Looks like my Logitech G-810 keyboard might be about to fail. I
am getting increasing problems with the space bar - either no
space, or a double space. :-(

It is a gaming keyboard,(1) and is otherwise pretty good. I
guess it doesn't enjoy the duty of a space bar browsing usenet.

I want a full-size RGB-illuminated wired keyboard, with media
keys. Any suggestions?

(1) I don't do gaming, but it seems that is the way to get the
spec I want.

Chris
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On 17/08/2022 15:12, Chris J Dixon wrote:
> Looks like my Logitech G-810 keyboard might be about to fail. I
> am getting increasing problems with the space bar - either no
> space, or a double space. :-(
>
> It is a gaming keyboard,(1) and is otherwise pretty good. I
> guess it doesn't enjoy the duty of a space bar browsing usenet.

You can get replacement key switches. IIRC the Logitech ones used their
own brans switches rather than Cheery etc.

E.g. first ones on a search:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Mechanical-Keyboard-Switches-Compatible-Keyboards/dp/B08YXFWX4T
> I want a full-size RGB-illuminated wired keyboard, with media
> keys. Any suggestions?
>
> (1) I don't do gaming, but it seems that is the way to get the
> spec I want.
>
> Chris

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On 17/08/2022 15:12, Chris J Dixon wrote:
> Looks like my Logitech G-810 keyboard might be about to fail. I
> am getting increasing problems with the space bar - either no
> space, or a double space. :-(
>
> It is a gaming keyboard,(1) and is otherwise pretty good. I
> guess it doesn't enjoy the duty of a space bar browsing usenet.
>
> I want a full-size RGB-illuminated wired keyboard, with media
> keys. Any suggestions?
>
> (1) I don't do gaming, but it seems that is the way to get the
> spec I want.
Chris

I assume this is for a Windows machine. FYI I have a Linux Mint laptop
(the machine could be used for gaming), and although I can get the keys
illuminated in blue, I can't get the full spectrum of colours. I would
need to run Windows to do that.

--

Jeff

On 17/08/2022 15:25, John Rumm wrote:
> On 17/08/2022 15:12, Chris J Dixon wrote:
>> Looks like my Logitech G-810 keyboard might be about to fail. I
>> am getting increasing problems with the space bar -  either no
>> space, or a double space.  :-(
>>
>> It is a gaming keyboard,(1)  and is otherwise pretty good. I
>> guess it doesn't enjoy the duty of a space bar browsing usenet.
>
> You can get replacement key switches. IIRC the Logitech ones used their
> own brans switches rather than Cheery etc.

It may also be worth spraying switch contact cleaner and lubricant into
the switch and working it a number of times. That may remove any crud
that has built up, clean the contacts and mechanism and evaporate
rapidly leaving a lubricant behind.

On 17/08/2022 15:12, Chris J Dixon wrote:
> Logitech G-810 keyboard

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Mechanical-Keyboard-Switches-Logitech-Keyboards/dp/B07V4717S4

Just replace the switch
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On Wed, 17 Aug 2022 15:56:03 +0100, Jeff Layman wrote:

> On 17/08/2022 15:12, Chris J Dixon wrote:
>> Looks like my Logitech G-810 keyboard might be about to fail. I am
>> getting increasing problems with the space bar - either no space, or a
>> double space. :-(
>>
>> It is a gaming keyboard,(1) and is otherwise pretty good. I guess it
>> doesn't enjoy the duty of a space bar browsing usenet.
>>
>> I want a full-size RGB-illuminated wired keyboard, with media keys.
>> Any suggestions?
>>
>> (1) I don't do gaming, but it seems that is the way to get the spec I
>> want.
> Chris
>
> I assume this is for a Windows machine. FYI I have a Linux Mint laptop
> (the machine could be used for gaming), and although I can get the keys
> illuminated in blue, I can't get the full spectrum of colours. I would
> need to run Windows to do that.

I have my laptop dual bootable with either Win10 2019 server or Ubuntu
22.04. When in Ubuntu mode it leaves the Fn key illuminated.

On 17/08/2022 16:04, SteveW wrote:
> On 17/08/2022 15:25, John Rumm wrote:
>> On 17/08/2022 15:12, Chris J Dixon wrote:
>>> Looks like my Logitech G-810 keyboard might be about to fail. I
>>> am getting increasing problems with the space bar -  either no
>>> space, or a double space.  :-(
>>>
>>> It is a gaming keyboard,(1)  and is otherwise pretty good. I
>>> guess it doesn't enjoy the duty of a space bar browsing usenet.
>>
>> You can get replacement key switches. IIRC the Logitech ones used
>> their own brans switches rather than Cheery etc.
>
> It may also be worth spraying switch contact cleaner and lubricant into
> the switch and working it a number of times. That may remove any crud
> that has built up, clean the contacts and mechanism and evaporate
> rapidly leaving a lubricant behind.

Yup, good idea!

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John.

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Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> writes:

> On 17/08/2022 15:12, Chris J Dixon wrote:
>> Looks like my Logitech G-810 keyboard might be about to fail. I
>> am getting increasing problems with the space bar - either no
>> space, or a double space. :-(
>> It is a gaming keyboard,(1) and is otherwise pretty good. I
>> guess it doesn't enjoy the duty of a space bar browsing usenet.
>> I want a full-size RGB-illuminated wired keyboard, with media
>> keys. Any suggestions?
>> (1) I don't do gaming, but it seems that is the way to get the
>> spec I want.
> Chris
>
> I assume this is for a Windows machine. FYI I have a Linux Mint laptop
> (the machine could be used for gaming), and although I can get the
> keys illuminated in blue, I can't get the full spectrum of colours. I
> would need to run Windows to do that.

I have a Logitech G810.
There are multiple open source packages that allow you to control
keyboard LEDs. I'm using G810-LED. Windows is not needed.

--
Dan Espen

On 17/08/2022 20:05, Dan Espen wrote:
> Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> writes:
>
>> On 17/08/2022 15:12, Chris J Dixon wrote:
>>> Looks like my Logitech G-810 keyboard might be about to fail. I
>>> am getting increasing problems with the space bar - either no
>>> space, or a double space. :-(
>>> It is a gaming keyboard,(1) and is otherwise pretty good. I
>>> guess it doesn't enjoy the duty of a space bar browsing usenet.
>>> I want a full-size RGB-illuminated wired keyboard, with media
>>> keys. Any suggestions?
>>> (1) I don't do gaming, but it seems that is the way to get the
>>> spec I want.
>> Chris
>>
>> I assume this is for a Windows machine. FYI I have a Linux Mint laptop
>> (the machine could be used for gaming), and although I can get the
>> keys illuminated in blue, I can't get the full spectrum of colours. I
>> would need to run Windows to do that.
>
> I have a Logitech G810.
> There are multiple open source packages that allow you to control
> keyboard LEDs. I'm using G810-LED. Windows is not needed.

Yep. The G810 driver is available from the Mint repo, but I have a
built-in keyboard on my Clevo laptop. I've just checked again (I've had
the laptop almost 8 years), and there are now LED drivers for it. Long
thread here: <https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=287190>.
There was a bit of an issue when new kernels appeared!

--

Jeff

On 17/08/2022 15:12, Chris J Dixon wrote:
> Looks like my Logitech G-810 keyboard might be about to fail. I
> am getting increasing problems with the space bar - either no
> space, or a double space. :-(
>
> It is a gaming keyboard,(1) and is otherwise pretty good. I
> guess it doesn't enjoy the duty of a space bar browsing usenet.

The space bar gets used a lot in gaming. It is conveniently under the
left thumb when using WASD keys to move an avatar.

> I want a full-size RGB-illuminated wired keyboard,

I've never seen the point of illuminated keyboards.

with media
> keys. Any suggestions?
>
> (1) I don't do gaming, but it seems that is the way to get the
> spec I want.
>
> Chris

--
Colin Bignell

On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 19:03:36 +1000, Colin Bignell
<cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:

> On 17/08/2022 15:12, Chris J Dixon wrote:
>> Looks like my Logitech G-810 keyboard might be about to fail. I
>> am getting increasing problems with the space bar - either no
>> space, or a double space. :-(
>> It is a gaming keyboard,(1) and is otherwise pretty good. I
>> guess it doesn't enjoy the duty of a space bar browsing usenet.
>
> The space bar gets used a lot in gaming. It is conveniently under the
> left thumb when using WASD keys to move an avatar.
>
>> I want a full-size RGB-illuminated wired keyboard,
>
> I've never seen the point of illuminated keyboards.

I choose to have one because I computer from a deep armchair
with my feet up with the mouse running around on a old recipe
book cover on my lap with the keyboard under the screens to
the left of me when I am only typing not much text. It isnt that
light under there in some situations and the illumination helps.

The other massive advantage of illuminated keyboards is that they
have to be double injection moulded and so the letters never wear off.

> with media
>> keys. Any suggestions?
>> (1) I don't do gaming, but it seems that is the way to get the
>> spec I want.
>> Chris
>

On 18/08/2022 10:38, Rod Speed wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 19:03:36 +1000, Colin Bignell
> <cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 17/08/2022 15:12, Chris J Dixon wrote:
>>> Looks like my Logitech G-810 keyboard might be about to fail. I
>>> am getting increasing problems with the space bar -  either no
>>> space, or a double space.  :-(
>>>  It is a gaming keyboard,(1)  and is otherwise pretty good. I
>>> guess it doesn't enjoy the duty of a space bar browsing usenet.
>>
>> The space bar gets used a lot in gaming. It is conveniently under the
>> left thumb when using WASD keys to move an avatar.
>>
>>> I want a full-size RGB-illuminated wired keyboard,
>>
>> I've never seen the point of illuminated keyboards.
>
> I choose to have one because I computer from a deep armchair
> with my feet up with the mouse running around on a old recipe
> book cover on my lap with the keyboard under the screens to
> the left of me when I am only typing not much text. It isnt that
> light under there in some situations and the illumination helps.

I have always used my computers at a desk, with the ambient lighting
high enough that the screens are not significantly brighter than the
background behind them. I also don't look at the keys that much. I don't
touch type, but my two typing fingers do seem to know where the keys are
most of the time.

>
> The other massive advantage of illuminated keyboards is that they
> have to be double injection moulded and so the letters never wear off.
>
>> with media
>>> keys.  Any suggestions?
>>>  (1)  I don't do gaming, but it seems that is the way to get the
>>> spec I want.
>>>  Chris
>>

--
Colin Bignell

Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> writes:

> On 17/08/2022 20:05, Dan Espen wrote:
>> Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> writes:
>>
>>> On 17/08/2022 15:12, Chris J Dixon wrote:
>>>> Looks like my Logitech G-810 keyboard might be about to fail. I
>>>> am getting increasing problems with the space bar - either no
>>>> space, or a double space. :-(
>>>> It is a gaming keyboard,(1) and is otherwise pretty good. I
>>>> guess it doesn't enjoy the duty of a space bar browsing usenet.
>>>> I want a full-size RGB-illuminated wired keyboard, with media
>>>> keys. Any suggestions?
>>>> (1) I don't do gaming, but it seems that is the way to get the
>>>> spec I want.
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> I assume this is for a Windows machine. FYI I have a Linux Mint laptop
>>> (the machine could be used for gaming), and although I can get the
>>> keys illuminated in blue, I can't get the full spectrum of colours. I
>>> would need to run Windows to do that.
>> I have a Logitech G810.
>> There are multiple open source packages that allow you to control
>> keyboard LEDs. I'm using G810-LED. Windows is not needed.
>
> Yep. The G810 driver is available from the Mint repo, but I have a
> built-in keyboard on my Clevo laptop. I've just checked again (I've
> had the laptop almost 8 years), and there are now LED drivers for
> it. Long thread here:
> <https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=287190>. There was a bit
> of an issue when new kernels appeared!

Good to hear.

The g810-led scripts are easy to write and you can create some nice effects.

--
Dan Espen

Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> writes:

> On 17/08/2022 15:12, Chris J Dixon wrote:
>> I want a full-size RGB-illuminated wired keyboard,
>
> I've never seen the point of illuminated keyboards.

I work in low light. You can create some very attractive lighting
effects.

I use shades of blue on Function keys, text keys, arrows, numeric pad, etc.
Makes me happy.

--
Dan Espen

On 19/08/2022 04:18, Dan Espen wrote:
> Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> writes:
>
>> On 17/08/2022 15:12, Chris J Dixon wrote:
>>> I want a full-size RGB-illuminated wired keyboard,
>>
>> I've never seen the point of illuminated keyboards.
>
> I work in low light.

Unless your screen is almost black, that can cause eye strain. The
monitor and its background should be of similar brightness.

> You can create some very attractive lighting
> effects.
>
> I use shades of blue on Function keys, text keys, arrows, numeric pad, etc.
> Makes me happy.

That does seem to be the only purpose for them so far as I can see.

--
Colin Bignell

Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> writes:

> On 19/08/2022 04:18, Dan Espen wrote:
>> Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> writes:
>>
>>> On 17/08/2022 15:12, Chris J Dixon wrote:
>>>> I want a full-size RGB-illuminated wired keyboard,
>>>
>>> I've never seen the point of illuminated keyboards.
>> I work in low light.
>
> Unless your screen is almost black, that can cause eye strain. The
> monitor and its background should be of similar brightness.

Where I can I set BG to black.

>> You can create some very attractive lighting
>> effects.
>> I use shades of blue on Function keys, text keys, arrows, numeric
>> pad, etc.
>> Makes me happy.
>
> That does seem to be the only purpose for them so far as I can see.

The keyboard may have features besides the LEDs that make it worthwhile.
My Logitech G810 is a good example. The lights are for show and working
in low light conditions.

--
Dan Espen

On Sat, 20 Aug 2022 00:11:03 +1000, Colin Bignell
<cpb@bignellremovethis.me.uk> wrote:

> On 19/08/2022 04:18, Dan Espen wrote:
>> Colin Bignell <cpb@bignellREMOVETHIS.me.uk> writes:
>>
>>> On 17/08/2022 15:12, Chris J Dixon wrote:
>>>> I want a full-size RGB-illuminated wired keyboard,
>>>
>>> I've never seen the point of illuminated keyboards.
>> I work in low light.

> Unless your screen is almost black, that can cause eye strain.

Doesn't for me.

> The monitor and its background should be of similar brightness.

Doesn't need to be for me.

>> You can create some very attractive lighting
>> effects.
>> I use shades of blue on Function keys, text keys, arrows, numeric pad,
>> etc.
>> Makes me happy.

> That does seem to be the only purpose for them so far as I can see.

The other obvious purpose is that the lettering never wears off
because the keytops have to be double injection moulded.

On Sat, 20 Aug 2022 05:17:59 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:

> The other obvious purpose is that the lettering never wears off because
> the keytops have to be double injection moulded.

Well, yes. But you can have non illuminated keyboards with that.

The keyboard I am using here has been in daily use since 1989.

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Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote

>> The other obvious purpose is that the lettering never wears offbecause
>> the keytops have to be double injection moulded.

> Well, yes. But you can have non illuminated keyboards with that.

But those are far less common now.

> The keyboard I am using here has been in daily use since 1989.

On 19/08/2022 21:30, Bob Eager wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Aug 2022 05:17:59 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:
>
>> The other obvious purpose is that the lettering never wears off because
>> the keytops have to be double injection moulded.
>
> Well, yes. But you can have non illuminated keyboards with that.
>
> The keyboard I am using here has been in daily use since 1989.

Not all. The spare keyboard that I am currently using has translucent
keycaps, fully overprinted black, leaving just the lettering unprinted.
It is a temporary replacement for my Ducky mechanical keyboard that my
son spilled a drink into.

I have managed to clean and dry the pcb, casing, etc., but one key
(despite numerous applications of switch cleaner) is a bit sticky. I
must get around to buying a replacement switch and soldering it in.

Although I've just looked and the keyboards seem to be reduced to around
50 quid ... they were 180 last time I looked!

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2022-08-19, Peeler <trolltrap@valid.invalid> schrieb:
> On Sat, 20 Aug 2022 06:45:44 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
> Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:
>
><FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin's latest trollshit unread>

And your newsreader doesn't have a killfile?

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balglaas@dds.nl

On 18/08/2022 10:03, Colin Bignell wrote:
> On 17/08/2022 15:12, Chris J Dixon wrote:
>> Looks like my Logitech G-810 keyboard might be about to fail. I
>> am getting increasing problems with the space bar -  either no
>> space, or a double space.  :-(
>>
>> It is a gaming keyboard,(1)  and is otherwise pretty good. I
>> guess it doesn't enjoy the duty of a space bar browsing usenet.
>
> The space bar gets used a lot in gaming. It is conveniently under the
> left thumb when using WASD keys to move an avatar.
>
>> I want a full-size RGB-illuminated wired keyboard,
>
> I've never seen the point of illuminated keyboards.

The only place I would say they can be handy is on laptops. If you are
taking notes in a lecture room or conference setting.

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John.

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2022-08-20, Peeler <trolltrap@valid.invalid> schrieb:
> On Sat, 20 Aug 2022 08:52:02 -0000 (UTC), Jan van den Broek wrote:
>
>> ["Followup-To:" header set to comp.misc.]
>> 2022-08-19, Peeler <trolltrap@valid.invalid> schrieb:
>>> On Sat, 20 Aug 2022 06:45:44 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
>>> Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:
>>>
>>><FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin's latest trollshit unread>
>>
>> And your newsreader doesn't have a killfile?
>
> I never killfile anyone.

That is your choice. But what is it that you want you achieve? Getting
Rod to stop posting? Your choice of words isn't going to get him on
your side.
--
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balglaas@dds.nl

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2022-08-20, Peeler <trolltrap@valid.invalid> schrieb:
> On Sat, 20 Aug 2022 19:16:50 -0000 (UTC), Jan van den Broek wrote:
>
>
>>> I never killfile anyone.
>>
>> That is your choice.
>
> That's right!
>
>> But what is it that you want you achieve? Getting
>> Rod to stop posting? Your choice of words isn't going to get him on
>> your side.
>
> Think about it! <BG>

I could think about, but that wouldn't change much. You seem to be the
one having trouble with Rods postings.
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balglaas@dds.nl

John Rumm <see.my.signature@nowhere.null> wrote:
>>
>> I've never seen the point of illuminated keyboards.
>
>The only place I would say they can be handy is on laptops. If you are
>taking notes in a lecture room or conference setting.

They are very handy if you're typing occasional characters in a dark
control room. If you have your fingers on the home row, a keyboard
with dots on it can tell you that you're centered right and then you
can find everything in the dark. But if you're just occasionally
punching in a letter or number here and there instead of carefully
touch-typing, the dots are no help.
--scott

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