I got into a wayland session - yay!

Mike Easter wrote:
> Also, absent that login menu which I'm finding impossible to enable,
> I haven't been able to find command line instructions to enable
> wayland.

I finally found an instruction which had the key words to show me the way.

Since this is a live, my strategy has been to logout/in, but I
encountered instructions which took away the logout/in (in favor of a
reboot, which loses the changes of a live) and gave me the choice of
systemctl restart gdm3 because it said:

> After you have made the desired changes, save this file and exit it.
> You will need to restart GDM3 or reboot your Ubuntu 22.04 desktop for
> the changes to take effect.

So, using the live session, I simply change the custom.conf by accessing
it w/ the default gedit started w/ sudo to enable wayland and restart
gdm3 w/ systemctl

$ sudo systemctl restart gdm3

I still haven't figured out how to get the menu, but for now I'll assume
that 'you can't get there' in a live session because its user ubuntu
isn't the same kind of user as you would have w/ a conventional install.
The login screen isn't 'conventional' compared to screenshots I've
seen for Ub 22.04 installed. That is, there *isn't* a login screen w/
the default live boot and if you logout/in to get one, it isn't the same
as a conventional installed Ub 22.04 and there is no gear icon.

--
Mike Easter

Mike Easter wrote:
> I got into a wayland session - yay!
>
> So, using the live session, I simply change the custom.conf by accessing
> it w/ the default gedit started w/ sudo to enable wayland and restart
> gdm3 w/ systemctl
>
> $ sudo systemctl restart gdm3
>
The strategy for a KDE such as KDE neon is different. The current live
neon already has the necessary 'ingredients' to just boot into wayland,
but the default live comes up in xorg.

So, in order to get wayland on neon, I drop out of the default xorg
desktop w/ such as ctrl-alt-F3 to a tty, then login w/ the default user
neon pass (empty return), then:

dbus-run-session startplasma-wayland

Then I'm in wayland.

If I want to go back to the original xorg, it is still in ctrl-alt-F1

That is pretty convenient.

I think I'll start another thread, since I 'like' KDE but I don't care
much for gnome :-)

--
Mike Easter

Rob H wrote:
> On 13/02/2023 18:48, Mike Easter wrote:
>> Mike Easter wrote:
>>> Rob H wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks but Automatic login doesn't work on the said ubuntu machine,
>>>> and there sees to be no way of removing the drop down menu with the
>>>> listings.
>>>
>>> I wonder if I can jigger around my live Ub to cause it to give me
>>> such a menu.
>>>
>> This page says I should have a cogwheel on the login screen, but the
>> live doesn't even after I add a user and pass.
>>
>> https://beebom.com/how-switch-between-wayland-xorg-ubuntu/
>> How to Switch Between Wayland and Xorg in Ubuntu
>>
>> I've enabled Wayland in the custom.conf but it only boots into xorg
>> and I don't get an option to login Wayland, no menu.
>>
>> So, maybe I can't get such a menu in live.  The default live which
>> uses user ubuntu doesn't show ubuntu as a user in the settings.
>>
>
> Sods law eh?
> You might say I'm lucky in one sense. I enabled wayland but changed xorg.
>
> It's definitely strange why I get a drop down menu, and you don't.
> Oh well.

Okay I do not understand what dropdown on the TOP of the login greeter
which you are referring to. Are you using the stock Ubuntu 22.04 gdm
greeter? Because on the TOP is only indicators for with dropdowns for
assistive features or system settings such are network and volume
controls. The gear is in the BOTTOM RIGHT for desktop options to select
DE or WM.

Where is what the stock greater looks like when your have multiple user
profiles: <https://www.littleworksstudio.com/temp/usenet/22.04login1>

And if you have a single, or after selecting a user, here is the greeter
login page and see the gear is in the lower-right:
<https://www.littleworksstudio.com/temp/usenet/22.04login2>

I have wayland selected. Maybe a screenshot of what you are seeing might
help. It seem like you have something non-standard going on here...

--
Take care,

Jonathan
-------------------
LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

On 14/02/2023 22:44, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
> Rob H wrote:
>> On 13/02/2023 18:48, Mike Easter wrote:
>>> Mike Easter wrote:
>>>> Rob H wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks but Automatic login doesn't work on the said ubuntu machine,
>>>>> and there sees to be no way of removing the drop down menu with the
>>>>> listings.
>>>>
>>>> I wonder if I can jigger around my live Ub to cause it to give me
>>>> such a menu.
>>>>
>>> This page says I should have a cogwheel on the login screen, but the
>>> live doesn't even after I add a user and pass.
>>>
>>> https://beebom.com/how-switch-between-wayland-xorg-ubuntu/
>>> How to Switch Between Wayland and Xorg in Ubuntu
>>>
>>> I've enabled Wayland in the custom.conf but it only boots into xorg
>>> and I don't get an option to login Wayland, no menu.
>>>
>>> So, maybe I can't get such a menu in live.  The default live which
>>> uses user ubuntu doesn't show ubuntu as a user in the settings.
>>>
>>
>> Sods law eh?
>> You might say I'm lucky in one sense. I enabled wayland but changed xorg.
>>
>> It's definitely strange why I get a drop down menu, and you don't.
>> Oh well.
>
> Okay I do not understand what dropdown on the TOP of the login greeter
> which you are referring to. Are you using the stock Ubuntu 22.04 gdm
> greeter? Because on the TOP is only indicators for with dropdowns for
> assistive features or system settings such are network and volume
> controls. The gear is in the BOTTOM RIGHT for desktop options to select
> DE or WM.
>
> Where is what the stock greater looks like when your have multiple user
> profiles: <https://www.littleworksstudio.com/temp/usenet/22.04login1>
>
> And if you have a single, or after selecting a user, here is the greeter
> login page and see the gear is in the lower-right:
> <https://www.littleworksstudio.com/temp/usenet/22.04login2>
>
> I have wayland selected. Maybe a screenshot of what you are seeing might
> help. It seem like you have something non-standard going on here...
>
>
I installed the ubuntu stock version some time ago and subsequently
updated / upgraded it to now 22.04.
A short while ago I installed the Plasma desktop to try it out, but it
wasn't preferred over the stock ubuntu desktop at that time.
As far as I remember , but didn't realise at the time, it was then that
the said drop down menu appeared at the left hand top of the screen,
with 4 options of desktop environments.
The actual screen is a mix of dark and light blue with the login name
and box over towards the right.

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA512

On 2023-02-15, Rob H wrote:
[...]
> I installed the ubuntu stock version some time ago and subsequently
> updated / upgraded it to now 22.04.
> A short while ago I installed the Plasma desktop to try it out, but it
> wasn't preferred over the stock ubuntu desktop at that time.

Make sure that the "extra" desktop environment(s) are fully removed.
They're (usually) the culprit for "blocked" auto-logins that previously
worked.

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
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=MGHz
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

--
|_|O|_|
|_|_|O| Github: https://github.com/dpurgert
|O|O|O| PGP: DDAB 23FB 19FA 7D85 1CC1 E067 6D65 70E5 4CE7 2860

On 15/02/2023 10:42, Dan Purgert wrote:
> On 2023-02-15, Rob H wrote:
> [...]
>> I installed the ubuntu stock version some time ago and subsequently
>> updated / upgraded it to now 22.04.
>> A short while ago I installed the Plasma desktop to try it out, but it
>> wasn't preferred over the stock ubuntu desktop at that time.
>
>
> Make sure that the "extra" desktop environment(s) are fully removed.
> They're (usually) the culprit for "blocked" auto-logins that previously
> worked.
>
>
>

I did remove Plasma with
sudo apt remove plasma-desktop --autoremove

but it still is in the listing:

Plasma(X11)
Ubuntu on Xorg
Ubuntu
Ubuntu on (Wayland)
Ubuntu(Wayland)

Rob H wrote:
> I  did remove Plasma with
> sudo apt remove plasma-desktop --autoremove
>
> but it still is in the listing:
>
> Plasma(X11)
> Ubuntu on Xorg
> Ubuntu
> Ubuntu on (Wayland)
> Ubuntu(Wayland)

Our earlier 'fixing' discussions involved etc/gdm/custom.conf

A 'normal' Plasma install on a current KDE Ub such as for KDE neon or
Kubuntu doesn't even use a gdm dir at all because gdm is 'gnome display
manager'. Gnome is NOT KDE.

KDE uses SDDM for simple desktop display manager, but it doesn't
'reconfigure' between xorg and wayland the same way as I described in a
different sub-thread.

I mention all that not by way of an 'answer', but by way of saying that
when you introduce an entirely new/different desktop environment, a LOT
of things are done differently.

--
Mike Easter

Mike Easter wrote:
> Rob H wrote:
>> I  did remove Plasma with
>> sudo apt remove plasma-desktop --autoremove
>>
>> but it still is in the listing:
>>
>> Plasma(X11)
>> Ubuntu on Xorg
>> Ubuntu
>> Ubuntu on (Wayland)
>> Ubuntu(Wayland)
>
> Our earlier 'fixing' discussions involved etc/gdm/custom.conf
>
Or, said another way;

Installing something as 'drastic' as a different desktop environment
based on an altogether different 'framework' of toolkit such as that
gnome gtk vs kde plasma qt, and then 'uninstalling' said drastic change,
doesn't 'necessarily' (or even likely) result in the system being the
*same* as it was before the drastic change was made.

--
Mike Easter

On 15/02/2023 15:41, Mike Easter wrote:
> Rob H wrote:
>> I  did remove Plasma with
>> sudo apt remove plasma-desktop --autoremove
>>
>> but it still is in the listing:
>>
>> Plasma(X11)
>> Ubuntu on Xorg
>> Ubuntu
>> Ubuntu on (Wayland)
>> Ubuntu(Wayland)
>
> Our earlier 'fixing' discussions involved etc/gdm/custom.conf
>
> A 'normal' Plasma install on a current KDE Ub such as for KDE neon or
> Kubuntu doesn't even use a gdm dir at all because gdm is 'gnome display
> manager'. Gnome is NOT KDE.
>
> KDE uses SDDM for simple desktop display manager, but it doesn't
> 'reconfigure' between xorg and wayland the same way as I described in a
> different sub-thread.
>
> I mention all that not by way of an 'answer', but by way of saying that
> when you introduce an entirely new/different desktop environment, a LOT
> of things are done differently.
>

Actually it was /etc/gdm3/custom.conf, but I know what you meant

It doesn't seem to make any difference what I enable or disable in the
said file, there is no difference to the login page nor the window
system using Wayland. If it is selected in the drop down list that is
what I get.

Rob H wrote:
> It doesn't seem to make any difference what I enable or disable in the
> said file, there is no difference to the login page nor the window
> system using Wayland. If it is selected in the drop down list that is
> what I get.

This isn't an answer either, but just a data point; part of what one
plasma 'piece' does is provide plasma-wayland-session to enable a user
to choose which xorg or wayland they want for the session at login. Of
course that p-w-s is NOT going to be using gdm3 'type' conf because it
doesn't use gdm3 at all.

To my earlier point, I consider that installing something like a VERY
different DE is going to 'break' the old system to do its job the 'new'
system way, and removing the 'new' KDE isn't going to 'fix' what it
broke because it wasn't the one which built what it broke.

If you know what I mean. Gene :-)

--
Mike Easter

On 15/02/2023 18:33, Mike Easter wrote:
> Rob H wrote:
>> It doesn't seem to make any difference what I enable or disable in the
>> said file, there is no difference to the login page nor the window
>> system using Wayland. If it is selected in the drop down list that is
>> what I get.
>
> This isn't an answer either, but just a data point; part of what one
> plasma 'piece' does is provide plasma-wayland-session to enable a user
> to choose which xorg or wayland they want for the session at login.  Of
> course that p-w-s is NOT going to be using gdm3 'type' conf because it
> doesn't use gdm3 at all.
>
> To my earlier point, I consider that installing something like a VERY
> different DE is going to 'break' the old system to do its job the 'new'
> system way, and removing the 'new' KDE isn't going to 'fix' what it
> broke because it wasn't the one which built what it broke.
>
> If you know what I mean. Gene :-)
>

Ok, so you think that installing a very different desktop would or could
'break' the existing rather than old system.

As there are '10 best desktop environments on 20.04/22.04, which one in
your experience would you suggest.

Rob H wrote:
> As there are '10 best desktop environments on 20.04/22.04, which one in
> your experience would you suggest.

That is something each person has to figure out for himself/ themselves.
My personal everyday driver is Mint's Cinnamon I'm using here and which
Mint v. of Ubuntu I like better than Ub's decisions. Mint has minty
tools, mint eschews Ub's snap, mint doesn't do gnome in favor of the
other gtk DEs Cinn, Mate, & XFCE.

But, since I like a lot of other things too, I'm 'always' dabbling in
alternates. My favorite KDE over Ub is KDE neon, there are a lot of
things I like about MX over Debian and of its DEs I like their XFCE more
than their KDE.

In the example of Mint, Mint doesn't 'do' wayland at all; it isn't an
option. No menu :-)

So if I 'suggest' Mint Cinnamon, it isn't actually because I think YOU
should choose that one, it is only because based on what I dabble w/,
which is a lot, it is my personal choice for my most active use.

I also use a KDE neon for 'other purposes' because I want to use its
Kleopatra and I like its file manager 'better' for those purposes, which
is mostly dl/ing linux .iso/s, and checking their hash, and
authenticating their key signature.

Also, in both cases I mostly use persistent live rather than installed
to hdd. I use multiple machines to 'turn' from one system to another,
not any kind of dual booting. A small percentage of the time I also use
a Win7 still installed on a refurbed desktop that mostly does linux
stuff on USBs.

--
Mike Easter

On 15/02/2023 19:17, Mike Easter wrote:
> Rob H wrote:
>> As there are '10 best desktop environments on 20.04/22.04, which one
>> in your experience would you suggest.
>
> That is something each person has to figure out for himself/ themselves.
> My personal everyday driver is Mint's Cinnamon I'm using here and which
> Mint v. of Ubuntu I like better than Ub's decisions.  Mint has minty
> tools, mint eschews Ub's snap, mint doesn't do gnome in favor of the
> other gtk DEs Cinn, Mate, & XFCE.
>
> But, since I like a lot of other things too, I'm 'always' dabbling in
> alternates.  My favorite KDE over Ub is KDE neon, there are a lot of
> things I like about MX over Debian and of its DEs I like their XFCE more
> than their KDE.
>
> In the example of Mint, Mint doesn't 'do' wayland at all; it isn't an
> option.  No menu :-)
>
> So if I 'suggest' Mint Cinnamon, it isn't actually because I think YOU
> should choose that one, it is only because based on what I dabble w/,
> which is a lot, it is my personal choice for my most active use.
>
> I also use a KDE neon for 'other purposes' because I want to use its
> Kleopatra and I like its file manager 'better' for those purposes, which
> is mostly dl/ing linux .iso/s, and checking their hash, and
> authenticating their key signature.
>
> Also, in both cases I mostly use persistent live rather than installed
> to hdd.  I use multiple machines to 'turn' from one system to another,
> not any kind of dual booting.  A small percentage of the time I also use
> a Win7 still installed on a refurbed desktop that mostly does linux
> stuff on USBs.
>
>
>

Thanks but after installing Cinnamon desktop, and rebooting, I still get
the same login screen with that *!**!1 drop down menu. The only
difference to it now is that Cinnamon ism added to the list.

Rob H wrote:
> Thanks but after installing Cinnamon desktop, and rebooting, I still get
> the same login screen with that *!**!1 drop down menu. The only
> difference to it now is that Cinnamon ism added to the list.

I wasn't talking about Cinnamon on top of everything else; I was talking
about 'my' Cinnamon on my Mint.

In this case you don't solve 'secondary DE installing problems' by
uninstalling that DE and then installing another different DE.

This login menu business isn't a 'big' problem, but it also isn't an
'ordinary' problem that an ordinary or intermediate experienced user
knows how to solve.

When 'we' started working on this problem in this thread, no one even
knew that your situation had been 'compounded' by the KDE Plasma DE
install 'on top of' your initial Gnome.

In my dabbling, I've never had your menu problem/condition, and to the
best of my recollection, I've never installed KDE 'over' Gnome.
However, I have read about it years ago in the days (more than a decade
ago) I was reading psychocats talking about KDE vs Gnome.

2012 https://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/kde How to install KDE on Ubuntu

Currently wayland is an 'advance' whose issues haven't yet been solved
enough to make it 'mainstream' -- distro/s like Mint stay away from
those 'problems' because they have other fish to fry at the present.

--
Mike Easter

On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 20:13:43 +0000, Rob H wrote:

> Thanks but after installing Cinnamon desktop, and rebooting, I still get
> the same login screen with that *!**!1 drop down menu. The only
> difference to it now is that Cinnamon ism added to the list.

Okay you still have the sdda display manager greeter selected. You need to
change it with the command

sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm3

select gdm3 from the list, then you can remove sddm with

sudo apt remove sddm
--
Jonathan
=========================
www.LittleWorksStudio.com

On 16/02/2023 22:10, Jonathan N Little wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 20:13:43 +0000, Rob H wrote:
>
>> Thanks but after installing Cinnamon desktop, and rebooting, I still get
>> the same login screen with that *!**!1 drop down menu. The only
>> difference to it now is that Cinnamon ism added to the list.
>
>
> Okay you still have the sdda display manager greeter selected. You need to
> change it with the command
>
> sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm3
>
> select gdm3 from the list, then you can remove sddm with
>
> sudo apt remove sddm
>

Brilliant, thanks!.

Automatic login is working again with no login screen.

Thank you