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Re: Opinions on Wayland?

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From: ldo@nz.invalid (Lawrence D'Oliveiro)
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Subject: Re: Opinions on Wayland?
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by: Lawrence D'Oliv - Tue, 23 Jan 2024 07:33 UTC

On Mon, 22 Jan 2024 23:02:56 -0000 (UTC), Blue-Maned_Hawk wrote:

> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 16:30:20 -0000 (UTC), Blue-Maned_Hawk wrote:
>>
>>> My point is that saying “just don't use it if you don't like it”
>>> assumes that people have that choice available to them. Many don't.
>>
>> The ones who use Open Source do.
>
> There are many situations where they don't, such as if they're required
> to use a piece of software for work or if they can't afford the hardware
> to run anything but a particular piece of software.

Nobody is “required” to use any particular piece of Open Source for work.
Quite the opposite.

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by: Blue-Maned_Hawk - Tue, 23 Jan 2024 22:31 UTC

Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> On Mon, 22 Jan 2024 23:02:56 -0000 (UTC), Blue-Maned_Hawk wrote:
>
>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 16:30:20 -0000 (UTC), Blue-Maned_Hawk wrote:
>>>
>>>> My point is that saying “just don't use it if you don't like it”
>>>> assumes that people have that choice available to them. Many don't.
>>>
>>> The ones who use Open Source do.
>>
>> There are many situations where they don't, such as if they're required
>> to use a piece of software for work or if they can't afford the
>> hardware to run anything but a particular piece of software.
>
> Nobody is “required” to use any particular piece of Open Source for
> work.
> Quite the opposite.

Okay, please give evidence for that.

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by: Lawrence D'Oliv - Wed, 24 Jan 2024 04:45 UTC

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by: Blue-Maned_Hawk - Thu, 25 Jan 2024 22:42 UTC

Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> On Tue, 23 Jan 2024 22:31:08 -0000 (UTC), Blue-Maned_Hawk wrote:
>
>>> Nobody is “required” to use any particular piece of Open Source for
>>> work. Quite the opposite.
>>
>> Okay, please give evidence for that.
>
> Because of the “free as in freedom” part.

One's boss can force them to use a certain piece of software, threatening
them with the sentence of firing and the noose of poverty if they don't.

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by: Lawrence D'Oliv - Thu, 25 Jan 2024 23:33 UTC

On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 22:42:13 -0000 (UTC), Blue-Maned_Hawk wrote:

> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 23 Jan 2024 22:31:08 -0000 (UTC), Blue-Maned_Hawk wrote:
>>
>>>> Nobody is “required” to use any particular piece of Open Source for
>>>> work. Quite the opposite.
>>>
>>> Okay, please give evidence for that.
>>
>> Because of the “free as in freedom” part.
>
> One's boss can force them to use a certain piece of software,
> threatening them with the sentence of firing and the noose of poverty if
> they don't.

As if they can’t get a job elsewhere ...

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by: The Natural Philosop - Fri, 26 Jan 2024 02:38 UTC

On 25/01/2024 23:33, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 22:42:13 -0000 (UTC), Blue-Maned_Hawk wrote:
>
>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 23 Jan 2024 22:31:08 -0000 (UTC), Blue-Maned_Hawk wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Nobody is “required” to use any particular piece of Open Source for
>>>>> work. Quite the opposite.
>>>>
>>>> Okay, please give evidence for that.
>>>
>>> Because of the “free as in freedom” part.
>>
>> One's boss can force them to use a certain piece of software,
>> threatening them with the sentence of firing and the noose of poverty if
>> they don't.
>
> As if they can’t get a job elsewhere ...

Many can't.

I found it deeply depressing that some of my employees were really crap
and frankly If I had known I wouldn't have employed them.

But they had families to support. So I kept them on. On pretty low
wages. They never left.

Mostly these people end up in admin in the NHS. Or some other public
sector organisation.

--
Labour - a bunch of rich people convincing poor people to vote for rich
people by telling poor people that "other" rich people are the reason
they are poor.

Peter Thompson

Re: Opinions on Wayland?

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by: immibis - Fri, 26 Jan 2024 02:42 UTC

On 1/26/24 00:33, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 22:42:13 -0000 (UTC), Blue-Maned_Hawk wrote:
>
>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 23 Jan 2024 22:31:08 -0000 (UTC), Blue-Maned_Hawk wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Nobody is “required” to use any particular piece of Open Source for
>>>>> work. Quite the opposite.
>>>>
>>>> Okay, please give evidence for that.
>>>
>>> Because of the “free as in freedom” part.
>>
>> One's boss can force them to use a certain piece of software,
>> threatening them with the sentence of firing and the noose of poverty if
>> they don't.
>
> As if they can’t get a job elsewhere ...

At another place where they can be forced to use a certain piece of
software.

Subject	Author
Opinions on Wayland?	The Natural Philosopher
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	Marco Moock
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	The Natural Philosopher
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	Computer Nerd Kev
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	Lawrence D'Oliveiro
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	The Natural Philosopher
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	Blue-Maned_Hawk
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	Lawrence D'Oliveiro
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	Computer Nerd Kev
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	The Natural Philosopher
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	Computer Nerd Kev
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	immibis
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	The Natural Philosopher
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	Robert Riches
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	Blue-Maned_Hawk
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	John McCue
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	Marco Moock
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	Charlie Gibbs
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	John McCue
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	Marco Moock
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	Blue-Maned_Hawk
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	Anssi Saari
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	Dan Espen
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	Marco Moock
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	The Natural Philosopher
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	The Natural Philosopher
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	immibis
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	Marco Moock
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	Blue-Maned_Hawk
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	The Natural Philosopher
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	Charlie Gibbs
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	immibis
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	Blue-Maned_Hawk
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	The Natural Philosopher
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	Blue-Maned_Hawk
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	Lawrence D'Oliveiro
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	The Natural Philosopher
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	Blue-Maned_Hawk
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	immibis
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	Bud Frede
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	The Natural Philosopher
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	Joerg Walther
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	The Natural Philosopher
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	Joerg Walther
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	Joerg Walther
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	Lew Pitcher
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	The Natural Philosopher
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	Lew Pitcher
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	Pancho
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	Marco Moock
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	Marc Haber
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	Marco Moock
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	Dan Espen
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	Lew Pitcher
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	The Natural Philosopher
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	Pancho
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	The Natural Philosopher
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	Marco Moock
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	Marc Haber
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	Marco Moock
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	Computer Nerd Kev
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	Marco Moock
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	Blue-Maned_Hawk
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	Rich
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	Pancho
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	The Natural Philosopher
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	Blue-Maned_Hawk
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	The Natural Philosopher
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	Pancho
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	The Natural Philosopher
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	Pancho
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	The Natural Philosopher
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	Blue-Maned_Hawk
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	Lawrence D'Oliveiro
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	Lew Pitcher
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	Blue-Maned_Hawk
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	The Natural Philosopher
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	Blue-Maned_Hawk
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	Marco Moock
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	Tom Furie
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	The Natural Philosopher
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	Computer Nerd Kev
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	Blue-Maned_Hawk
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	immibis
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	Lawrence D'Oliveiro
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	The Natural Philosopher
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	immibis
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	Blue-Maned_Hawk
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	Lawrence D'Oliveiro
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	Charlie Gibbs
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	Charlie Gibbs
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	Blue-Maned_Hawk
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	immibis
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	Blue-Maned_Hawk
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	immibis
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	Blue-Maned_Hawk
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	Andy Burns
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	immibis
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	The Natural Philosopher
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	immibis
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	Rich
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	Blue-Maned_Hawk
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	The Natural Philosopher
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	immibis
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	Blue-Maned_Hawk
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	immibis
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	Blue-Maned_Hawk
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	Marco Moock
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	The Natural Philosopher
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	Lawrence D'Oliveiro
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	Marco Moock
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	immibis
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	John McCue
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	The Natural Philosopher
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	Marco Moock
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	immibis
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	rek2 hispagatos
Re: Opinions on Wayland?	Woozy Song