Apparently comp.arch, comp.lang.c++, and comp.lang.fortran are now read
only at google groups to stop the spam floods.

Lynn

I have switched to www.i2pn2.org for comp.lang.fortran using the Agent
v8.0 newsreader. Seems to be working ok for now.

I wish google groups would delete all the obvious spam in the Thai
language as well as making the group read only.

On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 17:32:11 -0500
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
> Apparently comp.arch, comp.lang.c++, and comp.lang.fortran are now read
> only at google groups to stop the spam floods.

Same as comp.lang.c as has been mentioned elsewhere
(<iMWdnVed06hwqtz4nZ2dnZfqn_GdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk> for example). Good. I
wonder how that works. Was some algorithm at googlegroups triggered and
automatically took the measure (or notified a human) or do they have some
employee at Google regularly take a few minutes of their time once per
several weeks to have a short look at googlegroups to see how things are
working ? I will guess the latter because an algorithm would have acted much
sooner.

On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 17:32:11 -0500, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

>Apparently comp.arch, comp.lang.c++, and comp.lang.fortran are now read
>only at google groups to stop the spam floods.
>
>Lynn

You mean the spam floods that Google openly condones and possibly also
facilitates in order to promote its own group services?

In article <a1e3kihl2o606a97g3746247qurdl0alfm@4ax.com>,
George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> wrote:
>On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 17:32:11 -0500, Lynn McGuire
><lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Apparently comp.arch, comp.lang.c++, and comp.lang.fortran are now read
>>only at google groups to stop the spam floods.
>>
>>Lynn
>
>You mean the spam floods that Google openly condones and possibly also
>facilitates in order to promote its own group services?

Apt way of putting it!
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In article <7Zt5DHW8FTpPHEedl@bongo-ra.co>,
Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 17:32:11 -0500
>Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Apparently comp.arch, comp.lang.c++, and comp.lang.fortran are now read
>> only at google groups to stop the spam floods.
>
>Same as comp.lang.c as has been mentioned elsewhere
>(<iMWdnVed06hwqtz4nZ2dnZfqn_GdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk> for example). Good. I
>wonder how that works. Was some algorithm at googlegroups triggered and
>automatically took the measure (or notified a human) or do they have some
>employee at Google regularly take a few minutes of their time once per
>several weeks to have a short look at googlegroups to see how things are
>working ? I will guess the latter because an algorithm would have acted much
>sooner.

The depeering of Google Groups will be the ultimate act of mercy!
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On 10/31/23 21:09, Spiros Bousbouras wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 17:32:11 -0500
> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Apparently comp.arch, comp.lang.c++, and comp.lang.fortran are now read
>> only at google groups to stop the spam floods.
>
> Same as comp.lang.c as has been mentioned elsewhere
> (<iMWdnVed06hwqtz4nZ2dnZfqn_GdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk> for example). Good. I
> wonder how that works. Was some algorithm at googlegroups triggered and
> automatically took the measure (or notified a human) or do they have some
> employee at Google regularly take a few minutes of their time once per
> several weeks to have a short look at googlegroups to see how things are
> working ? I will guess the latter because an algorithm would have acted much
> sooner.

Bad actors ruining legitimate experience because of a half-assed
solution, a tale as old as time.
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In article <uhsgkc$1a99v$2@dont-email.me>,
candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
>On 10/31/23 21:09, Spiros Bousbouras wrote:
>> On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 17:32:11 -0500
>> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Apparently comp.arch, comp.lang.c++, and comp.lang.fortran are now read
>>> only at google groups to stop the spam floods.
>>
>> Same as comp.lang.c as has been mentioned elsewhere
>> (<iMWdnVed06hwqtz4nZ2dnZfqn_GdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk> for example). Good. I
>> wonder how that works. Was some algorithm at googlegroups triggered and
>> automatically took the measure (or notified a human) or do they have some
>> employee at Google regularly take a few minutes of their time once per
>> several weeks to have a short look at googlegroups to see how things are
>> working ? I will guess the latter because an algorithm would have acted much
>> sooner.
>
>Bad actors ruining legitimate experience because of a half-assed
>solution, a tale as old as time.

Annd Google is the biggest bad actor out there!

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>

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According to George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net>:
>>Lynn
>
>You mean the spam floods that Google openly condones and possibly also
>facilitates in order to promote its own group services?

I think you vastly overestimate how much anyone at Google cares about Groups.
The whole thing has been on autopilot for years, it can't possibly be making
them enough money to deal with the hassle.

FWIW I get plenty of spam directly from Groups when people yet again load
up a spam list and blast out mail in languages I cannot read.

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Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:

> Apparently comp.arch, comp.lang.c++, and comp.lang.fortran are now
> read only at google groups to stop the spam floods.

No, I'm reading through Eternal September. Blocking posts with Thai
characters eliminates nearly all of the flood for me (but geez, it's
awful that it's necessary).

According to Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu>:
>Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Apparently comp.arch, comp.lang.c++, and comp.lang.fortran are now
>> read only at google groups to stop the spam floods.
>
>No, I'm reading through Eternal September.

That's "read only" as in they don't let people post new articles.

People continue to read those groups all over the place. You
couldn't stop if if you wanted to.

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On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 10:55:06 -0000 (UTC), John Levine <johnl@taugh.com>
wrote:

>According to George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net>:
>>>Lynn
>>
>>You mean the spam floods that Google openly condones and possibly also
>>facilitates in order to promote its own group services?
>
>I think you vastly overestimate how much anyone at Google cares about Groups.
>The whole thing has been on autopilot for years, it can't possibly be making
>them enough money to deal with the hassle.

Maybe. But remember that Google trades in eyeballs ... the money, in
some sense, is secondary.

"group" is overloaded.

Google Groups (GG) is a unified interface that provides access to
Usenet, public mailing lists, and to Google's own group services.

But there is a substantial difference: Google offers spam filtering to
its own groups, while denying it to others.

>FWIW I get plenty of spam directly from Groups when people yet again load
>up a spam list and blast out mail in languages I cannot read.

Sure it can happen.

GG's spam filtering has to be opted into by the group administrator.
However, there is no way provided for an outside group to do that, so
even those non-Google Usenet groups and mailing lists that /have/
living administrators have no way to opt into Google's spam filtering.

Also, my experience with GG has been that its spam filtering only
checks posts made via email (the "list" interface). It seems that
posts made directly via the web UI are checked only for abusive
language (and then only in English), and once accepted they can be
removed only by the group adminstrator or via user complaints.

The major point here is that Google provides (some semblence of) spam
filtering - but only for its own groups.

YMMV.

On 2023-11-01 03:09, Spiros Bousbouras wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 17:32:11 -0500
> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Apparently comp.arch, comp.lang.c++, and comp.lang.fortran are now read
>> only at google groups to stop the spam floods.
>
> Same as comp.lang.c as has been mentioned elsewhere
> (<iMWdnVed06hwqtz4nZ2dnZfqn_GdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk> for example). Good. I
> wonder how that works. Was some algorithm at googlegroups triggered and
> automatically took the measure (or notified a human) or do they have some
> employee at Google regularly take a few minutes of their time once per
> several weeks to have a short look at googlegroups to see how things are
> working ? I will guess the latter because an algorithm would have acted much
> sooner.
>

Looking at some of the GSpam, I just noticed that GG helpfully adds a
header indicating the spammer's IP, perhaps someone with copies of the
GSpam from recent weeks can see if there is a pattern that can be used
for filtering more specific than just blocking GG.

Enjoy

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It appears that George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> said:
>The major point here is that Google provides (some semblence of) spam
>filtering - but only for its own groups.

This is completely consistent with it being on autopilot. Someone
built the spam filter for their own groups, nobody got around to
making it work with usenet. I can easily imagine them saying there's
so much garbage in usenet from other places, what difference would
it make?

As the old saw reminds us, don't assume malice until you've ruled out
incompetence.

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John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> writes:

> According to Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu>:
>>Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> Apparently comp.arch, comp.lang.c++, and comp.lang.fortran are now
>>> read only at google groups to stop the spam floods.
>>
>>No, I'm reading through Eternal September.
>
> That's "read only" as in they don't let people post new articles.
>
> People continue to read those groups all over the place. You
> couldn't stop if if you wanted to.

Ummm.... so they allow followups but not new topics?

On Wed, 01 Nov 2023 12:14:54 -0600
Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote:

> John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> writes:
>
> > According to Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu>:
> >>Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
> >>
> >>> Apparently comp.arch, comp.lang.c++, and comp.lang.fortran are now
> >>> read only at google groups to stop the spam floods.
> >>
> >>No, I'm reading through Eternal September.
> >
> > That's "read only" as in they don't let people post new articles.
> >
> > People continue to read those groups all over the place. You
> > couldn't stop if if you wanted to.
>
> Ummm.... so they allow followups but not new topics?

Read-only. No posting. Neither newtopics nor followups. None. Nada.

Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> writes:

> On Wed, 01 Nov 2023 12:14:54 -0600
> Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote:
>
>> John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> writes:
>>
>> > According to Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu>:
>> >>Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
>> >>
>> >>> Apparently comp.arch, comp.lang.c++, and comp.lang.fortran are now
>> >>> read only at google groups to stop the spam floods.
>> >>
>> >>No, I'm reading through Eternal September.
>> >
>> > That's "read only" as in they don't let people post new articles.
>> >
>> > People continue to read those groups all over the place. You
>> > couldn't stop if if you wanted to.
>>
>> Ummm.... so they allow followups but not new topics?
>
> Read-only. No posting. Neither newtopics nor followups. None. Nada.

But I posted this followup to comp.arch through eternal-september.

On Wed, 01 Nov 2023 14:19:19 -0600
Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote:

> Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> writes:
>
> > On Wed, 01 Nov 2023 12:14:54 -0600
> > Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote:
> >
> >> John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> writes:
> >>
> >> > According to Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu>:
> >> >>Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
> >> >>
> >> >>> Apparently comp.arch, comp.lang.c++, and comp.lang.fortran are now
> >> >>> read only at google groups to stop the spam floods.
> >> >>
> >> >>No, I'm reading through Eternal September.
> >> >
> >> > That's "read only" as in they don't let people post new articles.
> >> >
> >> > People continue to read those groups all over the place. You
> >> > couldn't stop if if you wanted to.
> >>
> >> Ummm.... so they allow followups but not new topics?
> >
> > Read-only. No posting. Neither newtopics nor followups. None. Nada.
>
> But I posted this followup to comp.arch through eternal-september.

You can post from anywhere you want that carries the group, you just
can't post from google groups

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On 11/1/2023 1:24 PM, Retro Guy wrote:
> On Wed, 01 Nov 2023 14:19:19 -0600
> Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote:
>
>> Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> writes:
>>
>>> On Wed, 01 Nov 2023 12:14:54 -0600
>>> Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>> John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> According to Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu>:
>>>>>> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Apparently comp.arch, comp.lang.c++, and comp.lang.fortran are now
>>>>>>> read only at google groups to stop the spam floods.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, I'm reading through Eternal September.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's "read only" as in they don't let people post new articles.
>>>>>
>>>>> People continue to read those groups all over the place. You
>>>>> couldn't stop if if you wanted to.
>>>>
>>>> Ummm.... so they allow followups but not new topics?
>>>
>>> Read-only. No posting. Neither newtopics nor followups. None. Nada.
>>
>> But I posted this followup to comp.arch through eternal-september.
>
> You can post from anywhere you want that carries the group, you just
> can't post from google groups
>

We can still use google groups for some searching purposes. Remember
when they, Google, tried to outright ban comp.lang.c a while back? Not
even able to read it...

On 11/1/2023 1:19 PM, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
> Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> writes:
>
>> On Wed, 01 Nov 2023 12:14:54 -0600
>> Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> According to Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu>:
>>>>> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Apparently comp.arch, comp.lang.c++, and comp.lang.fortran are now
>>>>>> read only at google groups to stop the spam floods.
>>>>>
>>>>> No, I'm reading through Eternal September.
>>>>
>>>> That's "read only" as in they don't let people post new articles.
>>>>
>>>> People continue to read those groups all over the place. You
>>>> couldn't stop if if you wanted to.
>>>
>>> Ummm.... so they allow followups but not new topics?
>>
>> Read-only. No posting. Neither newtopics nor followups. None. Nada.
>
> But I posted this followup to comp.arch through eternal-september.

There has been some confusion in this thread recently. Anyone with an
account can read and post messages using Eternal September. The "read
only" is apparently just Google Groups. That is, anyone can read any
article through Google Groups, but no one can post new articles nor
replies to the group using Google Groups.

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On 01/11/2023 21:31, Stephen Fuld wrote:
>
> There has been some confusion in this thread recently.� Anyone with an
> account can read and post messages using Eternal September.� The "read
> only" is apparently just Google Groups. That is, anyone can read any
> article through Google Groups, but no one can post new articles nor
> replies to the group using Google Groups.
>
>
>

There is another server called "paganini.bofh.team". You don't need an
account but spam is not allowed. People abusing the server will have
their IP address blocked.

Retro Guy <retroguy@novabbs.org> writes:

> On Wed, 01 Nov 2023 14:19:19 -0600
> Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote:
>
>> Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> writes:
>>
>> > On Wed, 01 Nov 2023 12:14:54 -0600
>> > Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote:
>> >
>> >> John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> writes:
>> >>
>> >> > According to Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu>:
>> >> >>Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> Apparently comp.arch, comp.lang.c++, and comp.lang.fortran are now
>> >> >>> read only at google groups to stop the spam floods.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>No, I'm reading through Eternal September.
>> >> >
>> >> > That's "read only" as in they don't let people post new articles.
>> >> >
>> >> > People continue to read those groups all over the place. You
>> >> > couldn't stop if if you wanted to.
>> >>
>> >> Ummm.... so they allow followups but not new topics?
>> >
>> > Read-only. No posting. Neither newtopics nor followups. None. Nada.
>>
>> But I posted this followup to comp.arch through eternal-september.
>
> You can post from anywhere you want that carries the group, you just
> can't post from google groups

Ah, OK. When I originally posted that I was reading from e-s, it was
pointed out to me that I couldn't post. Which seemed very odd, under the
circumstances.

On 11/1/2023 5:40 AM, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:

> No, I'm reading through Eternal September. Blocking posts with Thai
> characters eliminates nearly all of the flood for me (but geez, it's
> awful that it's necessary).
>

Anybody know can you do that blocking with Thunderbird?

On 02/11/2023 06:05, red floyd wrote:
> On 11/1/2023 5:40 AM, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
>
>> No, I'm reading through Eternal September. Blocking posts with Thai
>> characters eliminates nearly all of the flood for me (but geez, it's
>> awful that it's necessary).
>>
>
> Anybody know can you do that blocking with Thunderbird?
>

There is now no need (at least in these groups). All the spam came
through Google's service, and they have blocked posting.

["Followup-To:" header set to comp.arch.]
On 2023-10-31, Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
> Apparently comp.arch, comp.lang.c++, and comp.lang.fortran are now read
> only at google groups to stop the spam floods.
>
> Lynn
I notice by number of headers. it dropped significantly...

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