On 2021-09-01, Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> wrote:
> RabidHussar wrote:
>> Admittedly, even when you end up sounding rude, you do actually
>> explains things fairly well and it is difficult not to take you at
>> your word.
>
> RabidHussar is a known sock of Alan Baker.

Nope.

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Am 01.09.21 um 14:40 schrieb Calum:
> On 01/09/2021 07:33, Robin Goodfellow wrote:
>> Why is this very common kind of anonymity impossible _only_ on iOS.
>
> It's not, which is why other developers have made it available in the
> App Store instead.
>
> <https://apps.apple.com/us/app/onion-browser/id519296448>

I'm using the Onion Browser for years. You are right.
Arlen alias Goodfellow urgently needs professional help to fight against
these sado-maso attacks.

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In message <010920211212523973%nospam@nospam.invalid> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <sgo8m0$uik$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Robin Goodfellow
> <Ancient-of-Days@Heaven.Net> wrote:

>> 1. I want to _know_ what I'm talking about

> you might want that, but you do not.

I had no problem finding multiple TOR/Onion browsers on the App store.
Dipshit must not really want to know. As usual.

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In article <sgoodl$aal$1@dont-email.me>, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch>
wrote:

> Arlen alias Goodfellow urgently needs professional help to fight against
> these sado-maso attacks.

they gave up.

Am 01.09.21 um 22:43 schrieb nospam:
> In article <sgoodl$aal$1@dont-email.me>, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch>
> wrote:
>
>> Arlen alias Goodfellow urgently needs professional help to fight against
>> these sado-maso attacks.
>
> they gave up.
>
;-)

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In message <sgo3sn$msf$1@dont-email.me> sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> The bottom line is that while the Onion browser is better than nothing,
> for maximum privacy in a browser

That is simply not true. There are significant flaws in TOR and they
have been well and thoroughly exploited. The majority of TOR nodes are
now run by governments, which is one problem TOR has no way of fixing.

> you need to be on Linux, Windows, or Android.

Also false.

> I have Onion on my iPhone but usually use Chrome, Even on Android I
> rarely use Tor. Sometimes I switch browsers when a site doesn't like one
> browser or another, but I rarely need the advantages that Tor provides,
> and it seems slower.

It provides no advantage, many disadvantages, and of course it is
slower. Do you have the slightest idea how it works? It will ALWAYS be
slower, guaranteed.

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On 01/09/2021 22.40, Lewis wrote:
> In message <010920211212523973%nospam@nospam.invalid> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> In article <sgo8m0$uik$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Robin Goodfellow
>> <Ancient-of-Days@Heaven.Net> wrote:
>
>>> 1. I want to _know_ what I'm talking about
>
>> you might want that, but you do not.
>
> I had no problem finding multiple TOR/Onion browsers on the App store.
> Dipshit must not really want to know. As usual.

I would not use any unless it comes directly from the TOR people.

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On 9/1/2021 3:10 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 01/09/2021 22.40, Lewis wrote:
>> In message <010920211212523973%nospam@nospam.invalid> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>> In article <sgo8m0$uik$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Robin Goodfellow
>>> <Ancient-of-Days@Heaven.Net> wrote:
>>
>>>> 1. I want to _know_ what I'm talking about
>>
>>> you might want that, but you do not.
>>
>> I had no problem finding multiple TOR/Onion browsers on the App store.
>> Dipshit must not really want to know. As usual.
>
> I would not use any unless it comes directly from the TOR people.

Lewis doesn't understand that Onion ≠ Tor.

sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> asked
>>>>> 1. I want to _know_ what I'm talking about
>>>
>>>> you might want that, but you do not.
>>>
>>> I had no problem finding multiple TOR/Onion browsers on the App store.
>>> Dipshit must not really want to know. As usual.
>>
>> I would not use any unless it comes directly from the TOR people.
>
> Lewis doesn't understand that Onion �� Tor.

*What Lewis said tells us a _lot_ about why iOS is so very different.*

Given the fundamental question to answer is why are the Apple users so
disconnected from technical reality, I'm happy Lewis posted what he did.

While the common Apple user "nospam" _believes_ the Tor Browser exists on
iOS (sans a shred of fact backing up the iOS users' imaginary belief
systems), the common Apple user "Lewis" _still_ believes it exists.

Why?
Because the Apple web site said so... that's why.

No other reason is needed by these common iOS users than "Apple said it."
(And yet, Windows & Android users aren't anywhere nearly that gullible.)

*The question to answer is what is so different about this one consumer OS?*

What _seems_ quite different about the iOS operating system users from _all_
the rest is the users' gullibility and lack of ability to discern details.

Very few Linux or Android users, for example, would fall for what Lewis did.
Certainly many Windows users would, but not the type who are on this ng.

What _else_ is different?

Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> asked
> I had no problem finding multiple TOR/Onion browsers on the App store.
> Dipshit must not really want to know. As usual.

In keeping with the first quartile dunning-kruger'ness of Apple owners,
notice these things about Lewis, which show up extremely strongly above.

1. The Apple zealots believe they're right even as they're completely wrong.

2. They don't have the technical capability to make an accurate assessment.

3. And yet, they feel they're fantastically smarter than everyone else is.

It's like they're reading their horoscope from the Apple web site these
Apple iOS zealots are...

They _love_ what Apple tells them (e.g., "What happens on the iPhone stays
on the iPhone) even as anyone with the slightest technical skills knows
Apple's Webkit is inherently insecure... (which is why Tor doesn't exist).

And yet, they are _certain_ that the Tor browser _does_ exist on iOS.
Why is their _entire_ belief system completely imaginary?

I don't know why.
I just know it's fed to them by Apple (and therefore they believe it).

Could you imagine a Linux or Android user being _this_ childishly gullible?
There's _something_ verrrrry different about iOS users than normal OS users.

On 9/1/2021 8:52 PM, Lewis wrote:
> That is simply not true. There are significant flaws in TOR and they
> have been well and thoroughly exploited. The majority of TOR nodes are
> now run by governments, which is one problem TOR has no way of fixing.

What does your ios app store have that is better than the tor browser then?

>> you need to be on Linux, Windows, or Android.
>
> Also false.

Why do you think the tor browser is on linux, windows & android but not ios?
>> I have Onion on my iPhone but usually use Chrome, Even on Android I
>> rarely use Tor. Sometimes I switch browsers when a site doesn't like one
>> browser or another, but I rarely need the advantages that Tor provides,
>> and it seems slower.
>
> It provides no advantage, many disadvantages, and of course it is
> slower. Do you have the slightest idea how it works? It will ALWAYS be
> slower, guaranteed.

Why do you think the tor browser exists if it "provides no advantages?"
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kwhart1@frontier.com

On 9/1/2021 4:45 PM, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>>> these sado-maso attacks.
>>
>> they gave up.
>>
> ;-)

Are apple trolls ever going to realize onion isn't what they think it is?
Do any of these apple trolls know webkit breaks browser privacy on ios?
--
Ken Hart
kwhart1@frontier.com

In article <sgpohq$4a6$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Ken Hart
<kwhart1@frontier.com> wrote:

> Do any of these apple trolls know webkit breaks browser privacy on ios?

it doesn't.

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> asked
>> Do any of these apple trolls know webkit breaks browser privacy on ios?
>
> it doesn't.

Notice how _different_ iOS users like nospam are from normal OS users.

This is probably the most indicative of the differences between platforms!
The iOS user believes so much in the marketing that facts cease to exist.

1. Notice that Ken _correctly_ understood the facts that Apple does not
allow the kind of privacy _all_ other common OS users habitually have.

2. Then notice how the Apple iOS users literally _deny_ all facts about
Apple products they simply don't like (i.e., the entire belief system
of most iOS users is completely fabricated by Apple for them).

*This is, I think, fundamentally, what's different between the platforms.*
/nospam believes in an _imaginary iOS world_ where facts don't exist/

*It's _Apple_ who purposefully makes Tor anonymity _impossible_ on iOS.*

REFERENCE: (repeated as the iOS users are _still_ oblivious of facts)
*Can I run Tor Browser on an iOS device?*
"Apple requires browsers on iOS to use something called Webkit,
which prevents Onion Browser from having the same privacy
protections as Tor Browser."
<https://support.torproject.org/tormobile/tormobile-3/>

There's something _fundamentally_ different about iOS users from the rest.
That's what I'm trying to flesh out; they're _different_ from normal people.

Am 02.09.21 um 07:47 schrieb Ken Hart:
> On 9/1/2021 4:45 PM, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>>>> these sado-maso attacks.
>>>
>>> they gave up.
>>>
>> ;-)
>
> Are apple trolls ever going to realize onion isn't what they think it is?
> Do any of these apple trolls know webkit breaks browser privacy on ios?

Whether it may be iOS or Android: Any form of communication is insecure
and prone to privacy breaches.

Only the fan boys of both OS are wasting time on such an issue.

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Am 02.09.21 um 14:26 schrieb nospam:
> In article <sgpohq$4a6$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Ken Hart
> <kwhart1@frontier.com> wrote:
>
>> Do any of these apple trolls know webkit breaks browser privacy on ios?
>
> it doesn't.

Fan boy discussions. Sorry.
Use carefully configured computers with the necessary hard- and software
for privacy. Handsets are not designed for this.

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On 2021-09-02 5:42 p.m., Joerg Lorenz wrote:
> Am 02.09.21 um 07:47 schrieb Ken Hart:
>> On 9/1/2021 4:45 PM, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>>>>> these sado-maso attacks.
>>>>
>>>> they gave up.
>>>>
>>> ;-)
>>
>> Are apple trolls ever going to realize onion isn't what they think it is?
>> Do any of these apple trolls know webkit breaks browser privacy on ios?
>
> Whether it may be iOS or Android: Any form of communication is insecure
> and prone to privacy breaches.

Agreed.

> Only the fan boys of both OS are wasting time on such an issue.

Agreed as well. However, smart people would have adopted a form of
communication which appears on ALL platforms rather than the one made by
their company of choice since you generally want to talk to as many
people as possible, not just those who buy the same hardware that you do.

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In article <D4cYI.7546$Dr.917@fx40.iad>, RabidHussar <rabid@huss.ar>
wrote:

> > Only the fan boys of both OS are wasting time on such an issue.
>
> Agreed as well. However, smart people would have adopted a form of
> communication which appears on ALL platforms rather than the one made by
> their company of choice since you generally want to talk to as many
> people as possible, not just those who buy the same hardware that you do.

iphones can use whatever mode of communication someone wants, including
messaging apps such as signal or whatsapp, along with ordinary phone
calls or sms.

Robin Goodfellow <Ancient-of-Days@Heaven.Net> wrote:
> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> asked
>>> Do any of these apple trolls know webkit breaks browser privacy on ios?
>>
>> it doesn't.
>
> Notice how _different_ iOS users like nospam are from normal OS users.
>
> This is probably the most indicative of the differences between platforms!
> The iOS user believes so much in the marketing that facts cease to exist.
>
> 1. Notice that Ken _correctly_ understood the facts that Apple does not
> allow the kind of privacy _all_ other common OS users habitually have.
>
> 2. Then notice how the Apple iOS users literally _deny_ all facts about
> Apple products they simply don't like (i.e., the entire belief system
> of most iOS users is completely fabricated by Apple for them).
>
> *This is, I think, fundamentally, what's different between the platforms.*
> /nospam believes in an _imaginary iOS world_ where facts don't exist/
>
> *It's _Apple_ who purposefully makes Tor anonymity _impossible_ on iOS.*
>
> REFERENCE: (repeated as the iOS users are _still_ oblivious of facts)
> *Can I run Tor Browser on an iOS device?*
> "Apple requires browsers on iOS to use something called Webkit,
> which prevents Onion Browser from having the same privacy
> protections as Tor Browser."
> <https://support.torproject.org/tormobile/tormobile-3/>
>
> There's something _fundamentally_ different about iOS users from the rest.
> That's what I'm trying to flesh out; they're _different_ from normal people.
>
Arlen troll alert

Robin Goodfellow <Ancient-of-Days@Heaven.Net> wrote:
> Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> asked
>> I had no problem finding multiple TOR/Onion browsers on the App store.
>> Dipshit must not really want to know. As usual.
>
> In keeping with the first quartile dunning-kruger'ness of Apple owners,
> notice these things about Lewis, which show up extremely strongly above.
>
> 1. The Apple zealots believe they're right even as they're completely wrong.
>
> 2. They don't have the technical capability to make an accurate assessment.
>
> 3. And yet, they feel they're fantastically smarter than everyone else is.
>
> It's like they're reading their horoscope from the Apple web site these
> Apple iOS zealots are...
>
> They _love_ what Apple tells them (e.g., "What happens on the iPhone stays
> on the iPhone) even as anyone with the slightest technical skills knows
> Apple's Webkit is inherently insecure... (which is why Tor doesn't exist).
>
> And yet, they are _certain_ that the Tor browser _does_ exist on iOS.
> Why is their _entire_ belief system completely imaginary?
>
> I don't know why.
> I just know it's fed to them by Apple (and therefore they believe it).
>
> Could you imagine a Linux or Android user being _this_ childishly gullible?
> There's _something_ verrrrry different about iOS users than normal OS users.
>
You talking about normalcy is quite ironic given your obsessive trolling of
iOS groups because your psychological instability.

Am 03.09.21 um 00:18 schrieb RabidHussar:
> On 2021-09-02 5:42 p.m., Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>> Only the fan boys of both OS are wasting time on such an issue.
>
> Agreed as well. However, smart people would have adopted a form of
> communication which appears on ALL platforms rather than the one made by
> their company of choice since you generally want to talk to as many
> people as possible, not just those who buy the same hardware that you do.

Agreed. Crossposting over 3 or more NGs is nonsense.
There are just two bored people with ways too much time that fire up
these stupid flame wars namely Arlen alias Goodfellow and sms.
They lead to absolutely nothing and do not change anything by a yota.

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*Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> asked
> You talking about normalcy is quite ironic given your obsessive trolling of
> iOS groups because your psychological instability.

What you hate is the facts are never wrong (because I prove what I say).

What you don't like is I own Androids, iPhones & iPads so I know the facts.
<https://i.postimg.cc/YC1B906F/tmopromo01.jpg>

I've also worked in Silicon Valley high tech for decades - so I know facts.

What you _hate_ ... are the facts.
You have no adult defense to facts.

Why not?
Because your entire belief system is imaginary.

That's the fundamental _difference_ between iOS & other OS owners!
You're _desperate_ to believe what Apple says is true.

Even as nobody lies like Apple lies.

Ever wonder why Apple's R&D is nothing compared to their marketing budget.
Nobody is _lower_ than Apple, in fact, in R&D expenditures.

And yet, Apple's profits are sky high like you can't believe high.
Apple smart; customer stupid.
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Since apologists hate facts, here's the facts on R&D expenditures:
https://www.google.com/search?q=apple+R%26D+spending+lowest+high+tech

RabidHussar <rabid@huss.ar> asked
>> Only the fan boys of both OS are wasting time on such an issue.
>
> Agreed as well. However, smart people would have adopted a form of
> communication which appears on ALL platforms rather than the one made by
> their company of choice since you generally want to talk to as many
> people as possible, not just those who buy the same hardware that you do.

I own _plenty_ of Android & iOS devices (both iPhones & iPads).
<https://i.postimg.cc/YC1B906F/tmopromo01.jpg>

I know the facts - and - I test the claims of the Apple apologists.
I write tutorials for all the platforms (Android, iOS, Windows).

What I know is the Apple apologists' claims are almost always wrong.
They are _desperate_ to excuse the fact the iPhone is slowly crippled.

That's an assessment of fact.
Whether that fact is from the lack of anonymity privacy or not.

That's an assessment of fact.
There are so many things impossible on iOS that it's not funny.
- Anonymity browsers
- Automatic call recorders
- Wi-Fi & cellular graphical debuggers
(the list goes on and on and on and on and on and on and on)

The apple apologists brazenly _deny_ all these facts about their OS.
And they're wrong - every single time - because it's the fact they hate.

Yet...

They've never even once_ found even a single fact from me to be wrong.
Not even once (in _decades_ of posting to Usenet).

Keep that in mind please.

What I'm trying to do here is _understand_ operating system differences.

The fundamental difference seems to be Apple owners _believe_ the bullshit.
Even as Apple slowly strangles functionality until they buy their very air.

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> asked
> iphones can use whatever mode of communication someone wants

Except iPhone owners can't have the anonymity the Tor browser provides.
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In article <sgtlga$8tn$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Robin Goodfellow
<Ancient-of-Days@Heaven.Net> wrote:

> What you hate is the facts are always wrong (because everyone disproves what I say).

ftfy

> What you don't like is I own Androids, iPhones & iPads so I know the facts.

you do not know the facts.

you just own a bunch of devices, without knowing how to use any of them
to their fullest potential, including android.
> I've also worked in Silicon Valley high tech for decades - so I know facts.

janitorial work doesn't count. or were you in food service? i don't
remember.