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* When Is A Game Old?Spalls Hurgenson
+- Re: When Is A Game Old?Dimensional Traveler
+* Re: When Is A Game Old?candycanearter07
|+* Re: When Is A Game Old?Kyonshi
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|| +* Re: When Is A Game Old?Mike S.
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|| +- Re: When Is A Game Old?Anssi Saari
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|| +* Re: When Is A Game Old?Kyonshi
|| |`* Re: When Is A Game Old?Spalls Hurgenson
|| | `- Re: When Is A Game Old?Kyonshi
|| `* Re: When Is A Game Old?Ross Ridge
||  +- Re: When Is A Game Old?Mike S.
||  `* Re: When Is A Game Old?Justisaur
||   +* Re: When Is A Game Old?Kyonshi
||   |`* Re: When Is A Game Old?Mike S.
||   | `* Re: When Is A Game Old?Kyonshi
||   |  `* Re: When Is A Game Old?Spalls Hurgenson
||   |   +* Re: When Is A Game Old?Kyonshi
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||   |   |`* Re: When Is A Game Old?Ross Ridge
||   |   | `- Re: When Is A Game Old?Kyonshi
||   |   `* Re: When Is A Game Old?Xocyll
||   |    `* Re: When Is A Game Old?Spalls Hurgenson
||   |     `* Re: When Is A Game Old?Justisaur
||   |      `* Re: When Is A Game Old?Kyonshi
||   |       `* Re: When Is A Game Old?Ant
||   |        `* Re: When Is A Game Old?Dimensional Traveler
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||   |         |`* Re: When Is A Game Old?Xocyll
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||   |         | +- Re: When Is A Game Old?Spalls Hurgenson
||   |         | `- Re: When Is A Game Old?Anssi Saari
||   |         `* Re: When Is A Game Old?Justisaur
||   |          `- Re: When Is A Game Old?Spalls Hurgenson
||   `- Re: When Is A Game Old?Ross Ridge
|`* Re: When Is A Game Old?Spalls Hurgenson
| +- Re: When Is A Game Old?candycanearter07
| `* Re: When Is A Game Old?Kyonshi
|  `- Re: When Is A Game Old?candycanearter07
+- Re: When Is A Game Old?JAB
+* Re: When Is A Game Old?H1M3M
|+- Re: When Is A Game Old?candycanearter07
|`- Re: When Is A Game Old?Justisaur
+- Re: When Is A Game Old?Justisaur
+- Re: When Is A Game Old?Ross Ridge
+* Re: When Is A Game Old?Zaghadka
|`* Re: When Is A Game Old?Spalls Hurgenson
| +* Re: When Is A Game Old?candycanearter07
| |`* Re: When Is A Game Old?Spalls Hurgenson
| | +* Re: When Is A Game Old?Justisaur
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| | |   +- Re: When Is A Game Old?Ant
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| | |   |    +- Re: When Is A Game Old?Ross Ridge
| | |   |    `* Re: When Is A Game Old?candycanearter07
| | |   |     `* Re: When Is A Game Old?Ant
| | |   |      `* Re: When Is A Game Old?Justisaur
| | |   |       +- Re: When Is A Game Old?Kyonshi
| | |   |       +- Re: When Is A Game Old?JAB
| | |   |       `* Re: When Is A Game Old?Xocyll
| | |   |        `* Re: When Is A Game Old?Spalls Hurgenson
| | |   |         +- Re: When Is A Game Old?Ant
| | |   |         `* Re: When Is A Game Old?Xocyll
| | |   |          `* Re: When Is A Game Old?Dimensional Traveler
| | |   |           `* Re: When Is A Game Old?Spalls Hurgenson
| | |   |            `- Re: When Is A Game Old?Kyonshi
| | |   +* Re: When Is A Game Old?Zaghadka
| | |   |`- Re: When Is A Game Old?Spalls Hurgenson
| | |   `- Re: When Is A Game Old?Dimensional Traveler
| | `* Re: When Is A Game Old?candycanearter07
| `* Re: When Is A Game Old?Anssi Saari
`- Re: When Is A Game Old?Mark P. Nelson

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 by: Spalls Hurgenson - Mon, 15 Apr 2024 17:48 UTC

On Mon, 15 Apr 2024 07:59:22 -0700, Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>I haven't used a screen saver in so long I don't remember when the last
>time was. I do have the power settings to turn off the screen after 15
>minutes, but it was happening in less than 5 minutes.

Yeah, screensavers are quite pointless, especially since computers
come out of suspend so quickly. There's no necessity to them anymore,
so it's no surprise that most people don't use them. In fact,
Microsoft has made it pretty hard even to get to screensaver settings
in Windows 11. Arguably, they're even counter productive, since they
waste electricity. But they're pretty. ;-)

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 by: Ant - Mon, 15 Apr 2024 18:43 UTC

Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Apr 2024 07:59:22 -0700, Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com>
> wrote:

> >I haven't used a screen saver in so long I don't remember when the last
> >time was. I do have the power settings to turn off the screen after 15
> >minutes, but it was happening in less than 5 minutes.

> Yeah, screensavers are quite pointless, especially since computers
> come out of suspend so quickly. There's no necessity to them anymore,
> so it's no surprise that most people don't use them. In fact,
> Microsoft has made it pretty hard even to get to screensaver settings
> in Windows 11. Arguably, they're even counter productive, since they
> waste electricity. But they're pretty. ;-)

I use it to lock my session. Heck, using a boring blank black screen
saver would do before monitor sleeps. :P
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 by: candycanearter07 - Mon, 15 Apr 2024 18:53 UTC

Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote at 17:48 this Monday (GMT):
> On Mon, 15 Apr 2024 07:59:22 -0700, Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>>I haven't used a screen saver in so long I don't remember when the last
>>time was. I do have the power settings to turn off the screen after 15
>>minutes, but it was happening in less than 5 minutes.
>
> Yeah, screensavers are quite pointless, especially since computers
> come out of suspend so quickly. There's no necessity to them anymore,
> so it's no surprise that most people don't use them. In fact,
> Microsoft has made it pretty hard even to get to screensaver settings
> in Windows 11. Arguably, they're even counter productive, since they
> waste electricity. But they're pretty. ;-)
>
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I use xscreensaver bc I like how they look :)
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 by: Zaghadka - Mon, 15 Apr 2024 19:00 UTC

On Mon, 15 Apr 2024 13:48:07 -0400, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

>On Mon, 15 Apr 2024 07:59:22 -0700, Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>
>>I haven't used a screen saver in so long I don't remember when the last
>>time was. I do have the power settings to turn off the screen after 15
>>minutes, but it was happening in less than 5 minutes.
>
>Yeah, screensavers are quite pointless, especially since computers
>come out of suspend so quickly. There's no necessity to them anymore,
>so it's no surprise that most people don't use them. In fact,
>Microsoft has made it pretty hard even to get to screensaver settings
>in Windows 11. Arguably, they're even counter productive, since they
>waste electricity. But they're pretty. ;-)
>
I have an entire folder of old screen savers. Some of them are no longer
compatible with Windows.

It is amazing how fast "3DPipes" (from NT4) chugs along in this day and
age.

Unfortunately, while when you preview "3D Bubbles," it leaves the screen
up, when it actually runs, it still blacks the whole screen out. Hasn't
worked right since at least Windows 8. It's my favorite.

It's also a toss-up how they will deal with multiple screens.

--
Zag

No one ever said on their deathbed, 'Gee, I wish I had
spent more time alone with my computer.' ~Dan(i) Bunten

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 by: Dimensional Traveler - Tue, 16 Apr 2024 01:11 UTC

On 4/15/2024 10:48 AM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Apr 2024 07:59:22 -0700, Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I haven't used a screen saver in so long I don't remember when the last
>> time was. I do have the power settings to turn off the screen after 15
>> minutes, but it was happening in less than 5 minutes.
>
> Yeah, screensavers are quite pointless, especially since computers
> come out of suspend so quickly. There's no necessity to them anymore,
> so it's no surprise that most people don't use them. In fact,
> Microsoft has made it pretty hard even to get to screensaver settings
> in Windows 11. Arguably, they're even counter productive, since they
> waste electricity. But they're pretty. ;-)
>
If I'm not actively using my PC I turn the monitors off.

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I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
dirty old man.

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 by: Kyonshi - Tue, 16 Apr 2024 07:31 UTC

On 4/10/2024 4:59 PM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Apr 2024 12:11:23 +0200, Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>
>> This one I found way later. I remember I was choosing between Daggerfall
>> and this one, and chose the Battletech game because they wanted full
>> price for Daggerfall years after it came out.
>> But well, I think they just found some stuff when cleaning their storage
>> and decided to put it all out.
>> It wasn't like this was even a proper computer store, this was a
>> department store with a small computer section. Which, come to think of
>> it, didn't actually survive until today.
>
> Ah, the joys of raiding a clearance sale to pick up all the old games
> you missed out the first time.
>
> (And the inevitable befuddlement when you see - as with your
> "Daggerfall" example - that they're weirdly still charging full price
> for a few of those ancient titles)
>
> Honestly, given the choice of "Crescent Hawk's Revenge" and
> "Daggerfall" - and despite everything I said about "Revenge" earlier -
> you made the better choice. "Revenge" wasn't a fun game, but the
> developers had a vision of what they wanted the game to be, and I
> think they achieved it. "Daggerfall" was just a mess of unrealized
> potential and bad design, held together with buggy code.
>
>

well, as I mentioned, the disk gave me a virus, and altogether I put
more time into Daggerfall than Revenge becaus it kind of soured me on
the game.

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 by: Kyonshi - Tue, 16 Apr 2024 07:29 UTC

On 4/9/2024 12:30 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:

>
> If single-game handhelds count, I think I have some Tiger
> Electronics-esque ones somewhere. Otherwise, probably one of my NDS
> cartridges..

Huh, I just remembered that one Tetris game we had as kids. My parents
did not want to buy us a game boy, so we got an oddly shaped single-game
thing with an LCD screen.
From what I know this still is around at my parents' house, my dad has
it in his bathroom as a time waster.

It was this one btw (not my picture, just something I found on reddit):
https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2F7hf51y7dwib91.jpg
I mean, it was Tetris, what more can you want?

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 by: Kyonshi - Tue, 16 Apr 2024 07:52 UTC

On 4/8/2024 11:09 PM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
> On Mon, 8 Apr 2024 09:27:05 +0200, Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On a related note: what's the oldest media (tape, floppy, cd-rom,
> cartridge) you still have for a game?
>
> I still have a 5.25" floppy disk for Infocom's "Hitchhiker's Guide to
> the Galaxy" for the Apple II lying around somewhere. I've no idea if
> it still works, though. According to Mobygames, that dates it to as
> far back as 1984 (although, honestly, I can't remember how 'new' the
> game was when I purchased it).
>
> On PC, that honor probably goes to "Ultima VI" (1990). I imaged (and
> then discarded) most of my floppy disks years ago in order to make
> space and only kept the disks for a handful of favorites. The Ultima
> games definitely fall into that last category.
>
> But I think the oldest video game 'media' I still have are the faded
> pages ripped from some magazine that listed the Basic code that made
> up a really primitive 'Star Trek' game. I dutifully typed it out into
> my 8-bit and was immediately disappointed by the results. The disk I
> saved the code to is long gone, but for some reason I hung onto the
> magazine pages. It's yellowed and crinkly and probably missing a page
> or three, but it's still buried in the closet somewhere...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

oh, wait wait, I just remembered something I have.
My mum at one point brought this computer home which her boss had
mustered out:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/51/Kosmos_cp1.jpg
It barely would count as a game though, it's a programmable learning
computer and a few of the listings in the manual are for games (dice
games, roulette, etc.).
Of course the main problem was that it was really complicated and really
basic. The machine only had RAM, no inbuilt physical drives, and only
had a 6 digit display.

Technically you could get expansion boards to connect it with tape
recorders to make a makeshift tape drive, to connect it with breadboards
from the same manufacturer (they mostly were doing experimental kits for
kids), and I think there was also one to expand the RAM to twice the
size. But I got this 12 years after it came out, and of course none of
that was easily in the mid-90s.
The memory by the way was able to hold the whole of 128 commands of it's
own dialect of machine code. Which you could use to program your own
programs, as long as you were content with having whatever you wanted to
program display in the rather limited display.

It was a fascinating experience, but the limitations of the system made
it difficult to really get hyped about it. The previous owner seems to
have had similar thoughts, as it was noticeable that only the first two
listings had any signs of use.

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 by: Kyonshi - Tue, 16 Apr 2024 07:56 UTC

On 4/15/2024 8:53 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
> Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote at 17:48 this Monday (GMT):

> I use xscreensaver bc I like how they look :)

there's some nice ones in there, but I think nothing new has been added
the last decade or so?

It kind of went away. People don't set them anymore.

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 by: candycanearter07 - Tue, 16 Apr 2024 15:10 UTC

Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote at 07:56 this Tuesday (GMT):
> On 4/15/2024 8:53 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
>> Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote at 17:48 this Monday (GMT):
>
>> I use xscreensaver bc I like how they look :)
>
> there's some nice ones in there, but I think nothing new has been added
> the last decade or so?

https://www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/changelog.html
Newest one was August 2023. Pretty recent..

> It kind of went away. People don't set them anymore.

I guess. I like em tho.
--
user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

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 by: Xocyll - Tue, 16 Apr 2024 16:18 UTC

Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> looked up from reading the entrails of the
porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs say:

>On 4/15/2024 8:53 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
>> Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote at 17:48 this Monday (GMT):
>
>> I use xscreensaver bc I like how they look :)
>
>there's some nice ones in there, but I think nothing new has been added
>the last decade or so?
>
>It kind of went away. People don't set them anymore.

It's no wonder with us all using flat screens of some kind.

CRTs were _very_ prone to burn in, LCDs and such far less so.

I don't even turn em off anymore, much less use a blank screen
screensaver, and the one LCD is at least 10 years old, not even a trace
of burn in.

A CRT of that age, on all the time, with the same images, icons etc,
would be showing burn in.

Screen savers died as a thing cause we just don't need them anymore.
They're the modern day buggy whip, once everyone had em and used em, now
it's just the Amish types. I dare say there are still folks out there
with CRT monitors.

You know it just occurred to me that even saying CRT might get confusing
these days, since there's another meaning to those letters now (Critical
Race Theory vs Cathode Ray Tube.)

Xocyll

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 by: candycanearter07 - Tue, 16 Apr 2024 16:30 UTC

Xocyll <Xocyll@gmx.com> wrote at 16:18 this Tuesday (GMT):
> Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> looked up from reading the entrails of the
> porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs say:
>
>>On 4/15/2024 8:53 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>> Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote at 17:48 this Monday (GMT):
>>
>>> I use xscreensaver bc I like how they look :)
>>
>>there's some nice ones in there, but I think nothing new has been added
>>the last decade or so?
>>
>>It kind of went away. People don't set them anymore.
>
> It's no wonder with us all using flat screens of some kind.
>
> CRTs were _very_ prone to burn in, LCDs and such far less so.
>
> I don't even turn em off anymore, much less use a blank screen
> screensaver, and the one LCD is at least 10 years old, not even a trace
> of burn in.
>
> A CRT of that age, on all the time, with the same images, icons etc,
> would be showing burn in.
>
> Screen savers died as a thing cause we just don't need them anymore.
> They're the modern day buggy whip, once everyone had em and used em, now
> it's just the Amish types. I dare say there are still folks out there
> with CRT monitors.
>
> You know it just occurred to me that even saying CRT might get confusing
> these days, since there's another meaning to those letters now (Critical
> Race Theory vs Cathode Ray Tube.)
>
> Xocyll

I'm sure CRT's will continue to be well known..
--
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 by: Spalls Hurgenson - Tue, 16 Apr 2024 16:50 UTC

On Tue, 16 Apr 2024 09:52:11 +0200, Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>oh, wait wait, I just remembered something I have.
>My mum at one point brought this computer home which her boss had
>mustered out:
>https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/51/Kosmos_cp1.jpg
>It barely would count as a game though, it's a programmable learning
>computer and a few of the listings in the manual are for games (dice
>games, roulette, etc.).
>Of course the main problem was that it was really complicated and really
>basic. The machine only had RAM, no inbuilt physical drives, and only
>had a 6 digit display.

Just the base machine looks oddly fascinating. It's the sort of thing
I wish I might have had access to in the early days of computing. It
probably would have given me a leg-up on programming. Who knows, I
might have become the next John Carmack! ;-)

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 by: Spalls Hurgenson - Tue, 16 Apr 2024 16:56 UTC

On Mon, 15 Apr 2024 14:00:08 -0500, Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>On Mon, 15 Apr 2024 13:48:07 -0400, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
>Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 15 Apr 2024 07:59:22 -0700, Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>I haven't used a screen saver in so long I don't remember when the last
>>>time was. I do have the power settings to turn off the screen after 15
>>>minutes, but it was happening in less than 5 minutes.
>>
>>Yeah, screensavers are quite pointless, especially since computers
>>come out of suspend so quickly. There's no necessity to them anymore,
>>so it's no surprise that most people don't use them. In fact,
>>Microsoft has made it pretty hard even to get to screensaver settings
>>in Windows 11. Arguably, they're even counter productive, since they
>>waste electricity. But they're pretty. ;-)
>>
>I have an entire folder of old screen savers. Some of them are no longer
>compatible with Windows.
>
>It is amazing how fast "3DPipes" (from NT4) chugs along in this day and
>age.
>
>Unfortunately, while when you preview "3D Bubbles," it leaves the screen
>up, when it actually runs, it still blacks the whole screen out. Hasn't
>worked right since at least Windows 8. It's my favorite.
>
>It's also a toss-up how they will deal with multiple screens.

I've a collection of screensavers I've collected over the years. Some
of which aren't compatible with modern versions of Windows, but you'd
be surprised by how many still are. I purchased a whole range of '3D
screensavers' ten+ years ago too. All of which get tossed into the
rotation, although mostly I only fire them up for special occassions.
My usual is the "Ribbons" screensaver, which looks beautiful spanning
all four monitors (I'm a sucker for glowing neon ;-).

LCDs can suffer from burn-in, but tend to be a lot more resistant to
it. Letting the monitor tick over into sleep mode after ten minutes of
inactivity is the best way of avoiding the problem. I just prefer to
use something more... colorful.

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 by: Ross Ridge - Tue, 16 Apr 2024 18:22 UTC

Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
>On a related note: what's the oldest media (tape, floppy, cd-rom,
>cartridge) you still have for a game?

I still have a box full my old Commodore 64 games in their original
packaging. The oldest game in that collection would be the Commodore
version of the Infocom game Suspended. The oldest media I have though
would be a floppy for the C64 version Lode Runner, but I don't think I
have the box for that.

I'm not sure what the oldest PC game media I have is. I have 5.25"
floppies for Command HQ, Dragon Wars, MegaTraveller 1, and SSG's Panzer
Battles. I believe Panzer Battles is the oldest of these games in terms
of release date, but I would purcased them all a few years after they
were released.

>I still have a 5.25" floppy disk for Infocom's "Hitchhiker's Guide to
>the Galaxy" for the Apple II lying around somewhere. I've no idea if
>it still works, though. According to Mobygames, that dates it to as
>far back as 1984 (although, honestly, I can't remember how 'new' the
>game was when I purchased it).
>
>On PC, that honor probably goes to "Ultima VI" (1990). I imaged (and
>then discarded) most of my floppy disks years ago in order to make
>space and only kept the disks for a handful of favorites. The Ultima
>games definitely fall into that last category.

I have the Commodore 64 versions of both of these games, in their
original boxes, but the Hitchhicker's Guide to the Galaxy is missing
some of feelies.

>But I think the oldest video game 'media' I still have are the faded
>pages ripped from some magazine that listed the Basic code that made
>up a really primitive 'Star Trek' game. I dutifully typed it out into
>my 8-bit and was immediately disappointed by the results. The disk I
>saved the code to is long gone, but for some reason I hung onto the
>magazine pages. It's yellowed and crinkly and probably missing a page
>or three, but it's still buried in the closet somewhere...

I'm not sure why I kept them but I have a copy of the November and
December 1983 issues of Compute!. It was robably because they were
unusally thick issues for the magazine at the time. I don't think any
of the type-in programs included were particularly interesting.

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 by: Kyonshi - Wed, 17 Apr 2024 11:07 UTC

On 4/16/2024 6:50 PM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Apr 2024 09:52:11 +0200, Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>
>> oh, wait wait, I just remembered something I have.
>> My mum at one point brought this computer home which her boss had
>> mustered out:
>> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/51/Kosmos_cp1.jpg
>> It barely would count as a game though, it's a programmable learning
>> computer and a few of the listings in the manual are for games (dice
>> games, roulette, etc.).
>> Of course the main problem was that it was really complicated and really
>> basic. The machine only had RAM, no inbuilt physical drives, and only
>> had a 6 digit display.
>
> Just the base machine looks oddly fascinating. It's the sort of thing
> I wish I might have had access to in the early days of computing. It
> probably would have given me a leg-up on programming. Who knows, I
> might have become the next John Carmack! ;-)
>
>
>

Well, I only got my hands on it when I already had some BASIC classes
under my belt. Not that they helped any. Neither did having the CP1.

Although, to get it back to gaming, it might have helped me beating
Human Resource Machine. But that hardly was that difficult.

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 by: Kyonshi - Wed, 17 Apr 2024 11:08 UTC

On 4/16/2024 6:30 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:

>
>
> I'm sure CRT's will continue to be well known..

Not sure, when was the last time you actually saw one?
I mean, my kids know they existed, but mostly from movies and stuff.

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 by: Mike S. - Wed, 17 Apr 2024 13:17 UTC

On Tue, 16 Apr 2024 18:22:10 -0000 (UTC), rridge@csclub.uwaterloo.ca
(Ross Ridge) wrote:

>I still have a box full my old Commodore 64 games in their original
>packaging. The oldest game in that collection would be the Commodore
>version of the Infocom game Suspended. The oldest media I have though
>would be a floppy for the C64 version Lode Runner, but I don't think I
>have the box for that.

My Infocom C-64 games are probably my oldest games but they are stored
away in my garage and I am too lazy to check the actual copyright
dates.

>I'm not sure what the oldest PC game media I have is. I have 5.25"
>floppies for Command HQ, Dragon Wars, MegaTraveller 1, and SSG's Panzer
>Battles. I believe Panzer Battles is the oldest of these games in terms
>of release date, but I would purcased them all a few years after they
>were released.

My oldest PC game by release year is Wizardry 1: Proving Grounds of
the Mad Overlord but it is obviously a re-release because it is
actually Copyright 1987.
I don't have Dragon Wars but I do have the Bard's Tale. It too is
Copyright 1987.

>I have the Commodore 64 versions of both of these games, in their
>original boxes, but the Hitchhicker's Guide to the Galaxy is missing
>some of feelies.

The only feelie I ever managed not to lose was the glowing purple rock
from Wishbringer.

>I'm not sure why I kept them but I have a copy of the November and
>December 1983 issues of Compute!. It was robably because they were
>unusally thick issues for the magazine at the time. I don't think any
>of the type-in programs included were particularly interesting.

I kept all of my magazines from the PC era. Oldest issue I have is
QuestBusters dated June 89.

I used to read a sister magazine to Compute called Compute's Gazette
which was specifically for Commodore computers. I never kept those
magazines though. They are long gone. They would have been my oldest
if I still had them.

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 by: Justisaur - Wed, 17 Apr 2024 14:03 UTC

On 4/16/2024 11:22 AM, Ross Ridge wrote:
> Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On a related note: what's the oldest media (tape, floppy, cd-rom,
>> cartridge) you still have for a game?
>
> I still have a box full my old Commodore 64 games in their original
> packaging. The oldest game in that collection would be the Commodore
> version of the Infocom game Suspended. The oldest media I have though
> would be a floppy for the C64 version Lode Runner, but I don't think I
> have the box for that.
>
> I'm not sure what the oldest PC game media I have is. I have 5.25"
> floppies for Command HQ, Dragon Wars, MegaTraveller 1, and SSG's Panzer
> Battles. I believe Panzer Battles is the oldest of these games in terms
> of release date, but I would purcased them all a few years after they
> were released.

Megatraveler, there's a game I liked I haven't thought about in a long
time. Are you sure at least MegaTraveller wasn't 3.5" it was released
in 1990 as far as I can tell, and that seems a bit late for 5.25"? But
I could be wrong, that's 34 years ago.

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 by: Ross Ridge - Wed, 17 Apr 2024 17:56 UTC

Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:
>Not sure, when was the last time you actually saw one?

I'm looking at one right now. It's not the monitor I'm using now,
but there's a CRT TV just to the left of it in the background.

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 by: Kyonshi - Wed, 17 Apr 2024 18:36 UTC

On 4/17/2024 4:03 PM, Justisaur wrote:

> Megatraveler, there's a game I liked I haven't thought about in a long
> time.  Are you sure at least MegaTraveller wasn't 3.5" it was released
> in 1990 as far as I can tell, and that seems a bit late for 5.25"?  But
> I could be wrong, that's 34 years ago.

Nah, 1990 still was in the 5.25" time. They only faded from view a few
years later. I remember when we bought our first 486 in... 1993? we had
the choice between one with a 3.5" and one with both 3.5" and 5.25", and
my dad took the one without the 5.25" drive. To my consternation,
because I thought those disks looked kinda cool, and my uncle had a huge
collection of games on them already.

(and for what it's worth, here is an ebay offer for a sealed 5.25" copy
of the game: https://www.ebay.com/itm/235038004341)

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 by: Ross Ridge - Thu, 18 Apr 2024 02:57 UTC

Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Megatraveler, there's a game I liked I haven't thought about in a long
>time. Are you sure at least MegaTraveller wasn't 3.5" it was released
>in 1990 as far as I can tell, and that seems a bit late for 5.25"? But
>I could be wrong, that's 34 years ago.

Yah, my copy of MegaTraveller 1 came on 5.25" disks. I have them in
of those disk cases you can flip through sitting on a shelf, so I had
them in my hands before writing that. (Otherwise I probably would have
forgotten I had them.) They have 3.0 version numbers hand written on
the labels with a black marker, so I'm guessing they probably were made
sometime after 1990.

Games on 3.5" disks didn't really become the norm until 1992 or so
when the PC game market really got going. Before than though some
games shipped in both 5.25" and 3.5" versions, like the first two Wing
Commander games. My copy of Dragon Wars actually came with both 3.5"
and 5.25" disks.

One complicating factor was that 5.25" disks came in 360K or 1.2M versions
while 3.5" disks had 720K and 1.44M versions. I'm guessing all my 5.25"
PC games are on 360K disks as that was the lowest common denomitor,
and they weren't particularily big games.

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On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 20:36:49 +0200, Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:

>Nah, 1990 still was in the 5.25" time. They only faded from view a few
>years later. I remember when we bought our first 486 in... 1993? we had
>the choice between one with a 3.5" and one with both 3.5" and 5.25", and
>my dad took the one without the 5.25" drive. To my consternation,
>because I thought those disks looked kinda cool, and my uncle had a huge
>collection of games on them already.
>
>(and for what it's worth, here is an ebay offer for a sealed 5.25" copy
>of the game: https://www.ebay.com/itm/235038004341)

Yeah, my copy of Might and Magic 3 has a Copyright date of 1991 and it
came on 5.25 floppies.

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 by: candycanearter07 - Thu, 18 Apr 2024 14:30 UTC

Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote at 11:08 this Wednesday (GMT):
> On 4/16/2024 6:30 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I'm sure CRT's will continue to be well known..
>
> Not sure, when was the last time you actually saw one?
> I mean, my kids know they existed, but mostly from movies and stuff.

Today.
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 by: Ant - Thu, 18 Apr 2024 20:01 UTC

candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
> Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote at 11:08 this Wednesday (GMT):
> > On 4/16/2024 6:30 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> I'm sure CRT's will continue to be well known..
> >
> > Not sure, when was the last time you actually saw one?
> > I mean, my kids know they existed, but mostly from movies and stuff.

> Today.

Same. Still have them, but not in used.
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