chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>On 5 Mar 2024 20:37:01 GMT, rbowman wrote:
>>
>>> "Linux reached 4.03 percent of global market share ...
>>
>>That’s only desktops, which accounts for maybe 25% of the world computing
>>market.
>>
>>Linux dominates the remaining 75%.
>
>Linux rulz!

I do think it's interesting that when you include Android and ChromeOS
with Linux, Windows and macOS/iOS seem obscure. I guess they could
argue that desktop Linux also is compared to Android, but is that
*more* so than M$ Win and Overpriced Apple macOS in comparison to
either smartphone type? As a person who had a fully functional
Windows system and deleted it, I dispute that.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:

>>> The desktop race was over May 20 1990.
>>
>> Windows 3.x? ROFL!
>Win1 and 2 went nowhere, but MS has totally and completely dominated
>computer desktop OSs since releasing v3.0. That's nearly 34 years.
>Incredible.
>
>As I recall, at one point Windows was on 97% of PC desktops. Right now
>it's around 90%.

You're not wrong that Windows has enjoyed big numbers of users, but
it's only because it's just a virally popular OS. It doesn't reflect
something that truly trumps Linux or another OS.

>> If you'd said Windows 2000, maybe. But in truth
>> Microsoft has abandoned what Windows used to be. The support of
>> Win10, 11 or 12 is as advertised basically, in fact I'd have gotten 13
>> solid years of M$ support on this machine between the three versions,
>> but good luck with upgrades beyond a certain point, sticking one with
>> an arbitrary version.
>
>MS is doomed by Linux "advocates" running Windows apps in Linux.

Not really, I'm not even using a paid edition of Wine, I'm using the
stock instructions to use free Wine. If that's what I can do, I will
do it.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On Mar 6, 2024 at 9:40:13 AM EST, "DFS" <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:

> As I recall, at one point Windows was on 97% of PC desktops. Right now
> it's around 90%.

Windows has not been 90% for at least 10 years. Right now it is Windows 72%,
Mac 15%, Unknown(!) 6% and Linux 4%.

Those are global figures. In the U.S. it is even worse. Windows 62%, Mac 25%,
Chrome 5%, Linux 4% and Unknown(!) 3%.

I am really curious to learn what "Unknown" is.

On Wed, 06 Mar 2024 05:18:57 -0600, chrisv wrote:

> Personally I consider portable "laptop" computers effectively the same
> as "desktop" computers. So not anything near "over".

My laptop spends 95% of its time hooked to a KVM using the same monitor,
keyboard, and mouse as the two 'desktops'. It uses the same Ryzen 7 as
one of the desktops.

On 3/6/2024 10:39 AM, Tyrone wrote:
> On Mar 6, 2024 at 9:40:13 AM EST, "DFS" <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>
>> As I recall, at one point Windows was on 97% of PC desktops. Right now
>> it's around 90%.
>
> Windows has not been 90% for at least 10 years. Right now it is Windows 72%,
> Mac 15%, Unknown(!) 6% and Linux 4%.
>
> Those are global figures. In the U.S. it is even worse. Windows 62%, Mac 25%,
> Chrome 5%, Linux 4% and Unknown(!) 3%.

There's not a chance in hell 15% of the world runs MacOS, or that 25% of
the US computer users are running Apple desktops or laptops. Not a chance.

The source for OS usage I trusted the most was wikipedia hits, because
it's a destination everyone would go to.

> I am really curious to learn what "Unknown" is.

Yeah, 6% is a sizeable number.

The 2022 cola post counts by OS are:

Windows 35715
Linux 6345
unknown 2862
Mac 1868
BSD 36
iOS 1

Total 46827

This is based on info in the User-Agent or X-Newsreader header.

select u.os, count(postid) as Posts
from post p, useragent u
where p.groupid = 1 and
substr(p.utcdate,1,4) = '2022'
and p.useragentid = u.useragentid
group by u.os

On Mar 6, 2024 at 11:19:01 AM EST, "DFS" <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:

> On 3/6/2024 10:39 AM, Tyrone wrote:
>> On Mar 6, 2024 at 9:40:13 AM EST, "DFS" <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>>
>>> As I recall, at one point Windows was on 97% of PC desktops. Right now
>>> it's around 90%.
>>
>> Windows has not been 90% for at least 10 years. Right now it is Windows 72%,
>> Mac 15%, Unknown(!) 6% and Linux 4%.
>>
>> Those are global figures. In the U.S. it is even worse. Windows 62%, Mac 25%,
>> Chrome 5%, Linux 4% and Unknown(!) 3%.
>
>
> There's not a chance in hell 15% of the world runs MacOS, or that 25% of
> the US computer users are running Apple desktops or laptops. Not a chance.

Well, its a fact. The same source that the OP quoted as Linux being 4%. Do
you believe that? This is the source that everyone uses today.

Facts don't care if you believe them or not.

<gs.statcounter.com>

Tell them the following methodology is wrong:

"Stats are based on aggregate data collected by Statcounter on a sample
exceeding 5 billion pageviews per month collected from across the Statcounter
network of more than 1.5 million websites. Stats are updated and made
available every day, however are subject to quality assurance testing and
revision for 45 days from publication."

And that your count from a single web site is more accurate. Good luck with
that.

DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>On 3/5/2024 5:55 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>> On 5 Mar 2024 20:37:01 GMT, rbowman wrote:
>>
>>> "Linux reached 4.03 percent of global market share ...
>>
>> That’s only desktops,
>
>Which is the ONLY reason Linux was invented, and is the ONLY reason any
>of us are here, and is the ONLY market Torvalds ever cared about.

It doesn't matter what he thought as he coded the kernel initially, it
*became* part of GNU's project and the gold standard OS for all time.

>> which accounts for maybe 25% of the world computing
>> market.
>>
>> Linux dominates the remaining 75%.
>
>Unix does anyway. GuhNoo just cadged everything they could from Unix,
>then gave it away. And GuhNoo got extremely lucky Torvalds had a
>kernel, else we never would've heard of Linux.

Ridiculous take.

>But overall, it's definitely a good thing to have an open source, free
>of cost OS as an alternative to Win and Mac.

It's more than that, it's an alternative for people who can afford
anything they want, but prefer the best.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 3/6/2024 7:20 AM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> chrisv wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> rbowman wrote:
>>
>>> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/03/linux-continues-growing-market-
>>> share-reaches-4-of-desktops/
>>>
>>> "Linux reached 4.03 percent of global market share in February, according
>>> to data from research firm Statcounter. That takes Linux past the 3
>>> percent milestone it reached in June 2023. While we’re still far from the
>>> Year of the Linux Desktop, interest in Linux has somewhat grown lately."
>>>
>>> It might take a while longer but slow and steady wins the race.
>>
>> Troll! 8) You're going to make some dumb fsck very angry!
>>
>> --
>> "[DFS is] a know-nothing, a liar, and a k00k. A bigot. A racist. A
>> nasty human being. Better you should ignore his miserable misguided
>> ravings." - Chris Ahlstrom
>
> I partially retract those words.
>
> I've mellowed with age.
>

No, you've become Sheep.

--
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
www.avast.com

DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
> On 3/6/2024 10:39 AM, Tyrone wrote:
>> On Mar 6, 2024 at 9:40:13 AM EST, "DFS" <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>>
>>> As I recall, at one point Windows was on 97% of PC desktops. Right now
>>> it's around 90%.
>>
>> Windows has not been 90% for at least 10 years. Right now it is Windows 72%,
>> Mac 15%, Unknown(!) 6% and Linux 4%.
>>
>> Those are global figures. In the U.S. it is even worse. Windows 62%, Mac 25%,
>> Chrome 5%, Linux 4% and Unknown(!) 3%.
>
>
> There's not a chance in hell 15% of the world runs MacOS, or that 25% of
> the US computer users are running Apple desktops or laptops. Not a chance.
>
> The source for OS usage I trusted the most was wikipedia hits, because
> it's a destination everyone would go to.
>
>
>
>> I am really curious to learn what "Unknown" is.
>
> Yeah, 6% is a sizeable number.
>
>
> The 2022 cola post counts by OS are:
>
> Windows 35715
> Linux 6345
> unknown 2862
> Mac 1868
> BSD 36
> iOS 1
>
> Total 46827
>
>
> This is based on info in the User-Agent or X-Newsreader header.
>
> select u.os, count(postid) as Posts
> from post p, useragent u
> where p.groupid = 1 and
> substr(p.utcdate,1,4) = '2022'
> and p.useragentid = u.useragentid
> group by u.os

Interesting, as I’m sure that I made more than one 2022 COLA post on my
iPad; I’d guess that the “unknown” might include Google Groups regardless
of platform?

-hh

On 3/6/2024 12:42 PM, Relf wrote:
> DFS wrote:
>> GuhNoo cadged everything they could from Unix,
>
> Is "Cadged" a popular word in Alabama ?!

Haven't been in AL in years, so I can't say if it's popular there. But
it's fairly popular on cola, at least by one person.

> It means: to trick someone out of something they deserved.

I've never seen any indication cadge or cadging means tricking anybody
out of anything, and I never accused GuhNoo of trickery.

mooch and sponge are the most appropriate synonyms for what they did.

> Ideas are not like candy, you can't "steal" them from a crying baby.

GuhNoo shamelessly stole the names and functionality of existing Unix
features. Then they claimed GNU is Not Unix.

----------------------------------------------------------------------
"Free Unix!

Starting this Thanksgiving I am going to write a complete
Unix-compatible software system called GNU (for Gnu's Not Unix), and
give it away free to everyone who can use it. Contributions of time,
money, programs and equipment are greatly needed.
....
Who Am I?
I am Richard Stallman..."

https://www.gnu.org/gnu/initial-announcement.html
----------------------------------------------------------------------

They couldn't do the kernel part, though, and the Linux kernel came
along at just the right time.

DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:

>GuhNoo shamelessly stole the names and functionality of existing Unix
>features. Then they claimed GNU is Not Unix.
>
>
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>"Free Unix!
>
>Starting this Thanksgiving I am going to write a complete
>Unix-compatible software system called GNU (for Gnu's Not Unix), and
>give it away free?to everyone who can use it. Contributions of time,
>money, programs and equipment are greatly needed.
>...
>Who Am I?
>I am Richard Stallman..."
>
>https://www.gnu.org/gnu/initial-announcement.html
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>They couldn't do the kernel part, though, and the Linux kernel came
>along at just the right time.

GNU/Linux came along because there was a need for it in the market. It
is a hit, a success, more and more all the time. I don't want
Winblows back.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 3/6/2024 1:51 PM, -hh wrote:
> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:

>> The 2022 cola post counts by OS are:
>>
>> Windows 35715
>> Linux 6345
>> unknown 2862
>> Mac 1868
>> BSD 36
>> iOS 1
>>
>> Total 46827
>>
>>
>> This is based on info in the User-Agent or X-Newsreader header.
>>
>> select u.os, count(postid) as Posts
>> from post p, useragent u
>> where p.groupid = 1 and
>> substr(p.utcdate,1,4) = '2022'
>> and p.useragentid = u.useragentid
>> group by u.os
>
> Interesting, as I’m sure that I made more than one 2022 COLA post on my
> iPad;

Here's what I have for you in toto:

2005 G2/0.2 13
2006 G2/0.2 6
2007 G2/1.0 5
2008 G2/1.0 24
2009 G2/1.0 87
2010 G2/1.0 433
2010 Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3502.922 1
2010 slrn/pre1.0.0-11 (Linux) 1
2011 G2/1.0 472
2011 MT-NewsWatcher/3.5.3b3 (PPC Mac OS X) 7
2012 G2/1.0 1053
2013 G2/1.0 403
2014 G2/1.0 714
2014 NewsTap/4.0.1 (iPad) 1
2015 G2/1.0 1023
2016 G2/1.0 547
2017 G2/1.0 312
2018 G2/1.0 607
2019 G2/1.0 464
2020 G2/1.0 1053
2021 G2/1.0 1351
2022 G2/1.0 555
2023 G2/1.0 133

select p3.postername, substr(p.utcdate,1,4) as Yr, u.useragent,
count(u.useragent) as Posts
from post p, poster p2, postername p3, useragent u
where p.groupid = 1
and p.posterid = p2.posterid
and p2.posternameid = p3.posternameid
and p3.postername = '-hh'
and p.useragentid = u.useragentid
group by p3.postername, substr(p.utcdate,1,4), u.useragent
order by p3.postername, substr(p.utcdate,1,4), u.useragent

and -hh includes:
-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>
-hh Huntzinger <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com

Note I haven't posted anything to my db since Sep 2023, so the 2023 data
is incomplete.

> I’d guess that the “unknown” might include Google Groups regardless
> of platform?

Yes. The OS isn't part of the G2 User-Agent header.

Here are the 'unknowns'.

=============================================================
2550.25! LOL! https://www.google.com/search?q=sinewavestew
A News Client [not] a Disabled News Browser
A Stiff Shag ver. 6.1
A-Yeah! v9
AOL/0.001 (Atari)
Alexandra.app (Version 0.9 [trh#1])
All the News that Fits (1.0)
Anatomically Correct Newsreader
Arse 'Ole Laddie
AspNNTP 1.50 (Evaluation Copy)
Auto Binaries Poster Version 1.8.0 Build 620
AutoNews V2.14
Automatic Typo-Generator [Versoin 1.0]
BNews2004v20
Bazooka 1.4
BeInformed 1.0.1
Berserker 1.4
Berserker 1.7.5b
Betterbird
Blind zealotism is a disease of the mind.
Bob's Newsmonkey 1.1
COLA Quality Control Committee
COLA Stats Engine
Camp0ven Baked [Bedourie] freeStyle Fortinic Agent [ver.303-Enfield.42g]
Ceci n'est pas une newsreader.
CommMaker IE
DFS-PyQtNews
DR-WebSpyder 2.0/32.652
Daeron aka Doug Mentohl/Mitchell is a kook.
Daeron aka Doug Mitchell/Mentohl is a dorkster
Daeron is <-- fill in the blank-->
Daeron is a ???
Daeron is a blimp.
Daeron is a dorkster
Daeron is a kook
Daeron is a loser
Daeron is a sprog
Daeron is a weak minded *sole*
Daeron is a weirdo
Daeron is it human?
Daeron likes bondage.
Daeron, does anyone really know?
Demon Internet Simple News v1.31
Direct Read News 2.90
Direct Read News 4.20
Direct Read News 4.64
Direct Read News 4.70
Direct Read News 5.16
Direct Read News 5.60
Direct Read News v2.80
Disney Approved Newsreader
Doesn't exist
Duck & Firkin
Dumper Poster
Dylan/1.0 Thunderbird
FUDforum 3.0.7
FUDspreader Pro v1.0.4
Fidolook Express V1.51rus for MS OE 5.0
Firstload Revolution/1.07,4.23
Firstload Revolution/1.10,4.40
Flrn (0.9.20070704)
Fuck you asshole
G2/0.1
G2/0.2
G2/1.0
G4/1.0
GLA Promo Engine
Gigi's Own NewsReader 1.20 (http://gon.sf.net/)
Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.2 (berkeley-unix)
Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.1 (berkeley-unix)
Godnews/06.08.25
Groupie 2/1.0
Groupwise 6.5
Gynecolumnator v4.0
H3/2.1
HaselCorp OutOfLuck XPress 666131313
Hello! I'm Aquila Deus!!
Hello! I'm Aquila!!
Hello! I'm d2003xx!!
Hello! I'm d2004xx!!
Hogwasher/5.17
Hogwasher/5.18
Hogwasher/5.19
Hogwasher/5.20
Hogwasher/5.24
HolyReader/6.69
HotdogEd/2.13.5 (Android; Google Android; rv:1) Hotdoged/1571743004000
HotdogEd/2.13.5
I Maked It My Self v1.nuthin
Indoctrinator Pro v3.3.0
Insert anything here
InterChange (Hydra) News v3.61
InterChange (Hydra) News v3.61.01
InterChange (Hydra) News v3.61.08
InterChange (Hydra) News v3.62
Internet Exploiter has encountered an error and needs to close
Jan's fantastische newsreader
Jigsaw/2.2.0 W3C_CSS_Validator_JFouffa/2.0
Kadaitcha Man was here
LOL/3.1415
Lart_Reader 2.0
Legs akimbo ver. 6.1
Loco Ver.Y2K
Lookout Xpress
Lotus Notes Release 6.0 September 26, 2002
Lucy - http://www.geniegate.com/other/lucy/
MJ is GUILTY!
MS_nrop_view 3.3
Mailgate Web Server
Marcab V.8.64/Galactica
Mariozilla/3.1g (Nintendo64; U; WaveRunner m20469; en-US; rv:1.7_pre8)
Donkey Kong's Banana/20050716
Mariozilla/3.2b (Nintendo64; U; WaveRunner m20469; en-US; rv:1.8_pre9)
Ocarina of Time/20050925
Mariozilla/3.5a (Nintendo64; U; WaveRunner m20478; en-US; rv:0.2_pre0.3)
Pango Pango/20070123
Mariozilla/3.5a (Nintendo64; U; WaveRunner m20478; en-US; rv:0.4_pre0.5)
Yizzack/20070327
Mariozilla/3.5k (Nintendo64; U; WaveRunner m20580; en-US;
rv:2.7c_pre2.8) Toad's Tiparillo/20080401
Mariozilla/3.6 (Nintendo64; U; WaveRunner m20580; en-US; rv:3.0a)
Mario's Muslix/20090101
Mariozilla/3.6a (Nintendo64; U; WaveRunner m20580; en-US;
rv:2.8i_pre2.9) Big Bomb-omb's Aplomb/20080903
Marks Telepathetic Psycobabble Generator Deluxe v1.51
Martin's dream machine
Max Pwn3r v4.20
Max Reader v4.20
MegaNews 0.01.95b For Chromix
MeoWWW/3.0.i8n.b-fr
MesNews/1.08.06.00-it
MicroPlanet-Gravity/3.0.10 (GRC)
MicroPlanet-Gravity/3.0.11 (GRC)
MicroPlanet-Gravity/3.0.6
Microsoft Buzzard Express 1.00.2800.1158
Mime 1.0
Mimo Usenet Browser - http://www.mimousenet.com/mimo/post
Mircosoft Outoftown Expired 7.89.2829.1100
Mozilla 3.04Gold (WinNT; U)
Mozilla 4.06[en]
Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5a (20040105)
Mozilla/5.0 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666
Mozilla/5.0 (OS/2; Warp 4.5; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/45.0
Mozilla/5.0 (iPad; CPU OS 8_...
My Brain Hurts v7.4
MyNewsGroups :) v 0.6
News Rover 14.2.0
NewsLeecher v3.7 Final (http://www.newsleecher.com)
NewsLeecher v4.0 Beta 7 (http://www.newsleecher.com)
NewsLeecher v7.0 Final (http://www.newsleecher.com)
NewsMan Pro 1.5 (Freeware)
NewsMan Pro 2.6
NewsMan Pro 2.7
NewsMan Pro 3.0.6 (Freeware)
NewsMonger 1.52
NewsPortal 0.23
NewsPortal/0.25 (http://florian-amrhein.de/newsportal/)
NewsPortal/0.35pl1 (http://florian-amrhein.de/newsportal)
NewsPortal/0.35pl1 (http://florian-amrhein.de/newsportal) Hamster/2.0.5.5
NewsTap/5.5 (iPad)
NewsTap/5.5 (iPhone/iPod Touch)
Newsbin Pro
No Gnus v0.6
Nobodyyouknow
Nokia6800/2.0 (4.17) Profile/MIDP-1.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.0 UP.Link/5.1.2.9
None
None of your business
Not Mutt
Not Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2100
Noworyta News Reader/2.9
OSSI Approved Newsreader
OZUM 2.85 (ozinsight.com) - binary newsreader, scanner and freeware
autoposter
Opera 9.14.19
PC Repair and Better Built Computers
PCP - Angel dust
PHP News Reader v2.6.2 (CDSHEEN)
POOP-Reader
Parchment ver.1
Party Approved Newsreader
Peck's Power Post - v0.6b
Peter Buster
PhpMix v2.3 (beta)
PiaoHong.Usenet.Client.VIP:2.00
PiaoHong.Usenet.Client.VIP:2.02
PileDriver Miscreant 2.3.117 (17 November 2001)
Pineapple News/0.9.0 (Mac OS X 10.9.6 Intel)
Poast-It ! 0.19 (.. of course, then it was time for the long pants.)
PostXpert (www.postxpert.com)
ProNews/2 V1.58.cp116
Progressivism 1.1.42 (Feminism compatible; 64-bit;
Proteus Usenet Relay
PstingSoftwareX10
Purgatory professional, Hell with Fire & Brimstone 6.6.6
Pussy Willow's Poast Shredder V1.0
Pussy Willow's post shredder V1.0
R2-DV8
RRR_Puppy
RadioShack Colour Computer 2, MickeyTerm Ver. 2.0
RadioShack Colour Computer ][, MickeyTerm Ver. 2.0
Ro24vL8xIvd7tA0W.wm2pt
RoT Rules OK
SNews 1.31+mods(djs001201/dpmi)
Santa Approved Newsreader
Second test
Sharkzilla v1.0 Build 20010328
Shysterwitch version 0.99.18.41.03.21-.a
Shysterwitch version 0.99.18.41.03.21-a
Small-weird-dick-with-a-head-like-a-mushroom 3.14
Smith
SonyEricssonP800/R101 Profile/MIDP-1.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.0
Sticked and Stoned
SuperPost Auto Marketer 4.1 (reg:3GIzrsz3dy)
SuperPost Auto Marketer 4.1 (reg:74k2PZqauwv)
SuperPost Auto Marketer 4.1 (reg:J8Ip4H98v96T)
SuperPost Auto Marketer 4.1 (reg:MHkgVzXtt)
SuperPost Auto Marketer 4.1 (reg:MO1gtfa4MI)
SuperPost Auto Marketer 4.1 (reg:WIbnRPC12)
SuperPost Auto Marketer 4.1 (reg:XMjdUULr)
SuperPost Auto Marketer 4.1 (reg:Yxaq9PbtR)
SuperPost Auto Marketer 4.1 (reg:boQUv52tGw)
SuperPost Auto Marketer 4.1 (reg:he8IRCbbw5)
SuperPost Auto Marketer 4.1 (reg:joXRcMgpik)
SuperPost Auto Marketer 4.1 (reg:m3RrzPg68D8)
SuperPost Auto Marketer 4.1 (reg:vSvO3ui1qnv0Q)
SuperPost Auto Marketer 4.1 (reg:xHUxaXTJJg)
SupraNews newsreader(http://www.texeme.com/)
Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.30; i686-pc-mingw32)
Tandy Colour Computer 2/MickeyTerm Ver. 2.0
The Force
The Twin Orbs of my Brane
Thoth/1.9.4.2011
TkNews 2.0
TkNews 3.0 (1.0.20)
TkNews 3.0 (1.1.1)
TkNews 3.0 (1.1.2)
UPG1 UP/4.0 (compatible;Blazer 1.0)
Unknown
Unlisted
Up hill, down dale
Vectrex rn 2.1 (beta)
ViewSplorf 1.0 (The grabbing hands grab all they can.)
Virtual Access by Atlantic Coast PLC, http://www.atlantic-coast.com/va
Virtual Access by Atlantic Coast PLC, http://www.soft-shop.com
W3CLineMode/5.4.0 libwww/5.4.0
W3C_Validator/1.183 libwww-perl/5.64
White 'I am an idiot' Spirit
WinBOT v1.0.5
WinVN 0.99.12N (x86 32bit)
WinVN 0.99.12y (x86 32bit)
Windiff 3.0
Would you believe, agent 86? (KKNT)
XBoX 64 (NVidea GForce 3 Architecture)
XWing
XanaNews/1.19.1.372 (x86; Portable ISpell)
XanaNews/1.20-0cfde51 (x86; Portable ISpell)
XanaNews/1.21-f3fb89f (x86; Portable ISpell)
Xiino/1.0.9E [en] (v. 4.1; 153x130; g4)
Yanoff Conduit v1.0pre8
Yarn 0.92 with YES 0.22 and Boxer 6.0
Yo Ding Dong Man, Ding Dong, Ding Dong Yo
ZipNews Reader/Mailer v0.93b (Beta)
aseriesoftubes
bMOBILE News 3.0
com.subsume.NNTP/1.0.0
console
dfs says i need a User-Agent, so here it is
flatfish
flnews/0.14 (for HP-UX)
fsuoihsduiofhdfgd
general.useragent.override
google g1/g2 ssl
guess
hidden
iSTAR InfoRAMP Inc.
missing
mnews [version 1.22PL4] 2000-05/28(Sun)
newsprog
no
none of your business Mnenhy/0.7.5.0
posting.google.com 1203969134 25683 127.0.0.1 (18 Feb 2008 12:34:69 GMT)
sdfhuyisguygsdf
secret
something-sco-did-not-write
tin/1.8.2-20060425 ("Shillay") (UNIX) (SunOS/5.10 (i86pc))
tinx 1.2.12
vBulletin USENET gateway
www.talkaboutcomputing.com
zarathustra English
|Peter's Homebrew Newsreader V0.1/0.1
✓
򙦚򪪪))))))򙡶񕝷񸢈
=============================================================

Joel wrote:
> I don't want Winblows back.
>
>
you blow cocks instead, fruitcake

% <precent@yahoo.net> wrote:

>> I don't want Winblows back.
>>
>you blow cocks instead, fruitcake

And that would be important, compared to eating snatches, I guess,
because you're a phobe dummy retard? Well, you wanted to be that, so
own it, retard.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

rbowman wrote:

> chrisv wrote:
>>
>> Personally I consider portable "laptop" computers effectively the same
>> as "desktop" computers. So not anything near "over".
>
>My laptop spends 95% of its time hooked to a KVM using the same monitor,
>keyboard, and mouse as the two 'desktops'. It uses the same Ryzen 7 as
>one of the desktops.

My work PC is a laptop connected to a dock, which then connects to a
large monitor and ergo keyboard. It does get used portably when I
travel on business.

--
"Almost no one in user land gives a flying fuck about an open and free
kernel." - "True Linux advocate" Hadron Quark

Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

>> "[DFS is] a know-nothing, a liar, and a k00k. A bigot. A racist. A
>> nasty human being. Better you should ignore his miserable misguided
>> ravings." - Chris Ahlstrom
>
>I partially retract those words.

Why, when they are true?

--
"I can only imagine what a nightmare it would be to go to high school
with a bunch of dumb, loudmouth blacks eeking and ooking all day
long." - DumFSck

...and jerk off in a fleshlight.

On 3/6/2024 2:21 PM, Relf wrote:
> Huntzinger:
>> "unknown" might include Google Groups regardless of platform ?
>
> Yes because many don't want you to know ANYTHING about them,
> including what OS they use.

"Relf" <Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me> wrote:

>You (DFS) replied ( to me ):
>
>> > Ideas are not like candy, you can't "steal" them from a crying baby.
>>
>> [ GuhNoo stole the names & functionality of existing Unix features.
>> Then they trademarked, "GNU is Not Unix". ]
>
>"Stole" ? really ?! as if Andrew Tanenbaum ( of "open" source MINIX fame ),
>looked in his vault, 1987, Amsterdam, & proclaimed:
>" Dammit Linus ! give it back. ".
>
>-- " Contributions of time, money, programs and equipment are greatly needed "
>said "Stallman the mooch".

GNU and Linux are all new creations of a concept that had been
proprietary. It's ingenious, compatible with but superior to the
original.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On Wed, 6 Mar 2024 14:24:49 -0500, DFS wrote:

> They couldn't do the kernel part, though, and the Linux kernel came
> along at just the right time.

"This is the original announcement of the GNU Project, posted by Richard
Stallman on September 27, 1983."

I'm not a Stallman fan but *nix was a cluster fuck in 1983. AT&T's second
anti-trust suit had just been settled and they could sell Unix. They'd
been giving it to academic institutions, with a very arcane licensing for
proprietary firms. I forget what variant on the Unix name I was using in
1983 but it fell off the back of a truck in Cambridge MA and ran on a
PDP-11.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_wars

Hurd never got off the ground. When Torvalds wrote a kernel loosely based
on Tannenbaum's Minix in 1991he didn't expect it to go anywhere.

Microsoft and SCO were also muddying the waters with Xenix. MS dropped
Xenix although you have to wonder how much ultimately wound up in NT.

But all that's history. I'm just glad 40 years later I have choices.

On Wed, 06 Mar 2024 14:49:56 -0600, chrisv wrote:

> My work PC is a laptop connected to a dock, which then connects to a
> large monitor and ergo keyboard. It does get used portably when I
> travel on business.

I was away from home for 4 days a couple of weeks ago and had forgotten
how awkward a 14" laptop is. It's always a trade off between usability and
being too big to hump around.

I've got an Asus Eee PC 700 around here someplace.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asus_Eee_PC

It sounded like a good idea in 2007, small and cheap enough to toss into a
saddle bag with no worries but definitely pushing the usability limit. It
wouldn't support WPA2 which became a problem.

DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote at 19:58 this Wednesday (GMT):
> On 3/6/2024 1:51 PM, -hh wrote:
>> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>
>>> The 2022 cola post counts by OS are:
>>>
>>> Windows 35715
>>> Linux 6345
>>> unknown 2862
>>> Mac 1868
>>> BSD 36
>>> iOS 1
>>>
>>> Total 46827
>>>
>>>
>>> This is based on info in the User-Agent or X-Newsreader header.
>>>
>>> select u.os, count(postid) as Posts
>>> from post p, useragent u
>>> where p.groupid = 1 and
>>> substr(p.utcdate,1,4) = '2022'
>>> and p.useragentid = u.useragentid
>>> group by u.os
>>
>> Interesting, as I’m sure that I made more than one 2022 COLA post on my
>> iPad;
>
> Here's what I have for you in toto:
>
> 2005 G2/0.2 13
> 2006 G2/0.2 6
> 2007 G2/1.0 5
> 2008 G2/1.0 24
> 2009 G2/1.0 87
> 2010 G2/1.0 433
> 2010 Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3502.922 1
> 2010 slrn/pre1.0.0-11 (Linux) 1
> 2011 G2/1.0 472
> 2011 MT-NewsWatcher/3.5.3b3 (PPC Mac OS X) 7
> 2012 G2/1.0 1053
> 2013 G2/1.0 403
> 2014 G2/1.0 714
> 2014 NewsTap/4.0.1 (iPad) 1
> 2015 G2/1.0 1023
> 2016 G2/1.0 547
> 2017 G2/1.0 312
> 2018 G2/1.0 607
> 2019 G2/1.0 464
> 2020 G2/1.0 1053
> 2021 G2/1.0 1351
> 2022 G2/1.0 555
> 2023 G2/1.0 133
>
>
> select p3.postername, substr(p.utcdate,1,4) as Yr, u.useragent,
> count(u.useragent) as Posts
> from post p, poster p2, postername p3, useragent u
> where p.groupid = 1
> and p.posterid = p2.posterid
> and p2.posternameid = p3.posternameid
> and p3.postername = '-hh'
> and p.useragentid = u.useragentid
> group by p3.postername, substr(p.utcdate,1,4), u.useragent
> order by p3.postername, substr(p.utcdate,1,4), u.useragent
>
> and -hh includes:
> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>
> -hh Huntzinger <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>
> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com
>
>
> Note I haven't posted anything to my db since Sep 2023, so the 2023 data
> is incomplete.
>
>
>> I’d guess that the “unknown” might include Google Groups regardless
>> of platform?
>
> Yes. The OS isn't part of the G2 User-Agent header.
>
>
>
> Here are the 'unknowns'.
>
>=============================================================
> 2550.25! LOL! https://www.google.com/search?q=sinewavestew
> A News Client [not] a Disabled News Browser
> A Stiff Shag ver. 6.1
> A-Yeah! v9
> AOL/0.001 (Atari)
> Alexandra.app (Version 0.9 [trh#1])
> All the News that Fits (1.0)
> Anatomically Correct Newsreader
> Arse 'Ole Laddie
> AspNNTP 1.50 (Evaluation Copy)
> Auto Binaries Poster Version 1.8.0 Build 620
> AutoNews V2.14
> Automatic Typo-Generator [Versoin 1.0]
> BNews2004v20
> Bazooka 1.4
> BeInformed 1.0.1
> Berserker 1.4
> Berserker 1.7.5b
> Betterbird
> Blind zealotism is a disease of the mind.
> Bob's Newsmonkey 1.1
> COLA Quality Control Committee
> COLA Stats Engine
> Camp0ven Baked [Bedourie] freeStyle Fortinic Agent [ver.303-Enfield.42g]
> Ceci n'est pas une newsreader.
> CommMaker IE
> DFS-PyQtNews
> DR-WebSpyder 2.0/32.652
> Daeron aka Doug Mentohl/Mitchell is a kook.
> Daeron aka Doug Mitchell/Mentohl is a dorkster
> Daeron is <-- fill in the blank-->
> Daeron is a ???
> Daeron is a blimp.
> Daeron is a dorkster
> Daeron is a kook
> Daeron is a loser
> Daeron is a sprog
> Daeron is a weak minded *sole*
> Daeron is a weirdo
> Daeron is it human?
> Daeron likes bondage.
> Daeron, does anyone really know?
> Demon Internet Simple News v1.31
> Direct Read News 2.90
> Direct Read News 4.20
> Direct Read News 4.64
> Direct Read News 4.70
> Direct Read News 5.16
> Direct Read News 5.60
> Direct Read News v2.80
> Disney Approved Newsreader
> Doesn't exist
> Duck & Firkin
> Dumper Poster
> Dylan/1.0 Thunderbird
> FUDforum 3.0.7
> FUDspreader Pro v1.0.4
> Fidolook Express V1.51rus for MS OE 5.0
> Firstload Revolution/1.07,4.23
> Firstload Revolution/1.10,4.40
> Flrn (0.9.20070704)
> Fuck you asshole
> G2/0.1
> G2/0.2
> G2/1.0
> G4/1.0
> GLA Promo Engine
> Gigi's Own NewsReader 1.20 (http://gon.sf.net/)
> Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.2 (berkeley-unix)
> Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.1 (berkeley-unix)
> Godnews/06.08.25
> Groupie 2/1.0
> Groupwise 6.5
> Gynecolumnator v4.0
> H3/2.1
> HaselCorp OutOfLuck XPress 666131313
> Hello! I'm Aquila Deus!!
> Hello! I'm Aquila!!
> Hello! I'm d2003xx!!
> Hello! I'm d2004xx!!
> Hogwasher/5.17
> Hogwasher/5.18
> Hogwasher/5.19
> Hogwasher/5.20
> Hogwasher/5.24
> HolyReader/6.69
> HotdogEd/2.13.5 (Android; Google Android; rv:1) Hotdoged/1571743004000
> HotdogEd/2.13.5
> I Maked It My Self v1.nuthin
> Indoctrinator Pro v3.3.0
> Insert anything here
> InterChange (Hydra) News v3.61
> InterChange (Hydra) News v3.61.01
> InterChange (Hydra) News v3.61.08
> InterChange (Hydra) News v3.62
> Internet Exploiter has encountered an error and needs to close
> Jan's fantastische newsreader
> Jigsaw/2.2.0 W3C_CSS_Validator_JFouffa/2.0
> Kadaitcha Man was here
> LOL/3.1415
> Lart_Reader 2.0
> Legs akimbo ver. 6.1
> Loco Ver.Y2K
> Lookout Xpress
> Lotus Notes Release 6.0 September 26, 2002
> Lucy - http://www.geniegate.com/other/lucy/
> MJ is GUILTY!
> MS_nrop_view 3.3
> Mailgate Web Server
> Marcab V.8.64/Galactica
> Mariozilla/3.1g (Nintendo64; U; WaveRunner m20469; en-US; rv:1.7_pre8)
> Donkey Kong's Banana/20050716
> Mariozilla/3.2b (Nintendo64; U; WaveRunner m20469; en-US; rv:1.8_pre9)
> Ocarina of Time/20050925
> Mariozilla/3.5a (Nintendo64; U; WaveRunner m20478; en-US; rv:0.2_pre0.3)
> Pango Pango/20070123
> Mariozilla/3.5a (Nintendo64; U; WaveRunner m20478; en-US; rv:0.4_pre0.5)
> Yizzack/20070327
> Mariozilla/3.5k (Nintendo64; U; WaveRunner m20580; en-US;
> rv:2.7c_pre2.8) Toad's Tiparillo/20080401
> Mariozilla/3.6 (Nintendo64; U; WaveRunner m20580; en-US; rv:3.0a)
> Mario's Muslix/20090101
> Mariozilla/3.6a (Nintendo64; U; WaveRunner m20580; en-US;
> rv:2.8i_pre2.9) Big Bomb-omb's Aplomb/20080903
> Marks Telepathetic Psycobabble Generator Deluxe v1.51
> Martin's dream machine
> Max Pwn3r v4.20
> Max Reader v4.20
> MegaNews 0.01.95b For Chromix
> MeoWWW/3.0.i8n.b-fr
> MesNews/1.08.06.00-it
> MicroPlanet-Gravity/3.0.10 (GRC)
> MicroPlanet-Gravity/3.0.11 (GRC)
> MicroPlanet-Gravity/3.0.6
> Microsoft Buzzard Express 1.00.2800.1158
> Mime 1.0
> Mimo Usenet Browser - http://www.mimousenet.com/mimo/post
> Mircosoft Outoftown Expired 7.89.2829.1100
> Mozilla 3.04Gold (WinNT; U)
> Mozilla 4.06[en]
> Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5a (20040105)
> Mozilla/5.0 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666
> Mozilla/5.0 (OS/2; Warp 4.5; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/45.0
> Mozilla/5.0 (iPad; CPU OS 8_...
> My Brain Hurts v7.4
> MyNewsGroups :) v 0.6
> News Rover 14.2.0
> NewsLeecher v3.7 Final (http://www.newsleecher.com)
> NewsLeecher v4.0 Beta 7 (http://www.newsleecher.com)
> NewsLeecher v7.0 Final (http://www.newsleecher.com)
> NewsMan Pro 1.5 (Freeware)
> NewsMan Pro 2.6
> NewsMan Pro 2.7
> NewsMan Pro 3.0.6 (Freeware)
> NewsMonger 1.52
> NewsPortal 0.23
> NewsPortal/0.25 (http://florian-amrhein.de/newsportal/)
> NewsPortal/0.35pl1 (http://florian-amrhein.de/newsportal)
> NewsPortal/0.35pl1 (http://florian-amrhein.de/newsportal) Hamster/2.0.5.5
> NewsTap/5.5 (iPad)
> NewsTap/5.5 (iPhone/iPod Touch)
> Newsbin Pro
> No Gnus v0.6
> Nobodyyouknow
> Nokia6800/2.0 (4.17) Profile/MIDP-1.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.0 UP.Link/5.1.2.9
> None
> None of your business
> Not Mutt
> Not Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2100
> Noworyta News Reader/2.9
> OSSI Approved Newsreader
> OZUM 2.85 (ozinsight.com) - binary newsreader, scanner and freeware
> autoposter
> Opera 9.14.19
> PC Repair and Better Built Computers
> PCP - Angel dust
> PHP News Reader v2.6.2 (CDSHEEN)
> POOP-Reader
> Parchment ver.1
> Party Approved Newsreader
> Peck's Power Post - v0.6b
> Peter Buster
> PhpMix v2.3 (beta)
> PiaoHong.Usenet.Client.VIP:2.00
> PiaoHong.Usenet.Client.VIP:2.02
> PileDriver Miscreant 2.3.117 (17 November 2001)
> Pineapple News/0.9.0 (Mac OS X 10.9.6 Intel)
> Poast-It ! 0.19 (.. of course, then it was time for the long pants.)
> PostXpert (www.postxpert.com)
> ProNews/2 V1.58.cp116
> Progressivism 1.1.42 (Feminism compatible; 64-bit;
> Proteus Usenet Relay
> PstingSoftwareX10
> Purgatory professional, Hell with Fire & Brimstone 6.6.6
> Pussy Willow's Poast Shredder V1.0
> Pussy Willow's post shredder V1.0
> R2-DV8
> RRR_Puppy
> RadioShack Colour Computer 2, MickeyTerm Ver. 2.0
> RadioShack Colour Computer ][, MickeyTerm Ver. 2.0
> Ro24vL8xIvd7tA0W.wm2pt
> RoT Rules OK
> SNews 1.31+mods(djs001201/dpmi)
> Santa Approved Newsreader
> Second test
> Sharkzilla v1.0 Build 20010328
> Shysterwitch version 0.99.18.41.03.21-.a
> Shysterwitch version 0.99.18.41.03.21-a
> Small-weird-dick-with-a-head-like-a-mushroom 3.14
> Smith
> SonyEricssonP800/R101 Profile/MIDP-1.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.0
> Sticked and Stoned
> SuperPost Auto Marketer 4.1 (reg:3GIzrsz3dy)
> SuperPost Auto Marketer 4.1 (reg:74k2PZqauwv)
> SuperPost Auto Marketer 4.1 (reg:J8Ip4H98v96T)
> SuperPost Auto Marketer 4.1 (reg:MHkgVzXtt)
> SuperPost Auto Marketer 4.1 (reg:MO1gtfa4MI)
> SuperPost Auto Marketer 4.1 (reg:WIbnRPC12)
> SuperPost Auto Marketer 4.1 (reg:XMjdUULr)
> SuperPost Auto Marketer 4.1 (reg:Yxaq9PbtR)
> SuperPost Auto Marketer 4.1 (reg:boQUv52tGw)
> SuperPost Auto Marketer 4.1 (reg:he8IRCbbw5)
> SuperPost Auto Marketer 4.1 (reg:joXRcMgpik)
> SuperPost Auto Marketer 4.1 (reg:m3RrzPg68D8)
> SuperPost Auto Marketer 4.1 (reg:vSvO3ui1qnv0Q)
> SuperPost Auto Marketer 4.1 (reg:xHUxaXTJJg)
> SupraNews newsreader(http://www.texeme.com/)
> Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.30; i686-pc-mingw32)
> Tandy Colour Computer 2/MickeyTerm Ver. 2.0
> The Force
> The Twin Orbs of my Brane
> Thoth/1.9.4.2011
> TkNews 2.0
> TkNews 3.0 (1.0.20)
> TkNews 3.0 (1.1.1)
> TkNews 3.0 (1.1.2)
> UPG1 UP/4.0 (compatible;Blazer 1.0)
> Unknown
> Unlisted
> Up hill, down dale
> Vectrex rn 2.1 (beta)
> ViewSplorf 1.0 (The grabbing hands grab all they can.)
> Virtual Access by Atlantic Coast PLC, http://www.atlantic-coast.com/va
> Virtual Access by Atlantic Coast PLC, http://www.soft-shop.com
> W3CLineMode/5.4.0 libwww/5.4.0
> W3C_Validator/1.183 libwww-perl/5.64
> White 'I am an idiot' Spirit
> WinBOT v1.0.5
> WinVN 0.99.12N (x86 32bit)
> WinVN 0.99.12y (x86 32bit)
> Windiff 3.0
> Would you believe, agent 86? (KKNT)
> XBoX 64 (NVidea GForce 3 Architecture)
> XWing
> XanaNews/1.19.1.372 (x86; Portable ISpell)
> XanaNews/1.20-0cfde51 (x86; Portable ISpell)
> XanaNews/1.21-f3fb89f (x86; Portable ISpell)
> Xiino/1.0.9E [en] (v. 4.1; 153x130; g4)
> Yanoff Conduit v1.0pre8
> Yarn 0.92 with YES 0.22 and Boxer 6.0
> Yo Ding Dong Man, Ding Dong, Ding Dong Yo
> ZipNews Reader/Mailer v0.93b (Beta)
> aseriesoftubes
> bMOBILE News 3.0
> com.subsume.NNTP/1.0.0
> console
> dfs says i need a User-Agent, so here it is
> flatfish
> flnews/0.14 (for HP-UX)
> fsuoihsduiofhdfgd
> general.useragent.override
> google g1/g2 ssl
> guess
> hidden
> iSTAR InfoRAMP Inc.
> missing
> mnews [version 1.22PL4] 2000-05/28(Sun)
> newsprog
> no
> none of your business Mnenhy/0.7.5.0
> posting.google.com 1203969134 25683 127.0.0.1 (18 Feb 2008 12:34:69 GMT)
> sdfhuyisguygsdf
> secret
> something-sco-did-not-write
> tin/1.8.2-20060425 ("Shillay") (UNIX) (SunOS/5.10 (i86pc))
> tinx 1.2.12
> vBulletin USENET gateway
> www.talkaboutcomputing.com
> zarathustra English
>|Peter's Homebrew Newsreader V0.1/0.1
> ✓
> 򙦚򪪪))))))򙡶񕝷񸢈

On 3/6/2024 9:20 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote at 19:58 this Wednesday (GMT):

> Reading this gave me a laugh.

I know!

Yo Ding Dong Man, Ding Dong, Ding Dong Yo
dfs says i need a User-Agent, so here it is
guess
no
Fuck you asshole

etc

Since I'm obsessed with assigning posts to newsreaders to operating
systems, I've read/visually scanned probably 10K User-Agent strings.

This is what the db table looks like: https://imgur.com/a/pI7tBUI

Relf wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> DFS wrote:
>
>> GuhNoo cadged everything they could from Unix,
--- UNIX ---

Crimosoft cadged everything they could from VMS and David Cutler.
FreeBSD cadged everything they could from 386BSD.
Apple cadged everything they could from FreeBSD.

> Is "Cadged" a popular word in Alabama ?!
>
> It means: to trick someone out of something they deserved.
>
> Ideas are not like candy, you can't "steal" them from a crying baby.

And now all these cadgers are becoming codgers!

--
Today is the last day of your life so far.

Relf wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> You (DFS) replied ( to me ):
>> > "Cadged" means: to trick someone out of something they deserved.
>>
>> "mooch" and "sponge" are the most appropriate synonyms for what they did.

GNU code contains not a speck of UNIX code. They rewrote it from scratch.

> Where did you "steal" "Cadged" from ? do they want it back ?!
> Are they annoyed by your constant "mooching" ?!
>
> -- I spoke "Atlanta", my PieceOfSh*t app wrote "Alabama";
> one day, I'll have a better SpeechToText app.
>
>> > Ideas are not like candy, you can't "steal" them from a crying baby.
>>
>> [ GuhNoo stole the names & functionality of existing Unix features.
>> Then they trademarked, "GNU is Not Unix". ]
>
> "Stole" ? really ?! as if Andrew Tanenbaum ( of "open" source MINIX fame ),
> looked in his vault, 1987, Amsterdam, & proclaimed:
> " Dammit Linus ! give it back. ".
>
> -- " Contributions of time, money, programs and equipment are greatly needed "
> said "Stallman the mooch".

DFS whines like a 56K modem.

--
You can do very well in speculation where land or anything to do with dirt
is concerned.

rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On Wed, 6 Mar 2024 14:24:49 -0500, DFS wrote:
>
>> They couldn't do the kernel part, though, and the Linux kernel came
>> along at just the right time.
>
> "This is the original announcement of the GNU Project, posted by Richard
> Stallman on September 27, 1983."
>
> I'm not a Stallman fan but *nix was a cluster fuck in 1983. AT&T's second
> anti-trust suit had just been settled and they could sell Unix. They'd
> been giving it to academic institutions, with a very arcane licensing for
> proprietary firms. I forget what variant on the Unix name I was using in
> 1983 but it fell off the back of a truck in Cambridge MA and ran on a
> PDP-11.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_wars
>
> Hurd never got off the ground. When Torvalds wrote a kernel loosely based
> on Tannenbaum's Minix in 1991he didn't expect it to go anywhere.
>
> Microsoft and SCO were also muddying the waters with Xenix. MS dropped
> Xenix although you have to wonder how much ultimately wound up in NT.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_NT

Microsoft hired a group of developers from Digital Equipment Corporation led
by Dave Cutler to build Windows NT, and many elements of the design reflect
earlier DEC experience with Cutler's VMS, VAXELN and RSX-11, but also an
unreleased object-based operating system developed by Cutler at Digital
codenamed MICA. The team was joined by selected members of the disbanded
OS/2 team, including Moshe Dunie.

Although NT was not an exact clone of Cutler's previous operating systems,
DEC engineers almost immediately noticed the internal similarities. Parts of
VAX/VMS Internals and Data Structures, published by Digital Press,
accurately describe Windows NT internals using VMS terms. Furthermore, parts
of the NT codebase's directory structure and filenames matched that of the
MICA codebase. Instead of a lawsuit, Microsoft agreed to pay DEC $65–100
million, help market VMS, train Digital personnel on Windows NT, and
continue Windows NT support for the DEC Alpha.

Microsoft done "cadged" it! :-D

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