On 15/10/2023 20:01, Andy Burns wrote:
> Harry Bloomfield Esq wrote:
>
>> Clicking to read a thread, it would show a few lines of some of the
>> responses, in the reading panel
>
> That's called "conversation view", if you don't like it, go to
> tools/settings/config editor and change the value of
> mail.operate_on_msgs_in_collapsed_threads to false.

I guess all the people in the TBird forum don't know about this either.
Mine is now behaving sanely. Many thanks!

(copied there!)

Andy

On 10/18/2023 12:10 PM, Vir Campestris wrote:
> On 15/10/2023 20:01, Andy Burns wrote:
>> Harry Bloomfield Esq wrote:
>>
>>> Clicking to read a thread, it would show a few lines of some of the
>>> responses, in the reading panel
>>
>> That's called "conversation view", if you don't like it, go to
>> tools/settings/config editor and change the value of
>> mail.operate_on_msgs_in_collapsed_threads to false.
>
> I guess all the people in the TBird forum don't know about this either.
> Mine is now behaving sanely. Many thanks!
>
> (copied there!)
>
> Andy

Thanks so much for this thread. I went a few rounds with tech support on
this, sent a screen shot etc., etc.,. . The person that I corresponded
with never mentioned such a thing as "conversation" view. Never saw a
reference anywhere for "conversation" view. I knew I had to do something
when a thread with 60 messages was in conversation view. Thanks again.
Usenet is still useful!! ;-)

On 10/18/2023 12:10 PM, Vir Campestris wrote:
> On 15/10/2023 20:01, Andy Burns wrote:
>> Harry Bloomfield Esq wrote:
>>
>>> Clicking to read a thread, it would show a few lines of some of the
>>> responses, in the reading panel
>>
>> That's called "conversation view", if you don't like it, go to
>> tools/settings/config editor and change the value of
>> mail.operate_on_msgs_in_collapsed_threads to false.
>
> I guess all the people in the TBird forum don't know about this either.
> Mine is now behaving sanely. Many thanks!
>
> (copied there!)
>
> Andy
I'm apparently not in conversation view because all I see is the subject
title of thread, no lines of any of the responses. When I click on a
specific thread posting, the entire posting appears in the reading
panel. That I like.

However, FIFW, my mail.operate_on_msgs_in_collapsed_threads can be set
either to True or False. It doesn't change the fact that every time I
click on the title of a newsgroup, I can either see all threads or only
thread with new messages, but in either case, each thread is fully
expanded. I have to manually hit the "\" key to collapse them. Even
then, leaving TB open, if I select a different newsgroup and then return
to one I've already collapsed, it again displays threads fully expanded.
That, I don't like.

On 10/18/23 12:10 PM, this is what Vir Campestris wrote:
> On 15/10/2023 20:01, Andy Burns wrote:
>> Harry Bloomfield Esq wrote:
>>
>>> Clicking to read a thread, it would show a few lines of some of the responses, in the reading panel
>>
>> That's called "conversation view", if you don't like it, go to tools/settings/config editor and change the value of
>> mail.operate_on_msgs_in_collapsed_threads to false.
>
> I guess all the people in the TBird forum don't know about this either. Mine is now behaving sanely. Many thanks!
>
> (copied there!)
>
> Andy
You can also click on the little 'twisty' to toggle the headers in the thread pane to collapsed / expanded.
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Al

On 2023-10-19 05:13, Big Al wrote:
> On 10/18/23 12:10 PM, this is what Vir Campestris wrote:
>> On 15/10/2023 20:01, Andy Burns wrote:
>>> Harry Bloomfield Esq wrote:
>>>
>>>> Clicking to read a thread, it would show a few lines of some of the
>>>> responses, in the reading panel
>>>
>>> That's called "conversation view", if you don't like it, go to
>>> tools/settings/config editor and change the value of
>>> mail.operate_on_msgs_in_collapsed_threads to false.
>>
>> I guess all the people in the TBird forum don't know about this
>> either. Mine is now behaving sanely. Many thanks!
>>
>> (copied there!)
>>
>> Andy
> You can also click on the little 'twisty' to toggle the headers in the
> thread pane to collapsed / expanded.

What is that 'twisty', do you have a photo or screenshot?

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

On 19/10/2023 04:13, Big Al wrote:
> On 10/18/23 12:10 PM, this is what Vir Campestris wrote:
>> On 15/10/2023 20:01, Andy Burns wrote:
>>> Harry Bloomfield Esq wrote:
>>>
>>>> Clicking to read a thread, it would show a few lines of some of the
>>>> responses, in the reading panel
>>>
>>> That's called "conversation view", if you don't like it, go to
>>> tools/settings/config editor and change the value of
>>> mail.operate_on_msgs_in_collapsed_threads to false.
>>
>> I guess all the people in the TBird forum don't know about this
>> either. Mine is now behaving sanely. Many thanks!
>>
>> (copied there!)
>>
>> Andy
> You can also click on the little 'twisty' to toggle the headers in the
> thread pane to collapsed / expanded.
If the view is set to unread threads, and there is only one unread item
in the thread, this does not work, as there is nothing to expand as the
unread items are hidden.

The read and unread items show in the summary window, and trying to open
the item opens every message in the thread...

Dave.

On 10/19/23 05:26 AM, this is what Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2023-10-19 05:13, Big Al wrote:
>> On 10/18/23 12:10 PM, this is what Vir Campestris wrote:
>>> On 15/10/2023 20:01, Andy Burns wrote:
>>>> Harry Bloomfield Esq wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Clicking to read a thread, it would show a few lines of some of the responses, in the reading panel
>>>>
>>>> That's called "conversation view", if you don't like it, go to tools/settings/config editor and change the value of
>>>> mail.operate_on_msgs_in_collapsed_threads to false.
>>>
>>> I guess all the people in the TBird forum don't know about this either. Mine is now behaving sanely. Many thanks!
>>>
>>> (copied there!)
>>>
>>> Andy
>> You can also click on the little 'twisty' to toggle the headers in the thread pane to collapsed / expanded.
>
> What is that 'twisty', do you have a photo or screenshot?
>
https://postimg.cc/qgQ29WGv
It's at the beginning of every expandable item practically everywhere in TB. In this pic it's a down arrow. I changed
the icon via css. It looks like a 'v' otherwise. If I collapse the threads it changes to -> an arrow pointing right.
It twists as you click it, thus the term twisty. This is a TB term used the DOM/programmers stuff.
You see it in front of your news servers, local folders etc so you can expand and collapse them.
Same with Windows folders in the side bar. 'This PC' has one, if you hit it, it will expand/collapse all the drives. The
item is used a lot of places in most Windows and Linux, not sure of MAC.
--
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Al

On 10/19/23 07:28 AM, this is what David Wade wrote:
> On 19/10/2023 04:13, Big Al wrote:
>> On 10/18/23 12:10 PM, this is what Vir Campestris wrote:
>>> On 15/10/2023 20:01, Andy Burns wrote:
>>>> Harry Bloomfield Esq wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Clicking to read a thread, it would show a few lines of some of the responses, in the reading panel
>>>>
>>>> That's called "conversation view", if you don't like it, go to tools/settings/config editor and change the value of
>>>> mail.operate_on_msgs_in_collapsed_threads to false.
>>>
>>> I guess all the people in the TBird forum don't know about this either. Mine is now behaving sanely. Many thanks!
>>>
>>> (copied there!)
>>>
>>> Andy
>> You can also click on the little 'twisty' to toggle the headers in the thread pane to collapsed / expanded.
> If the view is set to unread threads, and there is only one unread item in the thread, this does not work, as there is
> nothing to expand as the unread items are hidden.
>
> The read and unread items show in the summary window, and trying to open the item opens every message in the thread...
>
> Dave.
I used unread/threaded. So one unread shows the entire thread. I myself wish to see some of the previous comments, so
I want the thread, but that's me. So the twisty works in my case. If you feel it's a bug, try posting a bug on
bugzilla.mozilla.org.
--
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Al

On 2023-10-19 13:30, Big Al wrote:
> On 10/19/23 05:26 AM, this is what Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2023-10-19 05:13, Big Al wrote:
>>> On 10/18/23 12:10 PM, this is what Vir Campestris wrote:
>>>> On 15/10/2023 20:01, Andy Burns wrote:
>>>>> Harry Bloomfield Esq wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Clicking to read a thread, it would show a few lines of some of
>>>>>> the responses, in the reading panel
>>>>>
>>>>> That's called "conversation view", if you don't like it, go to
>>>>> tools/settings/config editor and change the value of
>>>>> mail.operate_on_msgs_in_collapsed_threads to false.
>>>>
>>>> I guess all the people in the TBird forum don't know about this
>>>> either. Mine is now behaving sanely. Many thanks!
>>>>
>>>> (copied there!)
>>>>
>>>> Andy
>>> You can also click on the little 'twisty' to toggle the headers in
>>> the thread pane to collapsed / expanded.
>>
>> What is that 'twisty', do you have a photo or screenshot?
>>
> https://postimg.cc/qgQ29WGv
> It's at the beginning of every expandable item practically everywhere in
> TB.  In this pic it's a down arrow.  I changed the icon via css. It
> looks like a 'v' otherwise.   If I collapse the threads it changes to ->
> an arrow pointing right. It twists as you click it, thus the term
> twisty.  This is a TB term used the DOM/programmers stuff.
> You see it in front of your news servers, local folders etc so you can
> expand and collapse them.

Ah, of course. But it collapses/expand just one thread.

> Same with Windows folders in the side bar. 'This PC' has one, if you hit
> it, it will expand/collapse all the drives. The item is used a lot of
> places in most Windows and Linux, not sure of MAC.

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

On 19/10/2023 13:01, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2023-10-19 13:30, Big Al wrote:
>> On 10/19/23 05:26 AM, this is what Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> On 2023-10-19 05:13, Big Al wrote:
>>>> On 10/18/23 12:10 PM, this is what Vir Campestris wrote:
>>>>> On 15/10/2023 20:01, Andy Burns wrote:
>>>>>> Harry Bloomfield Esq wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Clicking to read a thread, it would show a few lines of some of
>>>>>>> the responses, in the reading panel
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's called "conversation view", if you don't like it, go to
>>>>>> tools/settings/config editor and change the value of
>>>>>> mail.operate_on_msgs_in_collapsed_threads to false.
>>>>>
>>>>> I guess all the people in the TBird forum don't know about this
>>>>> either. Mine is now behaving sanely. Many thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> (copied there!)
>>>>>
>>>>> Andy
>>>> You can also click on the little 'twisty' to toggle the headers in
>>>> the thread pane to collapsed / expanded.
>>>
>>> What is that 'twisty', do you have a photo or screenshot?
>>>
>> https://postimg.cc/qgQ29WGv
>> It's at the beginning of every expandable item practically everywhere
>> in TB.  In this pic it's a down arrow.  I changed the icon via css. It
>> looks like a 'v' otherwise.   If I collapse the threads it changes to
>> -> an arrow pointing right. It twists as you click it, thus the term
>> twisty.  This is a TB term used the DOM/programmers stuff.
>> You see it in front of your news servers, local folders etc so you can
>> expand and collapse them.
>
> Ah, of course. But it collapses/expand just one thread.
>
* does the lot

>> Same with Windows folders in the side bar. 'This PC' has one, if you
>> hit it, it will expand/collapse all the drives. The item is used a lot
>> of places in most Windows and Linux, not sure of MAC.
>

--
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true: it is true because it is powerful."

Lucas Bergkamp

On 2023-10-19 14:58, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 19/10/2023 13:01, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2023-10-19 13:30, Big Al wrote:
>>> On 10/19/23 05:26 AM, this is what Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>> On 2023-10-19 05:13, Big Al wrote:
>>>>> On 10/18/23 12:10 PM, this is what Vir Campestris wrote:
>>>>>> On 15/10/2023 20:01, Andy Burns wrote:

....

>>>>>> Andy
>>>>> You can also click on the little 'twisty' to toggle the headers in
>>>>> the thread pane to collapsed / expanded.
>>>>
>>>> What is that 'twisty', do you have a photo or screenshot?
>>>>
>>> https://postimg.cc/qgQ29WGv
>>> It's at the beginning of every expandable item practically everywhere
>>> in TB.  In this pic it's a down arrow.  I changed the icon via css.
>>> It looks like a 'v' otherwise.   If I collapse the threads it changes
>>> to -> an arrow pointing right. It twists as you click it, thus the
>>> term twisty.  This is a TB term used the DOM/programmers stuff.
>>> You see it in front of your news servers, local folders etc so you
>>> can expand and collapse them.
>>
>> Ah, of course. But it collapses/expand just one thread.
>>
> * does the lot

I know. * expands, \ collapses.

But I thought, reading this thread, that there was a mouse click
somewhere that did the same.

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

On 10/19/23 11:06 AM, this is what Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2023-10-19 14:58, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 19/10/2023 13:01, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> On 2023-10-19 13:30, Big Al wrote:
>>>> On 10/19/23 05:26 AM, this is what Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>>> On 2023-10-19 05:13, Big Al wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/18/23 12:10 PM, this is what Vir Campestris wrote:
>>>>>>> On 15/10/2023 20:01, Andy Burns wrote:
>
> ...
>
>>>>>>> Andy
>>>>>> You can also click on the little 'twisty' to toggle the headers in the thread pane to collapsed / expanded.
>>>>>
>>>>> What is that 'twisty', do you have a photo or screenshot?
>>>>>
>>>> https://postimg.cc/qgQ29WGv
>>>> It's at the beginning of every expandable item practically everywhere in TB.  In this pic it's a down arrow.  I
>>>> changed the icon via css. It looks like a 'v' otherwise.   If I collapse the threads it changes to -> an arrow
>>>> pointing right. It twists as you click it, thus the term twisty.  This is a TB term used the DOM/programmers stuff.
>>>> You see it in front of your news servers, local folders etc so you can expand and collapse them.
>>>
>>> Ah, of course. But it collapses/expand just one thread.
>>>
>> * does the lot
>
> I know. * expands, \ collapses.
>
> But I thought, reading this thread, that there was a mouse click somewhere that did the same.
>
So you say you don't have the twisty like this, see arrow.
https://i.postimg.cc/W3X5F0q1/Thread-collapsed.png
and when clicked you get this, see arrow.
https://i.postimg.cc/SRRDWjc7/Thread-expanded.png
--
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Al

On 19/10/2023 17:27, Big Al wrote:
> On 10/19/23 11:06 AM, this is what Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2023-10-19 14:58, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 19/10/2023 13:01, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>> On 2023-10-19 13:30, Big Al wrote:
>>>>> On 10/19/23 05:26 AM, this is what Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>>>> On 2023-10-19 05:13, Big Al wrote:
>>>>>>> On 10/18/23 12:10 PM, this is what Vir Campestris wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 15/10/2023 20:01, Andy Burns wrote:
>>
>> ...
>>
>>>>>>>> Andy
>>>>>>> You can also click on the little 'twisty' to toggle the headers
>>>>>>> in the thread pane to collapsed / expanded.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What is that 'twisty', do you have a photo or screenshot?
>>>>>>
>>>>> https://postimg.cc/qgQ29WGv
>>>>> It's at the beginning of every expandable item practically
>>>>> everywhere in TB.  In this pic it's a down arrow.  I changed the
>>>>> icon via css. It looks like a 'v' otherwise.   If I collapse the
>>>>> threads it changes to -> an arrow pointing right. It twists as you
>>>>> click it, thus the term twisty.  This is a TB term used the
>>>>> DOM/programmers stuff.
>>>>> You see it in front of your news servers, local folders etc so you
>>>>> can expand and collapse them.
>>>>
>>>> Ah, of course. But it collapses/expand just one thread.
>>>>
>>> * does the lot
>>
>> I know. * expands, \ collapses.
>>
>> But I thought, reading this thread, that there was a mouse click
>> somewhere that did the same.
>>
> So you say you don't have the twisty like this, see arrow.
> https://i.postimg.cc/W3X5F0q1/Thread-collapsed.png
> and when clicked you get this, see arrow.

If you want that on the toolbar right click on the tool bar and from the
list of things that cam be displayed on the toolbar select "thread"

> https://i.postimg.cc/SRRDWjc7/Thread-expanded.png

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On 2023-10-19 18:27, Big Al wrote:
> On 10/19/23 11:06 AM, this is what Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2023-10-19 14:58, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 19/10/2023 13:01, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>> On 2023-10-19 13:30, Big Al wrote:
>>>>> On 10/19/23 05:26 AM, this is what Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>>>> On 2023-10-19 05:13, Big Al wrote:
>>>>>>> On 10/18/23 12:10 PM, this is what Vir Campestris wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 15/10/2023 20:01, Andy Burns wrote:
>>
>> ...
>>
>>>>>>>> Andy
>>>>>>> You can also click on the little 'twisty' to toggle the headers
>>>>>>> in the thread pane to collapsed / expanded.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What is that 'twisty', do you have a photo or screenshot?
>>>>>>
>>>>> https://postimg.cc/qgQ29WGv
>>>>> It's at the beginning of every expandable item practically
>>>>> everywhere in TB.  In this pic it's a down arrow.  I changed the
>>>>> icon via css. It looks like a 'v' otherwise.   If I collapse the
>>>>> threads it changes to -> an arrow pointing right. It twists as you
>>>>> click it, thus the term twisty.  This is a TB term used the
>>>>> DOM/programmers stuff.
>>>>> You see it in front of your news servers, local folders etc so you
>>>>> can expand and collapse them.
>>>>
>>>> Ah, of course. But it collapses/expand just one thread.
>>>>
>>> * does the lot
>>
>> I know. * expands, \ collapses.
>>
>> But I thought, reading this thread, that there was a mouse click
>> somewhere that did the same.
>>
> So you say you don't have the twisty like this, see arrow.
> https://i.postimg.cc/W3X5F0q1/Thread-collapsed.png
> and when clicked you get this, see arrow.
> https://i.postimg.cc/SRRDWjc7/Thread-expanded.png

Yes, I have them.

I just thought, wrongly, that you were talking about somewhere to click
with the mouse and it would collapse/expand *all* threads. An equivalent
of the '\' or '*' keys.

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

On 10/19/2023 3:00 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2023-10-19 18:27, Big Al wrote:
>> On 10/19/23 11:06 AM, this is what Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> On 2023-10-19 14:58, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 19/10/2023 13:01, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>>> On 2023-10-19 13:30, Big Al wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/19/23 05:26 AM, this is what Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2023-10-19 05:13, Big Al wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 10/18/23 12:10 PM, this is what Vir Campestris wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 15/10/2023 20:01, Andy Burns wrote:
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>>>>>>>> Andy
>>>>>>>> You can also click on the little 'twisty' to toggle the headers
>>>>>>>> in the thread pane to collapsed / expanded.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What is that 'twisty', do you have a photo or screenshot?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://postimg.cc/qgQ29WGv
>>>>>> It's at the beginning of every expandable item practically
>>>>>> everywhere in TB.  In this pic it's a down arrow.  I changed the
>>>>>> icon via css. It looks like a 'v' otherwise.   If I collapse the
>>>>>> threads it changes to -> an arrow pointing right. It twists as you
>>>>>> click it, thus the term twisty.  This is a TB term used the
>>>>>> DOM/programmers stuff.
>>>>>> You see it in front of your news servers, local folders etc so you
>>>>>> can expand and collapse them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ah, of course. But it collapses/expand just one thread.
>>>>>
>>>> * does the lot
>>>
>>> I know. * expands, \ collapses.
>>>
>>> But I thought, reading this thread, that there was a mouse click
>>> somewhere that did the same.
>>>
>> So you say you don't have the twisty like this, see arrow.
>> https://i.postimg.cc/W3X5F0q1/Thread-collapsed.png
>> and when clicked you get this, see arrow.
>> https://i.postimg.cc/SRRDWjc7/Thread-expanded.png
>
> Yes, I have them.
>
> I just thought, wrongly, that you were talking about somewhere to click
> with the mouse and it would collapse/expand *all* threads. An equivalent
> of the '\' or '*' keys.
>

If you look at your column headings, one of them is "Thread".
If checked, you will see an icon for "Toggle message threads".
Click on that.
Since I prefer the keyboard, I press the Spacebar while focused on it to
do the same thing.

On 10/19/23 04:00 PM, this is what Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2023-10-19 18:27, Big Al wrote:
>> On 10/19/23 11:06 AM, this is what Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> On 2023-10-19 14:58, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 19/10/2023 13:01, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>>> On 2023-10-19 13:30, Big Al wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/19/23 05:26 AM, this is what Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2023-10-19 05:13, Big Al wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 10/18/23 12:10 PM, this is what Vir Campestris wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 15/10/2023 20:01, Andy Burns wrote:
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>>>>>>>> Andy
>>>>>>>> You can also click on the little 'twisty' to toggle the headers in the thread pane to collapsed / expanded.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What is that 'twisty', do you have a photo or screenshot?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://postimg.cc/qgQ29WGv
>>>>>> It's at the beginning of every expandable item practically everywhere in TB.  In this pic it's a down arrow.  I
>>>>>> changed the icon via css. It looks like a 'v' otherwise.   If I collapse the threads it changes to -> an arrow
>>>>>> pointing right. It twists as you click it, thus the term twisty.  This is a TB term used the DOM/programmers stuff.
>>>>>> You see it in front of your news servers, local folders etc so you can expand and collapse them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ah, of course. But it collapses/expand just one thread.
>>>>>
>>>> * does the lot
>>>
>>> I know. * expands, \ collapses.
>>>
>>> But I thought, reading this thread, that there was a mouse click somewhere that did the same.
>>>
>> So you say you don't have the twisty like this, see arrow.
>> https://i.postimg.cc/W3X5F0q1/Thread-collapsed.png
>> and when clicked you get this, see arrow.
>> https://i.postimg.cc/SRRDWjc7/Thread-expanded.png
>
> Yes, I have them.
>
> I just thought, wrongly, that you were talking about somewhere to click with the mouse and it would collapse/expand
> *all* threads. An equivalent of the '\' or '*' keys.
>
Well you can click on the twisty and expand of collapse ONE thread. Yes, but not all at once.
Like you I thought wrongly that you were looking for a single thread to toggle. The * \ thing just went over my head as
much as I know and use them.
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Al

On 2023-10-19 22:21, AllanH wrote:
> On 10/19/2023 3:00 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2023-10-19 18:27, Big Al wrote:
>>> On 10/19/23 11:06 AM, this is what Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>> On 2023-10-19 14:58, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>> On 19/10/2023 13:01, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>>>> On 2023-10-19 13:30, Big Al wrote:
>>>>>>> On 10/19/23 05:26 AM, this is what Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2023-10-19 05:13, Big Al wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 10/18/23 12:10 PM, this is what Vir Campestris wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 15/10/2023 20:01, Andy Burns wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Andy
>>>>>>>>> You can also click on the little 'twisty' to toggle the headers
>>>>>>>>> in the thread pane to collapsed / expanded.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What is that 'twisty', do you have a photo or screenshot?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://postimg.cc/qgQ29WGv
>>>>>>> It's at the beginning of every expandable item practically
>>>>>>> everywhere in TB.  In this pic it's a down arrow.  I changed the
>>>>>>> icon via css. It looks like a 'v' otherwise.   If I collapse the
>>>>>>> threads it changes to -> an arrow pointing right. It twists as
>>>>>>> you click it, thus the term twisty.  This is a TB term used the
>>>>>>> DOM/programmers stuff.
>>>>>>> You see it in front of your news servers, local folders etc so
>>>>>>> you can expand and collapse them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ah, of course. But it collapses/expand just one thread.
>>>>>>
>>>>> * does the lot
>>>>
>>>> I know. * expands, \ collapses.
>>>>
>>>> But I thought, reading this thread, that there was a mouse click
>>>> somewhere that did the same.
>>>>
>>> So you say you don't have the twisty like this, see arrow.
>>> https://i.postimg.cc/W3X5F0q1/Thread-collapsed.png
>>> and when clicked you get this, see arrow.
>>> https://i.postimg.cc/SRRDWjc7/Thread-expanded.png
>>
>> Yes, I have them.
>>
>> I just thought, wrongly, that you were talking about somewhere to
>> click with the mouse and it would collapse/expand *all* threads. An
>> equivalent of the '\' or '*' keys.
>>
>
> If you look at your column headings, one of them is "Thread".
> If checked, you will see an icon for "Toggle message threads".
> Click on that.

That just switches between threaded view/linear view. I'm talking of a
button to expand all threads.

> Since I prefer the keyboard, I press the Spacebar while focused on it to
> do the same thing.

No, this is '\' vs '*'.

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On 19/10/2023 17:27, Big Al wrote:
> On 10/19/23 11:06 AM, this is what Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2023-10-19 14:58, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 19/10/2023 13:01, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>> On 2023-10-19 13:30, Big Al wrote:
>>>>> On 10/19/23 05:26 AM, this is what Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>>>> On 2023-10-19 05:13, Big Al wrote:
>>>>>>> On 10/18/23 12:10 PM, this is what Vir Campestris wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 15/10/2023 20:01, Andy Burns wrote:
>>
>> ...
>>
>>>>>>>> Andy
>>>>>>> You can also click on the little 'twisty' to toggle the headers
>>>>>>> in the thread pane to collapsed / expanded.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What is that 'twisty', do you have a photo or screenshot?
>>>>>>
>>>>> https://postimg.cc/qgQ29WGv
>>>>> It's at the beginning of every expandable item practically
>>>>> everywhere in TB.  In this pic it's a down arrow.  I changed the
>>>>> icon via css. It looks like a 'v' otherwise.   If I collapse the
>>>>> threads it changes to -> an arrow pointing right. It twists as you
>>>>> click it, thus the term twisty.  This is a TB term used the
>>>>> DOM/programmers stuff.
>>>>> You see it in front of your news servers, local folders etc so you
>>>>> can expand and collapse them.
>>>>
>>>> Ah, of course. But it collapses/expand just one thread.
>>>>
>>> * does the lot
>>
>> I know. * expands, \ collapses.
>>
>> But I thought, reading this thread, that there was a mouse click
>> somewhere that did the same.
>>
> So you say you don't have the twisty like this, see arrow.
I do

> https://i.postimg.cc/W3X5F0q1/Thread-collapsed.png
> and when clicked you get this, see arrow.I don't.

> https://i.postimg.cc/SRRDWjc7/Thread-expanded.png

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....than to have answers that cannot be questioned

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On 10/19/2023 3:22 PM, alan_m wrote:
> On 19/10/2023 17:27, Big Al wrote:
>> On 10/19/23 11:06 AM, this is what Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> On 2023-10-19 14:58, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 19/10/2023 13:01, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>>> On 2023-10-19 13:30, Big Al wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/19/23 05:26 AM, this is what Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2023-10-19 05:13, Big Al wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 10/18/23 12:10 PM, this is what Vir Campestris wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 15/10/2023 20:01, Andy Burns wrote:
>>>
>>> ...
>>>

>> So you say you don't have the twisty like this, see arrow.
>> https://i.postimg.cc/W3X5F0q1/Thread-collapsed.png
>> and when clicked you get this, see arrow.
>
> If you want that on the toolbar right click on the tool bar and from the
> list of things that cam be displayed on the toolbar select "thread"
>
>> https://i.postimg.cc/SRRDWjc7/Thread-expanded.png
>
Which tool bar are you talking about? When I go to "View" one of the
drop down choices is "Toolbars" and within that selection there are 4
different items, Menu Bar, Quick Filter Bar, Spaces Toolbar, and Status
Bar. Below those 4 there's a choice to select Customize. When I choose
customize, a whole bunch of icons inside squares with the name of the
function appear but none of them say Thread. I've also tried right
clicking on every bar on my display and either nothing happens or other
options appear, none of which are Thread. The only way I get to threads
is from the drop down menu when I click on View. I'm using 15.3.3. 64 bit.

On 20/10/2023 15:59, Retirednoguilt wrote:
> On 10/19/2023 3:22 PM, alan_m wrote:
>> On 19/10/2023 17:27, Big Al wrote:
>>> On 10/19/23 11:06 AM, this is what Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>> On 2023-10-19 14:58, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>> On 19/10/2023 13:01, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>>>> On 2023-10-19 13:30, Big Al wrote:
>>>>>>> On 10/19/23 05:26 AM, this is what Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2023-10-19 05:13, Big Al wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 10/18/23 12:10 PM, this is what Vir Campestris wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 15/10/2023 20:01, Andy Burns wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ...
>>>>
>
>>> So you say you don't have the twisty like this, see arrow.
>>> https://i.postimg.cc/W3X5F0q1/Thread-collapsed.png
>>> and when clicked you get this, see arrow.
>>
>> If you want that on the toolbar right click on the tool bar and from the
>> list of things that cam be displayed on the toolbar select "thread"
>>
>>> https://i.postimg.cc/SRRDWjc7/Thread-expanded.png
>>
> Which tool bar are you talking about? When I go to "View" one of the
> drop down choices is "Toolbars" and within that selection there are 4
> different items, Menu Bar, Quick Filter Bar, Spaces Toolbar, and Status
> Bar. Below those 4 there's a choice to select Customize. When I choose
> customize, a whole bunch of icons inside squares with the name of the
> function appear but none of them say Thread. I've also tried right
> clicking on every bar on my display and either nothing happens or other
> options appear, none of which are Thread. The only way I get to threads
> is from the drop down menu when I click on View. I'm using 15.3.3. 64 bit.

Sorry wrong terminology
At the top of usenet articles/postings window there is a bar with
"subject", "from" "date" etc. There is a range of things that can be
displayed on or removed from this bar. If you place your mouse on the
bar and right click a list appears. The "thread" option will put an icon
on this bar.
Clicking this icon will toggle between expanding all threads and
collapsing all threads - the equivalent to the to pressing the \ or *
keys but witha single click of the mouse.
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On 20/10/2023 23:21, alan_m wrote:
> On 20/10/2023 15:59, Retirednoguilt wrote:
>> On 10/19/2023 3:22 PM, alan_m wrote:
>>> On 19/10/2023 17:27, Big Al wrote:
>>>> On 10/19/23 11:06 AM, this is what Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>>> On 2023-10-19 14:58, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>> On 19/10/2023 13:01, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2023-10-19 13:30, Big Al wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 10/19/23 05:26 AM, this is what Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2023-10-19 05:13, Big Al wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 10/18/23 12:10 PM, this is what Vir Campestris wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/10/2023 20:01, Andy Burns wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>
>>>> So you say you don't have the twisty like this, see arrow.
>>>> https://i.postimg.cc/W3X5F0q1/Thread-collapsed.png
>>>> and when clicked you get this, see arrow.
>>>
>>> If you want that on the toolbar right click on the tool bar and from the
>>> list of things that cam be displayed on the toolbar select "thread"
>>>
>>>> https://i.postimg.cc/SRRDWjc7/Thread-expanded.png
>>>
>>   Which tool bar are you talking about?  When I go to "View" one of the
>> drop down choices is "Toolbars" and within that selection there are 4
>> different items, Menu Bar, Quick Filter Bar, Spaces Toolbar, and Status
>> Bar.  Below those 4 there's a choice to select Customize.  When I choose
>> customize, a whole bunch of icons inside squares with the name of the
>> function appear but none of them say Thread.  I've also tried right
>> clicking on every bar on my display and either nothing happens or other
>> options appear, none of which are Thread.  The only way I get to threads
>> is from the drop down menu when I click on View.  I'm using 15.3.3. 64
>> bit.
>
>
> Sorry wrong terminology
> At the top of usenet articles/postings window there is a bar with
> "subject", "from" "date" etc. There is a range of things that can be
> displayed on or removed from this bar.  If you place your mouse on the
> bar and right click a list appears. The "thread" option will put an icon
> on this bar.
> Clicking this icon will toggle between expanding all threads and
> collapsing all threads - the equivalent to the to pressing the \ or *
> keys but witha single click of the mouse.

Sorry again, that icon doesn't collapse threads - it reorders them,

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On 2023-10-21 00:26, alan_m wrote:
> On 20/10/2023 23:21, alan_m wrote:
>> On 20/10/2023 15:59, Retirednoguilt wrote:
>>> On 10/19/2023 3:22 PM, alan_m wrote:
>>>> On 19/10/2023 17:27, Big Al wrote:
>>>>> On 10/19/23 11:06 AM, this is what Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>>>> On 2023-10-19 14:58, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>>> On 19/10/2023 13:01, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2023-10-19 13:30, Big Al wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 10/19/23 05:26 AM, this is what Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-10-19 05:13, Big Al wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/18/23 12:10 PM, this is what Vir Campestris wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/10/2023 20:01, Andy Burns wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>> So you say you don't have the twisty like this, see arrow.
>>>>> https://i.postimg.cc/W3X5F0q1/Thread-collapsed.png
>>>>> and when clicked you get this, see arrow.
>>>>
>>>> If you want that on the toolbar right click on the tool bar and from
>>>> the
>>>> list of things that cam be displayed on the toolbar select "thread"
>>>>
>>>>> https://i.postimg.cc/SRRDWjc7/Thread-expanded.png
>>>>
>>>   Which tool bar are you talking about?  When I go to "View" one of the
>>> drop down choices is "Toolbars" and within that selection there are 4
>>> different items, Menu Bar, Quick Filter Bar, Spaces Toolbar, and Status
>>> Bar.  Below those 4 there's a choice to select Customize.  When I choose
>>> customize, a whole bunch of icons inside squares with the name of the
>>> function appear but none of them say Thread.  I've also tried right
>>> clicking on every bar on my display and either nothing happens or other
>>> options appear, none of which are Thread.  The only way I get to threads
>>> is from the drop down menu when I click on View.  I'm using 15.3.3.
>>> 64 bit.
>>
>>
>> Sorry wrong terminology
>> At the top of usenet articles/postings window there is a bar with
>> "subject", "from" "date" etc. There is a range of things that can be
>> displayed on or removed from this bar.  If you place your mouse on the
>> bar and right click a list appears. The "thread" option will put an
>> icon on this bar.
>> Clicking this icon will toggle between expanding all threads and
>> collapsing all threads - the equivalent to the to pressing the \ or *
>> keys but witha single click of the mouse.
>
> Sorry again, that icon doesn't collapse threads - it reorders them,

It activates threads or just a list of posts, sorted.

>

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Carlos E.R.

On 10/20/23 06:21 PM, this is what alan_m wrote:
> On 20/10/2023 15:59, Retirednoguilt wrote:
>> On 10/19/2023 3:22 PM, alan_m wrote:
>>> On 19/10/2023 17:27, Big Al wrote:
>>>> On 10/19/23 11:06 AM, this is what Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>>> On 2023-10-19 14:58, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>> On 19/10/2023 13:01, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2023-10-19 13:30, Big Al wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 10/19/23 05:26 AM, this is what Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2023-10-19 05:13, Big Al wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 10/18/23 12:10 PM, this is what Vir Campestris wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/10/2023 20:01, Andy Burns wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>
>>>> So you say you don't have the twisty like this, see arrow.
>>>> https://i.postimg.cc/W3X5F0q1/Thread-collapsed.png
>>>> and when clicked you get this, see arrow.
>>>
>>> If you want that on the toolbar right click on the tool bar and from the
>>> list of things that cam be displayed on the toolbar select "thread"
>>>
>>>> https://i.postimg.cc/SRRDWjc7/Thread-expanded.png
>>>
>>   Which tool bar are you talking about?  When I go to "View" one of the
>> drop down choices is "Toolbars" and within that selection there are 4
>> different items, Menu Bar, Quick Filter Bar, Spaces Toolbar, and Status
>> Bar.  Below those 4 there's a choice to select Customize.  When I choose
>> customize, a whole bunch of icons inside squares with the name of the
>> function appear but none of them say Thread.  I've also tried right
>> clicking on every bar on my display and either nothing happens or other
>> options appear, none of which are Thread.  The only way I get to threads
>> is from the drop down menu when I click on View.  I'm using 15.3.3. 64 bit.
>
>
> Sorry wrong terminology
> At the top of usenet articles/postings window there is a bar with "subject", "from" "date" etc. There is a range of
> things that can be displayed on or removed from this bar.  If you place your mouse on the bar and right click a list
> appears. The "thread" option will put an icon on this bar.
> Clicking this icon will toggle between expanding all threads and collapsing all threads - the equivalent to the to
> pressing the \ or * keys but witha single click of the mouse.
There is also a very tiny icon on the far right of the message header bar that allows you to select the columns.
Left-click.
I have those "thread icons" as you say but I did not add the "thread" column as you did. They normally appear IMHO.
Is this it? https://i.postimg.cc/SRRDWjc7/Thread-expanded.png The read arrow points to it.
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Al

On 10/20/23 06:36 PM, this is what Big Al wrote:
> On 10/20/23 06:21 PM, this is what alan_m wrote:
>> On 20/10/2023 15:59, Retirednoguilt wrote:
>>> On 10/19/2023 3:22 PM, alan_m wrote:
>>>> On 19/10/2023 17:27, Big Al wrote:
>>>>> On 10/19/23 11:06 AM, this is what Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>>>> On 2023-10-19 14:58, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>>> On 19/10/2023 13:01, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2023-10-19 13:30, Big Al wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 10/19/23 05:26 AM, this is what Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-10-19 05:13, Big Al wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/18/23 12:10 PM, this is what Vir Campestris wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/10/2023 20:01, Andy Burns wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>> So you say you don't have the twisty like this, see arrow.
>>>>> https://i.postimg.cc/W3X5F0q1/Thread-collapsed.png
>>>>> and when clicked you get this, see arrow.
>>>>
>>>> If you want that on the toolbar right click on the tool bar and from the
>>>> list of things that cam be displayed on the toolbar select "thread"
>>>>
>>>>> https://i.postimg.cc/SRRDWjc7/Thread-expanded.png
>>>>
>>>   Which tool bar are you talking about?  When I go to "View" one of the
>>> drop down choices is "Toolbars" and within that selection there are 4
>>> different items, Menu Bar, Quick Filter Bar, Spaces Toolbar, and Status
>>> Bar.  Below those 4 there's a choice to select Customize.  When I choose
>>> customize, a whole bunch of icons inside squares with the name of the
>>> function appear but none of them say Thread.  I've also tried right
>>> clicking on every bar on my display and either nothing happens or other
>>> options appear, none of which are Thread.  The only way I get to threads
>>> is from the drop down menu when I click on View.  I'm using 15.3.3. 64 bit.
>>
>>
>> Sorry wrong terminology
>> At the top of usenet articles/postings window there is a bar with "subject", "from" "date" etc. There is a range of
>> things that can be displayed on or removed from this bar.  If you place your mouse on the bar and right click a list
>> appears. The "thread" option will put an icon on this bar.
>> Clicking this icon will toggle between expanding all threads and collapsing all threads - the equivalent to the to
>> pressing the \ or * keys but witha single click of the mouse.
> There is also a very tiny icon on the far right of the message header bar that allows you to select the columns.
> Left-click.
> I have those "thread icons" as you say but I did not add the "thread" column as you did.  They normally appear IMHO.
> Is this it? https://i.postimg.cc/SRRDWjc7/Thread-expanded.png The read arrow points to it.
That is Mozilla terms is called a twisty. The icon I'm talking about. As you click it, it twists from pointing to the
right to pointing down. It expands and collapses threads. See also Carlos' reply about the thread icon.
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Al

On 10/18/2023 11:10 AM, Vir Campestris wrote:
> On 15/10/2023 20:01, Andy Burns wrote:
>> Harry Bloomfield Esq wrote:
>>
>>> Clicking to read a thread, it would show a few lines of some of the
>>> responses, in the reading panel
>>
>> That's called "conversation view", if you don't like it, go to
>> tools/settings/config editor and change the value of
>> mail.operate_on_msgs_in_collapsed_threads to false.
>
> I guess all the people in the TBird forum don't know about this either.
> Mine is now behaving sanely. Many thanks!
>
> (copied there!)
>
> Andy

Thanks, that is just what I wanted !

Lynn