On 20/10/2023 23:21, alan_m wrote:
> On 20/10/2023 15:59, Retirednoguilt wrote:
>> On 10/19/2023 3:22 PM, alan_m wrote:
>>> On 19/10/2023 17:27, Big Al wrote:
>>>> On 10/19/23 11:06 AM, this is what Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>>> On 2023-10-19 14:58, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>> On 19/10/2023 13:01, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2023-10-19 13:30, Big Al wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 10/19/23 05:26 AM, this is what Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2023-10-19 05:13, Big Al wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 10/18/23 12:10 PM, this is what Vir Campestris wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/10/2023 20:01, Andy Burns wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>
>>>> So you say you don't have the twisty like this, see arrow.
>>>> https://i.postimg.cc/W3X5F0q1/Thread-collapsed.png
>>>> and when clicked you get this, see arrow.
>>>
>>> If you want that on the toolbar right click on the tool bar and from the
>>> list of things that cam be displayed on the toolbar select "thread"
>>>
>>>> https://i.postimg.cc/SRRDWjc7/Thread-expanded.png
>>>
>>   Which tool bar are you talking about?  When I go to "View" one of the
>> drop down choices is "Toolbars" and within that selection there are 4
>> different items, Menu Bar, Quick Filter Bar, Spaces Toolbar, and Status
>> Bar.  Below those 4 there's a choice to select Customize.  When I choose
>> customize, a whole bunch of icons inside squares with the name of the
>> function appear but none of them say Thread.  I've also tried right
>> clicking on every bar on my display and either nothing happens or other
>> options appear, none of which are Thread.  The only way I get to threads
>> is from the drop down menu when I click on View.  I'm using 15.3.3. 64
>> bit.
>
>
> Sorry wrong terminology
> At the top of usenet articles/postings window there is a bar with
> "subject", "from" "date" etc. There is a range of things that can be
> displayed on or removed from this bar.  If you place your mouse on the
> bar and right click a list appears. The "thread" option will put an icon
> on this bar.
> Clicking this icon will toggle between expanding all threads and
> collapsing all threads

Not here it wont.
It removes all therdeas altohgether, and then when clickied again
collpases all threads

- the equivalent to the to pressing the \ or *
> keys but witha single click of the mouse.

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On 10/20/2023 6:21 PM, alan_m wrote:

>
>
> Sorry wrong terminology
> At the top of usenet articles/postings window there is a bar with
> "subject", "from" "date" etc. There is a range of things that can be
> displayed on or removed from this bar. If you place your mouse on the
> bar and right click a list appears. The "thread" option will put an icon
> on this bar.
> Clicking this icon will toggle between expanding all threads and
> collapsing all threads - the equivalent to the to pressing the \ or *
> keys but witha single click of the mouse.

Thanks for the clarification. I already have that icon at the far left.
Problem is that it is just another way of either expanding all threads
or collapsing all threads. It still doesn't provide a way to change the
default behavior of opening each newsgroup with all thread expanded.

On 10/20/2023 11:21 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

>>
>> Sorry wrong terminology
>> At the top of usenet articles/postings window there is a bar with
>> "subject", "from" "date" etc. There is a range of things that can be
>> displayed on or removed from this bar.  If you place your mouse on the
>> bar and right click a list appears. The "thread" option will put an icon
>> on this bar.
>> Clicking this icon will toggle between expanding all threads and
>> collapsing all threads
>
> Not here it wont.
> It removes all therdeas altohgether, and then when clickied again
> collpases all threads
>
> - the equivalent to the to pressing the \ or *
>> keys but witha single click of the mouse.
>

+1

Big Al wrote:

> thus the term twisty.  This is a TB term used the DOM/programmers stuff.

The name is older than that, I think I first encountered twisties in
Lotus Notes forms.

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> alan_m wrote:
>
>> The "thread" option will put an icon on this bar. Clicking this
>> icon will toggle between expanding all threads and collapsing all
>> threads
>
> Not here it wont.

Indeed, clicking the "thread" column in the message list header does the
same as toggling between View/SortBy/Threaded and
View/SortBy/Unthreaded, and not (as others have clarified) the same as
pressing * or \

On 22/10/2023 12:28, Andy Burns wrote:
> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> alan_m wrote:
>>
>>> The "thread" option will put an icon on this bar. Clicking this
>>> icon will toggle between expanding all threads and collapsing all
>>> threads
>>
>> Not here it wont.
>
> Indeed, clicking the "thread" column in the message list header does the
> same as toggling between View/SortBy/Threaded and
> View/SortBy/Unthreaded, and not (as others have clarified) the same as
> pressing * or \
>
Except in my setup it does *nothing*

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On 10/19/2023 7:38 AM, Big Al wrote:
> On 10/19/23 07:28 AM, this is what David Wade wrote:
>> On 19/10/2023 04:13, Big Al wrote:
>>> On 10/18/23 12:10 PM, this is what Vir Campestris wrote:
>>>> On 15/10/2023 20:01, Andy Burns wrote:
>>>>> Harry Bloomfield Esq wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Clicking to read a thread, it would show a few lines of some of the responses, in the reading panel
>>>>>
>>>>> That's called "conversation view", if you don't like it, go to tools/settings/config editor and change the value of
>>>>> mail.operate_on_msgs_in_collapsed_threads to false.
>>>>
>>>> I guess all the people in the TBird forum don't know about this either. Mine is now behaving sanely. Many thanks!
>>>>
>>>> (copied there!)
>>>>
>>>> Andy
>>> You can also click on the little 'twisty' to toggle the headers in the thread pane to collapsed / expanded.
>> If the view is set to unread threads, and there is only one unread item in the thread, this does not work, as there is
>> nothing to expand as the unread items are hidden.
>>
>> The read and unread items show in the summary window, and trying to open the item opens every message in the thread...
>>
>> Dave.
> I used unread/threaded. So one unread shows the entire thread. I myself wish to see some of the previous comments, so
> I want the thread, but that's me. So the twisty works in my case. If you feel it's a bug, try posting a bug on
> bugzilla.mozilla.org.

I doubt that all those who have posted to this thread will ever agree
because of the grand takeaway from this futile exercise. Bottom line:
if any of the TB developers read this newsgroup, and specifically this
thread, they should work on clarifying and simplifying how each end user
can configure TB so that each news group can be set to display a default
threading scheme that suits the user's preferences and that is reliably
"sticky" (that's what "default" is all about after all). End users
shouldn't have to deal with editing .js files and/or go on a treasure
hunt to find the correct setting(s) in the advanced settings list and
then know what value may be needed to accomplish the desired change in
behavior. Some of us don't know coding etc. We just want a safe,
reliable, flexible, and easy to use program.

On 10/19/2023 7:38 AM, Big Al wrote:
> On 10/19/23 07:28 AM, this is what David Wade wrote:
>> On 19/10/2023 04:13, Big Al wrote:
>>> On 10/18/23 12:10 PM, this is what Vir Campestris wrote:
>>>> On 15/10/2023 20:01, Andy Burns wrote:
>>>>> Harry Bloomfield Esq wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Clicking to read a thread, it would show a few lines of some of the responses, in the reading panel
>>>>>
>>>>> That's called "conversation view", if you don't like it, go to tools/settings/config editor and change the value of
>>>>> mail.operate_on_msgs_in_collapsed_threads to false.
>>>>
>>>> I guess all the people in the TBird forum don't know about this either. Mine is now behaving sanely. Many thanks!
>>>>
>>>> (copied there!)
>>>>
>>>> Andy
>>> You can also click on the little 'twisty' to toggle the headers in the thread pane to collapsed / expanded.
>> If the view is set to unread threads, and there is only one unread item in the thread, this does not work, as there is
>> nothing to expand as the unread items are hidden.
>>
>> The read and unread items show in the summary window, and trying to open the item opens every message in the thread...
>>
>> Dave.
> I used unread/threaded. So one unread shows the entire thread. I myself wish to see some of the previous comments, so
> I want the thread, but that's me. So the twisty works in my case. If you feel it's a bug, try posting a bug on
> bugzilla.mozilla.org.

I doubt that all those who have posted to this thread will ever agree
because of the grand takeaway from this futile exercise. Bottom line:
if any of the TB developers read this newsgroup, and specifically this
thread, they should work on clarifying and simplifying how each end user
can configure TB so that each news group can be set to display a default
threading scheme that suits the user's preferences and that is reliably
"sticky" (that's what "default" is all about after all). End users
shouldn't have to deal with editing .js files and/or go on a treasure
hunt to find the correct setting(s) in the advanced settings list and
then know what value may be needed to accomplish the desired change in
behavior. Some of us don't know coding etc. We just want a safe,
reliable, flexible, and easy to use program.

On 10/22/2023 6:08 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
> Big Al wrote:
>
>> thus the term twisty.  This is a TB term used the DOM/programmers stuff.
>
> The name is older than that, I think I first encountered twisties in
> Lotus Notes forms.

I doubt that all those who have posted to this thread will ever agree
because of the grand takeaway from this futile exercise. Bottom line:
if any of the TB developers read this newsgroup, and specifically this
thread, they should work on clarifying and simplifying how each end user
can configure TB so that each news group can be set to display a default
threading scheme that suits the user's preferences and that is reliably
"sticky" (that's what "default" is all about after all). End users
shouldn't have to deal with editing .js files and/or go on a treasure
hunt to find the correct setting(s) in the advanced settings list and
then know what value may be needed to accomplish the desired change in
behavior. Some of us don't know coding etc. We just want a safe,
reliable, flexible, and easy to use program.

On 10/22/2023 10:44 AM, Retirednoguilt wrote:
> On 10/19/2023 7:38 AM, Big Al wrote:
>> On 10/19/23 07:28 AM, this is what David Wade wrote:
>>> On 19/10/2023 04:13, Big Al wrote:
>>>> On 10/18/23 12:10 PM, this is what Vir Campestris wrote:
>>>>> On 15/10/2023 20:01, Andy Burns wrote:
>>>>>> Harry Bloomfield Esq wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Clicking to read a thread, it would show a few lines of some of the responses, in the reading panel
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's called "conversation view", if you don't like it, go to tools/settings/config editor and change the value of
>>>>>> mail.operate_on_msgs_in_collapsed_threads to false.
>>>>>
>>>>> I guess all the people in the TBird forum don't know about this either. Mine is now behaving sanely. Many thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> (copied there!)
>>>>>
>>>>> Andy
>>>> You can also click on the little 'twisty' to toggle the headers in the thread pane to collapsed / expanded.
>>> If the view is set to unread threads, and there is only one unread item in the thread, this does not work, as there is
>>> nothing to expand as the unread items are hidden.
>>>
>>> The read and unread items show in the summary window, and trying to open the item opens every message in the thread...
>>>
>>> Dave.
>> I used unread/threaded. So one unread shows the entire thread. I myself wish to see some of the previous comments, so
>> I want the thread, but that's me. So the twisty works in my case. If you feel it's a bug, try posting a bug on
>> bugzilla.mozilla.org.
>
> I doubt that all those who have posted to this thread will ever agree
> because of the grand takeaway from this futile exercise. Bottom line:
> if any of the TB developers read this newsgroup, and specifically this
> thread, they should work on clarifying and simplifying how each end user
> can configure TB so that each news group can be set to display a default
> threading scheme that suits the user's preferences and that is reliably
> "sticky" (that's what "default" is all about after all). End users
> shouldn't have to deal with editing .js files and/or go on a treasure
> hunt to find the correct setting(s) in the advanced settings list and
> then know what value may be needed to accomplish the desired change in
> behavior. Some of us don't know coding etc. We just want a safe,
> reliable, flexible, and easy to use program.

I apologize for the apparent triple posting of the message immediately
above. TB was telling me each time that the message could not be sent.
I was retrying. I'll bite my tongue now.

Am 22.10.23 um 16:48 schrieb Retirednoguilt:
> I apologize for the apparent triple posting of the message immediately
> above. TB was telling me each time that the message could not be sent.
> I was retrying. I'll bite my tongue now.

I can see you use E-S. The server is currently rather slow and therefore
not your fault.

Ray is fighting Google-spam which seems to come in like a Tsunami.

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