On 12/20/2023 1:40 PM, Andy Burns wrote:
> Retirednoguilt wrote:
>
>> Where do I need to look for the "cloud" it because all I see in your
>> screen capture images and on my monitor are the check marks.
>
> The cloud and the new message appear immediately to the left of the
> [...] within the Folder Pane Header

Thanks for that. I finally found it. I think I also found a reason why
I haven't been able to configure folder numbers to behave the way I
prefer. I tried the "repair folder" option within the properties
section of the folder and it wiped out all those old ghost numbers that
never seemed to change. I think I've got things set now so I can tell
if there are new messages without having to manually "get messages".
The number count stays at zero when I have the filter set to view
"unread messages" and I don't have any. If I do, there's a number visible.

Frequently heard lament, which I share: This program is a great toy for
code writers and others who enjoy tinkering under the hood of programs.
I want a free, safe program geared towards the end user. I'd never be
able to keep my food cold in a fridge if I had to configure the
compressor, thermostats, refrigerant pressure, timers, etc. And it seems
every time I get TB at least most of the way I want to use it, a new
version is issued that requires restarting the process again. I continue
to install the updates because I value the security fixes and updates.
If it weren't for that, I'd stay with an older version.

On 12/20/2023 1:34 PM, Dave Royal wrote:
> On 20 Dec 2023 11:34:39 -0500 Retirednoguilt wrote:
>
>> Oh, and to clarify, everything I've written pertains to USENet group
>> folders and not to any e-mail folders.
>
> The OP's question, and my answer, was for email.
>
>

Huh? I've never seen any numbers next to my e-mail folders. I'm happy
about that. I'm glad that I don't. Never wanted to. But why have a
feature for some folders in the folder pane but not others?

On 12/20/2023 2:18 PM, Big Al wrote:
> On 12/20/23 01:12 PM, Retirednoguilt wrote:
>> On 12/20/2023 12:01 PM, Big Al wrote:
>>> On 12/20/23 11:34 AM, Retirednoguilt wrote:
>>>> On 12/19/2023 11:24 AM, Big Al wrote:
>>>>> On 12/19/23 11:07 AM, this is what Retirednoguilt wrote:
>>>>>> On 12/19/2023 10:10 AM, Serdu wrote:
>>>>>>> On 19-Dec-2023 09:26, Big Al wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 12/19/23 07:49 AM, this is what Serdu wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 19-Dec-2023 05:15, Dave Royal wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 19 Dec 2023 09:17:09 +0000 (GMT) News wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Good day one an all, I have a question that is actually about
>>>>>>>>>>> Thunderbird.
>>>>>>>>>>> ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm using 115.5.2 On Win 10 Pro and it is mostly configured how I
>>>>>>>>>>> like it.
>>>>>>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In the left hand side of Tb I have a folder pane with all the
>>>>>>>>>>> accounts and
>>>>>>>>>>> folders displayed.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'll use the Inbox for my question...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Account name
>>>>>>>>>>> ------------
>>>>>>>>>>> Inbox
>>>>>>>>>>> Drafts
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent
>>>>>>>>>>> Archives
>>>>>>>>>>> Junk
>>>>>>>>>>> Deleted
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Another Account name
>>>>>>>>>>> Etc...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> When the Inbox has new unread mail in it, the display is annotated
>>>>>>>>>>> to show
>>>>>>>>>>> how many unread mails there are.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Inbox     4
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But when the mails have been read the numeric annotation vanishes even
>>>>>>>>>>> though the now read mails are still within the Inbox.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Is there an About:Config setting that can be adjusted to also show how
>>>>>>>>>>> many mails are in the Inbox at all times?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>> D.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Nb: I'm sure back in the days it did show the numbers...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> To the right of the account name I have a 3-dot menu with 'Show total
>>>>>>>>>> nessage count'.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No such thing as a 3-dot menu on my Win10 TB 115.5.2
>>>>>>>>> It remember TB showing numbers of  Unread: and Total: on the right
>>>>>>>>> side of Status Bar which it still  show on Betterbird.
>>>>>>>>> Is this another useful info being removed from TB?
>>>>>>>> It's to the right of the "New Message" button.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't have a "New Message button" but I have a "Get Messages".
>>>>>>> I can't find anywhere a "New Message" button not even in the Customize
>>>>>>> Options.
>>>>>>> Anyway it's no problem for me I hit F5 for new messages but just for
>>>>>>> curiosity I still would like to know where that new message button is. :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My 3 horizontal dots are at the right edge of the folder pane header,
>>>>>> which is just above the vertical list of email folder and USENET group
>>>>>> folders. Clicking on the dots provides a list of options that don't seem
>>>>>> change any TB behavior that I can detect with respect to displaying or
>>>>>> not displaying any information. Makes a nice ornament however.
>>>>>
>>>>> What? You don't see the 4 items you can show and 1 option to hide local folders?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As I said, "Clicking on the dots provides a list of options that don't
>>>> seem change any TB behavior that I can detect with respect to displaying
>>>> or not displaying any information." I didn't enumerate the list of
>>>> options. Yes, they are the 4 items you mention and an option to hide
>>>> local folders. None of the 4 options provides a "get messages" button
>>>> and none of them change the fact that the number displayed to the right
>>>> of the folder always represents the total number of messages I've
>>>> accumulated in that folder regardless of any permutation of the 4
>>>> options.
>>> By default, without turning on those numbers which shows ALL messages, the count of unread messages shows.
>>> https://postimg.cc/yJxnrHpN
>>>
>>> And the 3 buttons will show this
>>> https://postimg.cc/B8zprVRB
>>>
>>> And I circled the two check marks that produce a "GET" button (it's a cloud and hard to see) and a NEW MESSAGE buton.
>>>
>>> I can't get rid of the number without deleting messages from
>>>> the folder. I don't care how many I've got; I don't need to see that
>>>> number. I'd rather see how many new unread messages are there before I
>>>> expand the folder to see if there are any new ones. It would save the
>>>> time of having to click on each folder to see if there are new messages.
>>>> Oh, and to clarify, everything I've written pertains to USENet group
>>>> folders and not to any e-mail folders.
>>>
>>
>> Where do I need to look for the "cloud" it because all I see in your
>> screen capture images and on my monitor are the check marks. And, even
>> with no options checked, I continue to see the number representing the
>> total number of of messages. If I check only the "Show New Message"
>> option, nothing changes. No matter which options I check, separately
>> and/or in combination, nothing changes. The only thing that has an
>> effect is the "Hide Folder Pane Header" option.
> Unhide the folder pane header! That's where those two icons "get messages" "new message" will show.
>

I see that now. Why didn't someone say that earlier? This program
reminds me of a high security door on a walk-in safe. Twelve different
dials, each with 100 numbers, and combinations of between 2 and 4
rotations, some clockwise and some counter-clockwise. You've got to get
everything precisely correct or the door won't open. No fun for the
person who's not a software engineer; I'm just trying to get by as an
end user.

On Thu, 21 Dec 2023 13:42:20 -0500, Retirednoguilt
<HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:

>On 12/20/2023 2:18 PM, Big Al wrote:

<snippers>

>> Unhide the folder pane header! That's where those two icons "get messages" "new message" will show.
>>
>
>I see that now. Why didn't someone say that earlier?

Andy Burns did, two days ago.

On 12/21/2023 1:49 PM, Nobody wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Dec 2023 13:42:20 -0500, Retirednoguilt
> <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>
>> On 12/20/2023 2:18 PM, Big Al wrote:
>
> <snippers>
>
>>> Unhide the folder pane header! That's where those two icons "get messages" "new message" will show.
>>>
>>
>> I see that now. Why didn't someone say that earlier?
>
> Andy Burns did, two days ago.

Sorry, I must have missed that. The thread has become somewhat long
(and I admit, I've contributed to that fact.)

In article <um20ue$15vbq$4@dont-email.me>,
Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
[Snippy]
> No fun for the person who's not a software engineer; I'm just trying to
> get by as an end user.

Mmnnn! But that's the point of having a NG like this.
In this instance, it's a place where particularly folks who are not
software engineers or computerate can ask pertinent questions and
hopefully get some useful advice, as was my case when I originally asked
the Numeric question.

:-)

D.

On 12/21/2023 4:15 PM, News wrote:
> In article <um20ue$15vbq$4@dont-email.me>,
> Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
> [Snippy]
>> No fun for the person who's not a software engineer; I'm just trying to
>> get by as an end user.
>
> Mmnnn! But that's the point of having a NG like this.
> In this instance, it's a place where particularly folks who are not
> software engineers or computerate can ask pertinent questions and
> hopefully get some useful advice, as was my case when I originally asked
> the Numeric question.
>
> :-)
>
> D.
>

I should have said it as part of an early posting to this thread but
I'll say it now. I sincerely appreciate the fact that no one threw dirt
in my face or trolled me when I broadcast my frustrations at not being
able to find or follow the suggestions. Quite a refreshing change from
what goes on in some other news groups. Thanks to all who replied to my
posts in this thread.