doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) composa la prose suivante:

>In article <uk2clt$9u8$1@tncsrv09.home.tnetconsulting.net>,
>Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> wrote:
>>On 11/26/23 14:51, el1a wrote:

>>> I plan on running it indefinitely.
>>
>>Send me an email. I'm happy to peer with you.
>>

>Same here!

Same here.

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Am 27.11.2023 um 19:02:49 Uhr schrieb D:

> is ftp ?
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Transfer_Protocol

A rather tricky question.
RFC 765 of course, but original RFC 114 ran on NCP.
Is that Internet?
It was the predecessor of IP.

On 11/27/23 13:01, Marco Moock wrote:
> A rather tricky question.

Chuckle.

> RFC 765 of course, but original RFC 114 ran on NCP.
> Is that Internet?
> It was the predecessor of IP.

I was thinking the same thing.

I'm glad that someone brought it up.

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On 11/27/23 10:03, Marco Moock wrote:
> Also with reader clients?

Eh ... it depends.

Admittedly I was thinking primarily about the amount of text Usenet
traffic per day. I'm sticking with 50 - 100 MB. I'm fairly certain
that can be transferred across a dial up modem in less than a day.

There's also the question of how would client's be connecting? If they
are over the same dial up modem connection that would imply not always
on operation which brings it's own set of problems. If it's LAN based,
well, then the dial up modem doesn't count. Dumb terminals connected to
a serial port (other than the one the dial up modem is connected to) are
also out of scope. }:-)

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On 11/27/23 10:17, D wrote:
> okay . . . so how usenet was used before the internet, i.e. uucp or
> "unix-to-unix copy",

I suspect before IP, news clients would connect terminals / emulators to
serial ports, possibly ~> likely via dial up modem, and access the news
spool directly from the news server.

Servers were almost certainly configured as peers and used UUCP or
something comparable but proprietary.

> is not the same as how usenet became used once
> tcp/ip or "internet protocol suite" became global industry standard,

When the introduction of TCP/IP clients started to be run on systems
other than the news server and accessed the news server remotely, likely
across the LAN, but possibly across dial up connections.

So the biggest difference I see in before and after the introduction of
TCP/IP is where the news client program was run;

- before: on the news server
- after: on client systems

> making usenet truly an internet service (except for anyone who uses
> old-fashioned dial-up to connect directly to an nntp server)...yes?

I don't think so.

Usenet is a network of news servers. That network is independent of how
client's access the news server.

There are other LAN protocols that clients can use to connect to servers
across a LAN or even dial up.

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Hey Graant! Is Tayor UUCP still available?
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On 11/27/23 18:24, The Doctor wrote:
> Hey Graant! Is Tayor UUCP still available?

I assume so. ... It's still in recent Gentoo portage tree.

As I've said before, I'm not (knowingly) related to the maintainer of
Taylor UUCP.

Grant. . . .

On Mon, 27 Nov 2023 18:06:17 -0600, Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> wrote:
>On 11/27/23 10:17, D wrote:
>> okay . . . so how usenet was used before the internet, i.e. uucp or
>> "unix-to-unix copy",
>
>I suspect before IP, news clients would connect terminals / emulators to
>serial ports, possibly ~> likely via dial up modem, and access the news
>spool directly from the news server.
>Servers were almost certainly configured as peers and used UUCP or
>something comparable but proprietary.
>
>> is not the same as how usenet became used once
>> tcp/ip or "internet protocol suite" became global industry standard,
>
>When the introduction of TCP/IP clients started to be run on systems
>other than the news server and accessed the news server remotely, likely
>across the LAN, but possibly across dial up connections.
>So the biggest difference I see in before and after the introduction of
>TCP/IP is where the news client program was run;
>
> - before: on the news server
> - after: on client systems
>
>> making usenet truly an internet service (except for anyone who uses
>> old-fashioned dial-up to connect directly to an nntp server)...yes?
>
>I don't think so.
>Usenet is a network of news servers. That network is independent of how
>client's access the news server.
>There are other LAN protocols that clients can use to connect to servers
>across a LAN or even dial up.

seems like very helpful responses to this thread, in other ways too, but
the op <me@elia.li> did state "...trying to start a inn2 news server for
a school project... to set up and document an internet service", thereby
describing a news server as (albeit not exclusively) an internet service;
so while it's possible to connect to usenet in lieu of internet protocol,
the internet is how most users connect to the usenet news server network,
so simply calling usenet "an internet service" is for most users correct

On Mon, 27 Nov 2023 19:41:54 -0600, Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> wrote:
>On 11/27/23 18:24, The Doctor wrote:
>> Hey Graant! Is Tayor UUCP still available?
>
>I assume so. ... It's still in recent Gentoo portage tree.
>As I've said before, I'm not (knowingly) related to the maintainer of
>Taylor UUCP.
>Grant. . . .

i don't know a thing about this, but . . .

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=taylor+uucp

On 11/27/23 20:40, D wrote:
> seems like very helpful responses to this thread, in other ways too, but
> the op<me@elia.li> did state "...trying to start a inn2 news server for
> a school project... to set up and document an internet service", thereby
> describing a news server as (albeit not exclusively) an internet service;
> so while it's possible to connect to usenet in lieu of internet protocol,
> the internet is how most users connect to the usenet news server network,
> so simply calling usenet "an internet service" is for most users correct

Fair enough.

But you get into "what is an internet service"?

Arguably any service that is accessible via the Internet is an internet
service.

Grant. . . .

In article <uk3gh2$kcn$1@tncsrv09.home.tnetconsulting.net>,
Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> wrote:
>On 11/27/23 18:24, The Doctor wrote:
>> Hey Graant! Is Tayor UUCP still available?
>
>I assume so. ... It's still in recent Gentoo portage tree.
>
>As I've said before, I'm not (knowingly) related to the maintainer of
>Taylor UUCP.
>
>
>
>Grant. . . .

Sorry , that is Ian Taylor.
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Am 27.11.2023 um 18:06:17 Uhr schrieb Grant Taylor:

> I suspect before IP, news clients would connect terminals / emulators
> to serial ports, possibly ~> likely via dial up modem, and access the
> news spool directly from the news server.

From the stuff I heard, they connected to the server via serial line
(maybe with a modem or ISDN from remote) and read it with a software
that reads from the spool on the file system.

On Mon, 27 Nov 2023 21:38:00 -0600, Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> wrote:
>On 11/27/23 20:40, D wrote:
>> seems like very helpful responses to this thread, in other ways too, but
>> the op<me@elia.li> did state "...trying to start a inn2 news server for
>> a school project... to set up and document an internet service", thereby
>> describing a news server as (albeit not exclusively) an internet service;
>> so while it's possible to connect to usenet in lieu of internet protocol,
>> the internet is how most users connect to the usenet news server network,
>> so simply calling usenet "an internet service" is for most users correct
>
>Fair enough.
>But you get into "what is an internet service"?
>Arguably any service that is accessible via the Internet is an internet
>service.
>Grant. . . .

so generally speaking, while usenet is most widely available on the internet,
it may also be available on local area network or dial-up with usenet access;

On 11/28/23 09:58, D wrote:
> so generally speaking, while usenet is most widely available on the internet,
> it may also be available on local area network or dial-up with usenet access;

Yep.

Usenet servers used to be common things in University networks wherein
students & staff would access the server across the LAN.

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Hi,
el1a <me@elia.li> writes:

>> Elia <me@elia.li> writes:
>>
>>> I am currently trying to start a inn2 news server for a school
>>> project, and I'm looking for peers to start. I currently do not have
>>> any peers as i just started. Cleanfeed is obviously used, static IP
>>> too.

It's great to read this good news!

> I plan on running it indefinitely.

If you need another peer, you can drop me an email.

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In article <878r6gly68.fsf@dellbian7280.pasdenom.info>,
yamo' <news@pasdenom.info> wrote:
>Hi,
>el1a <me@elia.li> writes:
>
>>> Elia <me@elia.li> writes:
>>>
>>>> I am currently trying to start a inn2 news server for a school
>>>> project, and I'm looking for peers to start. I currently do not have
>>>> any peers as i just started. Cleanfeed is obviously used, static IP
>>>> too.
>
>It's great to read this good news!
>
>> I plan on running it indefinitely.
>
>If you need another peer, you can drop me an email.
>
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Many will help you with the setup in news.software.nntp .

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On Sun, 26 Nov 2023 21:14:14 +0100
Elia <me@elia.li> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I am currently trying to start a inn2 news server for a school
> project, and I'm looking for peers to start. I currently do not have
> any peers as i just started. Cleanfeed is obviously used, static IP
> too.
>
> Contact me directly if you are willing to peer.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Elia

I am happy to peer with you. YOu can find my details at
https://www.endofthelinebbs.com/peering.html - just respond with your
relevant configuration and I'll get you going.

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On Sun, 26 Nov 2023 21:47:40 +0100
el1a <me@elia.li> wrote:

> On 26/11/2023 21:25, Marco Moock wrote:
> > Am 26.11.2023 um 21:14:14 Uhr schrieb Elia:
> >
> >> I am currently trying to start a inn2 news server for a school
> >> project,
> >
> > Great.
> > Can you tell use more about that project, it sounds interesting.
> >
> We need to set up and document an internet service, and then present
> it to class. Chose a news server because it's really unknown in my
> class and wanted to show them something

That sounds fantastic. Would love to see an influx of fresh, new views
into the world of usenet.

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