Does MS have some trap waiting for me if I uninstall their Edge junk?

On Wed, 5 Oct 2022 04:20:54 +0200 (CEST), Nomen Nescio wrote:
>
> Does MS have some trap waiting for me if I uninstall their Edge junk?

Some Windows features use Edge regardless of your browser choice. If
Edge is not there, I imagine they will not work.

https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=What+if+I+uninstall+Edge%3F

--
Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA https://BrownMath.com/
Shikata ga nai...

In article <MPG.3da690ba93ea16898ffbb@news.individual.net>
Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>
> On Wed, 5 Oct 2022 04:20:54 +0200 (CEST), Nomen Nescio wrote:
> >
> > Does MS have some trap waiting for me if I uninstall their Edge junk?
>
> Some Windows features use Edge regardless of your browser choice. If
> Edge is not there, I imagine they will not work.
>
> https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=What+if+I+uninstall+Edge%3F
>
> --
> Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA https://BrownMath.com/
> Shikata ga nai...

I kind of figured MS would screw me one way or another if I got rid of
the dang thing.

Right now I have it blocked from accessing the Web using Windows 7
firewall. I guess I'll just leave it that way. If it can't access the
Web, it can't phone home or create any security/privacy problems for me.
I had the laptop repaired and the dang comp shop placed a bunch of
unwanted crap like Edge on the machine.

Tnx for the link.

On 10/4/2022 11:47 PM, Nomen Nescio wrote:
> In article <MPG.3da690ba93ea16898ffbb@news.individual.net>
> Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 5 Oct 2022 04:20:54 +0200 (CEST), Nomen Nescio wrote:
>>>
>>> Does MS have some trap waiting for me if I uninstall their Edge junk?
>>
>> Some Windows features use Edge regardless of your browser choice. If
>> Edge is not there, I imagine they will not work.
>>
>> https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=What+if+I+uninstall+Edge%3F
>>
>> --
>> Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA https://BrownMath.com/
>> Shikata ga nai...
>
> I kind of figured MS would screw me one way or another if I got rid of
> the dang thing.
>
> Right now I have it blocked from accessing the Web using Windows 7
> firewall. I guess I'll just leave it that way. If it can't access the
> Web, it can't phone home or create any security/privacy problems for me.
> I had the laptop repaired and the dang comp shop placed a bunch of
> unwanted crap like Edge on the machine.
>
> Tnx for the link.
>

I thought MSEdge was an optional install on Windows 7 ?

MSEdge (ChromEdge) is a standard part of Win10 and Win11, where there
is an engine made from MSEdge, which helps with help viewers or the like.
MSEdge would be a little harder to remove there -- but, I think
the EU would take a dim view ($$$) if it could not actually be removed.

On Windows 7, if you do an optional install, then it should be
removable again. Windows 7 should have the same status as Linux.
On Linux, there is an MSEdge for them as well. It's an optional install.
It can be removed. Windows 7 is supposed to work the same way. It
should just be a browser on Windows 7. On Windows 7 it behaves
as a Universal App, which is how it manages to function as a Win32.
On Win10/Win11, I would expect it uses Metro decorations, and is not
a win32 EXE as such.

*******

OK, I didn't know this. It was "Pushed" to people who had Windows 7
updates turned on. They got it in some update. Normally, you would
voluntarily download MSEdge or ChromEdge. But it appears, they
"Pushed" it, and I did not hear about this.

https://www.ghacks.net/2020/07/07/how-to-remove-the-new-microsoft-edge-if-uninstallation-is-blocked/

cd /d C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft\Edge\Application\83.0.478.58\Installer

setup.exe --uninstall --system-level --verbose-logging --force-uninstall

The reason approaches like this work, is Chrome keeps a ZIP file when
it installs, and you can emit a command line thing, to cause the uninstaller
next to the ZIP, to remove Chrome. The newer MSEdge (ChromEdge) inherits
some of the same baggage. Its "goods" should be in a 150MB or so ZIP file,
and there should be a file next to it, suited to install or uninstall.
And this is something I would expect to find on a win32 setup such
as Windows 7. For regular Chrome and Chromium (two different things),
the command line invocation is different, and is also different
than the above Windows 7 thing in the example Brink wrote.

Win10 and Win11, the command for removal would be a powershell, and
it's using a different technique (the general powershell commands
for removing anything metro). At one time, the "InBox" bit was
set, to prevent removal. I cleared the InBox bit, using a database
editor, and yes, I was allowed to run the uninstaller. But, all it
did was blank out the MSEdge icon on the Taskbar. My attempt
achieved nothing of substance :-) All the executable stuff was still there.
Whether this has been fixed (to suit EU sensibilities), I don't know.

Any time brain surgery is required on an OS, I make a backup of
C: before getting out the chainsaw and starting to work. If there
is no uninstaller in Programs and Features, the "Chrom-esque"
uninstall technique above will likely work. And if it doesn't,
I can't immediately see how there would be blowback. Of course
Microsoft will also have their "Updater" trash, since they did this,
and it's hard to guess whether the trash will be taken out as well.
This could include something in Task Scheduler, as well as other
items outside of the Program Files stuff. If Google installed Chrome,
there would be a GoogleUpdater or similar -- Google uses two services,
rather than just the one. The GoogleUpdater could handle updates
for Chrome and Google Earth for example. Presumably Microsoft has
some mechanism like that too.

Paul

On Wed, 5 Oct 2022 05:38:16 -0400, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

>On 10/4/2022 11:47 PM, Nomen Nescio wrote:
>> In article <MPG.3da690ba93ea16898ffbb@news.individual.net>
>> Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Wed, 5 Oct 2022 04:20:54 +0200 (CEST), Nomen Nescio wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Does MS have some trap waiting for me if I uninstall their Edge junk?
>>>
>>> Some Windows features use Edge regardless of your browser choice. If
>>> Edge is not there, I imagine they will not work.
>>>
>>> https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=What+if+I+uninstall+Edge%3F
>>>
>>> --
>>> Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA https://BrownMath.com/
>>> Shikata ga nai...
>>
>> I kind of figured MS would screw me one way or another if I got rid of
>> the dang thing.
>>
>> Right now I have it blocked from accessing the Web using Windows 7
>> firewall. I guess I'll just leave it that way. If it can't access the
>> Web, it can't phone home or create any security/privacy problems for me.
>> I had the laptop repaired and the dang comp shop placed a bunch of
>> unwanted crap like Edge on the machine.
>>
>> Tnx for the link.
>>
>
>I thought MSEdge was an optional install on Windows 7 ?
>
>MSEdge (ChromEdge) is a standard part of Win10 and Win11, where there
>is an engine made from MSEdge, which helps with help viewers or the like.
>MSEdge would be a little harder to remove there -- but, I think
>the EU would take a dim view ($$$) if it could not actually be removed.
>
>On Windows 7, if you do an optional install, then it should be
>removable again. Windows 7 should have the same status as Linux.
>On Linux, there is an MSEdge for them as well. It's an optional install.
>It can be removed. Windows 7 is supposed to work the same way. It
>should just be a browser on Windows 7. On Windows 7 it behaves
>as a Universal App, which is how it manages to function as a Win32.
>On Win10/Win11, I would expect it uses Metro decorations, and is not
>a win32 EXE as such.
>
>*******
>
>OK, I didn't know this. It was "Pushed" to people who had Windows 7
>updates turned on. They got it in some update. Normally, you would
>voluntarily download MSEdge or ChromEdge. But it appears, they
>"Pushed" it, and I did not hear about this.
>
>https://www.ghacks.net/2020/07/07/how-to-remove-the-new-microsoft-edge-if-uninstallation-is-blocked/
>
> cd /d C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft\Edge\Application\83.0.478.58\Installer
>
> setup.exe --uninstall --system-level --verbose-logging --force-uninstall
>
>The reason approaches like this work, is Chrome keeps a ZIP file when
>it installs, and you can emit a command line thing, to cause the uninstaller
>next to the ZIP, to remove Chrome. The newer MSEdge (ChromEdge) inherits
>some of the same baggage. Its "goods" should be in a 150MB or so ZIP file,
>and there should be a file next to it, suited to install or uninstall.
>And this is something I would expect to find on a win32 setup such
>as Windows 7. For regular Chrome and Chromium (two different things),
>the command line invocation is different, and is also different
>than the above Windows 7 thing in the example Brink wrote.
>
>Win10 and Win11, the command for removal would be a powershell, and
>it's using a different technique (the general powershell commands
>for removing anything metro). At one time, the "InBox" bit was
>set, to prevent removal. I cleared the InBox bit, using a database
>editor, and yes, I was allowed to run the uninstaller. But, all it
>did was blank out the MSEdge icon on the Taskbar. My attempt
>achieved nothing of substance :-) All the executable stuff was still there.
>Whether this has been fixed (to suit EU sensibilities), I don't know.
>
>Any time brain surgery is required on an OS, I make a backup of
>C: before getting out the chainsaw and starting to work. If there
>is no uninstaller in Programs and Features, the "Chrom-esque"
>uninstall technique above will likely work. And if it doesn't,
>I can't immediately see how there would be blowback. Of course
>Microsoft will also have their "Updater" trash, since they did this,
>and it's hard to guess whether the trash will be taken out as well.
>This could include something in Task Scheduler, as well as other
>items outside of the Program Files stuff. If Google installed Chrome,
>there would be a GoogleUpdater or similar -- Google uses two services,
>rather than just the one. The GoogleUpdater could handle updates
>for Chrome and Google Earth for example. Presumably Microsoft has
>some mechanism like that too.
>
> Paul

I certainly can't get into the detail that Paul does, but I can tell
you that I used RevoUninstallerPro to remove MS Edge and all of it's
registry settings from my Win 7 machine, and nothing bad has happened
yet.

>>>>>>>>>>jetjock<<<<<<<<<<

On Wed, 5 Oct 2022 05:38:16 -0400, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

>On 10/4/2022 11:47 PM, Nomen Nescio wrote:
>> In article <MPG.3da690ba93ea16898ffbb@news.individual.net>
>> Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Wed, 5 Oct 2022 04:20:54 +0200 (CEST), Nomen Nescio wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Does MS have some trap waiting for me if I uninstall their Edge junk?
>>>
>>> Some Windows features use Edge regardless of your browser choice. If
>>> Edge is not there, I imagine they will not work.
>>>
>>> https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=What+if+I+uninstall+Edge%3F
>>>
>>> --
>>> Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA https://BrownMath.com/
>>> Shikata ga nai...
>>
>> I kind of figured MS would screw me one way or another if I got rid of
>> the dang thing.
>>
>> Right now I have it blocked from accessing the Web using Windows 7
>> firewall. I guess I'll just leave it that way. If it can't access the
>> Web, it can't phone home or create any security/privacy problems for me.
>> I had the laptop repaired and the dang comp shop placed a bunch of
>> unwanted crap like Edge on the machine.
>>
>> Tnx for the link.
>>
>
>I thought MSEdge was an optional install on Windows 7 ?

As far as I know it is. I did mention earlier that I had the 7 laptop
in a comp shop for a bad problem. They evidently recopied Win 7 -
along with a lot of extraneous, unnecessary crap, onto my laptop as a
"repair".

I just don't want to take a chance with uninstalling the dang thing.
Instead, I have it blocked for incoming and outgoing access. It's as
good as dead. I even have the "update" feature firewalled. I took
what I thought was the simple, safe solution. I ain't tech inclined.
I hate tech problems.

>
>MSEdge (ChromEdge) is a standard part of Win10 and Win11, where there
>is an engine made from MSEdge, which helps with help viewers or the like.
>MSEdge would be a little harder to remove there -- but, I think
>the EU would take a dim view ($$$) if it could not actually be removed.
>
>On Windows 7, if you do an optional install, then it should be
>removable again. Windows 7 should have the same status as Linux.
>On Linux, there is an MSEdge for them as well. It's an optional install.
>It can be removed. Windows 7 is supposed to work the same way. It
>should just be a browser on Windows 7. On Windows 7 it behaves
>as a Universal App, which is how it manages to function as a Win32.
>On Win10/Win11, I would expect it uses Metro decorations, and is not
>a win32 EXE as such.
>

I HATE Win 7. My wife bought the laptop with it on for her own use.
XP is so damn simple for someone like me who does not need any bells
and whistles to accomplish simple browsing. (What Mozilla has done to
the newer versions of FFx in the 100 series is a crime. Menu after
menu of spycrap. Ridiculous.)

Anyway, I think I have everything straightened out with FFx. I also
think I've gotten rid of all the extra crap proggies that were put on
the box. Each one had a $ sign in it's file name. :o)

>
>OK, I didn't know this. It was "Pushed" to people who had Windows 7
>updates turned on. They got it in some update. Normally, you would
>voluntarily download MSEdge or ChromEdge. But it appears, they
>"Pushed" it, and I did not hear about this.
>
>https://www.ghacks.net/2020/07/07/how-to-remove-the-new-microsoft-edge-if-uninstallation-is-blocked/
>
> cd /d C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft\Edge\Application\83.0.478.58\Installer
>
> setup.exe --uninstall --system-level --verbose-logging --force-uninstall
>
>The reason approaches like this work, is Chrome keeps a ZIP file when
>it installs, and you can emit a command line thing, to cause the uninstaller
>next to the ZIP, to remove Chrome. The newer MSEdge (ChromEdge) inherits
>some of the same baggage. Its "goods" should be in a 150MB or so ZIP file,
>and there should be a file next to it, suited to install or uninstall.
>And this is something I would expect to find on a win32 setup such
>as Windows 7. For regular Chrome and Chromium (two different things),
>the command line invocation is different, and is also different
>than the above Windows 7 thing in the example Brink wrote.
>
>Win10 and Win11, the command for removal would be a powershell, and
>it's using a different technique (the general powershell commands
>for removing anything metro). At one time, the "InBox" bit was
>set, to prevent removal. I cleared the InBox bit, using a database
>editor, and yes, I was allowed to run the uninstaller. But, all it
>did was blank out the MSEdge icon on the Taskbar. My attempt
>achieved nothing of substance :-) All the executable stuff was still there.
>Whether this has been fixed (to suit EU sensibilities), I don't know.
>
>Any time brain surgery is required on an OS, I make a backup of
>C: before getting out the chainsaw and starting to work. If there
>is no uninstaller in Programs and Features, the "Chrom-esque"
>uninstall technique above will likely work. And if it doesn't,
>I can't immediately see how there would be blowback. Of course
>Microsoft will also have their "Updater" trash, since they did this,
>and it's hard to guess whether the trash will be taken out as well.
>This could include something in Task Scheduler, as well as other
>items outside of the Program Files stuff. If Google installed Chrome,
>there would be a GoogleUpdater or similar -- Google uses two services,
>rather than just the one. The GoogleUpdater could handle updates
>for Chrome and Google Earth for example. Presumably Microsoft has
>some mechanism like that too.
>
> Paul

I try to never go near Google for anything except to download YouTube
music files. Even then, I ain't registered, I just use 3dyd to
download them with my FFx 52.9 browser. Absolutely no YouTube
commercials are shown with my old 52.9 browser. However, every once in
awhile I inadvertently use MyPal to look at a YouTube video. It's
absurd to have to watch commercials at the beginning of the file, and
if the music file is large enough, have to put up with interruptions
in the music to watch more commercials in the middle of the music.

Google has ruined the Internet with it's ever expanding greed.

- Harry -

On Wed, 05 Oct 2022 09:55:00 -0500, jetjock <jetjock@unkown.com>
wrote:

>On Wed, 5 Oct 2022 05:38:16 -0400, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On 10/4/2022 11:47 PM, Nomen Nescio wrote:
>>> In article <MPG.3da690ba93ea16898ffbb@news.individual.net>
>>> Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 5 Oct 2022 04:20:54 +0200 (CEST), Nomen Nescio wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Does MS have some trap waiting for me if I uninstall their Edge junk?
>>>>
>>>> Some Windows features use Edge regardless of your browser choice. If
>>>> Edge is not there, I imagine they will not work.
>>>>
>>>> https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=What+if+I+uninstall+Edge%3F
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA https://BrownMath.com/
>>>> Shikata ga nai...
>>>
>>> I kind of figured MS would screw me one way or another if I got rid of
>>> the dang thing.
>>>
>>> Right now I have it blocked from accessing the Web using Windows 7
>>> firewall. I guess I'll just leave it that way. If it can't access the
>>> Web, it can't phone home or create any security/privacy problems for me.
>>> I had the laptop repaired and the dang comp shop placed a bunch of
>>> unwanted crap like Edge on the machine.
>>>
>>> Tnx for the link.
>>>
>>
>>I thought MSEdge was an optional install on Windows 7 ?
>>
>>MSEdge (ChromEdge) is a standard part of Win10 and Win11, where there
>>is an engine made from MSEdge, which helps with help viewers or the like.
>>MSEdge would be a little harder to remove there -- but, I think
>>the EU would take a dim view ($$$) if it could not actually be removed.
>>
>>On Windows 7, if you do an optional install, then it should be
>>removable again. Windows 7 should have the same status as Linux.
>>On Linux, there is an MSEdge for them as well. It's an optional install.
>>It can be removed. Windows 7 is supposed to work the same way. It
>>should just be a browser on Windows 7. On Windows 7 it behaves
>>as a Universal App, which is how it manages to function as a Win32.
>>On Win10/Win11, I would expect it uses Metro decorations, and is not
>>a win32 EXE as such.
>>
>>*******
>>
>>OK, I didn't know this. It was "Pushed" to people who had Windows 7
>>updates turned on. They got it in some update. Normally, you would
>>voluntarily download MSEdge or ChromEdge. But it appears, they
>>"Pushed" it, and I did not hear about this.
>>
>>https://www.ghacks.net/2020/07/07/how-to-remove-the-new-microsoft-edge-if-uninstallation-is-blocked/
>>
>> cd /d C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft\Edge\Application\83.0.478.58\Installer
>>
>> setup.exe --uninstall --system-level --verbose-logging --force-uninstall
>>
>>The reason approaches like this work, is Chrome keeps a ZIP file when
>>it installs, and you can emit a command line thing, to cause the uninstaller
>>next to the ZIP, to remove Chrome. The newer MSEdge (ChromEdge) inherits
>>some of the same baggage. Its "goods" should be in a 150MB or so ZIP file,
>>and there should be a file next to it, suited to install or uninstall.
>>And this is something I would expect to find on a win32 setup such
>>as Windows 7. For regular Chrome and Chromium (two different things),
>>the command line invocation is different, and is also different
>>than the above Windows 7 thing in the example Brink wrote.
>>
>>Win10 and Win11, the command for removal would be a powershell, and
>>it's using a different technique (the general powershell commands
>>for removing anything metro). At one time, the "InBox" bit was
>>set, to prevent removal. I cleared the InBox bit, using a database
>>editor, and yes, I was allowed to run the uninstaller. But, all it
>>did was blank out the MSEdge icon on the Taskbar. My attempt
>>achieved nothing of substance :-) All the executable stuff was still there.
>>Whether this has been fixed (to suit EU sensibilities), I don't know.
>>
>>Any time brain surgery is required on an OS, I make a backup of
>>C: before getting out the chainsaw and starting to work. If there
>>is no uninstaller in Programs and Features, the "Chrom-esque"
>>uninstall technique above will likely work. And if it doesn't,
>>I can't immediately see how there would be blowback. Of course
>>Microsoft will also have their "Updater" trash, since they did this,
>>and it's hard to guess whether the trash will be taken out as well.
>>This could include something in Task Scheduler, as well as other
>>items outside of the Program Files stuff. If Google installed Chrome,
>>there would be a GoogleUpdater or similar -- Google uses two services,
>>rather than just the one. The GoogleUpdater could handle updates
>>for Chrome and Google Earth for example. Presumably Microsoft has
>>some mechanism like that too.
>>
>> Paul
>
>I certainly can't get into the detail that Paul does, but I can tell
>you that I used RevoUninstallerPro to remove MS Edge and all of it's
>registry settings from my Win 7 machine, and nothing bad has happened
>yet.
>
> >>>>>>>>>>jetjock<<<<<<<<<<

I never installed the Edge junk. As I said in a previous post, a
repair shop who fixed the laptop replaced my broken Windows 7 with a
copy from one of their own machines. Edge, and tons of other crap
were put on my comp by them.

I've got Edge totally firewalled for in/out plus updates, so it's safe
to keep it around.

As for the outset of all this, I did learn how to use Win 7's firewall
a whole lot better than before. That solved my problem of thinking I
needed a "simpler" firewall. (I think even brain surgery must be
'easy' once you know how.) :o)

On Wed, 5 Oct 2022 05:47:45 +0200 (CEST), Nomen Nescio wrote:
> In article <MPG.3da690ba93ea16898ffbb@news.individual.net>
> Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> > [quoted text muted]
> >
> > --
> > Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA https://BrownMath.com/
> > Shikata ga nai...
>

I checked my posted article, and it does indeed have the required
space in the "-- " signature delimiter. Your article quoting my
signature does not have that space, so I think your software must
have removed it.

If there isn't a setting in your newsreader to treat signatures
properly (not to quote them), please consider trimming your quotes
manually.

--
Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA https://BrownMath.com/
Shikata ga nai...

On Wed, 5 Oct 2022 04:20:54 +0200 (CEST), Nomen Nescio
<nobody@dizum.com> wrote:

>Does MS have some trap waiting for me if I uninstall their Edge junk?

I agree that Edge is junk, but I don't want to try to uninstall it for
several reasons:

1. I'm not sure that it can be uninstalled.

2. If it can be uninstalled and it is, it may cause some Windows
problems.

3. If it doesn't cause Windows problem now, it may cause them down the
road as Windows is updated.

4. It's a rare occurrence, but every now and then I come across a site
that doesn't work in Firefox (my preferred browser), but does work in
Edge.

5. There's no advantage to uninstalling it. I've changed my default to
Firefox, and I never run Edge. It's being there unused doesn't hurt.

On Wed, 05 Oct 2022 10:32:04 -0700, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com>
wrote:

>On Wed, 5 Oct 2022 04:20:54 +0200 (CEST), Nomen Nescio
><nobody@dizum.com> wrote:
>
>>Does MS have some trap waiting for me if I uninstall their Edge junk?
>
>
>I agree that Edge is junk, but I don't want to try to uninstall it for
>several reasons:
>
>1. I'm not sure that it can be uninstalled.
>
>2. If it can be uninstalled and it is, it may cause some Windows
>problems.
>
>3. If it doesn't cause Windows problem now, it may cause them down the
>road as Windows is updated.
>
>4. It's a rare occurrence, but every now and then I come across a site
>that doesn't work in Firefox (my preferred browser), but does work in
>Edge.
>
>5. There's no advantage to uninstalling it. I've changed my default to
>Firefox, and I never run Edge. It's being there unused doesn't hurt.

That's exactly how I feel. I just firewalled it in/out/updates.
Fini.

On 10/5/22 04:38, Paul wrote:

[snip]

> OK, I didn't know this. It was "Pushed" to people who had Windows 7
> updates turned on. They got it in some update. Normally, you would
> voluntarily download MSEdge or ChromEdge. But it appears, they
> "Pushed" it, and I did not hear about this.

IIRC, this update came after "EOL" when there weren't supposed to be any
more updates. Some people will have turned "Windows Update" off.

[snip]

--
81 days until the winter celebration (Sunday, December 25, 2022 12:00:00
AM for 1 day).

Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"Mystical explanations are considered deep. The truth is that they are
not even superficial." [Friedrich Nietzsche, The Gay Science: 126]

On 10/5/22 09:55, jetjock wrote:

[snip]

> I certainly can't get into the detail that Paul does, but I can tell
> you that I used RevoUninstallerPro to remove MS Edge and all of it's
> registry settings from my Win 7 machine, and nothing bad has happened
> yet.
>
> >>>>>>>>>>jetjock<<<<<<<<<<

I don't expect there to be any problems on Win 7. Maybe there will be on
Win 11. Of Win 10 (although CREdge didn't exist when Win 10 was new,
there have been a lot of updates since).

--
81 days until the winter celebration (Sunday, December 25, 2022 12:00:00
AM for 1 day).

Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"Mystical explanations are considered deep. The truth is that they are
not even superficial." [Friedrich Nietzsche, The Gay Science: 126]

On 10/5/22 09:56, Harry@justhere.com wrote:

[snip]

> I HATE Win 7. My wife bought the laptop with it on for her own use.
> XP is so damn simple for someone like me who does not need any bells
> and whistles to accomplish simple browsing.

The version I liked best (at the time) is 2000. I'd still use it if it
wasn't incompatible with so much new stuff. I find 7 to be the best
version of those that come after 2000. XP is second best. I never liked
Vista, although I'd rather have that than anything after 7.

[snip]

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"Mystical explanations are considered deep. The truth is that they are
not even superficial." [Friedrich Nietzsche, The Gay Science: 126]

On 10/5/22 10:06, Harry@justhere.com wrote:

[snip]

> I never installed the Edge junk. As I said in a previous post, a
> repair shop who fixed the laptop replaced my broken Windows 7 with a
> copy from one of their own machines. Edge, and tons of other crap
> were put on my comp by them.

> I've got Edge totally firewalled for in/out plus updates, so it's safe
> to keep it around.

Except when M$ decides to ignore those rules, and connect to the
internet anyway (although, as I said before) I don't expect this on Win
7 (more likely on Win 10 or 11).

> As for the outset of all this, I did learn how to use Win 7's firewall
> a whole lot better than before. That solved my problem of thinking I
> needed a "simpler" firewall. (I think even brain surgery must be
> 'easy' once you know how.) :o)

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"Mystical explanations are considered deep. The truth is that they are
not even superficial." [Friedrich Nietzsche, The Gay Science: 126]

On 10/5/22 12:32, Ken Blake wrote:
> On Wed, 5 Oct 2022 04:20:54 +0200 (CEST), Nomen Nescio
> <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:
>
>> Does MS have some trap waiting for me if I uninstall their Edge junk?
>
>
> I agree that Edge is junk, but I don't want to try to uninstall it for
> several reasons:

Both Edges (Chromium Edge and the UWP Edge that was a version of IE only
found on Win 10) are junk.

> 1. I'm not sure that it can be uninstalled.
>
> 2. If it can be uninstalled and it is, it may cause some Windows
> problems.
>
> 3. If it doesn't cause Windows problem now, it may cause them down the
> road as Windows is updated.
>
> 4. It's a rare occurrence, but every now and then I come across a site
> that doesn't work in Firefox (my preferred browser), but does work in
> Edge.
>
> 5. There's no advantage to uninstalling it. I've changed my default to
> Firefox, and I never run Edge. It's being there unused doesn't hurt.

I've used Firefox since the first version that was called Firefox (0.8)
and prefer it. BTW, it's older than Chrome.

Another browser is Opera. It has problems, but I thought it was going to
become a really good browser until 2013, when they started using
Chromium instead of Presto.

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Mark Lloyd
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"Mystical explanations are considered deep. The truth is that they are
not even superficial." [Friedrich Nietzsche, The Gay Science: 126]

On Wed, 5 Oct 2022 17:12:34 -0500, Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid>
wrote:

>On 10/5/22 12:32, Ken Blake wrote:
>> On Wed, 5 Oct 2022 04:20:54 +0200 (CEST), Nomen Nescio
>> <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Does MS have some trap waiting for me if I uninstall their Edge junk?
>>
>>
>> I agree that Edge is junk, but I don't want to try to uninstall it for
>> several reasons:
>
>Both Edges (Chromium Edge and the UWP Edge that was a version of IE only
>found on Win 10) are junk.

Yes.

>> 1. I'm not sure that it can be uninstalled.
>>
>> 2. If it can be uninstalled and it is, it may cause some Windows
>> problems.
>>
>> 3. If it doesn't cause Windows problem now, it may cause them down the
>> road as Windows is updated.
>>
>> 4. It's a rare occurrence, but every now and then I come across a site
>> that doesn't work in Firefox (my preferred browser), but does work in
>> Edge.
>>
>> 5. There's no advantage to uninstalling it. I've changed my default to
>> Firefox, and I never run Edge. It's being there unused doesn't hurt.
>
>I've used Firefox since the first version that was called Firefox (0.8)
>and prefer it. BTW, it's older than Chrome.

Yes, I know.

Chrome is another browser I think is junk. To me, Edge and Chrome are
the two worst browsers.
>
>Another browser is Opera. It has problems, but I thought it was going to
>become a really good browser until 2013, when they started using
>Chromium instead of Presto.

I tried Opera long ago. I remember not liking it but I don't remember
why.

On Wed, 5 Oct 2022 17:05:32 -0500, Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid>
wrote:

>On 10/5/22 10:06, Harry@justhere.com wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>> I never installed the Edge junk. As I said in a previous post, a
>> repair shop who fixed the laptop replaced my broken Windows 7 with a
>> copy from one of their own machines. Edge, and tons of other crap
>> were put on my comp by them.
>
>> I've got Edge totally firewalled for in/out plus updates, so it's safe
>> to keep it around.
>
>Except when M$ decides to ignore those rules, and connect to the
>internet anyway (although, as I said before) I don't expect this on Win
>7 (more likely on Win 10 or 11).
>
>> As for the outset of all this, I did learn how to use Win 7's firewall
>> a whole lot better than before. That solved my problem of thinking I
>> needed a "simpler" firewall. (I think even brain surgery must be
>> 'easy' once you know how.) :o)

I don't see them negating the settings of their own firewall. They
could try to fool you into downloading some 'extension', or new
'update' which would plant another problem outside of your firewall
setting. However, I don't think they are overly concerned any longer
about the number of users still hanging on to Win 7.

Here's an interesting page on the subject.

https://www.zdnet.com/article/how-many-pcs-are-still-running-windows-7-today/

On Wed, 05 Oct 2022 16:59:55 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

> Chrome is another browser I think is junk. To me, Edge and Chrome
> are the two worst browsers.
>>
>> Another browser is Opera. It has problems, but I thought it was
>> going to become a really good browser until 2013, when they
>> started using Chromium instead of Presto.
>
> I tried Opera long ago. I remember not liking it but I don't
> remember why.

Is there anything that you *do* like?

On Thu, 6 Oct 2022 12:24:05 +0100, mechanic <mechanic@example.net>
wrote:

>On Wed, 05 Oct 2022 16:59:55 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:
>
>> Chrome is another browser I think is junk. To me, Edge and Chrome
>> are the two worst browsers.
>>>
>>> Another browser is Opera. It has problems, but I thought it was
>>> going to become a really good browser until 2013, when they
>>> started using Chromium instead of Presto.
>>
>> I tried Opera long ago. I remember not liking it but I don't
>> remember why.
>
>Is there anything that you *do* like?

Yeah. Netscape. Simple luvs Simple.

On 10/6/2022 7:43 AM, Harry@justhere.com wrote:
> On Thu, 6 Oct 2022 12:24:05 +0100, mechanic <mechanic@example.net>
> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 05 Oct 2022 16:59:55 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:
>>
>>> Chrome is another browser I think is junk. To me, Edge and Chrome
>>> are the two worst browsers.
>>>>
>>>> Another browser is Opera. It has problems, but I thought it was
>>>> going to become a really good browser until 2013, when they
>>>> started using Chromium instead of Presto.
>>>
>>> I tried Opera long ago. I remember not liking it but I don't
>>> remember why.
>>
>> Is there anything that you *do* like?
>
> Yeah. Netscape. Simple luvs Simple.
>

Before you laugh at Netscape, source code from Netscape
is still inside the familiar things on your computer.
That's because in terms of lineage, it provided some
of the base that Mozilla used. Bits of it are in Thunderbird.
Look for "ns_" routines in the source. Seamonkey suite
is just like Netscape Communicator.

Be careful what you wish for.

We're still using Netscape, just without the Netscape branding.

Paul

On Thu, 6 Oct 2022 09:28:33 -0400, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

>On 10/6/2022 7:43 AM, Harry@justhere.com wrote:
>> On Thu, 6 Oct 2022 12:24:05 +0100, mechanic <mechanic@example.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 05 Oct 2022 16:59:55 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:
>>>
>>>> Chrome is another browser I think is junk. To me, Edge and Chrome
>>>> are the two worst browsers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Another browser is Opera. It has problems, but I thought it was
>>>>> going to become a really good browser until 2013, when they
>>>>> started using Chromium instead of Presto.
>>>>
>>>> I tried Opera long ago. I remember not liking it but I don't
>>>> remember why.
>>>
>>> Is there anything that you *do* like?
>>
>> Yeah. Netscape. Simple luvs Simple.
>>
>
>Before you laugh at Netscape, source code from Netscape
>is still inside the familiar things on your computer.
>That's because in terms of lineage, it provided some
>of the base that Mozilla used. Bits of it are in Thunderbird.
>Look for "ns_" routines in the source. Seamonkey suite
>is just like Netscape Communicator.
>
>Be careful what you wish for.
>
>We're still using Netscape, just without the Netscape branding.
>
> Paul

Yep, you're right.

It is beyond me how Mozilla has devolved into complicated crapola with
menu after menu, each following menu undoing the settings of the
previous one.

Who in the hell needs all those so-called 'settings'. Those so-called
'settings' are merely a cover up for Mozilla to con you into allowing
spying and adware.

It's a joke how they still pretend to be all for "security' and
'privacy'.

Despite my bitch'n, I guess they're still the 'safest' - which is
truly pathetic.

On Thu, 6 Oct 2022 12:24:05 +0100, mechanic <mechanic@example.net>
wrote:

>On Wed, 05 Oct 2022 16:59:55 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:
>
>> Chrome is another browser I think is junk. To me, Edge and Chrome
>> are the two worst browsers.
>>>
>>> Another browser is Opera. It has problems, but I thought it was
>>> going to become a really good browser until 2013, when they
>>> started using Chromium instead of Presto.
>>
>> I tried Opera long ago. I remember not liking it but I don't
>> remember why.
>
>Is there anything that you *do* like?

Sigh.

Browser: Firefox
E-mail client: Thunderbird
Usenet Client: Agent
Search Engine: StartPage and Duck Duck Go
Search Program: Everything
Word Processor: WordPerfect
Financial Program: Quicken

Also

Windows 11
Start11
WinAeroTweaker
KeePass
Enpass
Microsoft Excel
Notepad++
Moffsoft Calculator 2
Belarc Advisor
Agent Ransack
TreeSize
Zoom
IrfanView

And other programs and web sites whose names don't immediately come to
mind.

On Thu, 06 Oct 2022 08:10:16 -0700, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com>
wrote:

>On Thu, 6 Oct 2022 12:24:05 +0100, mechanic <mechanic@example.net>
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 05 Oct 2022 16:59:55 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:
>>
>>> Chrome is another browser I think is junk. To me, Edge and Chrome
>>> are the two worst browsers.
>>>>
>>>> Another browser is Opera. It has problems, but I thought it was
>>>> going to become a really good browser until 2013, when they
>>>> started using Chromium instead of Presto.
>>>
>>> I tried Opera long ago. I remember not liking it but I don't
>>> remember why.
>>
>>Is there anything that you *do* like?
>
>
>Sigh.
>
>Browser: Firefox

Yep. Older 52.9 ver.

>E-mail client: Thunderbird
>Usenet Client: Agent

Older ver. 1.93 (Don't need tons of folders and extra nyms.)

>Search Engine: StartPage and Duck Duck Go

Yep.

>Search Program: Everything

>Word Processor: WordPerfect

Still using ver. 9. Just don't need anything fancier.
Never found another word processer that is so simple and effective for
what I need done.

>Financial Program: Quicken

I leave this one up to my wife. I have her convinced I can't add nor
subtract. She does the bookwork.

>
>Also
>
>Windows 11
>Start11
>WinAeroTweaker
>KeePass
>Enpass
>Microsoft Excel
>Notepad++
>Moffsoft Calculator 2
>Belarc Advisor
>Agent Ransack
>TreeSize
>Zoom
>IrfanView

You wore me out with this last bunch...

>And other programs and web sites whose names don't immediately come to
>mind.

ditto.

On 10/5/22 18:59, Ken Blake wrote:

[snip]

>> Another browser is Opera. It has problems, but I thought it was going to
>> become a really good browser until 2013, when they started using
>> Chromium instead of Presto.
>
> I tried Opera long ago. I remember not liking it but I don't remember
> why.

I remember one thing I liked. When browsers started implementing the
fullscreen API, Opera was the only browser that used the standard
function names (this changed when they dropped Presto). Now. all
browsers except Safari do.

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AM for 1 day).

Mark Lloyd
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"Skeptical scrutiny is the means, in both science and religion, by which
deep thoughts can be winnowed from deep nonsense." -- Carl Sagan

On 10/6/22 06:43, Harry@justhere.com wrote:
> On Thu, 6 Oct 2022 12:24:05 +0100, mechanic <mechanic@example.net>
> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 05 Oct 2022 16:59:55 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:
>>
>>> Chrome is another browser I think is junk. To me, Edge and Chrome
>>> are the two worst browsers.
>>>>
>>>> Another browser is Opera. It has problems, but I thought it was
>>>> going to become a really good browser until 2013, when they
>>>> started using Chromium instead of Presto.
>>>
>>> I tried Opera long ago. I remember not liking it but I don't
>>> remember why.
>>
>> Is there anything that you *do* like?
>
> Yeah. Netscape. Simple luvs Simple.

I didn't have internet access at the time Netscape was popular. I have
tried it later, but it was already too old to be very useful.

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AM for 1 day).

Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"Skeptical scrutiny is the means, in both science and religion, by which
deep thoughts can be winnowed from deep nonsense." -- Carl Sagan