On 27/03/2023 02:24, Rich wrote:
> True. But when the initial question's vagueness approaches "it does
> not work", time and again, there is a frustration that builds up from
> trying to cajole basic information necessary to even begin to answer
> the question. I.e., "what is 'it' and how exactly does 'it' not
> work?".
Ah, HIM. In my killfile.

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In <tviblo$t6a$1@reader2.panix.com> by vjp2.at@at.biostrategist.dot.dot.com on Thu, 23 Mar 2023 16:09:28 we perused:
*+-CAE Linux Lite works on the machine I couldn't load Quantian on,
*+-however it ignores my sda5 10MB linux partition and tries to use my sda7 data
*+-partiton, dividing it into a linux sda7 and data sda8.

*+-SHould I totally delete my extended (linux, swap, data) partiton, tkae the
*+-opportunity to slightly enlarge windows and then let it shape the remaining
*+-disk to its pleasure?

I did it, it worked.. but

no swap or data partitions..
and DOS and windows boot from MS submenu not top menu

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On 3/27/23 11:41, vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:
> In <tviblo$t6a$1@reader2.panix.com> by vjp2.at@at.biostrategist.dot.dot.com on Thu, 23 Mar 2023 16:09:28 we perused:
> *+-CAE Linux Lite works on the machine I couldn't load Quantian on,
> *+-however it ignores my sda5 10MB linux partition and tries to use my sda7 data
> *+-partiton, dividing it into a linux sda7 and data sda8.
>
> *+-SHould I totally delete my extended (linux, swap, data) partiton, tkae the
> *+-opportunity to slightly enlarge windows and then let it shape the remaining
> *+-disk to its pleasure?
>
> I did it, it worked.. but
>
> no swap or data partitions..

> and DOS and windows boot from MS submenu not top menu

And that is why people use tools like GPartEd to make partitions before
any installations.

bliss

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On 3/27/23 2:59 AM, Rich wrote:
> 27E.G756 <27E.G756@noq24u.net> wrote:
>> On 3/26/23 9:24 PM, Rich wrote:
>>> 27E.G756 <27E.G756@noq24u.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Why do you assume a Vast Evil Plan ???
>>>
>>> Why do you put words in my mouth.
>>
>> You were the one with all the words - a detailed
>> lay-out of the supposed Evil Scheme.
>
> Nope, you imagined an "Evil Scheme" all on your own.
>
> I merely described the similarity of OP to another poster, and then
> pointed out that the other poster had been accused of trolling. Any
> imaginary "Evil Scheme" was all in your head.

I would assume pointing out those "similarities" had
a POINT beyond the abstract ... you did go on for
several paragraphs about it all .........

MY assumption is that nobody would go to the TROUBLE
of such schemes on a somewhat obscure group with a
relatively small population. Not worth it.

>> I think we're just dealing with a relatively clueless Winders guy
>> fooling around with Linux. He's "vague" because HE DOESN'T KNOW.
>
> Giving him benefit of the doubt, yes, this is currently the most likely
> possibility.
>
>> I think we've offered enough options by now, so if he posts
>> basically the same thing again I won't bother answering.
>
> We shall see if something similar gets posted in a few days.

We shall ...

In a sub-thread the OP seems to have declared that he's
kinda gotten what he wants - but his Knoppix appears
in a Winders multi-boot menu rather than Grub.

But he still would have been better off with VirtualBox

On 3/27/23 8:27 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 27/03/2023 02:24, Rich wrote:
>> True.  But when the initial question's vagueness approaches "it does
>> not work", time and again, there is a frustration that builds up from
>> trying to cajole basic information necessary to even begin to answer
>> the question.  I.e., "what is 'it' and how exactly does 'it' not
>> work?".

> Ah, HIM. In my killfile.

I think he is vague and complains about crap fixes
not working BECAUSE HE JUST DOESN'T *KNOW*.

That describes 99.99% of 'Users' in the world.
Linux stuff is a whole other universe to them.

From his last post he SEEMS to have kinda got
what he wanted - except the special Knoppix
shows up in a Winders multi-boot menu.

But he should have used VirtualBox.

27E.G756 <27E.G756@noq24u.net> wrote:
> But he still would have been better off with VirtualBox

Indeed. He would have accomplished his desired outcome in all of about
five minutes with a working VB setup, and with way less risk of killing
everything else on his machine.

27E.G756 <27E.G756@noq24u.net> wrote:
> On 3/27/23 8:27 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 27/03/2023 02:24, Rich wrote:
>>> True.  But when the initial question's vagueness approaches "it does
>>> not work", time and again, there is a frustration that builds up from
>>> trying to cajole basic information necessary to even begin to answer
>>> the question.  I.e., "what is 'it' and how exactly does 'it' not
>>> work?".
>
>> Ah, HIM. In my killfile.
>
> I think he is vague and complains about crap fixes
> not working BECAUSE HE JUST DOESN'T *KNOW*.

TNP got the reference -- several of the group members here also appear
in "that other group" where "the other user" often posts.

TNP's "HIM" is referencing that other user, who has done this so
regularaly and so long, even with multiple attempts to "get him to
understand" that it does indeed look like that other user is often
intentionally vague for the purpose of trolling.

This particular OP is starting to appear /similar/ to some of that
other user's actions. But this OP does not yet have enough history to
say anything more than that he does look genuinely clueless at the
moment.

On 3/28/23 12:52 PM, Rich wrote:
> 27E.G756 <27E.G756@noq24u.net> wrote:
>> But he still would have been better off with VirtualBox
>
> Indeed. He would have accomplished his desired outcome in all of about
> five minutes with a working VB setup, and with way less risk of killing
> everything else on his machine.

'Zactly ... VBox will run 'old' stuff from CP/M-86
on up all quick and handy AND with hooks so you can
work printers/USB and share a directory and such.

Yes, KVM will do that too - but not quite as easy
and you sometimes have to tweak actual config files
if you wanna change certain things about the VM and
its environment.

For Winders people 'experimenting' with Linux stuff,
VBox is THE way to go. FAR less likely to do serious
damage .....

On 3/28/23 1:03 PM, Rich wrote:
> 27E.G756 <27E.G756@noq24u.net> wrote:
>> On 3/27/23 8:27 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 27/03/2023 02:24, Rich wrote:
>>>> True.  But when the initial question's vagueness approaches "it does
>>>> not work", time and again, there is a frustration that builds up from
>>>> trying to cajole basic information necessary to even begin to answer
>>>> the question.  I.e., "what is 'it' and how exactly does 'it' not
>>>> work?".
>>
>>> Ah, HIM. In my killfile.
>>
>> I think he is vague and complains about crap fixes
>> not working BECAUSE HE JUST DOESN'T *KNOW*.
>
> TNP got the reference -- several of the group members here also appear
> in "that other group" where "the other user" often posts.
>
> TNP's "HIM" is referencing that other user, who has done this so
> regularaly and so long, even with multiple attempts to "get him to
> understand" that it does indeed look like that other user is often
> intentionally vague for the purpose of trolling.
>
> This particular OP is starting to appear /similar/ to some of that
> other user's actions. But this OP does not yet have enough history to
> say anything more than that he does look genuinely clueless at the
> moment.

That's why I gave the OP the benefit of the doubt.
Sounds like almost ALL Winders people when they try
to do something with Linux/Unix.

Anyway, the OP got lots of suggestions (some complex
and/or hazardous) and as best I can tell now seems
to claim that Knoppix+ actually DID install - albeit
in an odd way.

There's a classic cartoon showing a professor pointing
at a blackboard packed with dense hyper-math equations
and saying "So, OBVIOUSLY ...". We who have years of
experience with Linux or whatever tend to fall into
that point-of-view. WE 'get it' - so that MUST mean
everybody else "Just Knows" as well .....

They don't. Not at all. 99.999% are just "users",
run other peoples apps and have NO CLUE how any
of it works under the hood. Ask most people how
an automobile works and they'll say "Well, you
turn the key and ..." and have ZERO info on how
an Otto engine is constructed or an ignition
system or much of ANYTHING else about the thing.

As best I remember, Knoppix was THE FIRST "live" distro
way on back. That made it very popular and people DID
build stuff on top of it. Now a large number of distros
have a 'live' version and Knoppix has fallen way down
in the ratings (though it's still good). I'm never
without an MX-live thumb drive, lots of useful stuff
in there.