra...@pedag.og> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ... Needless to say, he's absolutely sold on Linux and how it
>>>>>>>> restored life into the machine others would already have recycled... or
>>>>>>>> sold to RonB.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 7th generation i5? That's almost brand new. I'm typing this using a 4th
>>>>>>> generation i5-4590T.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, less than a decade old. Checking Wiki, 7th generation was the
>>>>>> "Kaby Lake", released in January 2017, so a mere seven years ago.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the meantime, I saw an ad yesterday for a complete Geekom NUC PC on
>>>>>> sale for <$300 (no OS) which featured a 12th generation i5. I'm not familiar
>>>>>> with the company or website to recommend it, though, but here it is:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.geekompc.com/geekom-mini-air12-mini-pc/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If I were looking for a Linux box to add to my fleet, its a pretty appealing
>>>>>> price point...especially since I have an old 1TB NVMe that I could drop into
>>>>>> it for 'free'.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll be the first to say that I wouldn't be ready to retire something
>>>>> purchased in 2017 simply because Microsoft was no longer willing to
>>>>> provide me with a decent experience on it. As it is, the 7th generations
>>>>> perform rather well but aren't supported by Windows 11. Therefore, come
>>>>> October 2025, Microsoft will officially be telling you to buzz off.
>>>>
>>>> So far, anyhow, there's a workaround for installing Windows 11 on older
>>>> computers. I've got Windows 11 running on a Latitude e7250 — 12.5" screen,
>>>> i5-5300u processor (5th generation). Seems to run pretty well. I haven't
>>>> installed much of anything, however. If I was going to use it regularly (I'm
>>>> not) I would upgrade the RAM to 16 GBs insted of 8 GBs. (I'll let whoever
>>>> buys it or whoever "inherits" it worry about upgrading the memory, however.)
>>>
>>> I wonder if there is anyone out there who will see that they absolutely
>>> _need_ to have Windows 11 on a very old computer. I can imagine needing
>>> to run the operating system because you're regularly using the new
>>> versions of software on workhorse to generate 3D models or edit video,
>>> but what old machine would need Windows 11?
>>
>> I think a lot of people who can't afford a new computer will think they
>> "need" Windows 11 because they'll be told that Windows 10 will no longer be
>> supported. Whether that is true or not is another matter.
>
> I see no reason why Microsoft would continue supporting it. Some might
> say that it is more stable than 11 but it isn't. Some will also say that
> it's faster, but it isn't. It's been around since 2015 so ten years of
> support is more than enough. Even the machines which don't allow for an
> upgrade to 11 will nearly be a decade old at that point, so it's not
> that unfair to block them out. Those people are free to use Linux if
> they're so adamant about holding onto their machines.

It's not always being adamant, for some it's just what they can afford.

>> As I mentioned in
>> a different post, for a lot of people the desktop or laptop computer is
>> secondary to a smartphone or tablet, so they update these devices every
>> other year and fire up the old computer for taxes or to store their pictures.
>> That's basically all one of my nephews ever uses his computer for. He uses
>> an Android tablet, his wife uses an iPad, for almost all their "computing."
>> Their computer sits in the corner and waits for tax time, or pictures dumped
>> form the iPhone.
>
> Those people will likely grow to hate Windows if that's how they use
> their machines because the day they finally fire it up, the shutdown
> process will be extremely long as a result of all of the updates that
> downloaded automatically and want to install.

I know. I don't even want to think about updating a Windows machine that
hasn't been updated for five years or so. I really don't want to think about
updating a Windows computer all, even if it is up to date.

--
"Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good."
-- Archbishop Charles J. Chaput

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On 2024-01-14 08:51, RonB wrote:
> On 2024-01-14, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
>> On 2024-01-14 06:22, RonB wrote:
>>> On 2024-01-13, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
>>>> On 1/13/24 10:19, RonB wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-01-13, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
>>>>>> On 1/13/24 07:19, -hh wrote:
>>>>>>> On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 3:04:46 AM UTC-5, RonB wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2024-01-13, RabidPedagog <ra...@pedag.og> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ... Needless to say, he's absolutely sold on Linux and how it
>>>>>>>>> restored life into the machine others would already have recycled... or
>>>>>>>>> sold to RonB.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 7th generation i5? That's almost brand new. I'm typing this using a 4th
>>>>>>>> generation i5-4590T.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, less than a decade old. Checking Wiki, 7th generation was the
>>>>>>> "Kaby Lake", released in January 2017, so a mere seven years ago.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In the meantime, I saw an ad yesterday for a complete Geekom NUC PC on
>>>>>>> sale for <$300 (no OS) which featured a 12th generation i5. I'm not familiar
>>>>>>> with the company or website to recommend it, though, but here it is:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <https://www.geekompc.com/geekom-mini-air12-mini-pc/>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If I were looking for a Linux box to add to my fleet, its a pretty appealing
>>>>>>> price point...especially since I have an old 1TB NVMe that I could drop into
>>>>>>> it for 'free'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'll be the first to say that I wouldn't be ready to retire something
>>>>>> purchased in 2017 simply because Microsoft was no longer willing to
>>>>>> provide me with a decent experience on it. As it is, the 7th generations
>>>>>> perform rather well but aren't supported by Windows 11. Therefore, come
>>>>>> October 2025, Microsoft will officially be telling you to buzz off.
>>>>>
>>>>> So far, anyhow, there's a workaround for installing Windows 11 on older
>>>>> computers. I've got Windows 11 running on a Latitude e7250 — 12.5" screen,
>>>>> i5-5300u processor (5th generation). Seems to run pretty well. I haven't
>>>>> installed much of anything, however. If I was going to use it regularly (I'm
>>>>> not) I would upgrade the RAM to 16 GBs insted of 8 GBs. (I'll let whoever
>>>>> buys it or whoever "inherits" it worry about upgrading the memory, however.)
>>>>
>>>> I wonder if there is anyone out there who will see that they absolutely
>>>> _need_ to have Windows 11 on a very old computer. I can imagine needing
>>>> to run the operating system because you're regularly using the new
>>>> versions of software on workhorse to generate 3D models or edit video,
>>>> but what old machine would need Windows 11?
>>>
>>> I think a lot of people who can't afford a new computer will think they
>>> "need" Windows 11 because they'll be told that Windows 10 will no longer be
>>> supported. Whether that is true or not is another matter.
>>
>> I see no reason why Microsoft would continue supporting it. Some might
>> say that it is more stable than 11 but it isn't. Some will also say that
>> it's faster, but it isn't. It's been around since 2015 so ten years of
>> support is more than enough. Even the machines which don't allow for an
>> upgrade to 11 will nearly be a decade old at that point, so it's not
>> that unfair to block them out. Those people are free to use Linux if
>> they're so adamant about holding onto their machines.
>
> It's not always being adamant, for some it's just what they can afford.

Yeah, that's part of why I was so willing to help the co-worker out. Us
teachers have been on strike here in Montreal for five weeks. During
that time, none of us got paid. In my case, it was more than of an
annoyance than anything else because our savings is significant and my
wife gets paid very handsomely, but I imagine that it hurt everyone else
like a kick in the balls. I can imagine how poorly those teachers whose
significant others were also teachers fared.

>>> As I mentioned in
>>> a different post, for a lot of people the desktop or laptop computer is
>>> secondary to a smartphone or tablet, so they update these devices every
>>> other year and fire up the old computer for taxes or to store their pictures.
>>> That's basically all one of my nephews ever uses his computer for. He uses
>>> an Android tablet, his wife uses an iPad, for almost all their "computing."
>>> Their computer sits in the corner and waits for tax time, or pictures dumped
>>> form the iPhone.
>>
>> Those people will likely grow to hate Windows if that's how they use
>> their machines because the day they finally fire it up, the shutdown
>> process will be extremely long as a result of all of the updates that
>> downloaded automatically and want to install.
>
> I know. I don't even want to think about updating a Windows machine that
> hasn't been updated for five years or so. I really don't want to think about
> updating a Windows computer all, even if it is up to date.

I'll be the first to admit that doing the updates on the machine my
co-worker showed me was a pain. It's not normal that I would be
connected to Ethernet, start the update process about thirty minutes
before class time, teach my 75-minute class, come back and it would
still not be done.

--
RabidPedagog
Catholic paleoconservative

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 by: RonB - Sun, 14 Jan 2024 14:31 UTC

On 2024-01-14, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
> On 2024-01-14 06:53, RonB wrote:
>> On 2024-01-13, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
>>> On 1/13/24 10:52, RonB wrote:
>>>> On 2024-01-13, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
>>>>> On 1/13/24 09:46, RonB wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-01-13, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 1/13/24 03:04, RonB wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2024-01-13, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ... Needless to say, he's absolutely sold on Linux and how it
>>>>>>>>> restored life into the machine others would already have recycled... or
>>>>>>>>> sold to RonB.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 7th generation i5? That's almost brand new. I'm typing this using a 4th
>>>>>>>> generation i5-4590T.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> See, that's part of why I thought of you when I was looking at his
>>>>>>> machine. I kid you not that when he brought the laptop over to me, one
>>>>>>> of his Algerian friends (my school's student body and even teacher body
>>>>>>> is very Algerian) took one look at it at and pretty much said that it's
>>>>>>> meant for the landfill. That 7th generation sticker though told me
>>>>>>> different since I knew what I could still get out of a 4th generation
>>>>>>> machine. If Windows wasn't going to do the job, there was no doubt that
>>>>>>> Linux would be wonderful on it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I must say that my conversation with him, a good Muslim of all people,
>>>>>>>>> as well as the Lunduke article and the fact that Windows 11 suddenly
>>>>>>>>> decided my wireless nic shouldn't work right have been revelations to
>>>>>>>>> me. I'm going to use Linux for a bit... if the big commercial games
>>>>>>>>> don't play, that's fine: I'll just play the ones in my library that I
>>>>>>>>> haven't finished which work great in Linux like Black Mesa, Road
>>>>>>>>> Redemption and Streets of Rogue. Ubuntu 23.10 runs them all beautifully.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Good luck with Ubuntu. I would like to read that article on Lunduke but, so
>>>>>>>> far, haven't been able to find it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I respect the man immensely so I don't want to share his premium content
>>>>>>> unless I explicitly have his permission to do so. If anything, I shared
>>>>>>> what I did to entice some of you to support his work. What I can tell
>>>>>>> you is that he has the documents and that in one particular case, a
>>>>>>> Microsoft employee tells a story of how they began the transition of
>>>>>>> their 3-year-old because the child supposedly cried and said "Why did
>>>>>>> God make me a girl when I'm a boy." I _have_ a three-year-old and there
>>>>>>> is no _fucking_ way that a child that age could express such a thought.
>>>>>>> This is more Communist gobbledygook and I will not support a company
>>>>>>> that sees no issue with this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You're right about the gobbledygook. Pure, made up, unadulterated bullshit.
>>>>>> Sick bastards. A lot of peer pressure in these piece of shit corporations to
>>>>>> be "Woker" than the rest. That's how they get promoted.
>>>>>
>>>>> May their corporations fail, though Microsoft just got a higher
>>>>> valuation than Apple...
>>>>>
>>>>>> Look at Disney. Almost every movie they put out this past year lost at least
>>>>>> $100 million dollars (some much more). And yet they're not backing down on
>>>>>> their Woke bullshit. They don't have to, the slimeballs at Blackrock are
>>>>>> backing their play. It makes no financial sense whatsoever, it's purely
>>>>>> agenda driven. And the agenda is satanic.
>>>>>
>>>>> As long as people keep buying, they'll survive and won't learn a lesson.
>>>>> They reduced their profits but still made some money so you'll be seeing
>>>>> more of the garbage in the next few years. We're going to be a minority
>>>>> resisting this, but we'll grow organically to a point that they will
>>>>> have no choice but to reconsider their position... assuming they
>>>>> actually care about making money at all. It seems to me that they're
>>>>> ready to go down in flames as long as they manage to convince people
>>>>> that gender is fluid.
>>>>
>>>> I don't think Disney made much money this year (if any). Sales way down in
>>>> the theaters and the theme parks did poorly as well — and they're still
>>>> losing money and subscribers with Disney+ streaming — fell below Prime Video
>>>> recently. Apparently even ESPN's viewer ratings are down. They did fire a
>>>> lot of people and canceled a couple big movies that were supposed to go
>>>> into production. But what they are still making looks like the same old
>>>> crap. Lesson not learned.
>>>
>>> With ESPN, I am aware that they had a few nuggets there who thought it
>>> was more important to do activism than to give sports fans information
>>> on said sports. I believe that some were fired for making it obvious but
>>> I have no reason to believe that Disney/ABC didn't encourage them to
>>> blame Whitey for something or other. As for Disney, if their content is
>>> anything like the Star Wars movies I watched on Netflix or wherever
>>> recently, I don't blame people for unsubscribing. I actually follow a
>>> channel called Nerdrotic on YouTube which talks about the stuff they
>>> produce (from a conservative perspective) and if what they say is true,
>>> I'm better off for not seeing it.
>>
>> I've watch Nerdrotic every now and then. But the main one I watch is The
>> Critical Drinker, a Scotsman who is very sarcastic about Woke crap in
>> Hollywood. He also has a group discussion thing with some of the others,
>> like the guy on Nerdrotic. He's personally a successful who can't stand the
>> crappy movies coming out now.
>
> In one of the Nerdrotic videos I had running in the background
> yesterday, the host discreetly mentioned that the Black Lives Matter /
> Antifa crowd was responsible for his wife losing her business. I can
> imagine them both hating woke even more than we do as a result.
>
>> As for Disney... If you look on BoxOffice Mojo, you'll see that "The
>> Marvels" cost nearly $300 million dollars to make, with an advertising
>> budget of over $100 million. So it would have to make about $800 to $900
>> million to break (because theaters get their cut). The Marvels barely made
>> $200 million worldwide. In the United States it made about $85 million
>> throughout its whole theater run (several Marvel movies made that in their
>> first night or least weekend). The last Captain Marvel movie, before Disney
>> was completely taken over by Woke stupidity, brought in $1.2 Billion.
>>
>> None of the Marvel movies (which routinely made close to a $1 Billion
>> dollars in the past, broke even this year, except Guardians of the Galaxy,
>> which barely broke even. So Disney has managed to destroy Marvel Studios, or
>> at very least, seriously wound it.
>
> The sad part is that audiences are not necessarily sick of the woke crap
> as much as they are Marvel in general since it feels as though that's
> all that ever comes out. Consider the fact that the storylines always
> follow the same pattern (much like professional wrestling), and you're
> likely not going to want to spend on a ticket to see the same thing with
> different characters. According to Nerdrotic, added to the pattern is
> male characters acting like sobbing pansies and women being insanely
> strong and there's a good chance you've just alienated the males who
> would be willing to pay for their movies since they are traditionally
> the ones who follow comic books. It's shocking how common sense doesn't
> apply when these studios produce content anymore.


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