On 8/7/22 12:43, Phigan wrote:
>> Re: Babylon 5
>> Hands down the most "real" feeling SciFi I've ever seen...
>
> What about Avenue 5? :)

I haven't seen/heard about it... may take a look.

> Oh, I just thought of another scifi show I liked, Dark Matter.

I liked that show a lot too.
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Re: Re: Babylon 5
By: Tracker1 to Phigan on Thu Aug 11 2022 04:54 pm

> On 8/7/22 12:43, Phigan wrote:
> >> Re: Babylon 5
> >> Hands down the most "real" feeling SciFi I've ever seen...
>
> > What about Avenue 5? :)
>
> I haven't seen/heard about it... may take a look.
>

it's not a bad show, but it's not great. it's good to watch
when you just have time to kill.

I'm really surprised it's returning.

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Re: Re: Babylon 5
By: MRO to Moondog on Thu Aug 11 2022 01:13 pm

> Re: Re: Babylon 5
> By: Moondog to MRO on Wed Aug 10 2022 09:15 pm
>
> >
> > John Barrowman is homosexual, and had been pushing for more love scenes t
> > occasional kissing
>
> i dont know if he was pushing for it. i searched his interviews.
>
> he understand the jack character and that jack has no limits to what he will
>
> the serious just represented everything poorly.
>
I think it was in an IO9 article he mentioned he was open for more gay sex
scenes. He said there was a double standard in how lesbian love scenes are
portrayed opposed to gay male sex scenes.

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pF> I'm watching it again (I sorta got burned out a couple of episodes in)
pF> and I'm enjoying it.

Yeah, has a great storyline, have to follow it through to do it justice.

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Re: Re: Babylon 5
By: Moondog to MRO on Thu Aug 11 2022 09:28 pm

> I think it was in an IO9 article he mentioned he was open for more gay sex
> scenes. He said there was a double standard in how lesbian love scenes are
> portrayed opposed to gay male sex scenes.

i'd rather see NO sex scenes. it's stupid. especially when they aren't used for the plot.

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Re: Re: Babylon 5
By: MRO to Moondog on Fri Aug 12 2022 11:19 am

> Re: Re: Babylon 5
> By: Moondog to MRO on Thu Aug 11 2022 09:28 pm
>
> > I think it was in an IO9 article he mentioned he was open for more gay se
> > scenes. He said there was a double standard in how lesbian love scenes a
> > portrayed opposed to gay male sex scenes.
>
> i'd rather see NO sex scenes. it's stupid. especially when they aren't used
>
I agree. I consider Star Trek and it's varaints to be family programming.
There are several other shows I consider to be kid friendly action and
adventure should also tone down the sex.

I was reminded of the B5 episode where an alien seals a deal with Earth, and
part of the negotiation requires having sex. His culture regards having sex
to be the same as shaking hands. Ivanova was tasked to the negotiation, and
is trying to find a way out of it. She learns the negotiator is ignorant of
Earth custom, and she makes up a ritual where she dances around the alien,
acting like she's turned on, then shakes his hand.

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Re: Re: Babylon 5
By: Vk3jed to Brokenmind on Thu Aug 11 2022 08:06 pm

Vk> Got all of Babylon 5 on DVD here.

Cool!

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Br> @VIA: VERT/TIABBS
Br> Re: Re: Babylon 5
Br> By: Vk3jed to Brokenmind on Thu Aug 11 2022 08:06 pm

Vk> Got all of Babylon 5 on DVD here.

Br> Cool!

Yeah, and watched it many times. :)

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On 8/15/22 04:32, Vk3jed wrote:
>>> Got all of Babylon 5 on DVD here.
>>
>> Cool!
>
> Yeah, and watched it many times. :)
For what it's worth, HBO Max did a high definition remaster of it...
it's much better quality than the DVD copy... I'm guessing they used the
best available sourcing and did AI upscaling with well trained AI
against actor and studio photos. Even the SFX is much better than the
DVD version.

The new version can be found on the high seas if you look.
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Re: Re: Babylon 5
By: Tracker1 to Vk3jed on Sun Aug 21 2022 09:02 pm

Tr> For what it's worth, HBO Max did a high definition remaster of it...
Tr> it's much better quality than the DVD copy... I'm guessing they used the
Tr> best available sourcing and did AI upscaling with well trained AI
Tr> against actor and studio photos.

If the show was recorded on 35mm film or similar, they could re-scan it in high definition, which would probably provide better quality than an AI upscale with current software.

Nightfox

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Re: Re: Babylon 5
By: Nightfox to Tracker1 on Mon Aug 22 2022 08:37 am

Tr>> For what it's worth, HBO Max did a high definition remaster of it...
Tr>> it's much better quality than the DVD copy... I'm guessing they used
Tr>> the best available sourcing and did AI upscaling with well trained
Tr>> AI against actor and studio photos.

Ni> If the show was recorded on 35mm film or similar, they could re-scan it in
Ni> high definition, which would probably provide better quality than an AI
Ni> upscale with current software.

If you're talking about B5, I think it has the same problem that Star Trek: DS9 and Voyager have, in that practical effects were shot on 35mm, but the digital effects were done another way, and can't be upscaled. All digital effects would need to be recreated from scratch.

DaiTengu

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Re: Re: Babylon 5
By: DaiTengu to Nightfox on Mon Aug 22 2022 02:05 pm

Da> If you're talking about B5, I think it has the same problem that Star
Da> Trek: DS9 and Voyager have, in that practical effects were shot on 35mm,
Da> but the digital effects were done another way, and can't be upscaled. All
Da> digital effects would need to be recreated from scratch.

Yeah, I'v heard about that with the digital effects.

Also, I thought I had heard DS9 and Voyager were recorded on videotape (rather
than 35mm film), which is one of the problems with doing a HD remaster of those shows. I heard Star Trek: TNG was filmed on 35mm film, which allowed them to more easily re-scan the negatives to 1080p, and less of TNG's effects were done digitally.

Also, from what I've heard, the reason DS9 and Voyager's digital effects would need to be re-created from scratch is that most of the original files have been lost. If they had been saved somewhere, they'd just need to re-render the effects at a higher resolution.

Nightfox

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Re: Re: Babylon 5
By: Nightfox to DaiTengu on Mon Aug 22 2022 03:08 pm

>
> Also, from what I've heard, the reason DS9 and Voyager's digital effects
> would need to be re-created from scratch is that most of the original files
> have been lost. If they had been saved somewhere, they'd just need to
> re-render the effects at a higher resolution.

I don't blame them for shooting on tape.
and look at how many episodes they have a year. it's over 20.

they were working those people to death. It's incredible what they did in tv back then.

I think now, most shows just do enough to cover each month of the year if even that.

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Tr> For what it's worth, HBO Max did a high definition remaster of it...
Tr> it's much better quality than the DVD copy... I'm guessing they used
Tr> the best available sourcing and did AI upscaling with well trained AI
Tr> against actor and studio photos. Even the SFX is much better than the
Tr> DVD version.

Yes, I am aware of this remaster. A big improvement.

Tr> The new version can be found on the high seas if you look.

Yeah, can confirm. :)

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Re: Re: Babylon 5
By: DaiTengu to Nightfox on Mon Aug 22 2022 02:05 pm

> Re: Re: Babylon 5
> By: Nightfox to Tracker1 on Mon Aug 22 2022 08:37 am
>
> Tr>> For what it's worth, HBO Max did a high definition remaster of it...
> Tr>> it's much better quality than the DVD copy... I'm guessing they used
> Tr>> the best available sourcing and did AI upscaling with well trained
> Tr>> AI against actor and studio photos.
>
> Ni> If the show was recorded on 35mm film or similar, they could re-scan it
> Ni> high definition, which would probably provide better quality than an AI
> Ni> upscale with current software.
>
> If you're talking about B5, I think it has the same problem that Star Trek:
> created from scratch.
>
> DaiTengu
>
> ... A self-starting oscillator won't.
>
Well said. grainy, poorly rendedered (by modern standards) CGI canot be
enhanced. Chances are whatever the source files used to create the animation
no longer exist or it would be way easier to start over from scratch to recrea
te more suitable graphics.

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Re: Re: Babylon 5
By: MRO to Nightfox on Mon Aug 22 2022 08:55 pm

> Re: Re: Babylon 5
> By: Nightfox to DaiTengu on Mon Aug 22 2022 03:08 pm
>
> >
> > Also, from what I've heard, the reason DS9 and Voyager's digital effects
> > would need to be re-created from scratch is that most of the original fil
> > have been lost. If they had been saved somewhere, they'd just need to
> > re-render the effects at a higher resolution.
>
> I don't blame them for shooting on tape.
> and look at how many episodes they have a year. it's over 20.
>
> they were working those people to death. It's incredible what they did in tv
>
> I think now, most shows just do enough to cover each month of the year if ev
>
I forgot which actor it was, may Peter Capaldi, who complained about the 12+
hour work days the Dr Who producers expected the crew and actors to work.
Must be a British thing regarding work hours, because that is common fare
with filming any Hollywood or Vancouver productions. Funny thing he was
complaining about doing this over a run of eight or so episodes a half
season. TNG or X-Files would do this over 26 episodes a season. Soap operas
such as General Hospital had to film an episode in one day to keep producing
5 hour long shows a week.

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On 8/22/22 08:37, Nightfox wrote:
>> For what it's worth, HBO Max did a high definition remaster of it...
>> it's much better quality than the DVD copy... I'm guessing they used
>> the best available sourcing and did AI upscaling with well trained AI
>> against actor and studio photos.
>
> If the show was recorded on 35mm film or similar, they could re-scan
> it in high definition, which would probably provide better quality
> than an AI upscale with current software.

No idea, just know the SFX scenes were also improved from DVD quality,
so assumed it was AI driven, but may have been a rescan for parts as
well, usually depends on the time/money investment the company is
willing to make.
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On 8/23/22 12:54, Moondog wrote:
>
> Well said. grainy, poorly rendedered (by modern standards) CGI canot be
> enhanced. Chances are whatever the source files used to create the animation
> no longer exist or it would be way easier to start over from scratch to recrea
> te more suitable graphics.

B5 SFX was rendered at 1/2 scale (quarter screen) and enlarged and the
original models are gone. It's definitely not new/recreated models/fx,
and definitely better than original... like I said probably AI upscaled,
there are animation upscale algorithms that do pretty good, which is
likely what was used for those clips. There's a host of problems why B5
didn't see a remaster before the one for HBO Max, which is why my
assumption is it was a good AI driven upscaling.
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Re: Re: Babylon 5
By: Moondog to MRO on Tue Aug 23 2022 04:04 pm

> I forgot which actor it was, may Peter Capaldi, who complained about the 12+
> hour work days the Dr Who producers expected the crew and actors to work.
> Must be a British thing regarding work hours, because that is common fare
> with filming any Hollywood or Vancouver productions. Funny thing he was

i'm sure they werent needed for all 12 hrs, too. they could rest in their trailer.

echleston also complained about how the crew was treated [not the actors] in
regards to workload so there might be something.

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Re: Re: Babylon 5
By: MRO to Moondog on Wed Aug 24 2022 08:33 pm

> Re: Re: Babylon 5
> By: Moondog to MRO on Tue Aug 23 2022 04:04 pm
>
> > I forgot which actor it was, may Peter Capaldi, who complained about the
> > hour work days the Dr Who producers expected the crew and actors to work.
> > Must be a British thing regarding work hours, because that is common fare
> > with filming any Hollywood or Vancouver productions. Funny thing he was
>
>
> i'm sure they werent needed for all 12 hrs, too. they could rest in their t
>
> echleston also complained about how the crew was treated [not the actors] in
> regards to workload so there might be something.
>
I saw Armin Shimmerman at a Trek convention long ago, and he talked about
long days filming DS9. They would sometimes re-film scenes from different
angles, then mix between the scenes later on. One time his character was
supposed to be presumed dead, or is laying unconscious, so he had to lay
there for several hours as they filmed and re-filmed dialog from the actors
standing over him. The shots were going good, little need for re-shoots of li
nes. When they were nearly done, he realized he forgot to have his teeth
prosthetics placed back in after lunch! Some closeups were redone, however
in most scenes where he is visible with other actors, it's only noticeable if
you're looking for it.

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Re: Re: Babylon 5
By: Vk3jed to Brokenmind on Thu Aug 11 2022 08:06 pm

Vk> Got all of Babylon 5 on DVD here.

thats asome I have them all also but i bought them on speical on Vudu awhile back.

BrokenMind

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