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* DICOM: JPEG + APP2 markerMathieu Malaterre
`* Re: DICOM: JPEG + APP2 markerDavid Clunie
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Subject: DICOM: JPEG + APP2 marker
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 by: Mathieu Malaterre - Fri, 18 Mar 2022 10:10 UTC

Dear all,

[Yet another nitpick]

Current DICOM edition (PS 3.5) states:

[...]
If APP2 marker segments with an identifier of "ICC_PROFILE" (as defined in Annex B of [ISO 15076-1]) are present in the compressed data stream, their concatenated value shall be identical to the value of ICC Profile (0028,2000) Attribute, if present, excluding padding.
[...]

* https://dicom.nema.org/medical/dicom/current/output/chtml/part05/sect_8.2..html#para_c82ff006-e1a8-46d4-a5db-0f63db0fd123

So I understand what is expected when receiving a DICOM+JPEG+APP2+ICCProfile attribute. However I fail to understand the case where I receive DICOM+JPEG+APP2 (no ICCProfile attribute).

The standard mandates:

[...]
The Pixel Data characteristics included in the JPEG Interchange Format shall be used to decode the compressed data stream.
[...]

But I believe it is missing:

The JFIF APP2 marker segment is NOT required to be present in DICOM encapsulated JPEG bit streams, and should not be used for the rendering of the image.

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Subject: Re: DICOM: JPEG + APP2 marker
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 by: David Clunie - Fri, 18 Mar 2022 12:32 UTC

JPEG Interchange Format (all tables present) and JFIF are not the same thing.

ISO 10918-1 - describes the "Interchange Format" - "The representation of compressed image data for exchange between application
environments" - "is a compressed image data representation which includes all table specifications used in the encoding process"

ISO 10918-5 - JPEG File Interchange Format (JFIF)

On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 6:10:20 AM UTC-4, Mathieu Malaterre wrote:
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> "the JPEG Interchange Format".
> ...
> The "JFIF" APP2 marker segment ...

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Subject: Re: DICOM: JPEG + APP2 marker
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 by: Mathieu Malaterre - Fri, 18 Mar 2022 15:06 UTC

On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 1:32:14 PM UTC+1, dcl...@dclunie.com wrote:
> JPEG Interchange Format (all tables present) and JFIF are not the same thing.
>
> ISO 10918-1 - describes the "Interchange Format" - "The representation of compressed image data for exchange between application
> environments" - "is a compressed image data representation which includes all table specifications used in the encoding process"
>
> ISO 10918-5 - JPEG File Interchange Format (JFIF)

Thanks !

FYI I've build 4 VL Photographic Image Storage instances from the same image.

Copyright is same as:

https://cloud.githubusercontent.com/assets/1139185/23364727/3da8c474-fcce-11e6-9f39-7e074e78aa33.jpg

img.dcm:
All APPn markers removed (colors muted)

img_app2.dcm
Only APP2 marker in original JPEG kep (no ICCProfile)

img_app2_iccprofile.dcm
Only APP2 marker in original JPEG kep (with exact ICCProfile copied in attribute)

img_jpgicc.dcm
jpgicc was used to apply ICC Profile

See:
http://gdcm.sourceforge.net/icc/icc.tar.gz

Enjoy

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 by: David Clunie - Fri, 18 Mar 2022 15:44 UTC

Thanks for these very useful test files.

One permutation that you don't have is:

All APPn markers removed, ICCProfile in DICOM attribute

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 by: Mathieu Malaterre - Fri, 18 Mar 2022 16:38 UTC

On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 4:44:50 PM UTC+1, dcl...@dclunie.com wrote:
> Thanks for these very useful test files.
>
> One permutation that you don't have is:
>
> All APPn markers removed, ICCProfile in DICOM attribute

Good point !

http://gdcm.sourceforge.net/icc/icc.v2.tar.gz

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 by: David Clunie - Fri, 18 Mar 2022 17:22 UTC

I thought that might be a good test - my display code now applies the profile twice!

On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 12:38:13 PM UTC-4, Mathieu Malaterre wrote:
> On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 4:44:50 PM UTC+1, dcl...@dclunie.com wrote:
> > One permutation that you don't have is:
> Good point !
> http://gdcm.sourceforge.net/icc/icc.v2.tar.gz

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