The Medley Interlisp Project published the 2023 annual report which
highlights the major achievements and ongoing efforts over the year:

https://interlisp.org/project/status/2023medleyannualreport

In 2023 the project lowered the barriers to entry to the Medley system,
enhanced its tools, closed a variety of issues, engaged with the Lisp
and Software Preservation communities, redesiged the project site,
presented talks at events, and more.

The Medley Interlisp project aims to allow Medley to “live again” by
preserving, reviving, and making the system usable on modern platforms.

Created at Xerox's Palo Alto Research Center (PARC), and actively
developed until the 1990s, Medley Interlisp is an extensible graphical
operating system and Lisp software development environment. The
Interlisp environment, which pioneered a number of advanced programming
tools and technologies, was the system software of Xerox Lisp Machines.

The Medley Interlisp project team comprises some of the original
developers and users of Interlisp decades ago, joined by newcomers
interested in software history and preservation, along with members of
the Lisp community. More information is available at the project site:

https://interlisp.org

I'm a member of the Medley Interlisp Project, so if you have any
questions feel free to ask.

Hey, Paolo! How cool that you're involved with Interlisp. Can I take
the opportunity and ask you about the NNTP server at aioe.org? I heard
that it went through a hardware crash? (Did you not have a backup or
you just gave up on the project from that point on?) All the best on
the Interlisp project. I will surely stay tuned.

Paolo Amoroso <info@paoloamoroso.com> writes:

> The Medley Interlisp Project published the 2023 annual report which
> highlights the major achievements and ongoing efforts over the year:
>
> https://interlisp.org/project/status/2023medleyannualreport

[...]

Hi Julieta, I actually never used aioe.org and I'm not involved with
it. I'm just a user of the Eternal September NNTP server.

Paolo Amoroso <info@paoloamoroso.com> writes:

> Hi Julieta, I actually never used aioe.org and I'm not involved with
> it. I'm just a user of the Eternal September NNTP server.

Oh, I beg your pardon. One of the system administrators of a news
server hosted at aioe.org was called Paolo Amoroso. I assumed he would
be you.

* Julieta Shem <87le9m6clx.fsf @yaxenu.org> :
Wrote on Fri, 22 Dec 2023 02:16:26 -0300:
> Paolo Amoroso <info @paoloamoroso.com> writes:
>> Hi Julieta, I actually never used aioe.org and I'm not involved with
>> it. I'm just a user of the Eternal September NNTP server.
> Oh, I beg your pardon. One of the system administrators of a news
> server hosted at aioe.org was called Paolo Amoroso. I assumed he would
> be you.

Maybe google has something to do with Paulo's amnesia

* I <m3a5q2216j.fsf @leonis4.robolove.meer.net> :
Wrote on Fri, 22 Dec 2023 12:06:52 +0530:
> * Julieta Shem <87le9m6clx.fsf @yaxenu.org> :
> Wrote on Fri, 22 Dec 2023 02:16:26 -0300:
>> Paolo Amoroso <info @paoloamoroso.com> writes:
>>> Hi Julieta, I actually never used aioe.org and I'm not involved with
>>> it. I'm just a user of the Eternal September NNTP server.
>> Oh, I beg your pardon. One of the system administrators of a news
>> server hosted at aioe.org was called Paolo Amoroso. I assumed he would
>> be you.
>
> Maybe google has something to do with Paulo's amnesia [*Paolo

I was of course assuming it was the same Paolo (long time c.l.l. poster
and author of EncyCMUCLopedia) was the same person. I see how it could
be wrong. (this possibly mistaken identity was perpetrated in the
alt.free.newsservers newsgroups)

On Fri, 22 Dec 2023 12:25:47 +0530
Madhu <enometh@meer.net> wrote:

> I was of course assuming it was the same Paolo (long time c.l.l.
> poster and author of EncyCMUCLopedia) was the same person. I see how
> it could be wrong. (this possibly mistaken identity was perpetrated
> in the alt.free.newsservers newsgroups)

Yes, I'm the same Paolo Amoroso but I'm not sure I remember anything
about aioe.org. Can you please elaborate?

* Paolo Amoroso <20231222093448.1c54284a @penguin> :
Wrote on Fri, 22 Dec 2023 09:34:48 +0100:
> On Fri, 22 Dec 2023 12:25:47 +0530
> Madhu <enometh@meer.net> wrote:
>> I was of course assuming it was the same Paolo (long time c.l.l.
>> poster and author of EncyCMUCLopedia) was the same person. I see how
>> it could be wrong. (this possibly mistaken identity was perpetrated
>> in the alt.free.newsservers newsgroups)
>
> Yes, I'm the same Paolo Amoroso but I'm not sure I remember anything
> about aioe.org. Can you please elaborate?

The allegation is that you are the Paolo Amoroso (stasi at aioe dot org)
who ran the news.aioe.org news server which was decomissioned (IIRC) in
January 2023.

On Fri, 22 Dec 2023 16:44:20 +0530
Madhu <enometh@meer.net> wrote:

> The allegation is that you are the Paolo Amoroso (stasi at aioe dot
> org) who ran the news.aioe.org news server which was decomissioned
> (IIRC) in January 2023.

I'm NOT that person and I've never ran any NNTP servers.

Paolo Amoroso <info@paoloamoroso.com> writes:
>On Fri, 22 Dec 2023 16:44:20 +0530
>Madhu <enometh@meer.net> wrote:
>>The allegation is that you are the Paolo Amoroso (stasi at aioe dot
>>org) who ran the news.aioe.org news server which was decomissioned
>>(IIRC) in January 2023.
>I'm NOT that person and I've never ran any NNTP servers.

Just today, there is a thread "A QUESTION ABOUT AIOE, PLEASE"
in "alt.privacy.anon-server", where the "common wisdom" about
this is repeated in an answer.

ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) writes:

> Paolo Amoroso <info@paoloamoroso.com> writes:
>>On Fri, 22 Dec 2023 16:44:20 +0530
>>Madhu <enometh@meer.net> wrote:
>>>The allegation is that you are the Paolo Amoroso (stasi at aioe dot
>>>org) who ran the news.aioe.org news server which was decomissioned
>>>(IIRC) in January 2023.
>>I'm NOT that person and I've never ran any NNTP servers.
>
> Just today, there is a thread "A QUESTION ABOUT AIOE, PLEASE"
> in "alt.privacy.anon-server", where the "common wisdom" about
> this is repeated in an answer.

What an awesome coincidence. I'm personally curious as to what happened
to the service. It was so zealously cared for and it suddenly went out.
It's part of recent USENET history and it'd be nice to get some
verifiable facts.

Julieta Shem <jshem@yaxenu.org> wrote in news:874jga3s45.fsf@yaxenu.org:

> ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) writes:
>
>> Paolo Amoroso <info@paoloamoroso.com> writes:
>>>On Fri, 22 Dec 2023 16:44:20 +0530
>>>Madhu <enometh@meer.net> wrote:
>>>>The allegation is that you are the Paolo Amoroso (stasi at aioe dot
>>>>org) who ran the news.aioe.org news server which was decomissioned
>>>>(IIRC) in January 2023.
>>>I'm NOT that person and I've never ran any NNTP servers.
>>
>> Just today, there is a thread "A QUESTION ABOUT AIOE, PLEASE"
>> in "alt.privacy.anon-server", where the "common wisdom" about
>> this is repeated in an answer.
>
> What an awesome coincidence. I'm personally curious as to what happened
> to the service. It was so zealously cared for and it suddenly went out.
> It's part of recent USENET history and it'd be nice to get some
> verifiable facts.

RAID controller failed, then Paolo got sick (and tired of the BS
probably).

He was a good fellow.

anonymous wrote:
>
> Julieta Shem <jshem@yaxenu.org> wrote in news:874jga3s45.fsf@yaxenu.org:
>
> > ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) writes:
> >
> >> Paolo Amoroso <info@paoloamoroso.com> writes:
> >>>On Fri, 22 Dec 2023 16:44:20 +0530
> >>>Madhu <enometh@meer.net> wrote:
> >>>>The allegation is that you are the Paolo Amoroso (stasi at aioe dot
> >>>>org) who ran the news.aioe.org news server which was decomissioned
> >>>>(IIRC) in January 2023.
> >>>I'm NOT that person and I've never ran any NNTP servers.
> >>
> >> Just today, there is a thread "A QUESTION ABOUT AIOE, PLEASE"
> >> in "alt.privacy.anon-server", where the "common wisdom" about
> >> this is repeated in an answer.
> >
> > What an awesome coincidence. I'm personally curious as to what happened
> > to the service. It was so zealously cared for and it suddenly went out.
> > It's part of recent USENET history and it'd be nice to get some
> > verifiable facts.
>
> RAID controller failed, then Paolo got sick (and tired of the BS
> probably).

Most likely. Lots of users abusing it because it was free and
open, like they do to all open servers. He could, IMO, have made
life easier for himself if he's required registration.

> He was a good fellow.

Yes. I hope he is feeling much better now.

On/il 23/12/2023 , *William Stickers* wrote/ha scritto:
> anonymous wrote:
>>
>> Julieta Shem <jshem@yaxenu.org> wrote in news:874jga3s45.fsf@yaxenu.org:
>>
>>> ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) writes:
>>>
>>>> Paolo Amoroso <info@paoloamoroso.com> writes:
>>>>> On Fri, 22 Dec 2023 16:44:20 +0530
>>>>> Madhu <enometh@meer.net> wrote:
>>>>>> The allegation is that you are the Paolo Amoroso (stasi at aioe dot
>>>>>> org) who ran the news.aioe.org news server which was decomissioned
>>>>>> (IIRC) in January 2023.
>>>>> I'm NOT that person and I've never ran any NNTP servers.
>>>>
>>>> Just today, there is a thread "A QUESTION ABOUT AIOE, PLEASE"
>>>> in "alt.privacy.anon-server", where the "common wisdom" about
>>>> this is repeated in an answer.
>>>
>>> What an awesome coincidence. I'm personally curious as to what happened
>>> to the service. It was so zealously cared for and it suddenly went out.
>>> It's part of recent USENET history and it'd be nice to get some
>>> verifiable facts.
>>
>> RAID controller failed, then Paolo got sick (and tired of the BS
>> probably).
>
> Most likely. Lots of users abusing it because it was free and
> open, like they do to all open servers. He could, IMO, have made
> life easier for himself if he's required registration.
>
>> He was a good fellow.
>
> Yes. I hope he is feeling much better now.

He is much better now! I'm in contact with him... ;)

BTW, Merry Christmas everyone here!

--
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anonymous <anonymous@weasel.org> writes:

> Julieta Shem <jshem@yaxenu.org> wrote in news:874jga3s45.fsf@yaxenu.org:
>
>> ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) writes:
>>
>>> Paolo Amoroso <info@paoloamoroso.com> writes:
>>>>On Fri, 22 Dec 2023 16:44:20 +0530
>>>>Madhu <enometh@meer.net> wrote:
>>>>>The allegation is that you are the Paolo Amoroso (stasi at aioe dot
>>>>>org) who ran the news.aioe.org news server which was decomissioned
>>>>>(IIRC) in January 2023.
>>>>I'm NOT that person and I've never ran any NNTP servers.
>>>
>>> Just today, there is a thread "A QUESTION ABOUT AIOE, PLEASE"
>>> in "alt.privacy.anon-server", where the "common wisdom" about
>>> this is repeated in an answer.
>>
>> What an awesome coincidence. I'm personally curious as to what happened
>> to the service. It was so zealously cared for and it suddenly went out.
>> It's part of recent USENET history and it'd be nice to get some
>> verifiable facts.
>
> RAID controller failed, then Paolo got sick (and tired of the BS
> probably).

But was there a backup at all? If he were to provide the backup to
someone, I wouldn't be surprised if someone would take it from there.

> He was a good fellow.

The community has a lot to thank him for. Thank you, Paolo Amoroso.

On 12/23/23 13:26, Julieta Shem wrote:
> But was there a backup at all? If he were to provide the backup to
> someone, I wouldn't be surprised if someone would take it from there.

You don't need a backup of a news server to start a new news server.

Anyone that wants to start a new news server can do so.

--
Grant. . . .

On 12/23/2023 3:15 PM, Grant Taylor wrote:
> On 12/23/23 13:26, Julieta Shem wrote:
>> But was there a backup at all?  If he were to provide the backup to
>> someone, I wouldn't be surprised if someone would take it from there.
>
> You don't need a backup of a news server to start a new news server.
>
> Anyone that wants to start a new news server can do so.

His site was leveled once.

It involved a COLO, and instantly he was left with nothing.
He happened to make a comment in public about the services of the COLO.
It wasn't an outrageous comment. Just the usual comment about things.
Boom. Gone. Just like that.

With a COLO, once your account is canceled, you have no access
whatsoever to your information content. The hardware in a COLO
is behind locked doors. You're not getting in there, to say,
clone your hard drive. Forget it.

it took *months* to reproduce the website from scratch and
populate it with topical materials again. As well as put
the news server back up.

There is no evidence that he had a backup in his new COLO location.
He got kicked out of the Italian COLO and moved to a German COLO.
Where the legal environment is different.

Something happened to the RAID, but we don't know whether it
was a RAID degrade/fail or... a hack from the outside. That
part is unclear. Security is all-important on little projects
like this, because hateful people are everywhere. Maybe the
server had received a little rm -Rf * loving. Who knows.

There are people who run scans every day, to see if you're
disparaging them. Look at W.Tom, using Google to email him
any time "whole house lightning protection" was used in a
USENET posting. One individual in another group, as a part
of his .sig , he includes "W.Tom" and "lightning", just
to ensure that every post he sends, would result in W.Tom
receiving an (irrelevant) email.

If you think you're not being watched, you're being watched :-)
I bet there is a certain lawyer I cannot name, who is doing
this. Just because.

Paul

Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> writes:

> On 12/23/23 13:26, Julieta Shem wrote:
>> But was there a backup at all? If he were to provide the backup to
>> someone, I wouldn't be surprised if someone would take it from there.
>
> You don't need a backup of a news server to start a new news server.
>
> Anyone that wants to start a new news server can do so.

Of course. They likely had a nice set-up of so many things. The
service was great. I assume there was years of preparation,
configuration, customization and so on.

On 12/24/23 04:08, Paul wrote:
> On 12/23/2023 3:15 PM, Grant Taylor wrote:
>> On 12/23/23 13:26, Julieta Shem wrote:
>>> But was there a backup at all?  If he were to provide the backup to
>>> someone, I wouldn't be surprised if someone would take it from there.
>>
>> You don't need a backup of a news server to start a new news server.
>>
>> Anyone that wants to start a new news server can do so.
>
> His site was leveled once.
>
> It involved a COLO, and instantly he was left with nothing.
> He happened to make a comment in public about the services of the COLO.
> It wasn't an outrageous comment. Just the usual comment about things.
> Boom. Gone. Just like that.
>
> With a COLO, once your account is canceled, you have no access
> whatsoever to your information content. The hardware in a COLO
> is behind locked doors. You're not getting in there, to say,
> clone your hard drive. Forget it.
>
> it took *months* to reproduce the website from scratch and
> populate it with topical materials again. As well as put
> the news server back up.
>
> There is no evidence that he had a backup in his new COLO location.
> He got kicked out of the Italian COLO and moved to a German COLO.
> Where the legal environment is different.
>
> Something happened to the RAID, but we don't know whether it
> was a RAID degrade/fail or... a hack from the outside. That
> part is unclear. Security is all-important on little projects
> like this, because hateful people are everywhere. Maybe the
> server had received a little rm -Rf * loving. Who knows.
>
> There are people who run scans every day, to see if you're
> disparaging them. Look at W.Tom, using Google to email him
> any time "whole house lightning protection" was used in a
> USENET posting. One individual in another group, as a part
> of his .sig , he includes "W.Tom" and "lightning", just
> to ensure that every post he sends, would result in W.Tom
> receiving an (irrelevant) email.
>
> If you think you're not being watched, you're being watched :-)
> I bet there is a certain lawyer I cannot name, who is doing
> this. Just because.
>
> Paul
>
>
With a co-lo, the hardware is yours. If they cancel your account and
won't let you in to access it, that is theft and you can sue them or
call the police.

On Mon, 25 Dec 2023 02:59:13 +0100, immibis <news@immibis.com> wrote:
>With a co-lo, the hardware is yours. If they cancel your account and
>won't let you in to access it, that is theft and you can sue them or
>call the police.

That is just one (simplistic) model - and not an easy one for an
individual or small business to use unless the COLO site is reasonably
close by.

There also are COLO providers which rent bare servers and will perform
on-site hardware maintenance. You still have to administer your
system(s) and their software, but the provider makes some guarantee to
keep your rented server(s) physically operational.

A provider can pull the plug on a rented server for any contractual
reason and then you are out of luck.

In comp.lang.lisp anonymous <anonymous@weasel.org> wrote:

> He was a good fellow.

Was? Like in he's no longer alive?

--
The best way to make fire with two sticks is to insure that one of
them is a match.

On 12/24/23 04:30, Julieta Shem wrote:
> Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> writes:
>
>> On 12/23/23 13:26, Julieta Shem wrote:
>>> But was there a backup at all? If he were to provide the backup to
>>> someone, I wouldn't be surprised if someone would take it from there.
>>
>> You don't need a backup of a news server to start a new news server.
>>
>> Anyone that wants to start a new news server can do so.
>
> Of course. They likely had a nice set-up of so many things. The
> service was great. I assume there was years of preparation,
> configuration, customization and so on.

Quite possibly not. Everything is a pile of hacks upon hacks. That means
everything, not just news servers, not just computers.