Am 27.12.2022 um 14:14:22 Uhr schrieb Yrrah:

> Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de>:
>
> > I just want to express why I switched my main desktop machine to
> > Debian yesterday.
>
> Isn't Linux Mint the better Ubuntu?

I haven't tried it out yet, but I am currently happy with Debian. Maybe
I will give Mint a try in the future.

Am 27.12.2022 um 08:16:09 Uhr schrieb Mike Easter:

> Yrrah wrote:
> > Isn't Linux Mint the better Ubuntu?
> > ;-)
>
> And a pretty nice Cinnamon Deb :-)

I prefer Motif Window Manager instead.

On 2022-12-27, bad sector <forgetski@invalid.org> wrote:
> On 27 Dec 2022 14:02:49 GMT, Kirk_Rockstein wrote:
>
>> On 2022-12-27, bad sector <forgetski@invalid.net> wrote:
>>> On 2022-12-26 12:08, Marco Moock wrote:
>>>> Am 25.12.2022 um 13:17:39 Uhr schrieb bad sector:
>>>>
>>>>> My UbuntuStudio install is on death-row also, one of the reasons
>>>>> being mandatory snaps, the other reason is that any distro that does
>>>>> not let me log in as (or su to)
>>>>> root is no longer one that I want to be associated with.
>>>>
>>>> You can log in as root, you only need to set a password for it.
>>>
>>> how do I do that beginning with sudo? If I try I get a prompt to
>>> change my user pwd, not root.
>>>
>> In a term/console if you run sudo -i are you now at a root prompt?(In
>> Ubuntu)
>
> I get a prompt for UserMe's password and THEN
> the root prompt

Yeah, sorry I didn't make that clear.

>> What happens when you run
>> passwd root
>> ??
>
> that worked, thanks
>
> I've never done this roundabout way before
>
> Now I just need to do su and then root password,
> same as on all (or almost all) my other distros
>
> Another thing I miss a lot on all but the Suse
> systems is the file-manager in root mode, it makes
> a lot of footwork unnecessary. But this is not
> an ubuntu issue, ONLY suse does it right.
>
>
>

Not sure I'm understanding your problem.

Can you use gksu,kdesu or run them from a root term?

gksu xfe
gksu gnome-commander
gksu nautilis
etc.

OR

kdesu konqueror
kdesu dolphin
kdesu krusader
etc.

On 12/27/22 16:36, Kirk_Rockstein wrote:
> On 2022-12-27, bad sector <forgetski@invalid.org> wrote:
>> On 27 Dec 2022 14:02:49 GMT, Kirk_Rockstein wrote:
>>
>>> On 2022-12-27, bad sector <forgetski@invalid.net> wrote:
>>>> On 2022-12-26 12:08, Marco Moock wrote:
>>>>> Am 25.12.2022 um 13:17:39 Uhr schrieb bad sector:
>>>>>
>>>>>> My UbuntuStudio install is on death-row also, one of the reasons
>>>>>> being mandatory snaps, the other reason is that any distro that does
>>>>>> not let me log in as (or su to)
>>>>>> root is no longer one that I want to be associated with.
>>>>>
>>>>> You can log in as root, you only need to set a password for it.
>>>>
>>>> how do I do that beginning with sudo? If I try I get a prompt to
>>>> change my user pwd, not root.
>>>>
>>> In a term/console if you run sudo -i are you now at a root prompt?(In
>>> Ubuntu)
>>
>> I get a prompt for UserMe's password and THEN
>> the root prompt
>
> Yeah, sorry I didn't make that clear.
>
>>> What happens when you run
>>> passwd root
>>> ??
>>
>> that worked, thanks
>>
>> I've never done this roundabout way before
>>
>> Now I just need to do su and then root password,
>> same as on all (or almost all) my other distros
>>
>> Another thing I miss a lot on all but the Suse
>> systems is the file-manager in root mode, it makes
>> a lot of footwork unnecessary. But this is not
>> an ubuntu issue, ONLY suse does it right.
>
> Not sure I'm understanding your problem.
>
> Can you use gksu,kdesu or run them from a root term?
>
> gksu xfe
> gksu gnome-commander
> gksu nautilis
> etc.
>
> OR
>
> kdesu konqueror
> kdesu dolphin
> kdesu krusader
> etc.

kdesu is not installed in my kde Ubuntu-Studio, haven't tried the other
one yet.

still I prefer the suse way of a super-u dolphin icon in the panel,
so maybe I can create a kde launcher that commands "kdesu dolphin" or
something along those lines, ditto for xfce

On Mon, 26 Dec 2022 18:09:10 +0100, Marco Moock wrote:

> True, but packages like chromium or firefox aren't available via apt
> anymore and there is no real reason for that.
> I assume Canonical wants to make users use snap.

According to people at Canonical I chatted with, the reason why Firefox is
a snap now is that Mozilla wanted it so (it’s Mozilla employees who
maintain those packages in Ubuntu, not Canonical employees), and thus it
wasn’t a Canonical decision.

But the snap-ed Firefox is still broken with issues that have been known
for over a year (even longer if you also consider that the same issue
already existed in the Chromium package too!), so I hold both Mozilla and
Canonical responsible for this ungoing fiasco: Mozilla for deciding to use
Snap prematurely, the other for allowing them to do it (it’s their distro
after all).

--
JanC

"Be strict when sending and tolerant when receiving."
RFC 1958 - Architectural Principles of the Internet - section 3.9

On 1/20/23 8:51 PM, JanC wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Dec 2022 18:09:10 +0100, Marco Moock wrote:
snipped....
> But the snap-ed Firefox is still broken with issues that have been known
....snipped

You don't have to settle. Here is a link to Install Firefox as a .deb

How to Install Firefox as a .Deb on Ubuntu 22.04 (Not a Snap)

https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/04/how-to-install-firefox-deb-apt-ubuntu-22-04

Am 21.01.2023 um 03:51:37 Uhr schrieb JanC:

> On Mon, 26 Dec 2022 18:09:10 +0100, Marco Moock wrote:
>
> > True, but packages like chromium or firefox aren't available via apt
> > anymore and there is no real reason for that.
> > I assume Canonical wants to make users use snap.
>
> According to people at Canonical I chatted with, the reason why
> Firefox is a snap now is that Mozilla wanted it so (it’s Mozilla
> employees who maintain those packages in Ubuntu, not Canonical
> employees), and thus it wasn’t a Canonical decision.

I can believe that Mozilla wants that (Mozilla already wanted many
nasty things), but the people at Canonical could create deb packages,
like Debian does.

> But the snap-ed Firefox is still broken with issues that have been
> known for over a year (even longer if you also consider that the same
> issue already existed in the Chromium package too!), so I hold both
> Mozilla and Canonical responsible for this ungoing fiasco: Mozilla
> for deciding to use Snap prematurely, the other for allowing them to
> do it (it’s their distro after all).

Other distros like Debian, Mint, Slackware etc. don't use snap by
default, the provide FF with their normal packaging system.

Am 20.01.2023 um 22:41:57 Uhr schrieb clinker:

> On 1/20/23 8:51 PM, JanC wrote:
> > On Mon, 26 Dec 2022 18:09:10 +0100, Marco Moock wrote:
> snipped....
> > But the snap-ed Firefox is still broken with issues that have been
> > known
> ...snipped
>
> You don't have to settle. Here is a link to Install Firefox as a .deb
>
> How to Install Firefox as a .Deb on Ubuntu 22.04 (Not a Snap)
> https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/04/how-to-install-firefox-deb-apt-ubuntu-22-04

That is already known, but I already replaced Ubuntu with Debian.

Marco Moock wrote:
> Am 21.01.2023 um 03:51:37 Uhr schrieb JanC:
>
>> On Mon, 26 Dec 2022 18:09:10 +0100, Marco Moock wrote:
>>
>>> True, but packages like chromium or firefox aren't available via apt
>>> anymore and there is no real reason for that.
>>> I assume Canonical wants to make users use snap.
>>
>> According to people at Canonical I chatted with, the reason why
>> Firefox is a snap now is that Mozilla wanted it so (it’s Mozilla
>> employees who maintain those packages in Ubuntu, not Canonical
>> employees), and thus it wasn’t a Canonical decision.
>
> I can believe that Mozilla wants that (Mozilla already wanted many
> nasty things), but the people at Canonical could create deb packages,
> like Debian does.
>
>> But the snap-ed Firefox is still broken with issues that have been
>> known for over a year (even longer if you also consider that the same
>> issue already existed in the Chromium package too!), so I hold both
>> Mozilla and Canonical responsible for this ungoing fiasco: Mozilla
>> for deciding to use Snap prematurely, the other for allowing them to
>> do it (it’s their distro after all).
>
> Other distros like Debian, Mint, Slackware etc. don't use snap by
> default, the provide FF with their normal packaging system.
>
Linux Mint signs a partnership with Mozilla – The Linux Mint Blog
https://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=4244

"Firefox will continue to be distributed as .deb packages through the
official Linux Mint repositories. Its configuration and the way it is
built is changing to make the Linux Mint version of Firefox much more
similar (almost identical in fact) to the version which is distributed
by Mozilla."

"For Mozilla, the goal is to make Firefox work the same way across all
platforms to ease maintenance and simplify development and bug fixing.
With these changes Firefox will give the same experience in Linux Mint
as it does in other operating systems."

Am 21.01.2023 um 13:32:01 Uhr schrieb Andrei Z.:

> Marco Moock wrote:
> > Am 21.01.2023 um 03:51:37 Uhr schrieb JanC:
> >
> >> On Mon, 26 Dec 2022 18:09:10 +0100, Marco Moock wrote:
> >>
> >>> True, but packages like chromium or firefox aren't available via
> >>> apt anymore and there is no real reason for that.
> >>> I assume Canonical wants to make users use snap.
> >>
> >> According to people at Canonical I chatted with, the reason why
> >> Firefox is a snap now is that Mozilla wanted it so (it’s Mozilla
> >> employees who maintain those packages in Ubuntu, not Canonical
> >> employees), and thus it wasn’t a Canonical decision.
> >
> > I can believe that Mozilla wants that (Mozilla already wanted many
> > nasty things), but the people at Canonical could create deb
> > packages, like Debian does.
> >
> >> But the snap-ed Firefox is still broken with issues that have been
> >> known for over a year (even longer if you also consider that the
> >> same issue already existed in the Chromium package too!), so I
> >> hold both Mozilla and Canonical responsible for this ungoing
> >> fiasco: Mozilla for deciding to use Snap prematurely, the other
> >> for allowing them to do it (it’s their distro after all).
> >
> > Other distros like Debian, Mint, Slackware etc. don't use snap by
> > default, the provide FF with their normal packaging system.
> >
> Linux Mint signs a partnership with Mozilla – The Linux Mint Blog
> https://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=4244

For what do they need that?

> "Firefox will continue to be distributed as .deb packages through the
> official Linux Mint repositories. Its configuration and the way it is
> built is changing to make the Linux Mint version of Firefox much more
> similar (almost identical in fact) to the version which is
> distributed by Mozilla."

Mozilla could just provide instructions how to build it in they way
they like it. Then every distribution could do that - without an
agreement between them.