DFS wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> But as noted, GuhNoo just stole everything they could from Unix: the
> file layout structure, the utility names and functionality, and even the
> incorporation of 'Unix' into their silly recursive name.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Project

Richard Stallman announced his intent to start coding the GNU Project in a
Usenet message in September 1983.[9] Despite never having used Unix prior,
Stallman felt that it was the most appropriate system design to use as a
basis for the GNU Project, as it was portable and "fairly clean".

When the GNU project first started they had an Emacs text editor with Lisp
for writing editor commands, a source level debugger, a yacc-compatible
parser generator, and a linker. The GNU system required its own C
compiler and tools to be free software, so these also had to be
developed. By June 1987, the project had accumulated and developed free
software for an assembler, an almost finished portable optimizing C
compiler (GCC), an editor (GNU Emacs), and various Unix utilities (such
as ls, grep, awk, make and ld). They had an initial kernel that
needed more updates.

. . .

In 2001, the GNU Project received the USENIX Lifetime Achievement Award for
"the ubiquity, breadth, and quality of its freely available redistributable
and modifiable software, which has enabled a generation of research and
commercial development".

--
There is no distinctly native American criminal class except Congress.
-- Mark Twain

candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid>
wrote:

>> I prefer desktop Linux to what I had with Win11.
>
>Same, but W10.

Win10 20H2 was current when I first booted this box, in 2021. Needless
to say, it didn't even feel bloated, initially. And the upgrade to 11
was painless. But by the time I switched back to Linux (back in that
I had run it on the old computer for a good period), it was starting
to go that route. Win12 would've been OK with my 32 GB RAM upgrade,
but it's like why put up with something that maxes out my box. Fuck
M$. Hail Stallman and Torvalds, and the whole community.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:

>> I prefer desktop Linux to what I had with Win11.
>
>You don't have to convince me - just yourself.
>
>"Win10/11 gives me more enjoyment [than Linux], in using my machine."
>"I love Windows" 5x
>"I will probably never run Linux again"
>
>- Joel in the very recent past

OK, but I didn't stick to that, I gave you my Winblows product key. I
clearly prefer Linux, after the grace period with M$ wore off.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 4/11/2024 12:33 PM, Joel wrote:

> Hail Stallman

You misspelled jail.

The creep believes child sexual abuse videos shouldn't be removed from
the Internet, because that would be 'censorship', and in his warped mind
censorship is worse than pedos having easy access to videos of children
being sexually abused.

You have to be a real fuckin' lowlife to "Hail Stallman".

DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:

>> Hail Stallman
>
>You misspelled jail.
>
>The creep believes child sexual abuse videos shouldn't be removed from
>the Internet, because that would be 'censorship', and in his warped mind
>censorship is worse than pedos having easy access to videos of children
>being sexually abused.

That doesn't negate the value of GNU to computing.

>You have to be a real fuckin' lowlife to "Hail Stallman".

I don't agree with tolerating child porn, if you must know my opinion.
Lock the bastards up (I even have a friend who's in fed prison for
it).

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On Apr 11, 2024 at 8:46:29 AM EDT, "DFS" <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:

> Note: it's payware, but I still consider MS Office the best software
> value in history. I won't accept ANY other office suite, free of cost
> or not, because I KNOW they ALL pale in comparison to MSO.

Only now is Office "the best software value in history" since you can get
Office Pro 2021 (Word, Excel, PowerPoint, Outlook, Teams, OneNote, Publisher
and Access) for under $50. 20 years ago when Office was $500 it was not a good
value at all.

Don't even get me started on the $100 per year for life Office 365.

Even Windows 11 can be had for around $30. MS is not making money on desktop
software these days. Now the money is all in Azure cloud services, which is
around 90% Linux.

On 4/11/2024 2:41 PM, Tyrone wrote:
> On Apr 11, 2024 at 8:46:29 AM EDT, "DFS" <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>
>> Note: it's payware, but I still consider MS Office the best software
>> value in history. I won't accept ANY other office suite, free of cost
>> or not, because I KNOW they ALL pale in comparison to MSO.
>
> Only now is Office "the best software value in history" since you can get
> Office Pro 2021 (Word, Excel, PowerPoint, Outlook, Teams, OneNote, Publisher
> and Access) for under $50. 20 years ago when Office was $500 it was not a good
> value at all.

If you made money off it, $500 wasn't a bad deal. Even back then, you
could easily make that in 2 days.

> Don't even get me started on the $100 per year for life Office 365.

I know. I'll never pay for a software subscription, unless I make a lot
of money off the app (like I used to with MS Office).

I'm still using Office 2003. No need to upgrade just because.

> Even Windows 11 can be had for around $30.

Or far less. I recently got a valid Win11 Pro key (supposedly retail,
not OEM) for $7 from Gamers Outlet. I'm using it now.

> MS is not making money on desktop software these days.

Of course MS is still making HUGE money on desktop software.

4 years ago MS had 258M paid Office seats.

And people and companies are buying a metric shitload of other MS code.

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/products/export/

Looks like everything they released this century. There are 2712
product/edition/release combinations.

Unfortunately, the clown that produces that file isn't smart enough to
put a header row in - or they hid the labels - but the columns are:

Product
Edition
Release
SupportPolicy
StartDate
MainstreamDate
ExtendedEndDate
RetirementDate
ReleaseStartDate
ReleaseEndDate
DocsUrl

> Now the money is all in Azure cloud services, which is
> around 90% Linux.

link to this outrageous claim?

On 4/11/2024 11:33 AM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> DFS wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> But as noted, GuhNoo just stole everything they could from Unix: the
>> file layout structure, the utility names and functionality, and even the
>> incorporation of 'Unix' into their silly recursive name.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Project
>
> Richard Stallman announced his intent to start coding the GNU Project in a
> Usenet message in September 1983.[9] Despite never having used Unix prior,
> Stallman felt that it was the most appropriate system design to use as a
> basis for the GNU Project, as it was portable and "fairly clean".

The basis for that last sentence comes from:

https://stallman.org/stallman-computing.html

"I never used Unix (not even for a minute) until after I decided to
develop a free replacement for it (the GNU system). I chose that design
to follow because it was portable and seemed fairly clean. I was never a
fan of Unix; I had some criticisms of it too. But it was ok overall as a
model."

What an insufferable lunatic prick: "I was never a fan of Unix", but
I'll spend years cloning it and ask others to do the same. wtf?

There's a shitload of flame and troll material at that
'stallman-computing' link. The self-important, egotistical blowhard is
too strange for words:

* "the injustice of nonfree software"

* "I never pay for anything on the Web, because that generally requires
running nonfree Javascript code in my browser."

* "I stopped using it [the OLPC] because the OLPC project decided to
make their machine support Windows, so I did not want to appear to
endorse it by visibly carrying it around."

huh?

With that massive belly, he clearly and shamelessly endorses gluttony
and obesity.

> In 2001, the GNU Project received the USENIX Lifetime
Achievement Award for
> "the ubiquity, breadth, and quality of its freely available redistributable
> and modifiable software, which has enabled a generation of research and
> commercial development".

I may deserve the USENIX Flame award for my near 20 years of tireless
work on cola. Vote for DFS!

On 2024-04-11, Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
> On Apr 11, 2024 at 8:46:29 AM EDT, "DFS" <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>
>> Note: it's payware, but I still consider MS Office the best software
>> value in history. I won't accept ANY other office suite, free of cost
>> or not, because I KNOW they ALL pale in comparison to MSO.
>
> Only now is Office "the best software value in history" since you can get
> Office Pro 2021 (Word, Excel, PowerPoint, Outlook, Teams, OneNote, Publisher
> and Access) for under $50. 20 years ago when Office was $500 it was not a good
> value at all.

To me it's still not a good value — even if it was free I wouldn't use it.
Never liked it the way it tried to think for you.

To each their own.

> Don't even get me started on the $100 per year for life Office 365.
>
> Even Windows 11 can be had for around $30. MS is not making money on desktop
> software these days. Now the money is all in Azure cloud services, which is
> around 90% Linux.

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

Tyrone wrote:

>Only now is Office "the best software value in history" since you can get
>Office Pro 2021 (Word, Excel, PowerPoint, Outlook, Teams, OneNote, Publisher
>and Access) for under $50. 20 years ago when Office was $500 it was not a good
>value at all.

Thank you, FOSS community, for driving-down the price of useful
software.

--
"FOSS isn't real competition. Anything given away is not competing
with a for-sale product." - DumFSck, lying shamelessly

Le 10-04-2024, Lester Thorpe <lt@gnu.rocks> a écrit :
> Microslop, the world's richest company, is also the world's biggest
> leecher:
>
> https://aussie.zone/post/8540166

Thanks for that.

> Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha! The world's highest paid software
> engineers have to go begging to a FOSS project for assistance and
> then expect immediate, high priority attention just because they
> are Microslop.

That's the real issue. There is nothing wrong i using FOSS for a big
company. But expecting high priority assistance for free is really
scandalous.

--
Si vous avez du temps à perdre :
https://scarpet42.gitlab.io

Le 10-04-2024, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> a écrit :
> On 4/10/2024 10:29 AM, Lying Larry Pietraskiewicz wrote:
>
>
>> Microslop, the world's richest company, is also the world's biggest
>> leecher:
>
> The biggest technical mooch in history is GuhNoo freeloading off the
> design, names and functionality of Unix.

As I don't really know if you are seriously mistaken or trolling, I'll
answer seriously.

They were mostly following a norm, the POSIX norm. There is nothing
wrong in following a norm. That's what you do when you program in C. You
follow the norm. Like that, you can use any C compiler for your code.
And when you share your code, you don't have to tell which compiler they
need to use.

As the POSIX norm is a little bit outdated, Linux don't always follow it
(and it pisses off some BSD users who can be stuck in the past). When
one says Linux is an UNIX, it's in the broad sense, not in the exact
sense because it's not certified (it has been once years ago but it's
expensive and useless now).

> "Starting this Thanksgiving I am going to write a complete
> Unix-compatible software system called GNU (for Gnu's Not Unix), and
> give it away free to everyone who can use it." - Wretched Richard
> Stallman Sep 27 1983

Yes, exactly. He chose to follow the norm, not to steal the code.

> He failed in his mission, of course, but thanks to Torvalds his dream of
> being an OS parasite and "commercial software killer" was realized.

The OS parasite is the future of your lovely Microsoft foundation. I said
it before, you believe I'm dreaming, but I'll explain it again because all
of the evidences point to it.

The big money for Microsoft is in the cloud, not in the Windows OS
installed on personal computers. It means: Azure for the companies and
Microsoft 365 for everyone. For that, you need only a browser, not a
full OS. And the browser is Edge. Which is not a real Microsoft browser.
It's a Microsoft GUI running Chromium.

And they'll do the same with Windows. It's obvious. It will be far less
expensive for them to run only their GUI on a Linux kernel than to
support a full OF. Linux gives already the possibility to choose your
own Window Manager, there is nothing to adapt for it. Twenty years ago,
it was really difficult to find Linux drivers when you bought some
hardware. It's not the case anymore. I know, for printers it's not that
true, but printers are difficult to use with Windows, too (not when you
buy them, on the long run).

So everything is ready for Microsoft. And the first step for this has
already been taken. It's named WSL.

Really, I'm not saying what I'm hopping because I'm not that sure it's
really a good thing for me. I'm saying what everything show.

--
Si vous avez du temps à perdre :
https://scarpet42.gitlab.io

On 4/13/2024 4:28 AM, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
> Le 10-04-2024, Lester Thorpe <lt@gnu.rocks> a écrit :
>> Microslop, the world's richest company, is also the world's biggest
>> leecher:
>>
>> https://aussie.zone/post/8540166
>
> Thanks for that.
>
>> Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha! The world's highest paid software
>> engineers have to go begging to a FOSS project for assistance and
>> then expect immediate, high priority attention just because they
>> are Microslop.
>
> That's the real issue. There is nothing wrong i using FOSS for a big
> company. But expecting high priority assistance for free is really
> scandalous.

Why? They allow the submitter to assign a priority. If they don't want
to address critical bugs first, they shouldn't allow you to assign an
importance.

And you'll never guess who replied to the MS bug report and provided a fix.

https://trac.ffmpeg.org/ticket/10341#comment:4

(if that's really him. I'd question him spending his time answering
ffmpeg bug reports when he has big companies to run)

On 4/13/2024 4:59 AM, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
> Le 10-04-2024, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> a écrit :
>> On 4/10/2024 10:29 AM, Lying Larry Pietraskiewicz wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Microslop, the world's richest company, is also the world's biggest
>>> leecher:
>>
>> The biggest technical mooch in history is GuhNoo freeloading off the
>> design, names and functionality of Unix.
>
> As I don't really know if you are seriously mistaken or trolling, I'll
> answer seriously.
>
> They were mostly following a norm, the POSIX norm. There is nothing
> wrong in following a norm. That's what you do when you program in C. You
> follow the norm. Like that, you can use any C compiler for your code.
> And when you share your code, you don't have to tell which compiler they
> need to use.

There was no POSIX when Stallman began his scam.

> As the POSIX norm is a little bit outdated, Linux don't always follow it
> (and it pisses off some BSD users who can be stuck in the past). When
> one says Linux is an UNIX, it's in the broad sense, not in the exact
> sense because it's not certified (it has been once years ago but it's
> expensive and useless now).
>
>> "Starting this Thanksgiving I am going to write a complete
>> Unix-compatible software system called GNU (for Gnu's Not Unix), and
>> give it away free to everyone who can use it." - Wretched Richard
>> Stallman Sep 27 1983
>
> Yes, exactly. He chose to follow the norm, not to steal the code.

There was no norm to follow, and to be clear I never claimed they stole
code (which I doubt they could've gotten their grubby hands on anyway).

>> He failed in his mission, of course, but thanks to Torvalds his dream
>> of being an OS parasite and "commercial software killer" was realized.
>
> The OS parasite is the future of your lovely Microsoft foundation. I said
> it before, you believe I'm dreaming, but I'll explain it again because all
> of the evidences point to it.

It doesn't, actually.

> The big money for Microsoft is in the cloud, not in the Windows OS
> installed on personal computers.

Big money? MS generated $100 billion+ in yearly revenue long before
they got into cloud computing.

most recent quarterly results:

Gross revenue $62.0 billion:
* Productivity and Business Processes $19.2 billion
* Intelligent Cloud $25.9 billion
* More Personal Computing $16.9 billion

They also said "Microsoft Cloud revenue is $33.7 billion" - CFO Amy Hood

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/investor/earnings/fy-2024-q2/press-release-webcast

> It means: Azure for the companies and Microsoft 365 for everyone. For
> that, you need only a browser, not a full OS.

"The Network is the Computer", Sun Microsystems 1984

The Chromebook style of computing is fine for children, but very few
adults like it.

> And the browser is Edge. Which is not a real Microsoft browser.
> It's a Microsoft GUI running Chromium.

By that standard, GNU is not a real operating system.

From what I've read, Edge is often considered the best browser on
Windows. It's actually hard to find complaints about it (other than
privacy issues).

But:

"Microsoft Edge is the AI-powered browser."
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/edge?ep=313&form=MA13M0&es=40

AI = ugh

> And they'll do the same with Windows. It's obvious.

cola wackos have made that claim for decades: "The next version of
Windows will probably run on a Linux/BSD kernel!"

All I can say is: Keep hope alive!

MS-hating Linux goons have also been proclaiming "MS is doomed" for
decades, too. But as I've noted before: their world will fade to black
LONG before Microsoft dies.

> It will be far less
> expensive for them to run only their GUI on a Linux kernel than to
> support a full OF. Linux gives already the possibility to choose your
> own Window Manager, there is nothing to adapt for it. Twenty years ago,
> it was really difficult to find Linux drivers when you bought some
> hardware. It's not the case anymore. I know, for printers it's not that
> true, but printers are difficult to use with Windows, too (not when you
> buy them, on the long run).
>
> So everything is ready for Microsoft. And the first step for this has
> already been taken. It's named WSL.

You may be confused.

WSL is nothing more than a Windows application: a well-designed and
well-integrated (into Windows Terminal) lightweight virtual machine
application that currently is dedicated to running a Linux environment.

But MS has had virtual machines for nearly 16 years. Does running
FreeBSD in Windows Hyper-V mean Windows will soon be running the BSD
kernel? No. There's very little difference between that and WSL,
except MS also distributes a Linux kernel to make WSL easy to setup.

> Really, I'm not saying what I'm hopping because I'm not that sure it's
> really a good thing for me. I'm saying what everything show.

That's what it shows YOU. I'm not buying it, at all. It's too much
work for little or no gain.

Le 13-04-2024, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> a écrit :
> On 4/13/2024 4:28 AM, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>> Le 10-04-2024, Lester Thorpe <lt@gnu.rocks> a écrit :
>>> Microslop, the world's richest company, is also the world's biggest
>>> leecher:
>>>
>>> https://aussie.zone/post/8540166
>>
>> Thanks for that.
>>
>>> Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha! The world's highest paid software
>>> engineers have to go begging to a FOSS project for assistance and
>>> then expect immediate, high priority attention just because they
>>> are Microslop.
>>
>> That's the real issue. There is nothing wrong i using FOSS for a big
>> company. But expecting high priority assistance for free is really
>> scandalous.
>
> Why? They allow the submitter to assign a priority. If they don't want
> to address critical bugs first, they shouldn't allow you to assign an
> importance.

The emergency was in the comments. They have no possibility to stop
people putting pressure in the comments. Some people program and give
their code for any reason they have. Others, not happy enough with what
was given to them, put pressure on the developers to get more and fast.
Those people are parasites. They have no added value and have no issue
with the developers having a burn out.

That's what happened for the xz backdoor. It was technically a good
exploit, but it was a very impressive social engineering at the same
time.

As everyone thinks it's normal to request with pressure more than what's
given, everything is put in place for the developers to have a burn out.
It's not a good way to thanks the guys who gave you their code.

It's not about Microsoft, it's about the way to take what's given. You
want it, you take it as it is. You can help if you want. But requesting
with pressure is not a good behaviour.

> And you'll never guess who replied to the MS bug report and provided a fix.
>
> https://trac.ffmpeg.org/ticket/10341#comment:4
>
> (if that's really him. I'd question him spending his time answering
> ffmpeg bug reports when he has big companies to run)

In fact, I saw his name when I read the post, so I have nothing to
guess. Anyway, I don't believe it's him for two reasons. The first, as
you said, he has other matters to do than that. The second, I never
heard anyone say more stupidities about the computers than him (even
LP/DG/FR/NV/whatever can't compete). Maybe long ago he was a good
programmer, but it was certainly a long time ago. So, I'm very far from
sure he would be able to answer if he had time to do it.

--
Si vous avez du temps à perdre :
https://scarpet42.gitlab.io

Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

> some dumb fsck wrote:
>>
>> Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>>>
>>> There is nothing wrong i using FOSS for a big
>>> company. But expecting high priority assistance for free is really
>>> scandalous.
>>
>> Why?

More proof that you're a dumb fsck, if you can't figure-out something
that obvious on your own.

>> They allow the submitter to assign a priority. If they don't want
>> to address critical bugs first, they shouldn't allow you to assign an
>> importance.

Claims an idiot.

> (detailed explanation snipped)

DumFSck is stupid and obtuse. If I were you, I'd delete unread any
response from him, since you're so clearly correct and there's no
point in explaining any further.

Le 14-04-2024, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> a écrit :
> Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>
>> (detailed explanation snipped)
>
> DumFSck is stupid and obtuse.

Certainly not. He's a troll, that's clear. But sometimes he can just
disagree with me. I hope I can see when he's trolling and when he
disagree. But trolling is not a sign of stupidity: it's an art when it's
well done.

> If I were you, I'd delete unread any response from him,

When I see/believe he's trolling (or at least, when he's going too far
in his trolls) I don't answer them. I can have fun reading them (or
reading answers to them) but I have no time to answer them.

But, sometimes, I find it can be interesting to answer even if it's a
mild troll. And it helps me improve my English which can't be bad.

--
Si vous avez du temps à perdre :
https://scarpet42.gitlab.io

Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:

>But trolling is not a sign of stupidity: it's an art when it's
>well done.

I have certainly used it with certain cranks who it would illustrate a
point by getting their predictable responses.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 4/14/2024 4:32 PM, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

> But, sometimes, I find it can be interesting to answer even if it's a
> mild troll. And it helps me improve my English which can't be bad.

Your English has improved significantly since you've been here on cola.

Besides participating in cola/Usenet, how else do you work on it?

Le 15-04-2024, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> a écrit :
> On 4/14/2024 4:32 PM, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>
>> But, sometimes, I find it can be interesting to answer even if it's a
>> mild troll. And it helps me improve my English which can't be bad.
>
>
> Your English has improved significantly since you've been here on cola.
>
> Besides participating in cola/Usenet, how else do you work on it?

I'm not working on it in the sense of having a teacher or doing
exercices. Something like half of what I'm reading is in English. And
I had to exchange with non French speakers, so it was in English,
something like two or three hours a week. A big part of the music I'm
listening and of the movies I'm looking at are in English too. Something
like thirty or forty percent.

--
Si vous avez du temps à perdre :
https://scarpet42.gitlab.io

Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:
>Le 15-04-2024, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> a écrit :
>>
>>> But, sometimes, I find it can be interesting to answer even if it's a
>>> mild troll. And it helps me improve my English which can't be bad.
>>
>> Your English has improved significantly since you've been here on cola.
>>
>> Besides participating in cola/Usenet, how else do you work on it?
>
>I'm not working on it in the sense of having a teacher or doing
>exercices. Something like half of what I'm reading is in English. And
>I had to exchange with non French speakers, so it was in English,
>something like two or three hours a week. A big part of the music I'm
>listening and of the movies I'm looking at are in English too. Something
>like thirty or forty percent.

There are people energized to vote Republican today, who don't even
fathom how lucky they are to speak English.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 17:21:06 -0400, Joel wrote:

> There are people energized to vote Republican today, who don't even
> fathom how lucky they are to speak English.

Warum?

On 19 Apr 2024 20:57:47 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

> I'm not working on it in the sense of having a teacher or doing
> exercices. Something like half of what I'm reading is in English. And I
> had to exchange with non French speakers, so it was in English,
> something like two or three hours a week. A big part of the music I'm
> listening and of the movies I'm looking at are in English too. Something
> like thirty or forty percent.

Your program appears to be effective. Perhaps it has changed but it seemed
at one time you could find German, Italian, Israeli, and even Japanese
programmers on some projects but the French programmers were lacking.
Perhaps they were afraid of being contaminated by English. I know they
existed since I ran the Mandrake distro years ago.

One thing I learned was perfectly valid C code where all the variables,
structs, and functions were named in a language other than English was
very hard to follow.

On 4/19/2024 4:57 PM, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
> Le 15-04-2024, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> a écrit :
>> On 4/14/2024 4:32 PM, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>>
>>> But, sometimes, I find it can be interesting to answer even if it's a
>>> mild troll. And it helps me improve my English which can't be bad.
>>
>>
>> Your English has improved significantly since you've been here on cola.
>>
>> Besides participating in cola/Usenet, how else do you work on it?
>
> I'm not working on it in the sense of having a teacher or doing
> exercices. Something like half of what I'm reading is in English. And
> I had to exchange with non French speakers, so it was in English,
> something like two or three hours a week. A big part of the music I'm
> listening and of the movies I'm looking at are in English too. Something
> like thirty or forty percent.

Just remember everything you see in American movies is based on reality.

Do you like 'talky' movies, with lots of dialogue and less
action/adventure? I recommend Glengarry Glen Ross, from 1992.

Also Quest For Fire: it's about GuhNoo cavemen looking for a kernel.