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 by: Gary Scott - Tue, 29 Aug 2023 15:41 UTC

https://techxplore.com/news/2023-08-scientists-open-source-tool-language-python.html

Re: OT: Computer scientists develop open-source tool for dramatically speeding up the programming language Python

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 by: gah4 - Tue, 29 Aug 2023 23:30 UTC

On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 8:41:52 AM UTC-7, Gary Scott wrote:
> https://techxplore.com/news/2023-08-scientists-open-source-tool-language-python.html

Seems to say that Python is 60000 time slower than other languages.
People must be writing bad Python code.

The whole idea behind languages like Python, R, Matlab, and Mathematica,
is that you use the features built into the language. Things like matrix operations.

Inversion of a large matrix (even though you shouldn't do that) should be only
slightly slower than in Fortran. If you use the built-in operator.

If you write matrix inversion code in Python, it will be slow. Don't do that.

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 by: Gary Scott - Wed, 30 Aug 2023 01:49 UTC

On 8/29/2023 6:30 PM, gah4 wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 8:41:52 AM UTC-7, Gary Scott wrote:
>> https://techxplore.com/news/2023-08-scientists-open-source-tool-language-python.html
>
> Seems to say that Python is 60000 time slower than other languages.
> People must be writing bad Python code.
>
> The whole idea behind languages like Python, R, Matlab, and Mathematica,
> is that you use the features built into the language. Things like matrix operations.
>
> Inversion of a large matrix (even though you shouldn't do that) should be only
> slightly slower than in Fortran. If you use the built-in operator.
>
> If you write matrix inversion code in Python, it will be slow. Don't do that.
>
A lot of programmers that use Python are "naive". That is often the
case with interpreted languages, almost by design.

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From: pehache.7@gmail.com (pehache)
 by: pehache - Fri, 1 Sep 2023 12:27 UTC

Le 29/08/2023 à 17:41, Gary Scott a écrit :
>
> https://techxplore.com/news/2023-08-scientists-open-source-tool-language-python.html

Recipe for a popularity contest:
1) promote a language that can be highly inefficient if used "naively"
2) promote the idea that this language is for everybody and does not
require any training
3) once everybody uses it, observe that 90% use it naively and
inefficiently
4) promote an incredible tool that is supposedly designed to fix the above
issues
5) put the "AI" letters everywhere

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 by: gah4 - Fri, 1 Sep 2023 13:16 UTC

On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 5:27:25 AM UTC-7, pehache wrote:

(snip)

> 1) promote a language that can be highly inefficient if used "naively"

(snip)

Note that you can write naive inefficient code in any language.

Fortran has some well known, but maybe not well enough,
problems in this area.

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 by: Gary Scott - Fri, 1 Sep 2023 13:17 UTC

On 9/1/2023 7:27 AM, pehache wrote:
> Le 29/08/2023 à 17:41, Gary Scott a écrit :
>>
>> https://techxplore.com/news/2023-08-scientists-open-source-tool-language-python.html
>
> Recipe for a popularity contest:
> 1) promote a language that can be highly inefficient if used "naively"
> 2) promote the idea that this language is for everybody and does not
> require any training
> 3) once everybody uses it, observe that 90% use it naively and
> inefficiently
> 4) promote an incredible tool that is supposedly designed to fix the
> above issues
> 5) put the "AI" letters everywhere
>
>
lol, exactly

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From: pehache.7@gmail.com (pehache)
 by: pehache - Fri, 1 Sep 2023 14:11 UTC

Le 01/09/2023 à 15:16, gah4 a écrit :
> On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 5:27:25 AM UTC-7, pehache wrote:
>
> (snip)
>
>> 1) promote a language that can be highly inefficient if used "naively"
>
> (snip)
>
> Note that you can write naive inefficient code in any language.
>
> Fortran has some well known, but maybe not well enough,
> problems in this area.

Fair enough... But naive inefficient code in Fortran is still way faster
than naive inefficient code in Python.

That said I have nothing against Python in itself.

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