Things have escalated the way Iran wants :-)

Chinese warships are now close to Bab-al-Mandab, and they ignored the
pleas of ships being stopped or hit by Yemenis, among them even ships
which originated from China! ...

And Houthis are saying, "We love to fight directly with Americans. It's
a thousand times better than fighting with their puppet governments in
the region."

Houthis have been doing that with Saudis and the Emaraties for years.
Now they're rejoicing to get a chance to do it to the sole culprit and
pest in the region, and in the world, the USA.

Now that's reality talking :) Culprit is now going to pay something at last.

Hamas yesterday turned down Israeli government's offer of another
temporary cease fire. What does that tell you?

It tells me they want Lebanese militia and Yemenis to pound Israeli
government economically as well as internally, cause those 0.5 M to 1 M
northern Israelis who moved south are getting quite restless inside
their own country. That's a huge pressure from the Israelis on the
Israeli government puppets.

Iranian militia (not the military itself - yet) are now loading lots of
AI features on their missiles that are launched at sea. They were helped
with an institution that helps both military and the militia, but only
for some of the projects which didn't require top secrecy. The militia,
as a general rule, doesn't trust the military and the government 100% in
keeping secrets, or, keeping the secrets safe from hackers.

I wouldn't be surprised if such new AI capabilities are behind the
success of Houthis hitting the ships with U.S. Navy sitting helpless
around them!

If Houthis can hit a ship any time they want, you must consider
yourselves defeated as far as computer science is concerned :)

Iranian militia (and not the military) openly say they help Yemenis with
everything they need in the form of advice and knowledge, and that they
will never stop doing that. It sure looks like they've put such claims
into action as well.

Perhaps you've been too much into pussies of Kardashians and
professional wrestling and Penismas lately. "Lately", meaning in the
past 10 years or so. Perhaps the Billionaire dictators didn't leave
enough of non-Sheep Americans to at least match a militia force of
another country, and now need the help of a "coalition" to bring in
enough defense know-how and capabilities.

Dictatorship will get you at some point.

I'm waiting to see if Houthis will be able to continue hitting Israeli
ships in the presence of French and British and Danish forces around
Bab-al-Mandab. If you see ships get hit like those new forces aren't
even there, then consider the entire cro-magnons defeated as far as
computer science is concerned :-)

At the worst, we'll find out the Chinese warships' role in there also.
So that's nice!

Very interesting times.

On 12/21/2023 8:13 PM, Relf wrote:

> What if Gaza refugees promised to use deodorant ?
> Would Iran take them in ?!
>
> Meanwhile, Ukrainians are WellEstablished all over the Western world.

I met a Ukrainian woman the other day, here in Atlanta. Her husband is
Brazilian. She was a bit older (late 40s?), but pretty and blonde and
thin, and dressed very chic.

She blamed Zelenskyy and the Ukraine govt for Russia's invasion.

"Relf" <Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me> wrote:

>What if Gaza refugees promised to use deodorant ?
>Would Iran take them in ?!
>
>Meanwhile, Ukrainians are WellEstablished all over the Western world.

Racism is lame, Jeff.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

"Relf" <Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me> wrote:

>You (Crump) replied ( to me ):
>> > What if Gaza refugees promised to use deodorant ?
>> > Would Iran take them in ?!
>> > Meanwhile, Ukrainians are WellEstablished all over the Western world.
>>
>> Racism is lame, Jeff.
>
>Reality has never been your friend, Crump.
>
>I haven't seen Democrats this mad since we took their slaves away.

Look, goofball, I'm barely even a Democrat, anymore, if I were to bet
I'd say that DJT is coming back, and a civil war would follow, and I'd
be with Antifa, and you and chrisv will be with Trump. I dunno where
DFS will be, since he's one of the very rare non-Trump-supporting
Republicans. I'd like to believe he'd never help Trump.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2023-12-21 8:36 p.m., DFS wrote:
> On 12/21/2023 8:13 PM, Relf wrote:
>
>> What if Gaza refugees promised to use deodorant ?
>> Would Iran take them in ?!
>>
>> Meanwhile, Ukrainians are WellEstablished all over the Western world.
>
>
> I met a Ukrainian woman the other day, here in Atlanta.  Her husband is
> Brazilian.  She was a bit older (late 40s?), but pretty and blonde and
> thin, and dressed very chic.
>
> She blamed Zelenskyy and the Ukraine govt for Russia's invasion.

And she is correct. However, there is no reason to believe that Putin
wouldn't have found another reason to invade regardless of what the
Ukrainians did.

--
@RabidPedagog

On 12/21/2023 7:36 PM, DFS wrote:
> On 12/21/2023 8:13 PM, Relf wrote:
>
>> What if Gaza refugees promised to use deodorant ?
>> Would Iran take them in ?!
>>
>> Meanwhile, Ukrainians are WellEstablished all over the Western world.
>
>
> I met a Ukrainian woman the other day, here in Atlanta.  Her husband is
> Brazilian.  She was a bit older (late 40s?), but pretty and blonde and
> thin, and dressed very chic.
>
> She blamed Zelenskyy and the Ukraine govt for Russia's invasion.
>
>

She was being polite. Ukrainians of course know the whole thing is
Americans' fault. Their soldiers killed the Americans who went there to
fight alongside them, any chance they got! They'd kill them, then would
blow up his body to destroy anything suggesting a close shot.

This was noticed so often by Russian soldiers that they began realizing
what was going on. Any American dead they came across, was also blown to
pieces.

On 2023-12-22, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
> On 2023-12-21 8:36 p.m., DFS wrote:
>> On 12/21/2023 8:13 PM, Relf wrote:
>>
>>> What if Gaza refugees promised to use deodorant ?
>>> Would Iran take them in ?!
>>>
>>> Meanwhile, Ukrainians are WellEstablished all over the Western world.
>>
>>
>> I met a Ukrainian woman the other day, here in Atlanta.  Her husband is
>> Brazilian.  She was a bit older (late 40s?), but pretty and blonde and
>> thin, and dressed very chic.
>>
>> She blamed Zelenskyy and the Ukraine govt for Russia's invasion.
>
> And she is correct. However, there is no reason to believe that Putin
> wouldn't have found another reason to invade regardless of what the
> Ukrainians did.

Had Ukraine implemented the Minsk Agreements, which they signed but never
intended to implement (their word is useless), Russia would not have gone
into Ukraine. Even after Russia went into Ukraine, Russia and Ukraine had
ironed out a peace agreement in Turkey, which the United States and Great
Britain torpedoed. Soros and the WEF slime WANTED this war. Soros wrote
about using eastern Europeans against Russia in the 90s "to reduce body bags
in NATO countries."

There is only one deficiency in this design: it leaves Japan out of
account. Japan should be asked to join NATO. Then we would have the
beginnings of an architecture for a new world order. It is based on the
United States as the remaining superpower and on open society as the
organizing principle. It consists of a series of alliances, the most
important of which is NATO and, through NATO, the Partnership for Peace
which girds the Northern Hemisphere. The United States would not be called
upon to act as the policeman of the world. When it acts, it would act in
conjunction with others. Incidentally, the combination of manpower from
Eastern Europe with the technical capabilities of NATO would greatly
enhance the military potential of the Partnership because it would reduce
the risk of body bags for NATO countries, which is the main constraint on
their willingness to act. This is a viable alternative to the looming
world disorder.

This was written by slimeball Soros in 1993 under the title "Toward a New
World Order: The Future of NATO."

https://www.georgesoros.com/1993/11/01/toward-a-new-world-order-the-future-of-nato/

Soros and his fellow WEF planned this war for years. But it looks like they
got more war than they wanted.

--
"Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good."
-- Archbishop Charles J. Chaput

Physfitfreak wrote:

> (snip)

What is the point of posting such absurd nonsense?

No wonder this world is such a mess.

--
"My whole claim is that JPGs can and often do have EXIF data (but need
not to). [Peter K] claims I am wrong." - some thing, lying
shamelessly (but no one can quote it lying)

On 12/22/2023 7:13 AM, chrisv wrote:
> Physfitfreak wrote:
>
>> (snip)
>
> What is the point of posting such absurd nonsense?
>
> No wonder this world is such a mess.
>

The point is giving you Sheep a chance.

It was big news a year back. I don't read the crap you guys call "news"
here, so I don't know how it was covered, or was covered at all. But
Russians always found American soldiers in a blown up state and began
getting suspicious and started studying their remains. They would find
small bullet holes on some of the pieces while the soldier was alive! So
they were first killed at close range with light weapons, then blown up
to cover the crime. The sizes of the opening wounds indicated that they
were shot from a very close distance, not from a ditch some two hundred
yards away where Russians were.

Ukrainians are your enemies! Fierce, determined enemies. They're not
fools, they're just victims of Americans' pestilence, like Israeli
people are. Like a whole arrangement of other people around the world are.

You're playing with fire now. You're playing with H-bombs now.

Nazis get themselves killed!... What's so strange about that?

Physfitfreak wrote:

>It was big news a year back.

Lack of evidence noted. Kook.

--
"Trouble is, there isn't any leadership." - some piece of shit that
called itself "GreyCloud", attacking software Freedom

On 12/22/2023 6:25 PM, chrisv wrote:
> Physfitfreak wrote:
>
>> It was big news a year back.
>
> Lack of evidence noted. Kook.
>

Sheep!

An Israeli ship not that far from the coast of India, has been hit and
is burning!...

It is a heck of a distance away from Yemen or Iran. So either Americans
themselves did that, or Indians did it.

Again, have it in the forefront of your mind, if it hurts Israeli
_people_, it is what Americans and the American government want! They
have been punishing Israeli people since last September. Don't get fooled.

There's also a little chance that Chinese warships did it. They've
already had many active and passive proxy wars with the USA anyway, from
the times of the Korean War!.. So one more doesn't change the situation.
It would also send a message to Americans to wrap their sorry asses in
the Persian Gulf and begin kissing their "petrodallaz" goodbye.

But heck, there's a chance that Houthis themselves hit it. Yes from that
distance. The "coalition forces" cannot police the entire Indian ocean
and Arab Sea and the Persian Gulf. They're not God! Sorry. So the hand
of God can come right on top of them, creating yet more economic
problems for Israeli government as well as Americans who are supporting
and facilitating their genocide.

If you ask me, ... physics will work on your dumb heads, if nothing else
can :) One day, something _physically delivers_ what's required, right
into and inside of your stupid crania. Then the matter of your
pestilence gets resolved.

You can't turn this back!

It is part and parcel of that night inside Niyavaran Palace, north
Tehran, when "Carter", some Grunt from the other side of the planet
Earth, flew in to deliver his ultimatum to the Shah of Iran. You've
never had a chance after that. Not even a chance. You were done right
there. Nothing would change your fate after that.

- U.S. military announced yesterday that "20 countries" have so far made
themselves part of the coalition to safeguard trade ship movements in
Red Sea, but it declined to say exactly which ones :) They also added,
"Some of them do not want to be announced", and that some of them are
just providing various aid in the form of personnel (menial crew!) and
"Other duties." :)

Well, other sources say Spain and France and Italy have changed their
minds about participating in the coalition. This cannot be a political
decision because all three are Bitches of USA, so they're thinking
they're going to get hit! This could be another clue to Houthis' newer
more intelligent missiles that Iran's militia announced just last week
to have developed.

But Britain is still in the coalition, and I suspect they think they can
avert getting hit and can prevent Houthis' missiles from reaching any
ship in there. One of the missiles, already, could not hit a ship and
was exploded tens of meters away from the ship. So the Brits may have
the technology to overcome newer Houthi missiles.

But as I said in the previous message, now an Israeli ship is hit right
off the coast of India... How are your "Brits" going to prevent that? It
is an oil tanker full of chemicals, and is burning.

This, or the presence of Chinese warships there, might indeed be the
reason those other Bitches quit, cause the whole effort might just be an
ineffective show. The navy, the American navy, is saying now they don't
have enough vessels to fully control even the seas nearby Yemen.

- Houthis are willing to go to war with you! They're really your own
creations. The aggregate of your mistakes and stupidities. No matter
what, they _will_ inflict some harm on you. Don't mistake them with your
"Taleban" who fought you with AKs and knives. They're much much stronger
and have endless support behind them. Only today, they announced that if
Saudis open their border with them, they will immediately send ground
forces to Israel to fight this war on both fronts, with you in the south
and with the Israelis up there. So even Saudis are threatening you in
their ways. That's how they talk diplomatically. They're too polite to
say it in your faces.

So some of your Bitches bailed out. They don't want to suffer costs just
for the sake of the dicks of you Nazis. Plain and simple. You're too
much even for your own Bitches. And probably most of the other coalition
members are just tiny islands in the pacific, etc.

And not a soul in your news outlets is saying anything about the Chinese
warships there. H-bombs does that to Nazis! They make you shut up.

- Just came in the news that, Yemenis hit another ship but on the east
side of Arabian Peninsula, not the Red Sea side. This, again, points to
the possible superiority of British forces in preventing ships getting
hit in Red Sea side. Looks like Yemenis have had to start targeting
ships much farther away now.

Reagan must've been more stupid than even his own Bitch, Thatcher. Brits
weren't targeted after December 1977 anyway. It was you American Nazis.

Which reminds me of this clip (from yesterday's news):

https://streamable.com/ki1f4q

Where is this town at? East Palestine? Lebanon? A tiny area still intact
in Ghaza? Jordan? No ... It is in Britain. It is a city called,
"Lester". Brits haven't been Nazis, you Americans have been Nazis, so
that's why you can't now, and the Brit can now, do the job at the
Bab-al-Mandab.

- Militia of Lebanon are now using a newer different type of missile on
Israeli border areas. Check this out:

https://streamable.com/lp2vd8

What type is it? What is it supposed to do? I think they're just using
Israel as an excuse to test their stuff without having to hide the
activity! .. :-) This is the city of Shlomi in northern Israel.
Hezbollah's testing ground! Why did it sound like that? Wait until the
shockwave reaches the camera (and moves the branch). It's like a ZIP,
not a BANG. What the hell is that?... And from the smoke already there
before the thing hits, it is evident that they are testing something there.

- One line of products that the Middle East region has been trying to
sanction or ban its purchase for decades is of course the Caterpillar.
They've been very expensive, and some of them are still the only option
around for a few particular uses in the construction businesses and
agriculture (and military) in countries in that region. So they've been
grudgingly still buying them.

Yesterday, the first Iranian competition to their star 75 ton loader
line was unveiled and celebrated.

How much are they?.. 5% to 10% of the price of the Caterpillar brand
with the exact same features :-)))

So I'm sorry to say this (cause their headquarters are right here in
Irving), but it looks like you will lose literally all your sales in
that category as well, to any country and company outside of the USA and
Europe (your Bitches). Everybody will pay 1/20th the price and buys this
Iranian one:

https://streamable.com/l2w0gz

It is made by HEPCO.

Several other products by HEPCO have already destroyed their Caterpillar
brand markets in the past. But not all, yet :)

I am certain, that if Israelis were free to choose, even Israel would
opt for the HEPCO brands for civilian, agricultural, as well as military
use, and not Caterpillar. So some "healthy market" working there for
them, I guess, forcing them to buy same stuff 20 times higher in price.

They're generally about 1/10th the price, and every bit as reliable, and
with similar lifespans.

Ripping off the buyers has consequences. Even Iran is eating up your
markets outside of the USA.

- more to come

On 12/24/2023 6:00 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:
>
>
> - One line of products that the Middle East region has been trying to
> sanction or ban its purchase for decades is of course the Caterpillar.
> They've been very expensive, and some of them are still the only option
> around for a few particular uses in the construction businesses and
> agriculture (and military) in countries in that region. So they've been
> grudgingly still buying them.
>
> Yesterday, the first Iranian competition to their star 75 ton loader
> line was unveiled and celebrated.
>
> How much are they?..  5% to 10% of the price of the Caterpillar brand
> with the exact same features :-)))
>
> So I'm sorry to say this (cause their headquarters are right here in
> Irving), but it looks like you will lose literally all your sales in
> that category as well, to any country and company outside of the USA and
> Europe (your Bitches). Everybody will pay 1/20th the price and buys this
> Iranian one:
>
> https://streamable.com/l2w0gz
>
> It is made by HEPCO.
>
> Several other products by HEPCO have already destroyed their Caterpillar
> brand markets in the past. But not all, yet :)
>
> I am certain, that if Israelis were free to choose, even Israel would
> opt for the HEPCO brands for civilian, agricultural, as well as military
> use, and not Caterpillar. So some "healthy market" working there for
> them, I guess, forcing them to buy same stuff 20 times higher in price.
>
> They're generally about 1/10th the price, and every bit as reliable, and
> with similar lifespans.
>
> Ripping off the buyers has consequences. Even Iran is eating up your
> markets outside of the USA.
>
> - more to come

Ok, back from a nice lovely soup.

Their spare parts are even cheaper, something around 1% of Caterpillars'
spares. Same reasons. They're not highway rip offs but are priced base
on material and labor costs and all other factors. And the material used
are generally comparable in quality to Caterpillar. You saw in that clip
how they tested the teeth by having them lift the body without breaking,
etc.

Same story applies to all the missiles and weapons of all kinds
manufactured there. There's no highway rip off involved. Russia, the
Israel's buddy, purchases Iranian Shahed 136 because they are 10 times
cheaper than the Israeli Harops, and have same features. I recently
brought the example of (probably in this same blog) the Fatah hypersonic
missile costing $200000 each with full features, compared to your SM-6
which with its same features mounted is $12 million each.

You've got rip off built into your lives. Hence the "Sheep."

Indians spent about $60 million total to place a probe on the Moon. Ask
how much of your money NASA eats up to do a similar thing. It is not
because you're richer, it is not because "market" demands it, it is
because you're Sheep.

Everywhere you look, you see the same story. Price of medicine, price of
houses, price of university education, price of civilian or military
weapons, ...

It is you, not the "market."

On Sunday, December 24, 2023 at 8:44:50 PM UTC-5, Physfitfreak wrote:
> ...
> Indians spent about $60 million total to place a probe on the Moon.

$60M? Which time?

"India Admits Its Moon Lander Crashed, Cites Problem with Braking Thrusters"

<https://www.space.com/india-admits-moon-lander-crash.html>

-hh

On 12/24/2023 8:11 PM, -hh wrote:
> On Sunday, December 24, 2023 at 8:44:50 PM UTC-5, Physfitfreak wrote:
>> ...
>> Indians spent about $60 million total to place a probe on the Moon.
>
> $60M? Which time?
>
> "India Admits Its Moon Lander Crashed, Cites Problem with Braking Thrusters"
>
> <https://www.space.com/india-admits-moon-lander-crash.html>
>
> -hh

If I remember it correctly, that first attempt had cost them $30M. And
the 2nd successful one a bit more than the same amount. So the estimate
of $60 should be approximately correct.

There was a Wall Street Journal (and several other articles as well
which I only read the titles) that discussed why they could do it so
inexpensively and why it was so expensive in this country. I really just
skimmed through their reasons because I had my own firm reasons for it :)

I've known for decades why things are so expensive here without
justification. In fact from soon after this trend began. "Collusion"
should by now ring a bell in you, I hope :)

On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 18:11:38 -0800 (PST), -hh wrote:

> On Sunday, December 24, 2023 at 8:44:50 PM UTC-5, Physfitfreak wrote:
>> ...
>> Indians spent about $60 million total to place a probe on the Moon.
>
> $60M? Which time?
>
> "India Admits Its Moon Lander Crashed, Cites Problem with Braking
> Thrusters"
>
> <https://www.space.com/india-admits-moon-lander-crash.html>

https://www.businessinsider.com/how-india-moon-landing-cost-cheap-
compared-to-nasa-russia-2023-8

74 million actually. To be pedantic the Chandrayaan-2 mission did put a
lander on the moon, if not very gently. The orbiter is still functional
afaik.

However the Chandrayaan-3 missin, referenced above, was a success. The
lander and rover were only expected to make it through the lunar daylight
(14 Earth days) but there was hope they could come out of hibernation
after the night phase but they weren't designed for the -120 C
temperatures.

https://www.space.com/india-tries-waking-up-chandrayaan-3-moon-lander-
rover

Try to keep up.

- Iran, for the first time (as far as I know), has given its official
response to "coalition"'s plans for Yemen, via its embassies, not its
news sources. It goes something like this, "If you go after Yemen, we'll
create much more complicated events and problems for you."

Just like that. And whatever that means. This is relayed by an Israeli
news source by the way.

I already said here what the militia's view was about Yemen's situation,
which really is their own and they think and act independently from the
government (and the military). But the above is the government's
response, which has military's force at its disposal.

What is certain is that Yemen is not Afghanestan! There's nobody there
who will welcome you like the civilian forces did in Afghanestan. And
you have, and are committing genocide in Ghaza. And you committed
genocide in Yemen in the name of "Saudi Coalition" for years, not
months. You don't have the Saudis anymore to blame them for your
genocides. You only have enemies now, everywhere in that region,
especially in Yemen. I think this could bite you anywhere around the world.

- Israelis are saying they've begun feeling the pressure rising from
countries around the world who have experienced economic impact from Red
Sea situation. Also budget deficit in Israel is forcing them to close
several ministries to cut additional expenses. Also part of the
population has moved south. So more and more, even for the Israeli
government it has begun to look like a fuck up, let alone the USA.

- Situation for USA is totally different of course, cause for Americans
fuck up itself is the policy. They _solve_ their problems by fuck ups.

If Trump can't fuck up enough, then they put Biden there to fuck up
more. If Biden cannot fuck up enough, then find another baboon to fuck
up enough. That's how things work when you make a country of 350 million
Sheep and 700 insatiable billionaires looting them. A country of "best
government is no government." Sure, but that's how the Sheep read it.
Cause I read the first hidden words in there also, "For the
billionaires, best government is no government."

A country like that doesn't have a friend. Even your Bitches are your
enemies. Everybody in the world, including your own Bitch nations, are
hoping that something horrible happen to you, so humanity can leave your
disgusting legacy behind and look forward and go on.

So "Merry Penismas" to yourselves, you genocidal pests.

On Sunday, December 24, 2023 at 9:50:46 PM UTC-5, rbowman wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 18:11:38 -0800 (PST), -hh wrote:
>
> > On Sunday, December 24, 2023 at 8:44:50 PM UTC-5, Physfitfreak wrote:
> >> ...
> >> Indians spent about $60 million total to place a probe on the Moon.
> >
> > $60M? Which time?
> >
> > "India Admits Its Moon Lander Crashed, Cites Problem with Braking
> > Thrusters"
> >
> > <https://www.space.com/india-admits-moon-lander-crash.html>
> https://www.businessinsider.com/how-india-moon-landing-cost-cheap-
> compared-to-nasa-russia-2023-8
>
> 74 million actually. To be pedantic the Chandrayaan-2 mission did put a
> lander on the moon, if not very gently. The orbiter is still functional
> afaik.
>
> However the Chandrayaan-3 missin, referenced above, was a success. The
> lander and rover were only expected to make it through the lunar daylight
> (14 Earth days) but there was hope they could come out of hibernation
> after the night phase but they weren't designed for the -120 C
> temperatures.
>
> https://www.space.com/india-tries-waking-up-chandrayaan-3-moon-lander-
> rover
>
> Try to keep up.

Oh, I'm trying to do just that: I'll give a nod to SpaceX's Starship next, as
they're now "0 for 2" in terms of their full-up launch attempts.

What it really comes down to is that one can save a lot of bucks in skipping over
critical subsystem integration tests, but the trade-off is that you lose major systems.
Likewise, cause a hell of a lot of unnecessary environmental damage to ecosystems.
Its a trade-off of varying interests, which is also why Russia failed in their recent moon
attempts too: they wanted to beat India there.

-hh

On Mon, 25 Dec 2023 06:35:46 -0800 (PST), -hh wrote:

> What it really comes down to is that one can save a lot of bucks in
> skipping over critical subsystem integration tests, but the trade-off is
> that you lose major systems. Likewise, cause a hell of a lot of
> unnecessary environmental damage to ecosystems.
> Its a trade-off of varying interests, which is also why Russia failed in
> their recent moon attempts too: they wanted to beat India there.

https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/12/us-congress-recommends-placing-
assets-at-lagrange-points-to-counter-china/

I'm surprised Congress could stop arguing long enough to come up with
this. China already has Queqiao orbiting around L2 to provide a comm link
to Change 4/Yutu 2 on the backside. It can't park at L2 since it wouldn't
have line of sight to the Earth.

As science fiction becomes reality...

On Monday, December 25, 2023 at 12:11:43 PM UTC-5, rbowman wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Dec 2023 06:35:46 -0800 (PST), -hh wrote:
>
> > What it really comes down to is that one can save a lot of bucks in
> > skipping over critical subsystem integration tests, but the trade-off is
> > that you lose major systems. Likewise, cause a hell of a lot of
> > unnecessary environmental damage to ecosystems.
> > Its a trade-off of varying interests, which is also why Russia failed in
> > their recent moon attempts too: they wanted to beat India there.
>
> https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/12/us-congress-recommends-placing-
> assets-at-lagrange-points-to-counter-china/
>
> I'm surprised Congress could stop arguing long enough to come up with
> this. China already has Queqiao orbiting around L2 to provide a comm link
> to Change 4/Yutu 2 on the backside. It can't park at L2 since it wouldn't
> have line of sight to the Earth.
>
> As science fiction becomes reality...

The US already admitted to having at least one asset currently 'parked' at L2.

-hh

On 2023-12-25, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Dec 2023 06:35:46 -0800 (PST), -hh wrote:
>
>> What it really comes down to is that one can save a lot of bucks in
>> skipping over critical subsystem integration tests, but the trade-off is
>> that you lose major systems. Likewise, cause a hell of a lot of
>> unnecessary environmental damage to ecosystems.
>> Its a trade-off of varying interests, which is also why Russia failed in
>> their recent moon attempts too: they wanted to beat India there.
>
> https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/12/us-congress-recommends-placing-
> assets-at-lagrange-points-to-counter-china/
>
> I'm surprised Congress could stop arguing long enough to come up with
> this. China already has Queqiao orbiting around L2 to provide a comm link
> to Change 4/Yutu 2 on the backside. It can't park at L2 since it wouldn't
> have line of sight to the Earth.
>
> As science fiction becomes reality...

I think we, in the United States, should be more worried about rebuilding
our infrastructure and industry.

This quote is the one that stood out for me...

"The Chinese Communist Party has pursued a multi-decade campaign of
economic aggression against the United States and its allies in the name
of strategically decoupling the People’s Republic of China from the global
economy, making the PRC less dependent on the United States in critical
sectors, while making the United States more dependent on (China)," the
report states.

"Economic aggression against the United States..." by making themselves less
dependent on the United States? In other words, selling off their U.S.
Treasury bonds because they know they're about to be worthless. And the
Chinese "made the United States more dependent on them?" Uh... no. We, our
greedy, corporate nimrods are the ones who made us more dependent on China.
China didn't force us to shut down our industries and offshore them to
China. Short-sighted greed was the cause of that.

And freezing Russian funds isn't going to help either, especially if they
actually try to steal them. The United States was supposed to be a "safe
harbor" for investments. What's going to happen if the U.S. steals money
supposedly "safely" held for other countries? The stampede away from the
Petrodollar has already started.

Greed and stupidity. That should be the U.S. Motto now.

--
"Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good."
-- Archbishop Charles J. Chaput

- Ok, looks like it is now clear what Iran meant two days back when they
officially (via embassies) passed the word as their response to
Americans' intention to go after Yemenis.

Iraq has all of a sudden changed the status of American forces inside
Iraq from "guests" to "murderers". Now they're busy creating a timetable
for the forces to get the hell out.

It is going to lead to confrontations between Iraqis and Americans,
because I don't think the Americans would budge. So this means a second
war with Iraq for Americans.

Kudos!

In the first war, the region was against Saddam Hoseyn, so nobody helped
Iraq against the USA. But in this second one coming, the whole region
will be against the USA!...

So it'll be very interesting to see what happens.

China's most recent exhibition. I think it was held in Abu Dhabi.

https://i.postimg.cc/NMzjw4YW/China-copying-Shahed-136.jpg

Don't tell me they didn't copy Iran's Shahed 136 :-)

But I doubt they'll sell them cheaper than Iran's. So they must've known
the market for this type of weapon is expanding. It's really got several
important capabilities for a very low price. Iran's designs are always
multifaceted.

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