On 10/6/22 08:28, Paul wrote:

[snip]

> Before you laugh at Netscape, source code from Netscape
> is still inside the familiar things on your computer.
> That's because in terms of lineage, it provided some
> of the base that Mozilla used. Bits of it are in Thunderbird.
> Look for "ns_" routines in the source. Seamonkey suite
> is just like Netscape Communicator.
>
> Be careful what you wish for.
>
> We're still using Netscape, just without the Netscape branding.
>
>    Paul

I started using Usenet-News last year. The source for their homepage
checks for Netscape 4 (You couldn't actually use it because their server
requires TLS.).

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On Thu, 06 Oct 2022 08:56:52 -0500, Harry@justhere.com wrote:

(ab out Firefox and Thunderbird)

> Despite my bitch'n, I guess they're still the 'safest' - which is
> truly pathetic.

I hear that the Brave browser has superior privacy, and there's also
Tor. But I have zero experience with either.

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On Thu, 6 Oct 2022 17:28:04 -0700, Stan Brown
<the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:

>On Thu, 06 Oct 2022 08:56:52 -0500, Harry@justhere.com wrote:
>
>(ab out Firefox and Thunderbird)
>
>> Despite my bitch'n, I guess they're still the 'safest' - which is
>> truly pathetic.
>
>I hear that the Brave browser has superior privacy, and there's also
>Tor. But I have zero experience with either.

I've tried many different browsers and I keep coming back to the
earlier 52.9 FFx and MyPal 29.1.1. I just don't need all that extra
junk. MyPal is quicker by far on my machine than FFx. So, I use it
for normal browsing. I use FFX to download YouTube music without
commercials. MyPal shows all those YouTube commercials.

About Tor, I use that only when I want my very personal searches to
remain personal and private. Lots of sites won't load because Tor
restricts greatly what the site sees about you. You just have to keep
clicking on a few more sites before one allows Tor to view the site.

Tor is worth it if you wish to keep such matters as your health,
finances, etc., from the nosey sites. Such info could possibly screw
up your ability to get insurance or a new job somewhere down the line.
All your info is for sale on the Web. It can bite you in the future.

Don't even mention that VPN nonsense. There isn't a darn thing
'private' about VPNs, and many of them are liars as to their privacy
and security measures.

Harry@justhere.com wrote:
> On Thu, 6 Oct 2022 12:24:05 +0100, mechanic <mechanic@example.net>
> wrote:

> >On Wed, 05 Oct 2022 16:59:55 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:
> >
> >> Chrome is another browser I think is junk. To me, Edge and Chrome
> >> are the two worst browsers.
> >>>
> >>> Another browser is Opera. It has problems, but I thought it was
> >>> going to become a really good browser until 2013, when they
> >>> started using Chromium instead of Presto.
> >>
> >> I tried Opera long ago. I remember not liking it but I don't
> >> remember why.
> >
> >Is there anything that you *do* like?

> Yeah. Netscape. Simple luvs Simple.

https://www.seamonkey-project.org/ is like Netscape.
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On Thu, 6 Oct 2022 17:28:04 -0700, Stan Brown
<the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:

>On Thu, 06 Oct 2022 08:56:52 -0500, Harry@justhere.com wrote:
>
>(ab out Firefox and Thunderbird)
>
>> Despite my bitch'n, I guess they're still the 'safest' - which is
>> truly pathetic.
>
>I hear that the Brave browser has superior privacy, and there's also
>Tor. But I have zero experience with either.

I've tried them both, but a still prefer Firefox.

[...]
> >>> Chrome is another browser I think is junk. To me, Edge and Chrome
> >>> are the two worst browsers.
[...]
> ... Netscape...
[...]
> ... Mozilla ...
[...]

They're *all* crap! Mosaic rules the world!

On 10/7/22 14:02, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> [...]
>>>>> Chrome is another browser I think is junk. To me, Edge and Chrome
>>>>> are the two worst browsers.
> [...]
>> ... Netscape...
> [...]
>> ... Mozilla ...
> [...]
>
> They're *all* crap! Mosaic rules the world!

IIRC, Mozilla (as in Mozilla Firefox) means "Mosaic Killer".

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On Fri, 7 Oct 2022 14:29:12 -0500, Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid>
wrote:

>On 10/7/22 14:02, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>> [...]
>>>>>> Chrome is another browser I think is junk. To me, Edge and Chrome
>>>>>> are the two worst browsers.
>> [...]
>>> ... Netscape...
>> [...]
>>> ... Mozilla ...
>> [...]
>>
>> They're *all* crap! Mosaic rules the world!
>
>IIRC, Mozilla (as in Mozilla Firefox) means "Mosaic Killer".

I never knew that before, but yes,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_(mascot) agrees with you.

On 7 Oct 2022 19:02:04 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>
> [...]
> > >>> Chrome is another browser I think is junk. To me, Edge and Chrome
> > >>> are the two worst browsers.
> [...]
> > ... Netscape...
> [...]
> > ... Mozilla ...
> [...]
>
> They're *all* crap! Mosaic rules the world!

Piker! It's lynx, dude, lynx that doesn't bother with fripperies
like CSS.

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Harry@justhere.com wrote on 7/10/22 12:42 pm:
> On Thu, 6 Oct 2022 17:28:04 -0700, Stan Brown
> <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>> On Thu, 06 Oct 2022 08:56:52 -0500, Harry@justhere.com wrote:
>>
>> (ab out Firefox and Thunderbird)
>>
>>> Despite my bitch'n, I guess they're still the 'safest' - which is
>>> truly pathetic.
>>
>> I hear that the Brave browser has superior privacy, and there's also
>> Tor. But I have zero experience with either.
>
> I've tried many different browsers and I keep coming back to the
> earlier 52.9 FFx and MyPal 29.1.1. I just don't need all that extra
> junk. MyPal is quicker by far on my machine than FFx. So, I use it
> for normal browsing. I use FFX to download YouTube music without
> commercials. MyPal shows all those YouTube commercials.
>
> About Tor, I use that only when I want my very personal searches to
> remain personal and private.

Wasn't TOR supposed to have been infected with FBI provided spyware??
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On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 23:29:29 +1100, Daniel65
<daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

>Harry@justhere.com wrote on 7/10/22 12:42 pm:
>> On Thu, 6 Oct 2022 17:28:04 -0700, Stan Brown
>> <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 06 Oct 2022 08:56:52 -0500, Harry@justhere.com wrote:
>>>
>>> (ab out Firefox and Thunderbird)
>>>
>>>> Despite my bitch'n, I guess they're still the 'safest' - which is
>>>> truly pathetic.
>>>
>>> I hear that the Brave browser has superior privacy, and there's also
>>> Tor. But I have zero experience with either.
>>
>> I've tried many different browsers and I keep coming back to the
>> earlier 52.9 FFx and MyPal 29.1.1. I just don't need all that extra
>> junk. MyPal is quicker by far on my machine than FFx. So, I use it
>> for normal browsing. I use FFX to download YouTube music without
>> commercials. MyPal shows all those YouTube commercials.
>>
>> About Tor, I use that only when I want my very personal searches to
>> remain personal and private.
>
>Wasn't TOR supposed to have been infected with FBI provided spyware??

No. There are many Tor B.S. stories around. Sure, the Powers-that-be
might open a Tor node, but the Tor people stay on top of their nodes
and eactly who runs a Tor node.

The anti Tor crap basically is perpetuated by troublemaking trolls who
love to make problems.

On Fri, 7 Oct 2022 17:39:37 -0700, Stan Brown
<the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:

>On 7 Oct 2022 19:02:04 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>> > >>> Chrome is another browser I think is junk. To me, Edge and Chrome
>> > >>> are the two worst browsers.
>> [...]
>> > ... Netscape...
>> [...]
>> > ... Mozilla ...
>> [...]
>>
>> They're *all* crap! Mosaic rules the world!
>
>Piker! It's lynx, dude, lynx that doesn't bother with fripperies
>like CSS.

I've never heard of lynx dude lynx . I guess that's a browser that
I've never tried.

More seriously, I see from Wikipedia that lynx is a text-based web
browser--a web browser that renders only the text of web pages, and
ignores most graphic content.

Do you prefer a browser that ignores most graphic content? Why?
Because that makes if faster?

Firefox may not be the fastest browser, but it's fast enough for me,
and I like its interface much better than any other browser I've
tried. I don't think I would want to give up graphics content for a
little extra speed.

Is there some other reason you recommend lynx? Will it run on Windows
11? Should I try it?

On Sat, 08 Oct 2022 08:57:58 -0700, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com>
wrote:

>On Fri, 7 Oct 2022 17:39:37 -0700, Stan Brown
><the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>
>>On 7 Oct 2022 19:02:04 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>>
>>> [...]
>>> > >>> Chrome is another browser I think is junk. To me, Edge and Chrome
>>> > >>> are the two worst browsers.
>>> [...]
>>> > ... Netscape...
>>> [...]
>>> > ... Mozilla ...
>>> [...]
>>>
>>> They're *all* crap! Mosaic rules the world!
>>
>>Piker! It's lynx, dude, lynx that doesn't bother with fripperies
>>like CSS.
>
>
>I've never heard of lynx dude lynx . I guess that's a browser that
>I've never tried.
>
>More seriously, I see from Wikipedia that lynx is a text-based web
>browser--a web browser that renders only the text of web pages, and
>ignores most graphic content.
>
>Do you prefer a browser that ignores most graphic content? Why?
>Because that makes if faster?
>
>Firefox may not be the fastest browser, but it's fast enough for me,
>and I like its interface much better than any other browser I've
>tried. I don't think I would want to give up graphics content for a
>little extra speed.
>
>Is there some other reason you recommend lynx? Will it run on Windows
>11? Should I try it?

Gawd! I remember those days of command line DOS. My first box was a
Radio Shack TRS-80 Level 2, bought somewhere in the mid '70s. It
wasn't until MS came out with Windows 3.1 that I left the DOS era for
Windows. That was in the late '90s. What thrilled the hell outta me
was when I read that you could have 3 files open at once with 3.1.
Wow!

Despite all Windows so-called shortcomings, I never looked back.

Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> On 7 Oct 2022 19:02:04 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> > > >>> Chrome is another browser I think is junk. To me, Edge and Chrome
> > > >>> are the two worst browsers.
> > [...]
> > > ... Netscape...
> > [...]
> > > ... Mozilla ...
> > [...]
> >
> > They're *all* crap! Mosaic rules the world!
>
> Piker! It's lynx, dude, lynx that doesn't bother with fripperies
> like CSS.

I don't think Mosaic did either, but indeed Lynx came out before
Mosaic, so there you go! :-)

On 10/8/2022 11:57 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
> On Fri, 7 Oct 2022 17:39:37 -0700, Stan Brown
> <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>
>> On 7 Oct 2022 19:02:04 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>>>>> Chrome is another browser I think is junk. To me, Edge and Chrome
>>>>>>> are the two worst browsers.
>>> [...]
>>>> ... Netscape...
>>> [...]
>>>> ... Mozilla ...
>>> [...]
>>>
>>> They're *all* crap! Mosaic rules the world!
>>
>> Piker! It's lynx, dude, lynx that doesn't bother with fripperies
>> like CSS.
>
>
> I've never heard of lynx dude lynx . I guess that's a browser that
> I've never tried.
>
> More seriously, I see from Wikipedia that lynx is a text-based web
> browser--a web browser that renders only the text of web pages, and
> ignores most graphic content.
>
> Do you prefer a browser that ignores most graphic content? Why?
> Because that makes if faster?
>
> Firefox may not be the fastest browser, but it's fast enough for me,
> and I like its interface much better than any other browser I've
> tried. I don't think I would want to give up graphics content for a
> little extra speed.
>
> Is there some other reason you recommend lynx? Will it run on Windows
> 11? Should I try it?
>

dude lynx dude...

I had to use that at work, on my Unix box, because
they would not give us a browser.

I once spent *40 hours* building NCSA Mosaic from source.
I needed that many hours, because I had no library tree with
jpeglib and so on, for the browser. I had to build all the
libraries from source, before compiling Mosaic from source.

The IT department logged all downloads. The bastards waited until
I finished building it, before sending me an email to tell me
to erase it *immediately*. Which I did. 40 hours down the toilet.
(The license is non-commercial - I did not check that before building.)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ea/NCSA_Mosaic_Browser_Screenshot.png

So back to Lynx dude Lynx, just about one of the
worst experiences you can have on a computer :-)

I would rather have an acid flashback, than have to use that again.

You can have pages, where every link in the document, it repeated
twice (or four times) on the Lynx page. Some of the pages can be almost-unreadable.
It can be like working a hex dump, some pages end up so ugly. I was
trying to download electronics datasheets with that tool.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d5/Lynx-wikipedia.png

A web page only looks that good (in the sample photo), if the
web server checks the UserAgent, sees it is Lynx, and sends a
separate page only Lynx would appreciate. Even when Lynx was <cough> popular,
almost nobody made a page suited to Lynx.

Paul

On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 13:38:58 -0400, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

>On 10/8/2022 11:57 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
>> On Fri, 7 Oct 2022 17:39:37 -0700, Stan Brown
>> <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>>
>>> On 7 Oct 2022 19:02:04 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>>>
>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>> Chrome is another browser I think is junk. To me, Edge and Chrome
>>>>>>>> are the two worst browsers.
>>>> [...]
>>>>> ... Netscape...
>>>> [...]
>>>>> ... Mozilla ...
>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>> They're *all* crap! Mosaic rules the world!
>>>
>>> Piker! It's lynx, dude, lynx that doesn't bother with fripperies
>>> like CSS.
>>
>>
>> I've never heard of lynx dude lynx . I guess that's a browser that
>> I've never tried.
>>
>> More seriously, I see from Wikipedia that lynx is a text-based web
>> browser--a web browser that renders only the text of web pages, and
>> ignores most graphic content.
>>
>> Do you prefer a browser that ignores most graphic content? Why?
>> Because that makes if faster?
>>
>> Firefox may not be the fastest browser, but it's fast enough for me,
>> and I like its interface much better than any other browser I've
>> tried. I don't think I would want to give up graphics content for a
>> little extra speed.
>>
>> Is there some other reason you recommend lynx? Will it run on Windows
>> 11? Should I try it?
>>
>
>dude lynx dude...
>
>I had to use that at work, on my Unix box, because
>they would not give us a browser.
>
>I once spent *40 hours* building NCSA Mosaic from source.
>I needed that many hours, because I had no library tree with
>jpeglib and so on, for the browser. I had to build all the
>libraries from source, before compiling Mosaic from source.
>
>The IT department logged all downloads. The bastards waited until
>I finished building it, before sending me an email to tell me
>to erase it *immediately*. Which I did. 40 hours down the toilet.
>(The license is non-commercial - I did not check that before building.)
>
> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ea/NCSA_Mosaic_Browser_Screenshot.png
>
>So back to Lynx dude Lynx, just about one of the
>worst experiences you can have on a computer :-)

OK, thanks. You convinced me that I shouldn't even bother trying it.
>
>I would rather have an acid flashback, than have to use that again.
>
>You can have pages, where every link in the document, it repeated
>twice (or four times) on the Lynx page. Some of the pages can be almost-unreadable.
>It can be like working a hex dump, some pages end up so ugly. I was
>trying to download electronics datasheets with that tool.
>
> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d5/Lynx-wikipedia.png
>
>A web page only looks that good (in the sample photo), if the
>web server checks the UserAgent, sees it is Lynx, and sends a
>separate page only Lynx would appreciate. Even when Lynx was <cough> popular,
>almost nobody made a page suited to Lynx.
>
> Paul

On 10/7/22 19:39, Stan Brown wrote:
> On 7 Oct 2022 19:02:04 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>>>>>> Chrome is another browser I think is junk. To me, Edge and Chrome
>>>>>> are the two worst browsers.
>> [...]
>>> ... Netscape...
>> [...]
>>> ... Mozilla ...
>> [...]
>>
>> They're *all* crap! Mosaic rules the world!
>
> Piker! It's lynx, dude, lynx that doesn't bother with fripperies
> like CSS.

I do have both Mosaic and Lynx on my system, and make sure my website
works on them. No SVG for a big clock, but the other stuff is usable.

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On 10/8/22 12:35, Frank Slootweg wrote:

[snip]

> I don't think Mosaic did either, but indeed Lynx came out before
> Mosaic, so there you go! :-)

I just checked Mosaic. Seems to be no CSS.

One indication is that HTML will normally put a blue border around an
image that's also a link. The picture on my home page is like that, but
I use CSS to suppress that border. On Mosaic, the border shows. Also,
the page isn't as colorful.

BTW, I do know the old pre-CSS way to add colors.

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installation of clinics that dispense contraceptives." [Phyllis
Schlafly, President, Eagle Forum]

On Sat, 08 Oct 2022 08:57:58 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:
>
> On Fri, 7 Oct 2022 17:39:37 -0700, Stan Brown
> <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>
> >On 7 Oct 2022 19:02:04 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> >>
> >> [...]
> >> > >>> Chrome is another browser I think is junk. To me, Edge and Chrome
> >> > >>> are the two worst browsers.
> >> [...]
> >> > ... Netscape...
> >> [...]
> >> > ... Mozilla ...
> >> [...]
> >>
> >> They're *all* crap! Mosaic rules the world!
> >
> >Piker! It's lynx, dude, lynx that doesn't bother with fripperies
> >like CSS.
>
>
> I've never heard of lynx dude lynx . I guess that's a browser that
> I've never tried.
>
> More seriously, I see from Wikipedia that lynx is a text-based web
> browser--a web browser that renders only the text of web pages, and
> ignores most graphic content.
>
> Do you prefer a browser that ignores most graphic content?

Of course not. My mention of lynx was no more serious than the
previous mention of Mosaic by Frank Slootweg.

> Is there some other reason you recommend lynx?

It's called humor. Someone recommended Mosaic, and I posted something
even more archaic.

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Shikata ga nai...

Delete the shortcut and just forget about it !

>On Sat, 08 Oct 2022 08:57:58 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 7 Oct 2022 17:39:37 -0700, Stan Brown
>> <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>>
>> >On 7 Oct 2022 19:02:04 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>> >>
>> >> [...]
>> >> > >>> Chrome is another browser I think is junk. To me, Edge and Chrome
>> >> > >>> are the two worst browsers.
>> >> [...]
>> >> > ... Netscape...
>> >> [...]
>> >> > ... Mozilla ...
>> >> [...]
>> >>
>> >> They're *all* crap! Mosaic rules the world!
>> >
>> >Piker! It's lynx, dude, lynx that doesn't bother with fripperies
>> >like CSS.
>>
>>
>> I've never heard of lynx dude lynx . I guess that's a browser that
>> I've never tried.
>>
>> More seriously, I see from Wikipedia that lynx is a text-based web
>> browser--a web browser that renders only the text of web pages, and
>> ignores most graphic content.
>>
>> Do you prefer a browser that ignores most graphic content?
>
>Of course not. My mention of lynx was no more serious than the
>previous mention of Mosaic by Frank Slootweg.
>
>> Is there some other reason you recommend lynx?
>
>It's called humor. Someone recommended Mosaic, and I posted something
>even more archaic.

KenW

Harry@justhere.com wrote on 9/10/22 12:34 am:
> On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 23:29:29 +1100, Daniel65
> <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>> Harry@justhere.com wrote on 7/10/22 12:42 pm:
>>> On Thu, 6 Oct 2022 17:28:04 -0700, Stan Brown
>>> <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 06 Oct 2022 08:56:52 -0500, Harry@justhere.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> (ab out Firefox and Thunderbird)
>>>>
>>>>> Despite my bitch'n, I guess they're still the 'safest' - which is
>>>>> truly pathetic.
>>>>
>>>> I hear that the Brave browser has superior privacy, and there's also
>>>> Tor. But I have zero experience with either.
>>>
>>> I've tried many different browsers and I keep coming back to the
>>> earlier 52.9 FFx and MyPal 29.1.1. I just don't need all that extra
>>> junk. MyPal is quicker by far on my machine than FFx. So, I use it
>>> for normal browsing. I use FFX to download YouTube music without
>>> commercials. MyPal shows all those YouTube commercials.
>>>
>>> About Tor, I use that only when I want my very personal searches to
>>> remain personal and private.
>>
>> Wasn't TOR supposed to have been infected with FBI provided spyware??
>
> No. There are many Tor B.S. stories around. Sure, the Powers-that-be
> might open a Tor node, but the Tor people stay on top of their nodes
> and eactly who runs a Tor node.
>
> The anti Tor crap basically is perpetuated by troublemaking trolls who
> love to make problems.
>
Ah!! O.K.
--
Daniel

On Sun, 9 Oct 2022 22:38:39 +1100, Daniel65
<daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

>Harry@justhere.com wrote on 9/10/22 12:34 am:
>> On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 23:29:29 +1100, Daniel65
>> <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>> Harry@justhere.com wrote on 7/10/22 12:42 pm:
>>>> On Thu, 6 Oct 2022 17:28:04 -0700, Stan Brown
>>>> <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 06 Oct 2022 08:56:52 -0500, Harry@justhere.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> (ab out Firefox and Thunderbird)
>>>>>
>>>>>> Despite my bitch'n, I guess they're still the 'safest' - which is
>>>>>> truly pathetic.
>>>>>
>>>>> I hear that the Brave browser has superior privacy, and there's also
>>>>> Tor. But I have zero experience with either.
>>>>
>>>> I've tried many different browsers and I keep coming back to the
>>>> earlier 52.9 FFx and MyPal 29.1.1. I just don't need all that extra
>>>> junk. MyPal is quicker by far on my machine than FFx. So, I use it
>>>> for normal browsing. I use FFX to download YouTube music without
>>>> commercials. MyPal shows all those YouTube commercials.
>>>>
>>>> About Tor, I use that only when I want my very personal searches to
>>>> remain personal and private.
>>>
>>> Wasn't TOR supposed to have been infected with FBI provided spyware??
>>
>> No. There are many Tor B.S. stories around. Sure, the Powers-that-be
>> might open a Tor node, but the Tor people stay on top of their nodes
>> and eactly who runs a Tor node.
>>
>> The anti Tor crap basically is perpetuated by troublemaking trolls who
>> love to make problems.
>>
>Ah!! O.K.

If you ever try it, READ the Tor page. It ain't for those who love
all kinds of apps, gimmicks, add-ons, etc. Don't screw it up by
adding anything to it. If you do that, your security is gone.

As I said, I only use it when I have search regarding my personal
health, finances, etc. Only such private things as those. Not all
sites allow Tor, so I stay with a normal browser for unimportant
stuff.

On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 16:47:24 -0700, Stan Brown
<the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:

>On Sat, 08 Oct 2022 08:57:58 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 7 Oct 2022 17:39:37 -0700, Stan Brown
>> <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>>
>> >On 7 Oct 2022 19:02:04 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>> >>
>> >> [...]
>> >> > >>> Chrome is another browser I think is junk. To me, Edge and Chrome
>> >> > >>> are the two worst browsers.
>> >> [...]
>> >> > ... Netscape...
>> >> [...]
>> >> > ... Mozilla ...
>> >> [...]
>> >>
>> >> They're *all* crap! Mosaic rules the world!
>> >
>> >Piker! It's lynx, dude, lynx that doesn't bother with fripperies
>> >like CSS.
>>
>>
>> I've never heard of lynx dude lynx . I guess that's a browser that
>> I've never tried.
>>
>> More seriously, I see from Wikipedia that lynx is a text-based web
>> browser--a web browser that renders only the text of web pages, and
>> ignores most graphic content.
>>
>> Do you prefer a browser that ignores most graphic content?
>
>Of course not. My mention of lynx was no more serious than the
>previous mention of Mosaic by Frank Slootweg.
>
>> Is there some other reason you recommend lynx?
>
>It's called humor. Someone recommended Mosaic, and I posted something
>even more archaic.

OK, but it often hard to tell when a post is meant to be humorous.
It's very different from hearing someone saying something meant to be
funny.

On 10/9/2022 11:44 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
> On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 16:47:24 -0700, Stan Brown
> <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 08 Oct 2022 08:57:58 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:
>>>
>>> On Fri, 7 Oct 2022 17:39:37 -0700, Stan Brown
>>> <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 7 Oct 2022 19:02:04 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>> Chrome is another browser I think is junk. To me, Edge and Chrome
>>>>>>>>> are the two worst browsers.
>>>>> [...]
>>>>>> ... Netscape...
>>>>> [...]
>>>>>> ... Mozilla ...
>>>>> [...]
>>>>>
>>>>> They're *all* crap! Mosaic rules the world!
>>>>
>>>> Piker! It's lynx, dude, lynx that doesn't bother with fripperies
>>>> like CSS.
>>>
>>>
>>> I've never heard of lynx dude lynx . I guess that's a browser that
>>> I've never tried.
>>>
>>> More seriously, I see from Wikipedia that lynx is a text-based web
>>> browser--a web browser that renders only the text of web pages, and
>>> ignores most graphic content.
>>>
>>> Do you prefer a browser that ignores most graphic content?
>>
>> Of course not. My mention of lynx was no more serious than the
>> previous mention of Mosaic by Frank Slootweg.
>>
>>> Is there some other reason you recommend lynx?
>>
>> It's called humor. Someone recommended Mosaic, and I posted something
>> even more archaic.
>
> OK, but it often hard to tell when a post is meant to be humorous.
> It's very different from hearing someone saying something meant to be
> funny.
>

You'd need to see one of these, to see how far back in time
these references go.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/74/Timeline_of_web_browsers.svg

Even Internet Explorer had to start somewhere. But back then,
there was no "Chrome to copy" :-) They copied something else.

Paul

Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 16:47:24 -0700, Stan Brown
> <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>
> >On Sat, 08 Oct 2022 08:57:58 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:
> >>
> >> On Fri, 7 Oct 2022 17:39:37 -0700, Stan Brown
> >> <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On 7 Oct 2022 19:02:04 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> [...]
> >> >> > >>> Chrome is another browser I think is junk. To me, Edge and Chrome
> >> >> > >>> are the two worst browsers.
> >> >> [...]
> >> >> > ... Netscape...
> >> >> [...]
> >> >> > ... Mozilla ...
> >> >> [...]
> >> >>
> >> >> They're *all* crap! Mosaic rules the world!
> >> >
> >> >Piker! It's lynx, dude, lynx that doesn't bother with fripperies
> >> >like CSS.
> >>
> >>
> >> I've never heard of lynx dude lynx . I guess that's a browser that
> >> I've never tried.
> >>
> >> More seriously, I see from Wikipedia that lynx is a text-based web
> >> browser--a web browser that renders only the text of web pages, and
> >> ignores most graphic content.
> >>
> >> Do you prefer a browser that ignores most graphic content?
> >
> >Of course not. My mention of lynx was no more serious than the
> >previous mention of Mosaic by Frank Slootweg.
> >
> >> Is there some other reason you recommend lynx?
> >
> >It's called humor. Someone recommended Mosaic, and I posted something
> >even more archaic.
>
>
> OK, but it often hard to tell when a post is meant to be humorous.
> It's very different from hearing someone saying something meant to be
> funny.

Not really. Quite a few people - me included, if I may say so - are
quite capable of speaking tongue-in-cheek and with a straight face.
That's part of the humour.

Anyway, in this case it was clear from the context that both Mosaic
and Lynx are browsers. A quick search on "<name> browser" would have
revealed that we were talking about archaic (1992/1993) [1] stuff.

But don't feel bad, if no one fell for a tongue-in-cheek joke, it
apparently wasn't a very good one.

[1] Granted, Lynx is still being maintained, but Mosaic has been dead
for 25 years.