"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote

>> For the _technical_ purpose of this thread, PulseSMS matters because...
>> a. PulseSMS does everything RCS does (AFAIK) - but that's why I asked.
>
> Are you saying that Pulse replaces the default messaging application,
> sending and receiving SMS, MMS, and RCS?

I'm asking what people "need" from RCS that PulseSMS does not already have.
<https://support.pulsesms.app/hc/en-us/articles/14479737498651-Pulse-SMS-Premium-Features>

>> b. PulseSMS does everything iMessage does (AFAIK) - again why I asked.
>
> Also on iphones, despite Apple refusing to support RCS?

Remember, on the iPhone the ignorant iKooks don't cognate that they're
always logged in, where messages on the iPhone requires Apple tracking them
by that always-on login which Android messaging apps do NOT need to work.

However...

If we discuss a one-to-one comparison of the _features_ that the ignorant
iKooks love about the messaging app - such as being able to message on any
platform and the encryption and cloud services - then (and only then) the
Android user would _also_ need to log into a PulseSMS account.

Just like the iKooks do every day... <https://pulsesms.app/login>

The question for the ignorant iKooks was simply what does their vaunted
iMessage app do that the Android PulseSMS app doesn't do when logged in?
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=xyz.klinker.messenger>

On 2023-09-22 08:57, Wally J wrote:
> "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote
>
>>> For the _technical_ purpose of this thread, PulseSMS matters because...
>>> a. PulseSMS does everything RCS does (AFAIK) - but that's why I asked.
>>
>> Are you saying that Pulse replaces the default messaging application,
>> sending and receiving SMS, MMS, and RCS?
>
> I'm asking what people "need" from RCS that PulseSMS does not already have.
> <https://support.pulsesms.app/hc/en-us/articles/14479737498651-Pulse-SMS-Premium-Features>
>
>>> b. PulseSMS does everything iMessage does (AFAIK) - again why I asked.
>>
>> Also on iphones, despite Apple refusing to support RCS?
>
> Remember, on the iPhone the ignorant iKooks don't cognate that they're
> always logged in, where messages on the iPhone requires Apple tracking them
> by that always-on login which Android messaging apps do NOT need to work.

By their very nature, ALL messaging apps require you to have some kind
of ID.

>
> However...
>
> If we discuss a one-to-one comparison of the _features_ that the ignorant
> iKooks love about the messaging app - such as being able to message on any
> platform and the encryption and cloud services - then (and only then) the
> Android user would _also_ need to log into a PulseSMS account.
>
> Just like the iKooks do every day... <https://pulsesms.app/login>

"First, sign up for an account..."

Wally J wrote:

> I'm asking what people "need" from RCS that PulseSMS does not already have.

If PulseSMS "needs" me to convince my friends to install it, that's an
obstacle compared to RCS. For most users (excluding those who have
specifically disabled it) then Google have blanket enabled RCS.

On 9/22/2023 11:08 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
> Wally J wrote:
>
>> I'm asking what people "need" from RCS that PulseSMS does not already
>> have.
>
> If PulseSMS "needs" me to convince my friends to install it, that's an
> obstacle compared to RCS.  For most users (excluding those who have
> specifically disabled it) then Google have blanket enabled RCS.

Avoid Pulse SMS at all costs. See
<https://www.androidpolice.com/2020/10/29/it-looks-like-pulse-sms-has-been-bought-by-maple-media-get-ready-for-intrusive-ads/>

--
“If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote

>> I'm asking what people "need" from RCS that PulseSMS does not already have.
>
> If PulseSMS "needs" me to convince my friends to install it, that's an
> obstacle compared to RCS. For most users (excluding those who have
> specifically disabled it) then Google have blanket enabled RCS.

PulseSMS is the same as the Google Messages app - but vastly better.
... As such...
PulseSMS works just fine as the _default_ Android messaging app.

In other words, to allay your concerns, I'll emphatically state...
*PulseSMS does NOT need you to "convince your friends" to do anything*

It's just another messaging app - only much better than anything else.
(As far as I'm aware as I've tested _all_ the free messaging apps.)

Better still... for the ignorant Apple iKooks who know nothing...
*PulseSMS is like putting Apple's iMessage on steroids*

*It not only does _everything_ iMessage does for Apple owners*
But it does everything Google's messaging app does for Android owners...
(As far as I am aware...)

To make sure of that statement, that was _why_ I was asking you about RCS.
*Does the PulseSMS SMS/MMS messenger app do what _you_ want RCS for?*
That was my question of you...

And I asked the Apple owners if it does _everything_ iMessage does.
*So far they can't find _anything_ iMessage does that Pulse doesn't do*

Hence, that's why I asked both these questions of the two newsgroups...
1. What does iMessage do that PulseSMS does not do, and,
2. What does RCS give you that you don't already have with PulseSMS.

--
(Btw, changing the default messaging app to PulseSMS is trivial on Andriod,
and yet something that functional & simple is _impossible_ to do on iOS.)

sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote

>>> I'm asking what people "need" from RCS that PulseSMS does not already
>>> have.
>>
>> If PulseSMS "needs" me to convince my friends to install it, that's an
>> obstacle compared to RCS.� For most users (excluding those who have
>> specifically disabled it) then Google have blanket enabled RCS.
>
> Avoid Pulse SMS at all costs. See
> <https://www.androidpolice.com/2020/10/29/it-looks-like-pulse-sms-has-been-bought-by-maple-media-get-ready-for-intrusive-ads/

Jesus Christ.

*Steve is an ignorant idiot* _Steve isn't capable of learning anything_
<https://i.postimg.cc/Qd21dwVw/pulsesms01.jpg> PulseSMS was the best
<https://i.postimg.cc/3RdsFtgX/pulsesms02.jpg> Klinker sold to MapleMedia
<https://i.postimg.cc/1tjcm7KJ/pulsesms03.jpg> 5.4.6.2816 good version
<https://i.postimg.cc/nL8052Vj/pulsesms04.jpg> Pulse Sets Max Image Size
<https://i.postimg.cc/ZR4jYqdJ/pulsesms05.jpg> 2019 is last good version

We covered this in detail umpteen times in its own threads on the Android
newsgroup where the only thing you need to do is use the last known good
version of PulseSMS (which is the version that I'm using as my default).
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/search?q=pulsesms%20last%20known%20good%20version>

Steve's brain is like that of an iKook - frozen in time - unable to learn.
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/OO-0G-_1qeU/m/KCTW97KUBAAJ>

Part of the whole point of using Android is you can load any app you want!
From anywhere you want.

It's no longer shocking how incapable of learning people like Steve are.
He's like the iKooks - who latch onto stale old data - frozen in time.

Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:
> sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote
>
>>>> I'm asking what people "need" from RCS that PulseSMS does not already
>>>> have.
>>>
>>> If PulseSMS "needs" me to convince my friends to install it, that's an
>>> obstacle compared to RCS.� For most users (excluding those who have
>>> specifically disabled it) then Google have blanket enabled RCS.
>>
>> Avoid Pulse SMS at all costs. See
>> <https://www.androidpolice.com/2020/10/29/it-looks-like-pulse-sms-has-been-bought-by-maple-media-get-ready-for-intrusive-ads/
>
> Jesus Christ.
>
> *Steve is an ignorant idiot* _Steve isn't capable of learning anything_
> <https://i.postimg.cc/Qd21dwVw/pulsesms01.jpg> PulseSMS was the best
> <https://i.postimg.cc/3RdsFtgX/pulsesms02.jpg> Klinker sold to MapleMedia
> <https://i.postimg.cc/1tjcm7KJ/pulsesms03.jpg> 5.4.6.2816 good version
> <https://i.postimg.cc/nL8052Vj/pulsesms04.jpg> Pulse Sets Max Image Size
> <https://i.postimg.cc/ZR4jYqdJ/pulsesms05.jpg> 2019 is last good version
>
> We covered this in detail umpteen times in its own threads on the Android
> newsgroup where the only thing you need to do is use the last known good
> version of PulseSMS (which is the version that I'm using as my default).
> <https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/search?q=pulsesms%20last%20known%20good%20version>
>
> Steve's brain is like that of an iKook - frozen in time - unable to learn.
> <https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/OO-0G-_1qeU/m/KCTW97KUBAAJ>
>
> Part of the whole point of using Android is you can load any app you want!
> From anywhere you want.
>
> It's no longer shocking how incapable of learning people like Steve are.
> He's like the iKooks - who latch onto stale old data - frozen in time.

See my other post.

The reason the sms guy is ten years behind on knowledge is he only reads
his own posts. Not anyone else's posts. Just his own.

That's why sms is almost always wrong.

Wally J wrote:

> PulseSMS is the same as the Google Messages app - but vastly better. ...
> As such... PulseSMS works just fine as the default Android messaging
> app. In other words, to allay your concerns, I'll emphatically state...
> PulseSMS does NOT need you to "convince your friends" to do anything
> It's just another messaging app - only much better than anything else.
> (As far as I'm aware as I've tested all the free messaging apps.)

So does it allow me to do anything that Google Messages (with RCS
disabled) can't already do, e.g. send photos without paying MMS charges?

On 9/23/2023 1:50 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
> Wally J wrote:
>
>> PulseSMS is the same as the Google Messages app - but vastly better.
>> ... As such... PulseSMS works just fine as the default Android
>> messaging app. In other words, to allay your concerns, I'll
>> emphatically state... PulseSMS does NOT need you to "convince your
>> friends" to do anything It's just another messaging app - only much
>> better than anything else. (As far as I'm aware as I've tested all the
>> free messaging apps.)
>
> So does it allow me to do anything that Google Messages (with RCS
> disabled) can't already do, e.g. send photos without paying MMS charges?

MMS charges are for data. You can't send MMS without mobile data or Wi-Fi.

Also, while basic PulseSMS is free, it's not free if you want to use it
on other platforms, like Windows. Google Messages is free. Neither is
E2EE for SMS. Google Messages supports RCS which is E2EE.

Personally, I like AirMessage <https://airmessage.org/>. It is free but
you have to set up an OS-X box at home which is not free (you can use a
Mac Mini or a Hackintosh, I bought a used Core i5 Mac Mini for $100). It
allows you to send and receive iMessages on an Android phone or Windows
PC. If you have a lot of people that you contact that use iPhones,
AirMessage is very nice. YMMV.

I know that there are people that hate Meta with irrational passion. But
the reality is that WhatsApp is secure and private and is widely used
all over the world.

--
“If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

sms wrote:

> MMS charges are for data.

In your country perhaps, here there is typically a 50p/MMS charge in
addition to any chargeable data used, SMS on the other hand are
affectively free for most users who typically get unlimited SMS included.

> You can't send MMS without mobile data or Wi-Fi.

Agreed

Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote

>> PulseSMS is the same as the Google Messages app - but vastly better. ...
>> As such... PulseSMS works just fine as the default Android messaging
>> app. In other words, to allay your concerns, I'll emphatically state...
>> PulseSMS does NOT need you to "convince your friends" to do anything
>> It's just another messaging app - only much better than anything else.
>> (As far as I'm aware as I've tested all the free messaging apps.)
>
> So does it allow me to do anything that Google Messages (with RCS
> disabled) can't already do, e.g. send photos without paying MMS charges?

I was asking _you_ that question! :)

Bear in mind, there are TWO MODES for PulseSMS (as far as I can tell)...
a. One uses SMS/MMS protocols
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=xyz.klinker.messenger>
b. The other uses the Internet data connection (not MMS protocol)
<https://home.pulsesms.app/overview/>

I use only the SMS/MMS protocol half of PulseSMS (because the Internet half
requires an account on the PulseSMS mothership server - that's why).
<https://pulsesms.app/login>

For MMS/SMS, long ago I had extremely thoroughly tested _every_ free ad
free messaging app on Android - and at that time (about three phones ago) I
settled on PulseSMS by Klinker - which as been my default ever since.
<https://youtu.be/ohGXwX6zKow>

I love it.
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoTmjoTJBLo>

It does everything I want - for free without ads and without an account.
<https://duckduckgo.com/?hps=1&q=pulsesms&iax=videos&ia=videos>

However.... Klinker sold to Maple Media (which we have a long history
with). Maple Media monetizes the crap out of the software they snatch up.
<https://support.pulsesms.app/hc/en-us/articles/14479737498651-Pulse-SMS-Premium-Features>

But get this... the last known good version of PulseSMS works fine on my
Android phones - which I have upgraded from Android 11 to 13 sans issues.

I wrote about Klinker selling out to Maple Media long ago also, so each
time Steve posts his garbage he just proves to be ignorant that you can
sideload the last known good version of Pulse SMS (free of Maple Media).

As a side note, it no longer shocks me that Steve only reads his own posts
so he proves incapable of learning - which is a trait inherent in iKooks.

Now... to your question... my answer to you (at this moment) is...
*I do not know if it does what _you_ want it to do*

Why not?

Because the way I use it (sans a mothership account!), it's just a default
messaging app. Like every other messaging app that you set to the default.
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypAcAMp2B0Q>

Sure, it's powerful - for example, if you create an account (I don't), you
can do all the neat things that the iMessages app does (because it too
creates an account - where all that magic is done over the Internet).
<https://support.pulsesms.app/hc/en-us/articles/13872381091355-Pulse-SMS-Account>

So the question becomes whether or not the Internet account on the Pulse
SMS servers allows you to NOT PAY for MMS messages.

I do not know the answer to that question.
Do you?
--
The reason I asked the Android group what RCS does that PulseSMS (with an
account) doesn't do is the same reason I asked the iPhone group what
iMessage does that PulseSMS doesn't do - which is to find out the answer.

Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:
> Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote
>
>>> PulseSMS is the same as the Google Messages app - but vastly better. ...
>>> As such... PulseSMS works just fine as the default Android messaging
>>> app. In other words, to allay your concerns, I'll emphatically state...
>>> PulseSMS does NOT need you to "convince your friends" to do anything
>>> It's just another messaging app - only much better than anything else.
>>> (As far as I'm aware as I've tested all the free messaging apps.)
>>
>> So does it allow me to do anything that Google Messages (with RCS
>> disabled) can't already do, e.g. send photos without paying MMS charges?
>
> I was asking _you_ that question! :)
>
> Bear in mind, there are TWO MODES for PulseSMS (as far as I can tell)...
> a. One uses SMS/MMS protocols
> <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=xyz.klinker.messenger>
> b. The other uses the Internet data connection (not MMS protocol)
> <https://home.pulsesms.app/overview/>
>
> I use only the SMS/MMS protocol half of PulseSMS (because the Internet half
> requires an account on the PulseSMS mothership server - that's why).
> <https://pulsesms.app/login>
>
> For MMS/SMS, long ago I had extremely thoroughly tested _every_ free ad
> free messaging app on Android - and at that time (about three phones ago) I
> settled on PulseSMS by Klinker - which as been my default ever since.
> <https://youtu.be/ohGXwX6zKow>
>
> I love it.
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoTmjoTJBLo>
>
> It does everything I want - for free without ads and without an account.
> <https://duckduckgo.com/?hps=1&q=pulsesms&iax=videos&ia=videos>
>
> However.... Klinker sold to Maple Media (which we have a long history
> with). Maple Media monetizes the crap out of the software they snatch up.
> <https://support.pulsesms.app/hc/en-us/articles/14479737498651-Pulse-SMS-Premium-Features>
>
> But get this... the last known good version of PulseSMS works fine on my
> Android phones - which I have upgraded from Android 11 to 13 sans issues.
>
> I wrote about Klinker selling out to Maple Media long ago also, so each
> time Steve posts his garbage he just proves to be ignorant that you can
> sideload the last known good version of Pulse SMS (free of Maple Media).
>
> As a side note, it no longer shocks me that Steve only reads his own posts
> so he proves incapable of learning - which is a trait inherent in iKooks.
>
> Now... to your question... my answer to you (at this moment) is...
> *I do not know if it does what _you_ want it to do*
>
> Why not?
>
> Because the way I use it (sans a mothership account!), it's just a default
> messaging app. Like every other messaging app that you set to the default.
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypAcAMp2B0Q>
>
> Sure, it's powerful - for example, if you create an account (I don't), you
> can do all the neat things that the iMessages app does (because it too
> creates an account - where all that magic is done over the Internet).
> <https://support.pulsesms.app/hc/en-us/articles/13872381091355-Pulse-SMS-Account>
>
> So the question becomes whether or not the Internet account on the Pulse
> SMS servers allows you to NOT PAY for MMS messages.
>
> I do not know the answer to that question.
> Do you?
> --
> The reason I asked the Android group what RCS does that PulseSMS (with an
> account) doesn't do is the same reason I asked the iPhone group what
> iMessage does that PulseSMS doesn't do - which is to find out the answer.

It's a good question whether the internet solves the mms payment problem.
Maybe sms knows the answer to that question?

On 23 Sep 2023 at 4:20:01 PM, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> I know that there are people that hate Meta with irrational passion. But
> the reality is that WhatsApp is secure and private and is widely used
> all over the world.

The apple encryption is not safe because apple decrypts messages whenever
they're legally asked to decrypt your messages. Is meta the same as apple?

Can meta decrypt your whatsapp messages like apple can your icloud backups?
--
Cheers, Quellen

sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> On 9/23/2023 1:50 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
> > Wally J wrote:
> >
> >> PulseSMS is the same as the Google Messages app - but vastly better.
> >> ... As such... PulseSMS works just fine as the default Android
> >> messaging app. In other words, to allay your concerns, I'll
> >> emphatically state... PulseSMS does NOT need you to "convince your
> >> friends" to do anything It's just another messaging app - only much
> >> better than anything else. (As far as I'm aware as I've tested all the
> >> free messaging apps.)
> >
> > So does it allow me to do anything that Google Messages (with RCS
> > disabled) can't already do, e.g. send photos without paying MMS charges?
>
> MMS charges are for data. You can't send MMS without mobile data or Wi-Fi.

Strictly speaking you're correct, but the mobile data used for MMS is
not the same as the mobile data used for Internet. The latter comes from
the data allowance of your plan (or is charged seperately). The former
does come from the MMS allowance (if any) of your plan (or is charged
seperately). At least that's the situation in Europe (and AFAIK in
Australia).

Case in point: If you have (probably had) a 'dumb'/'feature' phone
without Internet capability (or a smartphone without it), you can
send/receive MMS, but your plan has no mention of mobile data.

[...]

> I know that there are people that hate Meta with irrational passion. But
> the reality is that WhatsApp is secure and private and is widely used
> all over the world.

Here, here! There, there! :-) Some people equate WhatsApp to Meta. But
'even' now WhatsApp is part of Meta, it still is not only secure, but
also private, despite what the opponents say (read: 'think').

Their 'reasoning' is "Meta is evil. WhatsApp is part of Meta, so
WhatsApp must be evil as well." and later they further distort the
latter part to "so WhatsApp is evil as well."

The opponents have been proven wrong several times by facts, tests and
- last but not least - WhatsApp's legal documents, but that didn't
change their conspiracy theories.

Bottom line: Yes, I/we use WhatsApp without any security/privacy
issues whatsoever. And no, I do *not* have a Facebook or Instagram or
<whatever> account.

Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote

> Here, here! There, there! :-) Some people equate WhatsApp to Meta. But
> 'even' now WhatsApp is part of Meta, it still is not only secure, but
> also private, despite what the opponents say (read: 'think').

Frank Slootweg is correct in this response that WA is 'more private' than
Meta where Frank has shown in the past that the upload of your contacts is
reduced to a matching hash which is all that the WA servers store on you.

As for whether WA know the decryption key to your messages like insecure
Apple servers do - I do not know - it's up to Frank to clarify that issue.

On 9/23/2023 2:27 PM, Frank Slootweg wrote:

<snip>

> Case in point: If you have (probably had) a 'dumb'/'feature' phone
> without Internet capability (or a smartphone without it), you can
> send/receive MMS, but your plan has no mention of mobile data.

Yes, I recall that. But I don't recall if the carrier was charging extra
for MMS back then.

>> I know that there are people that hate Meta with irrational passion. But
>> the reality is that WhatsApp is secure and private and is widely used
>> all over the world.
>
> Here, here! There, there! :-) Some people equate WhatsApp to Meta. But
> 'even' now WhatsApp is part of Meta, it still is not only secure, but
> also private, despite what the opponents say (read: 'think').
>
> Their 'reasoning' is "Meta is evil. WhatsApp is part of Meta, so
> WhatsApp must be evil as well." and later they further distort the
> latter part to "so WhatsApp is evil as well."
>
> The opponents have been proven wrong several times by facts, tests and
> - last but not least - WhatsApp's legal documents, but that didn't
> change their conspiracy theories.
>
> Bottom line: Yes, I/we use WhatsApp without any security/privacy
> issues whatsoever. And no, I do *not* have a Facebook or Instagram or
> <whatever> account.

Whatever. You're never going to get them to accept that fact.

--
“If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

On 9/23/2023 1:52 PM, Peter wrote:

<snip>

> It's a good question whether the internet solves the mms payment problem.
> Maybe sms knows the answer to that question?

The PulseSMS Android app is just a replacement for the stock SMS/MMS app
and the SMS/MMS are still going through your carrier. So you'd still be
charged if your carrier chargers per message.

If you use the non-free web interface for Pulse SMS then your carrier
could not charge you. Not sure what phone number shows up as the SMS/MMS
originating from when you use the web app. With Google Voice it's your
Google Voice number.

--
“If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

On Sat, 23 Sep 2023 15:02:29 -0500, sms wrote:

> If you use the non-free web interface for Pulse SMS then your carrier
> could not charge you. Not sure what phone number shows up as the SMS/MMS
> originating from when you use the web app. With Google Voice it's your
> Google Voice number.

We need to ask Andy Burns, who brought up the MMS-payment issue, whether
logging into the PulseSMS via the web on his Android then solves his issue.

On 2023-09-23, Quellen <quellennospam@gmx.com> wrote:
> On 23 Sep 2023 at 4:20:01 PM, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>> I know that there are people that hate Meta with irrational passion. But
>> the reality is that WhatsApp is secure and private and is widely used
>> all over the world.
>
> The apple encryption is not safe

As usual, your lazy trolls desperately try to escape the nuance truth:

* The most critical iCloud data is end-to-end encrypted with keys Apple
does not hold.

* Some iCloud data is encrypted with keys Apple holds, which are stored
separately and only used for account recovery and when authorities
request it through proper channels by serving Apple with a court order
signed by a judge.

* For customers who have enabled Advanced Data Protection, *all* iCloud
data is end-to-end encrypted with keys Apple does not hold, which
means nobody else (not Apple, not authorities, not anyone but the
customer) can access it.

> because apple decrypts messages whenever they're legally asked to
> decrypt your messages.

Interesting that you are only concerned with messages, and only that
authorities may legally access them. Begs the question: what illegal
things are you are hiding in your messages? Child pornography, perhaps?
Worse?

> Is meta the same as apple?

Far, far worse.

--
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

On 2023-09-23 15:13, Quellen wrote:
> On 23 Sep 2023 at 4:20:01 PM, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>> I know that there are people that hate Meta with irrational passion. But
>> the reality is that WhatsApp is secure and private and is widely used
>> all over the world.
>
> The apple encryption is not safe because apple decrypts messages whenever
> they're legally asked to decrypt your messages.

What? A company incorporated in the United States of America that is
beholden to the laws of the same nation will, upon presentation of a
duly executed warrant from the judicial branch, furnish that information
in accordance with the court order executed per the laws of said nation?

Scandal! Outrageous! Call your congressman![1].

(And, Pro Tip, as previously mentioned by JR, if you use Advanced Data
Protection, then nobody can access that data but you because only you
hold the keys).

[1] Please make it MTG, Matt Gaetz, Lauren Boebert and the other brain
trust members of the GOP - watching them put their mud caked feet in
their mouths is cheap thrill fun for everyone.

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On 2023-09-23 3:13 p.m., Quellen wrote:
> On 23 Sep 2023 at 4:20:01 PM, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>> I know that there are people that hate Meta with irrational passion. But
>> the reality is that WhatsApp is secure and private and is widely used
>> all over the world.
>
> The apple encryption is not safe because apple decrypts messages whenever
> they're legally asked to decrypt your messages. Is meta the same as apple?
>
> Can meta decrypt your whatsapp messages like apple can your icloud backups?

Every corporation which operates in the United States will decrypt when
requested to. Apple, Microsoft, Meta and Alphabet are not exceptions to
the rule. Even if they were to defend the user by blocking such requests
by law enforcement, they would be setting themselves as targets for all
sorts of legal ramifications.

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On 9/23/23 13:47, Wally J wrote:
> However.... Klinker sold to Maple Media (which we have a long history
> with). Maple Media monetizes the crap out of the software they snatch up.
> <https://support.pulsesms.app/hc/en-us/articles/14479737498651-Pulse-SMS-Premium-Features>
>
> But get this... the last known good version of PulseSMS works fine on my
> Android phones - which I have upgraded from Android 11 to 13 sans issues.

Is it still possible to download the older version?
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candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
> On 9/23/23 13:47, Wally J wrote:
> > However.... Klinker sold to Maple Media (which we have a long history
> > with). Maple Media monetizes the crap out of the software they snatch up.
> > <https://support.pulsesms.app/hc/en-us/articles/14479737498651-Pulse-SMS-Premium-Features>
> >
> > But get this... the last known good version of PulseSMS works fine on my
> > Android phones - which I have upgraded from Android 11 to 13 sans issues.
>
> Is it still possible to download the older version?

I don't what "the last known good version of PulseSMS" is (I don't
think 'Wally J' (aka 'Arlen Holder') bothered to mention version
numbers), but apkpure.com has PulseSMS versions as 'old' as 5.5.2.2849
of (supposedly) Jul 16, 2021.

On 9/24/23 13:24, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> think 'Wally J' (aka 'Arlen Holder')
OH that's why they're calling you Arlen ok I was confused about that
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On 9/24/2023 1:28 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
> On 9/24/23 13:24, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>> think 'Wally J' (aka 'Arlen Holder')
> OH that's why they're calling you Arlen ok I was confused about that

LOL, he has so many aliases, to bypass people's filters, that you'd be
hard-pressed to keep track!

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