Anyone using this? I have it on a pen drive and it looks good.

https://endeavouros.com

On 10/3/22 18:11, Dr. Noah Bodie wrote:
> Anyone using this?

Nope; nobody!

Also, based on Arch. This is an Ubuntu group.
Fixed the subject heading for you. You're welcome.

On 10/03/2022 11:01 PM, stepore wrote:
> On 10/3/22 18:11, Dr. Noah Bodie wrote:
>> Anyone using this?

> Nope; nobody!
>
> Also, based on Arch. This is an Ubuntu group.
> Fixed the subject heading for you. You're welcome.

ok, buntu only.

On 04/10/2022 03:01, stepore wrote:
> On 10/3/22 18:11, Dr. Noah Bodie wrote:
>> Anyone using this?
>
> Nope; nobody!
>
> Also, based on Arch. This is an Ubuntu group.
> Fixed the subject heading for you. You're welcome.

Another little fix for the Subject... ;-)

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Dr. Noah Bodie wrote:
> Anyone using this? I have it on a pen drive and it looks good.
>
> https://endeavouros.com

XFCE over Arch.

Jesse Smith reviewed it for the feature DW in Jul; and he also put the
'21 release on his list of 'remarkable' distro/s of 2021.

There are 352 user reviews at DW avg 8.6, based on a 'curious'
distribution of scores largely in the 9 & 10 taken down by the lower
number of 1-5/s.

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On 10/4/22 03:11, Dr. Noah Bodie wrote:
> Anyone using this? I have it on a pen drive and it looks good.
>
> https://endeavouros.com

Great, always good to see some linux lunatic who
invents a wheel again.
After all we never can have enough incompatible
releases or enough useless work.

Edmund

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Edmund wrote:
> Great, always good to see some linux lunatic who invents a wheel
> again. After all we never can have enough incompatible releases or
> enough useless work.

Most linux users don't agree w/ your point of view about there being too
many distributions, too much choice in desktops, or too little
compatibility between the packaging.

There is a solution to your 'problem'; select a base and a desktop
(compare that to selecting Win or Mac) and 'stick w/' that selection and
'ignore' all of the other varieties.

I recently saw this statement in an article by a writer arguing against
the inclusion of Rust as an element in linux kernel dev:

> Linux has consistently enjoyed a tremendous amount of attention from
> the software development community. This week’s release of Linux 6.0,
> one of the largest Linux releases ever, boasted more than 78,000
> commits by almost 5,000 different authors since 5.15. Linux has a
> broad developer base reaching from many different industry
> stakeholders and independent contributors working on the careful
> development and maintenance of its hundreds of subsystems. The scale
> of Linux development is on a level unmatched by any other software
> project — free software or otherwise.

There's a *reason* linux attracts all of that dev.

And Endeavor isn't reinventing the wheel. Arch is a great base; XFCE is
a fine desktop, EOS is a good distro.

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On 04/10/2022 17:07, Mike Easter wrote:
> Edmund wrote:
>> Great, always good to see some linux lunatic who invents a wheel
>> again. After all we never can have enough incompatible releases or
>> enough useless work.
>

and stop worrying about compatability issues - Java is going to fix all that

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Abandoned_Trolley wrote:
> and stop worrying about compatability issues - Java is going to fix all
> that

How do you figure that? Or is that a 'joke' (facetious)?

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On 10/4/22 09:28, Mike Easter wrote:
> Abandoned_Trolley wrote:
>> and stop worrying about compatability issues - Java is going to fix
>> all that
>
> How do you figure that?  Or is that a 'joke' (facetious)?
>
Back in the day, JAVA was advertised in that way. Of course it did not
and before long people were complaining of its security problems.

So AB is being somewhat ironic.

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On 10/04/2022 10:57 AM, Jeff Layman wrote:
> On 04/10/2022 03:01, stepore wrote:
>> On 10/3/22 18:11, Dr. Noah Bodie wrote:
>>> Anyone using this?
>>
>> Nope; nobody!
>>
>> Also, based on Arch. This is an Ubuntu group.
>> Fixed the subject heading for you. You're welcome.

> Another little fix for the Subject... ;-)

:-D :-D :-D

On 10/04/2022 12:54 PM, Edmund wrote:
> On 10/4/22 03:11, Dr. Noah Bodie wrote:
>> Anyone using this? I have it on a pen drive and it looks good.
>>
>> https://endeavouros.com

> Great, always good to see some linux lunatic who invents a wheel again.
> After all we never can have enough incompatible releases or enough useless work.
>
> Edmund

Ha! Someone posted it in a Ubuntu forum so I thot it was based on buntu.
If I'd known sooner it's Arch-based I would not have bothered with it.

Thnx for the feedback, guys. As you were. :-D

On 04/10/2022 02:11, Dr. Noah Bodie wrote:
> Anyone using this? I have it on a pen drive and it looks good.
>
> https://endeavouros.com

Looks good in what ways? Does it do anything different from Ubuntu or
Mint?

I am not using it ant I haven't downloaded it either but I'm assuming it
can run firefox or chrome and thunderbird which Ubuntu and Mint does but
this alone is not going to tempt me. With everything there must be a
reason to use it.

On 10/4/22 18:07, Mike Easter wrote:
> Edmund wrote:
>> Great, always good to see some linux lunatic who invents a wheel
>> again. After all we never can have enough incompatible releases or
>> enough useless work.
>
> Most linux users don't agree w/ your point of view about there being too
> many distributions, too much choice in desktops, or too little
> compatibility between the packaging.

Sure and precisely that brought us in the chaos we are in today.

>
> There is a solution to your 'problem';

What "problem" are you making up that I should have?

> select a base and a desktop
> (compare that to selecting Win or Mac) and 'stick w/' that selection and
> 'ignore' all of the other varieties.

Hmm that would be like Linus Torvalds does isn't it,
well guess what? :-)
>
> I recently saw this statement in an article by a writer arguing against
> the inclusion of Rust as an element in linux kernel dev:
>
>> Linux has consistently enjoyed a tremendous amount of attention from
>> the software development community. This week’s release of Linux 6.0,
>> one of the largest Linux releases ever, boasted more than 78,000
>> commits by almost 5,000 different authors since 5.15. Linux has a
>> broad developer base reaching from many different industry
>> stakeholders and independent contributors working on the careful
>> development and maintenance of its hundreds of subsystems. The scale
>> of Linux development is on a level unmatched by any other software
>> project — free software or otherwise.
>
> There's a *reason* linux attracts all of that dev.

I'm sure there is.
>
> And Endeavor isn't reinventing the wheel.  Arch is a great base; XFCE is a fine desktop, EOS is a good distro.

So? what is it your trying to say, in the current zillion releases
there are no good ones yet?

No doubt then, this one will be the last LOL.

Edmund

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On 10/04/2022 08:41 PM, Albert Arkwright wrote:
> On 04/10/2022 02:11, Dr. Noah Bodie wrote:
>> Anyone using this? I have it on a pen drive and it looks good.
>>
>> https://endeavouros.com
>
> Looks good in what ways? Does it do anything different from Ubuntu or
> Mint?
>
> I am not using it ant I haven't downloaded it either but I'm assuming it
> can run firefox or chrome and thunderbird which Ubuntu and Mint does but
> this alone is not going to tempt me. With everything there must be a
> reason to use it.

Forget it. It's not based on buntu.

Dr. Noah Bodie wrote:
> Forget it. It's not based on buntu.

Why are you suggesting that if a distro isn't based on 'buntu that it
isn't 'a good idea' (or something)?

I think 'buntu is a very good base off Debian's base, but it isn't the
'end-all' base that Edmund seems to think linux should have.

Maybe 'buntu is an improvement of some kind over its parent Debian or
maybe not.

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Edmund wrote:
> Mike Easter wrote:
>
>> select a base and a desktop (compare that to selecting Win or Mac)
>> and 'stick w/' that selection and 'ignore' all of the other
>> varieties.
>
> Hmm that would be like Linus Torvalds does isn't it,

That would be RedHat's Fedora Gnome, even 'tho' he doesn't like gnome
much. I like gnome much less. But choosing to go w/ RedHat instead of
Canonical isn't such a bad idea for someone. But, that would be the
concept of choosing a/one base and sticking w/ it like Mac or Win.
Personally I like there being lots of choices, and I prefer Mint's
version of using a 'buntu base over 'buntu's.

> well guess what? :-)
>>
What?

I also read that LT uses the M2 MacBook Air w/ his distro when he
travels. I don't know how many other linux users are following in his
footsteps on that.

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On 10/3/22 9:11 PM, Dr. Noah Bodie wrote:
> Anyone using this? I have it on a pen drive and it looks good.
>
> https://endeavouros.com

Put on my Ventoy and it failed to boot.

On 10/5/22 06:59, Mike Easter wrote:
> Maybe 'buntu is an improvement of some kind over its parent Debian or
> maybe not.

It is. Of course it is. But it also does some stupid things that make me
glad that Debian is still good ol' Debian. Thank the gods we have choice.

On Wed, 5 Oct 2022 19:13:16 -0700, stepore wrote:

> On 10/5/22 06:59, Mike Easter wrote:
>> Maybe 'buntu is an improvement of some kind over its parent
>> Debian or maybe not.
>
> It is. Of course it is. But it also does some stupid things that
> make me glad that Debian is still good ol' Debian. Thank the gods
> we have choice.

Stupid things, such as?
And there are a few distros which are close to the parent Debian,
but with some usability improvements (SolydX, SpiralLinux,...)

On 10/5/22 16:15, Mike Easter wrote:
> Edmund wrote:
>> Mike Easter wrote:
>>
>>> select a base and a desktop (compare that to selecting Win or Mac)
>>> and 'stick w/' that selection and 'ignore' all of the other
>>> varieties.
>>
>> Hmm that would be like Linus Torvalds does isn't it,
>
> That would be RedHat's Fedora Gnome, even 'tho' he doesn't like gnome
> much.  I like gnome much less.  But choosing to go w/ RedHat instead of
> Canonical isn't such a bad idea for someone.  But, that would be the
> concept of choosing a/one base and sticking w/ it like Mac or Win.
> Personally I like there being lots of choices, and I prefer Mint's
> version of using a 'buntu base over 'buntu's.
>
>> well guess what? :-)
>>>
> What?

take a guess.
>
> I also read that LT uses the M2 MacBook Air w/ his distro when he
> travels.  I don't know how many other linux users are following in his
> footsteps on that.

Who cares?

On 10/6/22 04:19, mechanic wrote:
> Stupid things, such as?

Some are politics I don't agree with and don't like discussing politics
publicly.
Some are poor leadership decisions by Mark, again I don't agree with.

Some are technical things, like Snaps. I think they're a fine decision
technically and have no problem with them as optional, but when they're
actively removing packages like Firefox and replacing with snaps, it's a
garbage decision. I rue the day when not only other major packages are
replaced with snaps but even base system packages too. To the point
where snaps will be dependent upon and removing them won't be an option.
At that point, I'm out!

> And there are a few distros which are close to the parent Debian,
> but with some usability improvements (SolydX, SpiralLinux,...)

I'm well aware of all the distros. I'll stick with Debian if/when Ubuntu
jumps the shark.

stepore wrote:
> mechanic wrote:
>> Stupid things, such as?
>
(I think) stepore should've left enough previous context such as:

---------------------
stepore wrote:
> Mike Easter wrote:
>> Maybe 'buntu is an improvement of some kind over its parent Debian
>> or maybe not.
>
> It is. Of course it is. But it also does some stupid things that make
> me glad that Debian is still good ol' Debian. Thank the gods we have
> choice.---------------------

> Some are politics I don't agree with and don't like discussing politics
> publicly.
> Some are poor leadership decisions by Mark, again I don't agree with.
>
> Some are technical things, like Snaps. I think they're a fine decision
> technically and have no problem with them as optional, but when they're
> actively removing packages like Firefox and replacing with snaps, it's a
> garbage decision. I rue the day when not only other major packages are
> replaced with snaps but even base system packages too. To the point
> where snaps will be dependent upon and removing them won't be an option.
> At that point, I'm out!
>
>> And there are a few distros which are close to the parent Debian,
>> but with some usability improvements (SolydX, SpiralLinux,...)
>
> I'm well aware of all the distros. I'll stick with Debian if/when Ubuntu
> jumps the shark.

Some of the appeal of Mint to me is that it takes what is good about
basing on 'buntu and its Debian-derived 'ub' repo/s and improving on the
UI w/ its tweaked/forked DEs, particularly the Cinnamon fork, and
eliminating 'buntu bad decisions like default Snaps and adding some
useful Mint apps and dev.

To me, the 'buntu derived flagship Mint Cinnamon is clearly better than
flagship Ubuntu Gnome because of those differences, and I find Neon's
KDE a better 'buntu than Kubuntu.

Mint is also 'looking after' the day when it might 'have to' go Deb
because of its 'differences' w/ 'buntu decisions; ie LMDE, Debian in a
Mint suit.

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Dr. Noah Bodie wrote:
> Anyone using this? I have it on a pen drive and it looks good.
>
> https://endeavouros.com

Tinkering w/ EOS.

It is a huge departure from a 'conventional' Mint/Ubuntu UI or even a
'similar' (XFCE over Arch) Manjaro xfce.

The endeavour 'people' (support, such as dev/s and supporters in E
forum) expect the user to 'get with' using the command line to do things
which includes solving problems. It is NOT a beginner distro, as Jesse
Smith's review says.

Take the business of there not being a graphical package manager and
follow that up with trying to install a graphical package manager.

In such as ubuntu, if you don't like the default software manager, which
I don't, it is simple to install such as synaptic from the software
manager or the command line.

Not so to 'simply' install pamac in E; you have yay & pacman by default,
but you aren't there at all. You need to get command educated first.

I would have to do a lot of 'studying' to use E, and the
command-line-only types in the community aren't very friendly to those
who aren't -- it seems to me.

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Mike Easter

On 07/10/2022 13:10, Mike Easter wrote:
> stepore wrote:
>> mechanic wrote:
>>> Stupid things, such as?
>>
> (I think) stepore should've left enough previous context such as:
>
> ---------------------
> stepore wrote:
>> Mike Easter wrote:
>>> Maybe 'buntu is an improvement of some kind over its parent Debian
>>> or maybe not.
>>
>> It is. Of course it is. But it also does some stupid things that make
>> me glad that Debian is still good ol' Debian. Thank the gods we have
>> choice.---------------------
>
>> Some are politics I don't agree with and don't like discussing politics publicly.
>> Some are poor leadership decisions by Mark, again I don't agree with.
>>
>> Some are technical things, like Snaps. I think they're a fine decision technically and have no problem with them as
>> optional, but when they're actively removing packages like Firefox and replacing with snaps, it's a garbage decision.
>> I rue the day when not only other major packages are replaced with snaps but even base system packages too. To the
>> point where snaps will be dependent upon and removing them won't be an option. At that point, I'm out!
>>
>>> And there are a few distros which are close to the parent Debian,
>>> but with some usability improvements (SolydX, SpiralLinux,...)
>>
>> I'm well aware of all the distros. I'll stick with Debian if/when Ubuntu jumps the shark.
>
> Some of the appeal of Mint to me is that it takes what is good about basing on 'buntu and its Debian-derived 'ub' repo/s
> and improving on the UI w/ its tweaked/forked DEs, particularly the Cinnamon fork, and eliminating 'buntu bad decisions
> like default Snaps and adding some useful Mint apps and dev.
>
> To me, the 'buntu derived flagship Mint Cinnamon is clearly better than flagship Ubuntu Gnome because of those
> differences, and I find Neon's KDE a better 'buntu than Kubuntu.
>
> Mint is also 'looking after' the day when it might 'have to' go Deb because of its 'differences' w/ 'buntu decisions; ie
> LMDE, Debian in a Mint suit.
>

Personally, coming from a background of command-line oriented OSs (some RT11, RSTS, VMS) I tend to prefer the
convenience of GNOME CLI, terminals that emulate VT<whatever>. (dons asbestos underwear...)
Also, is Mint systemd-free? (I'm not near a place where I can install to try, at the momont, and too lazy to go a long
way 'round)

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