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* Google is dropping support for posting on Usenet groups; what are weSam Habiel
+* Re: Google is dropping support for posting on Usenet groups; what areK.S. Bhaskar
|`* Re: Google is dropping support for posting on Usenet groups; what areJens
| `* Re: Google is dropping support for posting on Usenet groups; what areMaury Pepper
|  +- Re: Google is dropping support for posting on Usenet groups; whatMatthew R. Wilson
|  `- Re: Google is dropping support for posting on Usenet groups; what areRod Dorman
`- Re: Google is dropping support for posting on Usenet groups; what areed de moel

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Subject: Google is dropping support for posting on Usenet groups; what are we
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 by: Sam Habiel - Fri, 15 Dec 2023 20:18 UTC

Since comp.lang.mumps is a Usenet group and Google Groups is dropping support of Usenet groups (https://support.google.com/groups/answer/11036538), we have a few choices as a group.

- Do nothing. Individuals can drop off, sign up with a Usenet service provider, or run their own UUCP node (as I did in 1989 with my first home computer; I wouldn't today, and don't recommend it for most people).
- Start a MUMPS Google Group. However, I would recommend against this as well, since Google has understaffed Google Groups for years, and supposedly don't support their newest search features on Google Groups. I would not be surprised if they put Google Groups on the chopping block a few years hence..
- Add non-YottaDB discussion channels to the YottaDB Discord server. The server has moderators who are part of YottaDB as well as not part of YottaDB.
- Create a MUMPS group on a site like Freelists (https://freelists.org). I am willing to create a group and be a moderator if at least one non-YottaDB person volunteers to be a fellow-moderator.
- Something else.

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Subject: Re: Google is dropping support for posting on Usenet groups; what are
we going to do?
From: ksbhaskar@gmail.com (K.S. Bhaskar)
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 by: K.S. Bhaskar - Fri, 15 Dec 2023 20:59 UTC

On Friday, December 15, 2023 at 3:18:52 PM UTC-5, Sam Habiel wrote:
> Since comp.lang.mumps is a Usenet group and Google Groups is dropping support of Usenet groups (https://support.google.com/groups/answer/11036538), we have a few choices as a group.
>
> - Do nothing. Individuals can drop off, sign up with a Usenet service provider, or run their own UUCP node (as I did in 1989 with my first home computer; I wouldn't today, and don't recommend it for most people).
> - Start a MUMPS Google Group. However, I would recommend against this as well, since Google has understaffed Google Groups for years, and supposedly don't support their newest search features on Google Groups. I would not be surprised if they put Google Groups on the chopping block a few years hence.
> - Add non-YottaDB discussion channels to the YottaDB Discord server. The server has moderators who are part of YottaDB as well as not part of YottaDB.
> - Create a MUMPS group on a site like Freelists (https://freelists.org). I am willing to create a group and be a moderator if at least one non-YottaDB person volunteers to be a fellow-moderator.
> - Something else.

Thanks for working your magic and posting this for me, Sam. Google wouldn't accept the identical post from me!

– Bhaskar

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Subject: Re: Google is dropping support for posting on Usenet groups; what are
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 by: Jens - Sat, 16 Dec 2023 12:42 UTC

There's not much traffic in this group anymore. In my opinion we should move to the discord-channel.

Jens

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Subject: Re: Google is dropping support for posting on Usenet groups; what are
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 by: Maury Pepper - Sun, 17 Dec 2023 01:19 UTC

On Saturday, December 16, 2023 at 6:42:59 AM UTC-6, Jens wrote:
> There's not much traffic in this group anymore. In my opinion we should move to the discord-channel.
>
> Jens

I would prefer a neutral site like Google Groups rather than a vendor site. comp.lang.mumps has had such a long life, and it will continue to exist even if another group is created elsewhere. I've been exploring various NNTP/Newsgroup readers/clients. There are some free and paid choices, but not a lot. I'm curious what others have been using if not Google and how they rate it.

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 by: Matthew R. Wilson - Sun, 17 Dec 2023 01:36 UTC

On 2023-12-17, Maury Pepper <mpepper%ieee.org@gtempaccount.com> wrote:
> On Saturday, December 16, 2023 at 6:42:59 AM UTC-6, Jens wrote:
>> There's not much traffic in this group anymore. In my opinion we should move to the discord-channel.
>
> I would prefer a neutral site like Google Groups rather than a vendor site. comp.lang.mumps has had such a long life, and it will continue to exist even if another group is created elsewhere. I've been exploring various NNTP/Newsgroup readers/clients. There are some free and paid choices, but not a lot. I'm curious what others have been using if not Google and how they rate it.

I use Eternal September (http://www.eternal-september.org/) as my NNTP
provider and slrn (https://slrn.info/) as my client. Works great! Still
much better than any web-based forums, and Discord (aside from being
proprietary) is way too transitory; it's much closer to IRC than
newsgroups.

-Matthew

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 by: Rod Dorman - Sun, 17 Dec 2023 06:23 UTC

In article <0a76594a-5e70-4dff-bbac-26d1a77d1837n@googlegroups.com>,
Maury Pepper <mpepper%ieee.org@gtempaccount.com> wrote:
>On Saturday, December 16, 2023 at 6:42:59 AM UTC-6, Jens wrote:
>> There's not much traffic in this group anymore. In my opinion we should move to the discord-channel.
>
>I would prefer a neutral site like Google Groups rather than a vendor site. comp.lang.mumps has had such a long life, and it will
>continue to exist even if another group is created elsewhere. I've been exploring various NNTP/Newsgroup readers/clients. There are
>some free and paid choices, but not a lot. I'm curious what others have been using if not Google and how they rate it.

I've got a UNIX account (panix.com) that I SSH into and use a Usenet newsreader

--
-- Rod --
rod.dorman.esq(at)gmail(dot)com

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Bhaskar was kind enough to create a new group on GoogleGroups: everythingmumps

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