1: Y'all
2: Ya'll

Re: Y'all or Ya'll?
By: Hayden Walker to on Sat Apr 22 2023 11:01 pm

HW> 1: Y'all [2 66.67%] √
HW> 2: Ya'll [1 33.33%] √

The apostrophe is between the words "you" and "all". #1 is the only correct answer.. Where/why would "ya'll" be correct?

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Re: Y'all or Ya'll?
By: Nightfox to Hayden Walker on Sun Apr 23 2023 03:37 pm

Yes, thats true. But if your a redneck like myself, it's pronounced like #2
How Ya'll doin? for example. I have a bachelor's degree in english and I still speak wrong. That's what growing on a up farm does to some of us :)

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Re: Y'all or Ya'll?
By: Trapper to Nightfox on Mon Apr 24 2023 08:30 am

Tr> Yes, thats true. But if your a redneck like myself, it's pronounced like
Tr> #2 How Ya'll doin? for example. I have a bachelor's degree in english and
Tr> I still speak wrong. That's what growing on a up farm does to some of us

I don't know how "y'all" and "ya'll" would be pronounced differently..?

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-=> Nightfox wrote to Trapper <=-

Tr> Yes, thats true. But if your a redneck like myself, it's pronounced like
Tr> #2 How Ya'll doin? for example. I have a bachelor's degree in english and
Tr> I still speak wrong. That's what growing on a up farm does to some of us

Ni> I don't know how "y'all" and "ya'll" would be pronounced
Ni> differently..?

The first is basically one syllable, and the second is (sort of) two.
;-)

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Re: Re: Y'all or Ya'll?
By: Gamgee to Nightfox on Mon Apr 24 2023 06:59 pm

> -=> Nightfox wrote to Trapper <=-
>
> Tr> Yes, thats true. But if your a redneck like myself, it's pronounced lik
> Tr> #2 How Ya'll doin? for example. I have a bachelor's degree in english a
> Tr> I still speak wrong. That's what growing on a up farm does to some of u
>
> Ni> I don't know how "y'all" and "ya'll" would be pronounced
> Ni> differently..?
>
> The first is basically one syllable, and the second is (sort of) two.
> ;-)
>
>
>
> ... YORGAMAK HAS ARRIVED AND WILL INITIATE DESTRUCTIMATION.

Y'all is well accepted. "Your people" is taken in a derogatory manner.

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Re: Re: Y'all or Ya'll?
By: Moondog to Gamgee on Tue Apr 25 2023 11:14 am

> Ni>> I don't know how "y'all" and "ya'll" would be pronounced
> Ni>> differently..?

> The first is basically one syllable, and the second is (sort of)
> two. ;-)

Mo> Y'all is well accepted. "Your people" is taken in a derogatory manner.

I'm not sure how that relates to the past posts in this thread.. And I've never heard anyone say "your people" in place of "y'all". And I don't think "y'all" is really synonymous with "your people".. Most often, I hear it in the context of something like "Dinner's ready, y'all", where "your people" wouldn't really work in that kind of sentence.

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> Ni> I don't know how "y'all" and "ya'll" would be pronounced
> Ni> differently..?

> The first is basically one syllable, and the second is (sort of) two.
> ;-)

+1

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Re: Y'all or Ya'll?
By: Trapper to Nightfox on Mon Apr 24 2023 08:30 am

> Yes, thats true. But if your a redneck like myself, it's pronounced like #2
> How Ya'll doin? for example. I have a bachelor's degree in english and I still speak wrong. That's what growing on a
> up farm does to some of us :)

(cordially)
See, on the one hand, I definitely get that. My neck of the South has it rhyme with hall/call/ball, but I
know that's far from the only way.

On the other hand, I've had Midwesterners tell me y'all is wrong, and that I should spell it ya'll, and that
basically guaranteed I'd never do that.

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Re: Re: Y'all or Ya'll?
By: Nightfox to Moondog on Tue Apr 25 2023 01:29 pm

Ni> think "y'all" is really synonymous with "your people".. Most often, I hear
Ni> it in the context of something like "Dinner's ready, y'all", where "your
Ni> people" wouldn't really work in that kind of sentence.

That person or group of two or more over there = Y'all.

The larger group, or people in general - all Y'all.

Sometimes heard to reference one person, may be archaic - Y'un or Y'uns.
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-=> Nightfox wrote to Moondog <=-

Ni> Re: Re: Y'all or Ya'll?
Ni> By: Moondog to Gamgee on Tue Apr 25 2023 11:14 am

> Ni>> I don't know how "y'all" and "ya'll" would be pronounced
> Ni>> differently..?

> The first is basically one syllable, and the second is (sort of)
> two. ;-)

Mo> Y'all is well accepted. "Your people" is taken in a derogatory manner.

Ni> I'm not sure how that relates to the past posts in this thread..

It doesn't. I asked him the same thing. Kinda strange how things jump
all over the map.

Ni> And I've never heard anyone say "your people" in place of
Ni> "y'all".

Neither have I.

Ni> And I don't think "y'all" is really synonymous with
Ni> "your people".. Most often, I hear it in the context of
Ni> something like "Dinner's ready, y'all", where "your people"
Ni> wouldn't really work in that kind of sentence.

100%.

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-=> Moondog wrote to Gamgee <=-

Mo> Re: Re: Y'all or Ya'll?
Mo> By: Gamgee to Nightfox on Mon Apr 24 2023 06:59 pm

> Ni> I don't know how "y'all" and "ya'll" would be pronounced
> Ni> differently..?

> The first is basically one syllable, and the second is (sort of) two.
> ;-)

Mo> Y'all is well accepted.

Huh? We were talking about how it was pronounced, not whether it was
"accepted" or not.

Mo> "Your people" is taken in a derogatory manner.

Huh? What does that mean? Where did that come from? How does that fit
into the conversation that is going on?

Please try to focus a little.

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-=> poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Nightfox <=-

pF> That person or group of two or more over there = Y'all.

pF> The larger group, or people in general - all Y'all.

pF> Sometimes heard to reference one person, may be archaic - Y'un or
pF> Y'uns.

Spot on.

Not really related, but funny - in the words of "My Cousin Vinny":
Yutes.

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Hello Margaerynne!

M> (cordially) See, on the one hand, I definitely get that. My
M> neck of the South has it rhyme with hall/call/ball, but I
M> know that's far from the only way.

M> On the other hand, I've had Midwesterners tell me y'all is
M> wrong, and that I should spell it ya'll, and that basically
M> guaranteed I'd never do that.

For what it's worth, the Canadian version of y'all is y'use or
y'ooz, rhymes with ooze/booze/loose.

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> Mo> "Your people" is taken in a derogatory manner.

> Huh? What does that mean? Where did that come from? How does that fit
> into the conversation that is going on?

> Please try to focus a little.

Maybe he meant "you people" which I have heard used on rare occassion.

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Re: Re: Y'all or Ya'll?
By: Nightfox to Moondog on Tue Apr 25 2023 01:29 pm

> Re: Re: Y'all or Ya'll?
> By: Moondog to Gamgee on Tue Apr 25 2023 11:14 am
>
> > Ni>> I don't know how "y'all" and "ya'll" would be pronounced
> > Ni>> differently..?
>
> > The first is basically one syllable, and the second is (sort of)
> > two. ;-)
>
> Mo> Y'all is well accepted. "Your people" is taken in a derogatory manner.
>
> I'm not sure how that relates to the past posts in this thread.. And I've n
> ike "Dinner's ready, y'all", where "your people" wouldn't really work in tha
>
> Nightfox
>
It is along the lines of you all, you's guys, used in placing a person within
a group.

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Re: Re: Y'all or Ya'll?
By: Dumas Walker to GAMGEE on Wed Apr 26 2023 03:54 pm

> > Mo> "Your people" is taken in a derogatory manner.
>
> > Huh? What does that mean? Where did that come from? How does that fit
> > into the conversation that is going on?
>
> > Please try to focus a little.
>
> Maybe he meant "you people" which I have heard used on rare occassion.
>
>
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>
Bingo.

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> > > Mo> "Your people" is taken in a derogatory manner.
> >
> > > Huh? What does that mean? Where did that come from? How does that fit
> > > into the conversation that is going on?
> >
> > > Please try to focus a little.
> >
> > Maybe he meant "you people" which I have heard used on rare occassion.
> >
> Bingo.

When you said it could be taken in a derogatory manner, I figured as much.
IIRC, didn't Ross Perot run into some issues using that phrase during one
of his Presidential runs?

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Re: Re: Y'all or Ya'll?
By: Gamgee to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Apr 26 2023 07:57 am

> > That person or group of two or more over there = Y'all.
> Not really related, but funny - in the words of "My Cousin Vinny":
> Yutes.

What? Did you say Yutes? What is a "Yute"?

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-=> HusTler wrote to Gamgee <=-

Hu> Re: Re: Y'all or Ya'll?
Hu> By: Gamgee to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Apr 26 2023 07:57 am

> > That person or group of two or more over there = Y'all.

> Not really related, but funny - in the words of "My Cousin Vinny":
> Yutes.

Hu> What? Did you say Yutes? What is a "Yute"?

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Re: Re: Y'all or Ya'll?
By: Gamgee to HusTler on Tue May 02 2023 07:38 am

> > > That person or group of two or more over there = Y'all.
>
> > Not really related, but funny - in the words of "My Cousin Vinny":
> > Yutes.

10/10 scene, but also exactly how I feel saying "y'all" in the northwest.

"Do yooouuu alll have any coke?"

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-=> Margaerynne wrote to Gamgee <=-

Ma> Re: Re: Y'all or Ya'll?
Ma> By: Gamgee to HusTler on Tue May 02 2023 07:38 am

> > > That person or group of two or more over there = Y'all.

> > Not really related, but funny - in the words of "My Cousin Vinny":
> > Yutes.

Ma> 10/10 scene, but also exactly how I feel saying "y'all" in the
Ma> northwest.

Ma> "Do yooouuu alll have any coke?"

Hahaha, yep! I lived in the Seattle area for 6 years, years ago, and
it's just not heard up that way. There are similar regional "dialects"
all around the country.

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Re: Re: Y'all or Ya'll?
By: Gamgee to Margaerynne on Wed May 03 2023 08:35 pm

> Hahaha, yep! I lived in the Seattle area for 6 years, years ago, and
> it's just not heard up that way. There are similar regional "dialects"
> all around the country.

It's weird, because the West Coast will get you the most looks for saying y'all
as it's meant to be used, but it's also pretty heavy on what I call the
Corporate Y'All, where it's used as a straight substitute for any gendered
or other identifying words.

So "Y'all know when the game is going to start?" is grosse verboten, but
"Good morning, y'all!" is inclusive and forward-thinking.

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-=> Margaerynne wrote to Gamgee <=-

Ma> Re: Re: Y'all or Ya'll?
Ma> By: Gamgee to Margaerynne on Wed May 03 2023 08:35 pm

> Hahaha, yep! I lived in the Seattle area for 6 years, years ago, and
> it's just not heard up that way. There are similar regional "dialects"
> all around the country.

Ma> It's weird, because the West Coast will get you the most looks
Ma> for saying y'all
Ma> as it's meant to be used, but it's also pretty heavy on what I
Ma> call the
Ma> Corporate Y'All, where it's used as a straight substitute for
Ma> any gendered
Ma> or other identifying words.

Ma> So "Y'all know when the game is going to start?" is grosse
Ma> verboten, but
Ma> "Good morning, y'all!" is inclusive and forward-thinking.

LOL, yes I can see that being that way. Not much stranger than many
things out on that coast... ;-)

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-=> Margaerynne wrote to Gamgee <=-

Ma> It's weird, because the West Coast will get you the most looks for
Ma> saying y'all
Ma> as it's meant to be used, but it's also pretty heavy on what I call
Ma> the
Ma> Corporate Y'All, where it's used as a straight substitute for any
Ma> gendered
Ma> or other identifying words.

Y'all is gender-inclusive, and bullet-dodging in many circumstances.

"Greetings, Beings!" doesn't have the same ring to it.

Aside: I know a pretty blonde woman with a southern accent. The same way
a woman with an Australian accent is a weak spot for a lot of American
men, a southern accent in Australia had the same effect on men.

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