I think we might've grazed over it awhile back, but there is a new cartridge
that came out early this year called 30 super. It's a lighter lesser
diameter bullet than the 9mm, but the case is longer. Their about the same
legth, except for the case diameter is smaller. A .308" 110 grain bullet
versus a 124 grain or greater .356" diameter projectile. Velocity is higher,
which makes up for the lack of size. In an S&W Shield+, capacity is 13 rounds
compared to 7 rounds of 9mm. A slightly extended mag which offers more to
hold on to provides 16 round capacity. Federal , Remington, Seepr, CCI and
Hornady are all offering the round, so it's not like looking for 5.7 or 22TCM.

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Mo> I think we might've grazed over it awhile back, but there is a
Mo> new cartridge that came out early this year called 30 super.
Mo> It's a lighter lesser diameter bullet than the 9mm, but the case
Mo> is longer. Their about the same legth, except for the case
Mo> diameter is smaller. A .308" 110 grain bullet versus a 124 grain
Mo> or greater .356" diameter projectile. Velocity is higher, which
Mo> makes up for the lack of size. In an S&W Shield+, capacity is 13
Mo> rounds compared to 7 rounds of 9mm. A slightly extended mag
Mo> which offers more to hold on to provides 16 round capacity.
Mo> Federal , Remington, Seepr, CCI and Hornady are all offering the
Mo> round, so it's not like looking for 5.7 or 22TCM.

I won't be getting one any time soon. In my personal opinion, I don't
want to carry anything weaker than a 9mm. The *only* advantage that I
can see this cartridge providing is higher magazine capacity. I've
already solved that by upgrading my S&W Shield to a Shield Plus.

Honestly the only way I see this being beneficial is to a .380 Auto user
who wants a little more punch, but doesn't want to go "all the way" to a
9mm ... (which is a little strange).

Here a a couple of decent reviews:

https://gunmagwarehouse.com/blog/30-super-carry-vs-9mm-ammo-face-off/

https://gununiversity.com/30-super-carry/

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Re: Re: 30 super - opinions?
By: Gamgee to Moondog on Sat Aug 13 2022 08:28 am

> -=> Moondog wrote to All <=-
>
> Mo> I think we might've grazed over it awhile back, but there is a
> Mo> new cartridge that came out early this year called 30 super.
> Mo> It's a lighter lesser diameter bullet than the 9mm, but the case
> Mo> is longer. Their about the same legth, except for the case
> Mo> diameter is smaller. A .308" 110 grain bullet versus a 124 grain
> Mo> or greater .356" diameter projectile. Velocity is higher, which
> Mo> makes up for the lack of size. In an S&W Shield+, capacity is 13
> Mo> rounds compared to 7 rounds of 9mm. A slightly extended mag
> Mo> which offers more to hold on to provides 16 round capacity.
> Mo> Federal , Remington, Seepr, CCI and Hornady are all offering the
> Mo> round, so it's not like looking for 5.7 or 22TCM.
>
> I won't be getting one any time soon. In my personal opinion, I don't
> want to carry anything weaker than a 9mm. The *only* advantage that I
> can see this cartridge providing is higher magazine capacity. I've
> already solved that by upgrading my S&W Shield to a Shield Plus.
>
> Honestly the only way I see this being beneficial is to a .380 Auto user
> who wants a little more punch, but doesn't want to go "all the way" to a
> 9mm ... (which is a little strange).
>
> Here a a couple of decent reviews:
>
> https://gunmagwarehouse.com/blog/30-super-carry-vs-9mm-ammo-face-off/
>
> https://gununiversity.com/30-super-carry/
>
>
> ... Smith & Wesson: The ORIGINAL point-and-click interface.

I've been trying to find reloading data on it, and disocvered it has a .312
diameter round rather than the .308 as I expected. A couple of reloading die
manufacturers make sizing dies, but the powder charge data isn't officialy
available. Some compare the cartridge to 30 Luger or 32 H&R, which have been
around as long as if longer than 9mm. The factories use custom powder blends
that are not the same as cannister powders available to hand loaders, and can
squeeze more velocity under safe pressures. I was hoping they would use .308
bullets, since I have a bunch of 110gr projectiles intended for 30 Carbine.
I have been loading them as varmint loads in .308 Winchester. Well, so much
for adopting a cartridge based on existing supplies...

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-=> Moondog wrote to Gamgee <=-

> Mo> I think we might've grazed over it awhile back, but there is a
> Mo> new cartridge that came out early this year called 30 super.
> Mo> It's a lighter lesser diameter bullet than the 9mm, but the case
> Mo> is longer. Their about the same legth, except for the case
> Mo> diameter is smaller. A .308" 110 grain bullet versus a 124 grain
> Mo> or greater .356" diameter projectile. Velocity is higher, which
> Mo> makes up for the lack of size. In an S&W Shield+, capacity is 13
> Mo> rounds compared to 7 rounds of 9mm. A slightly extended mag
> Mo> which offers more to hold on to provides 16 round capacity.
> Mo> Federal , Remington, Seepr, CCI and Hornady are all offering the
> Mo> round, so it's not like looking for 5.7 or 22TCM.

> I won't be getting one any time soon. In my personal opinion, I don't
> want to carry anything weaker than a 9mm. The *only* advantage that I
> can see this cartridge providing is higher magazine capacity. I've
> already solved that by upgrading my S&W Shield to a Shield Plus.

> Honestly the only way I see this being beneficial is to a .380 Auto user
> who wants a little more punch, but doesn't want to go "all the way" to a
> 9mm ... (which is a little strange).
>
> Here a a couple of decent reviews:
>
> https://gunmagwarehouse.com/blog/30-super-carry-vs-9mm-ammo-face-off/
>
> https://gununiversity.com/30-super-carry/

Mo> I've been trying to find reloading data on it, and disocvered it
Mo> has a .312 diameter round rather than the .308 as I expected. A
Mo> couple of reloading die manufacturers make sizing dies, but the
Mo> powder charge data isn't officialy available. Some compare the
Mo> cartridge to 30 Luger or 32 H&R, which have been around as long
Mo> as if longer than 9mm. The factories use custom powder blends
Mo> that are not the same as cannister powders available to hand
Mo> loaders, and can squeeze more velocity under safe pressures. I
Mo> was hoping they would use .308 bullets, since I have a bunch of
Mo> 110gr projectiles intended for 30 Carbine. I have been loading
Mo> them as varmint loads in .308 Winchester. Well, so much
Mo> for adopting a cartridge based on existing supplies...

Might be a blessing in disguise. I think this cartridge isn't going to
take off, and will fade away quietly. I don't see it offering anything
really useful to anyone.

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Re: Re: 30 super - opinions?
By: Gamgee to Moondog on Sat Aug 13 2022 06:33 pm

> -=> Moondog wrote to Gamgee <=-
>
> > Mo> I think we might've grazed over it awhile back, but there is a
> > Mo> new cartridge that came out early this year called 30 super.
> > Mo> It's a lighter lesser diameter bullet than the 9mm, but the case
> > Mo> is longer. Their about the same legth, except for the case
> > Mo> diameter is smaller. A .308" 110 grain bullet versus a 124 grain
> > Mo> or greater .356" diameter projectile. Velocity is higher, which
> > Mo> makes up for the lack of size. In an S&W Shield+, capacity is 13
> > Mo> rounds compared to 7 rounds of 9mm. A slightly extended mag
> > Mo> which offers more to hold on to provides 16 round capacity.
> > Mo> Federal , Remington, Seepr, CCI and Hornady are all offering the
> > Mo> round, so it's not like looking for 5.7 or 22TCM.
>
> > I won't be getting one any time soon. In my personal opinion, I don't
> > want to carry anything weaker than a 9mm. The *only* advantage that I
> > can see this cartridge providing is higher magazine capacity. I've
> > already solved that by upgrading my S&W Shield to a Shield Plus.
>
> > Honestly the only way I see this being beneficial is to a .380 Auto user
> > who wants a little more punch, but doesn't want to go "all the way" to a
> > 9mm ... (which is a little strange).
> >
> > Here a a couple of decent reviews:
> >
> > https://gunmagwarehouse.com/blog/30-super-carry-vs-9mm-ammo-face-off/
> >
> > https://gununiversity.com/30-super-carry/
>
> Mo> I've been trying to find reloading data on it, and disocvered it
> Mo> has a .312 diameter round rather than the .308 as I expected. A
> Mo> couple of reloading die manufacturers make sizing dies, but the
> Mo> powder charge data isn't officialy available. Some compare the
> Mo> cartridge to 30 Luger or 32 H&R, which have been around as long
> Mo> as if longer than 9mm. The factories use custom powder blends
> Mo> that are not the same as cannister powders available to hand
> Mo> loaders, and can squeeze more velocity under safe pressures. I
> Mo> was hoping they would use .308 bullets, since I have a bunch of
> Mo> 110gr projectiles intended for 30 Carbine. I have been loading
> Mo> them as varmint loads in .308 Winchester. Well, so much
> Mo> for adopting a cartridge based on existing supplies...
>
> Might be a blessing in disguise. I think this cartridge isn't going to
> take off, and will fade away quietly. I don't see it offering anything
> really useful to anyone.
>
>
>
> ... Gone crazy, be back later, please leave message.

Time will tell. I know someone who swears by his .327 Federal Magnum being a
nice light, but lethal round. Today i stopped by Rural King, and they had
..30 Super in stock. it's ironic I did this research because I knew more than
the sale clerks about it. They had nothing under the glass that chambered
it, but down the road there was a shop that had moth 30 Super and 327 Federal
chambered pistols in stock.

Either way, I doubt I will be adopting it, nor picking up any ammo at this
moment. Prices are still too high for me. 9mm ball ammo was selling for .50
a round. I'm more comfortable when it is .20 a round. I can reload .40 S&W f
or .26 a round with what I have in components I bought before things got
crazy.

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-=> Moondog wrote to All <=-

Mo> I think we might've grazed over it awhile back, but there is a new
Mo> cartridge that came out early this year called 30 super. It's a
Mo> lighter lesser diameter bullet than the 9mm, but the case is longer.
Mo> Their about the same legth, except for the case diameter is smaller. A
Mo> .308" 110 grain bullet versus a 124 grain or greater .356" diameter
Mo> projectile. Velocity is higher, which makes up for the lack of size.
Mo> In an S&W Shield+, capacity is 13 rounds compared to 7 rounds of 9mm.
Mo> A slightly extended mag which offers more to hold on to provides 16
Mo> round capacity. Federal , Remington, Seepr, CCI and Hornady are all
Mo> offering the round, so it's not like looking for 5.7 or 22TCM.

I'm behind on BBS'ing, so this might be beat to death - LOL - BUT...

I got excited about it when it was announced, but would really like to
SHOOT one to get the real feel... My carry is a .40 Shield and I was already
looking at upgrading to a Shield Plus for the increased capacity, but
I really like the .40 (just personal). The .30 SC seems to scratch that
same itch! If 10 rounds of 9 are good, then 15 round of .30 should
be better? :-)

Plus I've been 'intrigued,' I guess you'd say, but a .327 revolver. My
understanding is the .30 SC is the 'ACP' version of that round...

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