Mac, 115.80

So with the OAuth bug fixed, I moved all my other accounts to
Firefox. I now have all 11 under TB, free of the Gmail bloated
desktop, and Yahoo's, whose desktop made Google's look
lightweight. About half are ordinary SSL/TLS, the others OAuth.

Adding the new OAuth accounts dragged it down to a crawl. I'd
type a password in, and it would echo a * for each character
at a rate of 4-5 seconds per character.

I've done several things to help in that respect.

I unchecked the "Check for New Messages at startup" as it would
fall to the floor dealing with that. I have staggered the "Check
for new messages every 'n' minutes. On Disk Space, I started out
at syncing 1 day's worth locally. I've since nudged them up.

I have one account inbox/sent per window. The sent tab forces
TBird to show the account at the top left.

Interestingly, a feature <https://shorturl.at/hINU7A> is
the beep & pop-up in the upper right-hand corner announcing a
new mail. In the past, it would appear EXCEPT when TB was
on-screen. Now it's appearing then, too.

One thing puzzles me. CMD-tilde rotates through the windows, but
sometimes it skips some of the windows in the rotation.

Also, when I start up TBird, it takes a while to create all 11
windows and 22 entries. Is there some way to create a template
or such that creates the windows at startup?

Another issue: Without "Check for New Messages at Startup."
checked, TBird does not ask me for the passwords for accounts;
it just seems to ignore those accounts when the "check for new
message" time is reached. This is true when I use the cloud "Get
all new messages" but not when I drop down to the individual
accounts.

Suggestions/advice?

--
A host is a host from coast to coast...............wb8foz@panix.com
& no one will talk to a host that's close..........................
Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

David Lesher wrote:
[..snip..]
> I have one account inbox/sent per window. The sent tab forces
> TBird to show the account at the top left.
[..snip..]
> Also, when I start up TBird, it takes a while to create all 11
> windows and 22 entries. Is there some way to create a template
> or such that creates the windows at startup?

You run every of your 11 accounts in a different Thunderbird window?!
Why?

On 3/20/2024 2:26 PM, David Lesher wrote:
> Mac, 115.80
>
> So with the OAuth bug fixed, I moved all my other accounts to
> Firefox. I now have all 11 under TB, free of the Gmail bloated
> desktop, and Yahoo's, whose desktop made Google's look
> lightweight. About half are ordinary SSL/TLS, the others OAuth.
>
> Adding the new OAuth accounts dragged it down to a crawl. I'd
> type a password in, and it would echo a * for each character
> at a rate of 4-5 seconds per character.
>
> I've done several things to help in that respect.
>
> I unchecked the "Check for New Messages at startup" as it would
> fall to the floor dealing with that. I have staggered the "Check
> for new messages every 'n' minutes. On Disk Space, I started out
> at syncing 1 day's worth locally. I've since nudged them up.
>
> I have one account inbox/sent per window. The sent tab forces
> TBird to show the account at the top left.
>
> Interestingly, a feature <https://shorturl.at/hINU7A> is
> the beep & pop-up in the upper right-hand corner announcing a
> new mail. In the past, it would appear EXCEPT when TB was
> on-screen. Now it's appearing then, too.
>
> One thing puzzles me. CMD-tilde rotates through the windows, but
> sometimes it skips some of the windows in the rotation.
>
> Also, when I start up TBird, it takes a while to create all 11
> windows and 22 entries. Is there some way to create a template
> or such that creates the windows at startup?
>
> Another issue: Without "Check for New Messages at Startup."
> checked, TBird does not ask me for the passwords for accounts;
> it just seems to ignore those accounts when the "check for new
> message" time is reached. This is true when I use the cloud "Get
> all new messages" but not when I drop down to the individual
> accounts.

Are your 11 account on 11 different hosts or ISPs? If so, why so many?

I have an account with an ISP, using a single personalized domain. That
account has five different E-mail addresses. (An address is the part
before the @ symbol.) One address gets messages routed to an account on
my wife's PC. The four others involve a single account with one prime
address plus three "identities", all of which are routed to my PC. I
filter incoming messages to route then to distinct folders within my
account according to their addresses.

Yes, I also have a second E-mail account. That is explained at my
<http://www.rossde.com/internet/my_domain.html>.

--
David E. Ross
<http://www.rossde.com/>

Demonstrators worldwide are demanding that Israel stop
fighting in Gaza. Why does it seem that no one is demanding
that Hamas stop fighting? And where are the demonstrations
against Russia fighting in the Ukraine.

"David E. Ross" <nobody@nowhere.invalid> writes:

>Are your 11 account on 11 different hosts or ISPs? If so, why so many?

Some are on my colleague's mail server.
Some are Gmail for Google activities.
The tail-end is on Yahoo; those are for the lowest grade of mail.

Addresses are separated by function. Two are personal; others for
specific jobs. They are on my personal 3 letter domain.

I've had the oldest for ~35 years.

--
A host is a host from coast to coast...............wb8foz@panix.com
& no one will talk to a host that's close..........................
Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

Frank Miller <miller@posteo.ee> writes:

>You run every of your 11 accounts in a different Thunderbird window?!
>Why?

They are for separate functions. And if they were fused, how
would the reply addresses stay discrete?

--
A host is a host from coast to coast...............wb8foz@panix.com
& no one will talk to a host that's close..........................
Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

And then there is this Panix account; it's new, only about 20 years.

Any suggestions on the startup question, or how to know if I've forgotten
to log in to one?

--
A host is a host from coast to coast...............wb8foz@panix.com
& no one will talk to a host that's close..........................
Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

David Lesher wrote:
> Frank Miller <miller@posteo.ee> writes:
>
>
>>You run every of your 11 accounts in a different Thunderbird window?!
>>Why?
>
> They are for separate functions. And if they were fused, how
> would the reply addresses stay discrete?

I really don't understand your configuration.
Do you run every of your 11 accounts in a different TB profile?

And what about "staying discrete" of reply addresses?
The 'usual' way of using Thunderbird is to install it and add some mail accounts.

May it be just one or 11: every account has its own settings. Server connections,
mail addresses, reply addresses, aliases, check mail at startup, copies & folders,
etc. blabla. Every account is separated from each other.
So i really don't understand why you open 11 windows for different accounts
when you could use tabs in just one single window.

On 2024-03-21 02:56, Frank Miller wrote:
> David Lesher wrote:
>> Frank Miller <miller@posteo.ee> writes:
>>
>>
>>> You run every of your 11 accounts in a different Thunderbird window?!
>>> Why?
>>
>> They are for separate functions. And if they were fused, how
>> would the reply addresses stay discrete?
>
> I really don't understand your configuration.
> Do you run every of your 11 accounts in a different TB profile?
>
> And what about "staying discrete" of reply addresses?
> The 'usual' way of using Thunderbird is to install it and add some mail accounts.
>
> May it be just one or 11: every account has its own settings. Server connections,
> mail addresses, reply addresses, aliases, check mail at startup, copies & folders,
> etc. blabla. Every account is separated from each other.
> So i really don't understand why you open 11 windows for different accounts
> when you could use tabs in just one single window.

Or just one windows and one profile, just 11 accounts. Folders etc
blabla are separate.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2024-03-21 02:56, Frank Miller wrote:
>> David Lesher wrote:
>>> Frank Miller <miller@posteo.ee> writes:
>>>
>>>> You run every of your 11 accounts in a different Thunderbird window?!
>>>> Why?
>>>
>>> They are for separate functions. And if they were fused, how
>>> would the reply addresses stay discrete?
>>
>> I really don't understand your configuration.
>> Do you run every of your 11 accounts in a different TB profile?
>>
>> And what about "staying discrete" of reply addresses?
>> The 'usual' way of using Thunderbird is to install it and add some mail accounts.
>>
>> May it be just one or 11: every account has its own settings. Server connections,
>> mail addresses, reply addresses, aliases, check mail at startup, copies & folders,
>> etc. blabla. Every account is separated from each other.
>> So i really don't understand why you open 11 windows for different accounts
>> when you could use tabs in just one single window.
>
> Or just one windows and one profile, just 11 accounts. Folders etc
> blabla are separate.

That's what i said. You recapped it right.

On 21.03.24 02:25, David Lesher wrote:
> And then there is this Panix account; it's new, only about 20 years.
>
> Any suggestions on the startup question, or how to know if I've forgotten
> to log in to one?

Automate this processes.

--
"Ave Caesar! Morituri te salutant!"

Frank Miller <miller@posteo.ee> writes:

>I really don't understand your configuration.
>Do you run every of your 11 accounts in a different TB profile?

No, in different windows, with inbox, sent, message being tabs in each.

>And what about "staying discrete" of reply addresses?
>The 'usual' way of using Thunderbird is to install it and add some mail accounts.

As I have done.

>May it be just one or 11: every account has its own settings. Server connections,
>mail addresses, reply addresses, aliases, check mail at startup, copies & folders,
>etc. blabla. Every account is separated from each other.

>So i really don't understand why you open 11 windows for different accounts
>when you could use tabs in just one single window.

Because 22+tabs would be a mess. And I can move between accounts/windows
with CMD ~ very easily.

--
A host is a host from coast to coast...............wb8foz@panix.com
& no one will talk to a host that's close..........................
Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

=?UTF-8?Q?J=C3=B6rg_Lorenz?= <hugybear@gmx.net> writes:

>> Any suggestions on the startup question, or how to know if I've forgotten
>> to log in to one?

>Automate this processes.
Pointers?

--
A host is a host from coast to coast...............wb8foz@panix.com
& no one will talk to a host that's close..........................
Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

On 21.03.24 04:48, David Lesher wrote:
> =?UTF-8?Q?J=C3=B6rg_Lorenz?= <hugybear@gmx.net> writes:
>
>>> Any suggestions on the startup question, or how to know if I've forgotten
>>> to log in to one?
>
>> Automate this processes.
> Pointers?

Account Settings - Server Settings - Check for new messages at startup

In your particular case it would be very important to use the
IMAP-Protocol and not POP3.

--
"Ave Caesar! Morituri te salutant!"

On 2024-03-21 03:34, Frank Miller wrote:
> Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2024-03-21 02:56, Frank Miller wrote:
>>> David Lesher wrote:
>>>> Frank Miller <miller@posteo.ee> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> You run every of your 11 accounts in a different Thunderbird window?!
>>>>> Why?
>>>>
>>>> They are for separate functions. And if they were fused, how
>>>> would the reply addresses stay discrete?
>>>
>>> I really don't understand your configuration.
>>> Do you run every of your 11 accounts in a different TB profile?
>>>
>>> And what about "staying discrete" of reply addresses?
>>> The 'usual' way of using Thunderbird is to install it and add some mail accounts.
>>>
>>> May it be just one or 11: every account has its own settings. Server connections,
>>> mail addresses, reply addresses, aliases, check mail at startup, copies & folders,
>>> etc. blabla. Every account is separated from each other.
>>> So i really don't understand why you open 11 windows for different accounts
>>> when you could use tabs in just one single window.
>>
>> Or just one windows and one profile, just 11 accounts. Folders etc
>> blabla are separate.
>
> That's what i said. You recapped it right.

Sorry, I meant a single tab for the folders view :-)

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 2024-03-21 04:45, David Lesher wrote:
> Frank Miller <miller@posteo.ee> writes:
>
>
>> I really don't understand your configuration.
>> Do you run every of your 11 accounts in a different TB profile?
>
> No, in different windows, with inbox, sent, message being tabs in each.

Why?

>
>
>> And what about "staying discrete" of reply addresses?
>> The 'usual' way of using Thunderbird is to install it and add some mail accounts.
>
> As I have done.
>
>
>> May it be just one or 11: every account has its own settings. Server connections,
>> mail addresses, reply addresses, aliases, check mail at startup, copies & folders,
>> etc. blabla. Every account is separated from each other.
>
>> So i really don't understand why you open 11 windows for different accounts
>> when you could use tabs in just one single window.
>
> Because 22+tabs would be a mess. And I can move between accounts/windows
> with CMD ~ very easily.

Why not a single window; all folders, all accounts in a single tab?
That's what everybody does.

If you use 11 windows TB will be very slow.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 20/03/2024 21:26, David Lesher wrote:
> Also, when I start up TBird, it takes a while to create all 11
> windows and 22 entries. Is there some way to create a template
> or such that creates the windows at startup?
>
> Another issue: Without "Check for New Messages at Startup."
> checked, TBird does not ask me for the passwords for accounts;
> it just seems to ignore those accounts when the "check for new
> message" time is reached. This is true when I use the cloud "Get
> all new messages" but not when I drop down to the individual
> accounts.
>
>
>
>
> Suggestions/advice?
>
Having read the previous posts by you and others in this thread I am
inclined to suggest abandoning your bizarre setup and use TBird normally.

Including a couple of Usenet servers I have 10 accounts opening quickly
(couple of seconds) in a single window/tab. I am never confused over
which account I am using, everything works smoothly and TBird never
troubles me to enter passwords or ignores accounts because I use its
password manager.

Am 21.03.24 um 16:34 schrieb MikeS:
> On 20/03/2024 21:26, David Lesher wrote:
>> Also, when I start up TBird, it takes a while to create all 11
>> windows and 22 entries. Is there some way to create a template
>> or such that creates the windows at startup?
>>
>> Another issue: Without "Check for New Messages at Startup."
>> checked, TBird does not ask me for the passwords for accounts;
>> it just seems to ignore those accounts when the "check for new
>> message" time is reached. This is true when I use the cloud "Get
>> all new messages" but not when I drop down to the individual
>> accounts.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Suggestions/advice?
>>
> Having read the previous posts by you and others in this thread I am
> inclined to suggest abandoning your bizarre setup and use TBird normally.

+1. But what is "normally" or the range which can be viewed as normal?

> Including a couple of Usenet servers I have 10 accounts opening quickly
> (couple of seconds) in a single window/tab. I am never confused over
> which account I am using, everything works smoothly and TBird never
> troubles me to enter passwords or ignores accounts because I use its
> password manager.

I agree, this thread is a bit bizarre

--
"Gutta cavat lapidem." (Ovid)

On Thu, 21 Mar 2024 03:45:56 -0000 (UTC), David Lesher
<wb8foz@panix.com> wrote:

>Frank Miller <miller@posteo.ee> writes:
>
>
>>I really don't understand your configuration.
>>Do you run every of your 11 accounts in a different TB profile?
>
> No, in different windows, with inbox, sent, message being tabs in each.

Maybe I'm deficient in brain-power, but *how* do you generate
*separate windows* for each of x-number of accounts?

I can't get my mind around that... except, as Frank Miller postulates,
you're running multiple profiles. The process to set those up boggles
grey cells.

There must be a terminology/definition/label of what you call
*windows* that's confusing us?

Nobody <jock@soccer.com> writes:

>> No, in different windows, with inbox, sent, message being tabs in each.

>Maybe I'm deficient in brain-power, but *how* do you generate
>*separate windows* for each of x-number of accounts?

Down the left side is a list of accounts, with folders under each.

I scroll down to the inbox of an account.
I right click
I see "Open in new window" and presto.
In that new window, I then right click on the Sent folder.
I choose open in new tab.
{This gives me a window with two tabs, Inbox & Sent, When I
click on a message, it opens a third.}

I then repeat for the next account, etc.

>There must be a terminology/definition/label of what you call
>*windows* that's confusing us?

When I go to the top bar, the one with an Apple at the left, there
is a column called Window. When I click on it, I get a dropdown
listing several items: Tile, Minimize, Zoom and then a list of
each open window, with a check next to the one in the foreground.
I can click on a different one..

OR

I can rotate through them with a CMD {Pendanticly, the Swedish Campground symbol}
<https://www.shortlist.com/news/apple-mac-command-key-origin-story-sweden-macbook-pro>
and tilde ("~").

This is how I have arranged mailboxes since I first used Eudora
back when Dinosaurs roamed the Ether. Before that, I used Elm
which was not multi-account, of course.

--
A host is a host from coast to coast...............wb8foz@panix.com
& no one will talk to a host that's close..........................
Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

David Lesher wrote:
> Nobody <jock@soccer.com> writes:
>
>>> No, in different windows, with inbox, sent, message being tabs in each.
>
>>Maybe I'm deficient in brain-power, but *how* do you generate
>>*separate windows* for each of x-number of accounts?
>
> Down the left side is a list of accounts, with folders under each.
>
> I scroll down to the inbox of an account.
> I right click
> I see "Open in new window" and presto.
> In that new window, I then right click on the Sent folder.
> I choose open in new tab.
> {This gives me a window with two tabs, Inbox & Sent, When I
> click on a message, it opens a third.}
>
> I then repeat for the next account, etc.
>
>
>>There must be a terminology/definition/label of what you call
>>*windows* that's confusing us?
>
> When I go to the top bar, the one with an Apple at the left, there
> is a column called Window. When I click on it, I get a dropdown
> listing several items: Tile, Minimize, Zoom and then a list of
> each open window, with a check next to the one in the foreground.
> I can click on a different one..
>
> OR
>
> I can rotate through them with a CMD {Pendanticly, the Swedish Campground symbol}
> <https://www.shortlist.com/news/apple-mac-command-key-origin-story-sweden-macbook-pro>
> and tilde ("~").
>
> This is how I have arranged mailboxes since I first used Eudora
> back when Dinosaurs roamed the Ether. Before that, I used Elm
> which was not multi-account, of course.

Sorry to say that. But in times, where "Tabs" are usual in nearly every program
where it could be useful your workflow is really outdated.

David Lesher wrote:
> Nobody <jock@soccer.com> writes:
[..snip..]
>>There must be a terminology/definition/label of what you call
>>*windows* that's confusing us?
>
> When I go to the top bar, the one with an Apple at the left,
[..snip..]

P.S.: Okay maybe you should discuss this in a dedicated Apple-Newsgroup.
This is not a Thunderbird issue but a question how you use your Desktop.

If you open 11 separated windows for just one mail client it's no surprise
that your system is slowing down and throwing error messages.

Frank Miller <miller@posteo.ee> writes:

>P.S.: Okay maybe you should discuss this in a dedicated Apple-Newsgroup.
>This is not a Thunderbird issue but a question how you use your Desktop.

Is this forum limited to MS Eudora?

>If you open 11 separated windows for just one mail client it's
>no surprise that your system is slowing down and throwing error
>messages.

Ah, it does not. What DID bog it was the initial comfiguration
when it was trying to fetch local caches from each
server. There's a few GB total. That's why I started out with
cache settings of 1 day, then ramped up.

What is a PITA is when I restart TBird, and it's demanding all
11 passwords at once. You can't enter one before another plops
on top of it. That is why I uncheck "Check for new messages at
startup". BUT an issue I do have is the "check for new messages
every 'n' minutes" silently fails if I missed an account's pw
entry. I would think after n minutes, I'd get a pop-up asking
for the password.

The same happens when I hit "Get all new messages" in the upper
left; silent failure. But if I individually interrogate a
mailbox, THEN I get a password prompt, as expected. {No, I do
not let TB or browsers memorize my passwords; by using my memory
regularly, I remember them.

--
A host is a host from coast to coast...............wb8foz@panix.com
& no one will talk to a host that's close..........................
Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

Frank Miller <miller@posteo.ee> writes:

>Sorry to say that. But in times, where "Tabs" are usual in
>nearly every program where it could be useful your workflow is
>really outdated.

I DO use tabs, within each account. Inbox, Sent, messages that are opened...

I have zero desire to pull all incoming messages into one mixed
account. The accounts are for different functions, and get treated
differently by me.

--
A host is a host from coast to coast...............wb8foz@panix.com
& no one will talk to a host that's close..........................
Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

On 2024-03-22 15:44, David Lesher wrote:
> Frank Miller <miller@posteo.ee> writes:
>
>
>> P.S.: Okay maybe you should discuss this in a dedicated Apple-Newsgroup.
>> This is not a Thunderbird issue but a question how you use your Desktop.
>
> Is this forum limited to MS Eudora?
>
>> If you open 11 separated windows for just one mail client it's
>> no surprise that your system is slowing down and throwing error
>> messages.

And that will happen no matter what operating system.

>
> Ah, it does not. What DID bog it was the initial comfiguration
> when it was trying to fetch local caches from each
> server. There's a few GB total. That's why I started out with
> cache settings of 1 day, then ramped up.
>
> What is a PITA is when I restart TBird, and it's demanding all
> 11 passwords at once. You can't enter one before another plops
> on top of it. That is why I uncheck "Check for new messages at
> startup". BUT an issue I do have is the "check for new messages
> every 'n' minutes" silently fails if I missed an account's pw
> entry. I would think after n minutes, I'd get a pop-up asking
> for the password.

Why do you enter the passwords at all?

Just have the passwords saved by Thunderbird, protected by a Master
Password. You only have to enter the Master Password.

>
> The same happens when I hit "Get all new messages" in the upper
> left; silent failure. But if I individually interrogate a
> mailbox, THEN I get a password prompt, as expected. {No, I do
> not let TB or browsers memorize my passwords; by using my memory
> regularly, I remember them.

Ok, so it is a problem of your own making.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 2024-03-22 15:49, David Lesher wrote:
> Frank Miller <miller@posteo.ee> writes:
>
>
>> Sorry to say that. But in times, where "Tabs" are usual in
>> nearly every program where it could be useful your workflow is
>> really outdated.
>
> I DO use tabs, within each account. Inbox, Sent, messages that are opened...
>
> I have zero desire to pull all incoming messages into one mixed
> account. The accounts are for different functions, and get treated
> differently by me.

So?

You don't have to mix them, when using a single window.

I have 9 accounts. I use a single Thunderbird window. I just click on
the inbox or whatever folder of whatever account I want to read at the time.

I can open another window, but each window slows down Thunderbird,
because it is single threaded. Eleven windows? The mind boggles.

--
Cheers, Carlos.