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Re: No Agenda Podcast
By: Wormwood to All on Thu Sep 22 2022 12:58 am

Wo> Any listeners here?

I think I tuned into it a couple times. I'm honestly surprised Leo Laporte didn't boot Dvorak off the TWIT Network far earlier. the guy's completely lost it.

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Re: No Agenda Podcast
By: DaiTengu to Wormwood on Tue Sep 27 2022 09:06 am

> I think I tuned into it a couple times. I'm honestly surprised Leo Laporte
> didn't boot Dvorak off the TWIT Network far earlier. the guy's completely
> lost it.

meh. john still seems alright. that whole twit thing just came off as jealousy imo. haven't listened to twit in a while so i'll have to check that out. i miss the old days of zdnet

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Re: No Agenda Podcast
By: DaiTengu to Wormwood on Tue Sep 27 2022 09:06 am

> Re: No Agenda Podcast
> By: Wormwood to All on Thu Sep 22 2022 12:58 am
>
> Wo> Any listeners here?
>
>
> I think I tuned into it a couple times. I'm honestly surprised Leo Laporte
> didn't boot Dvorak off the TWIT Network far earlier. the guy's completely
> lost it.
>

who are you talking about losing it? leo or dvorak?

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Re: No Agenda Podcast
By: Wormwood to DaiTengu on Tue Sep 27 2022 05:08 pm

> Re: No Agenda Podcast
> By: DaiTengu to Wormwood on Tue Sep 27 2022 09:06 am
>
> > I think I tuned into it a couple times. I'm honestly surprised Leo Lapor
> > didn't boot Dvorak off the TWIT Network far earlier. the guy's completel
> > lost it.
>
> meh. john still seems alright. that whole twit thing just came off as jealou
>
I also miss zdnet and TechTV. It' sbeen ages since I listened to twit.
Speaking of Dvorak, there's an episode of Computer Chronicles where has an
appearance with the "new" IBM PS/2. He was there to demonstrate it's "tool
free" disassembly for upgrade and service (no need for tool kits in the future.
)

He had a hell of a time pulling it apart. The clips and brackets worked real
well. ZDS tried that and we had to use a fiberglass blade tool to act as a
lever and shim. Other than that line, they went back to screws because clips
would break, and items held together by friction or connector tension woul
d work their way loose. Replacement parts would come with screws or zip
ties.

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Re: No Agenda Podcast
By: Moondog to Wormwood on Tue Sep 27 2022 03:54 pm

>
> I also miss zdnet and TechTV. It' sbeen ages since I listened to twit.
> Speaking of Dvorak, there's an episode of Computer Chronicles where has an
> appearance with the "new" IBM PS/2. He was there to demonstrate it's "tool
> free" disassembly for upgrade and service (no need for tool kits in the
> future. )
>

oh yeah. back then they were engineering all kinds of contraptions and plastic levers for their cases. i got a bunch of computers from that era from my uncle's business and i got to go through them and grab what parts i wanted.

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Re: No Agenda Podcast
By: MRO to Moondog on Tue Sep 27 2022 10:24 pm

> Re: No Agenda Podcast
> By: Moondog to Wormwood on Tue Sep 27 2022 03:54 pm
>
> >
> > I also miss zdnet and TechTV. It' sbeen ages since I listened to twit.
> > Speaking of Dvorak, there's an episode of Computer Chronicles where has a
> > appearance with the "new" IBM PS/2. He was there to demonstrate it's "to
> > free" disassembly for upgrade and service (no need for tool kits in the
> > future. )
> >
>
> oh yeah. back then they were engineering all kinds of contraptions and plast
>

The tool free design was a good idea, but standardizing screw head sizes and
trying to keep screws a standard size was a better idea. Some cases had a
combination of both flat head and phillips head screws, while Compaq was one
of the first companies to move to star/ torx screws to keep knuckleheads with
butter knives out of their cases.

Another source of the comlaint was from mainframe techs who were being forced
into working on desktops. The were used to working in more spacious chassis,
and it didn't require tearing half the system apart to pull a hard drive.
Retaining trays held in by one or two screws shaved time off of replacing
parts.

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> who are you talking about losing it? leo or dvorak?

i think he was saying dvorak lost it. seems like the same ol guy to me :shrug:

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Mo> I also miss zdnet and TechTV. It' sbeen ages since I listened to twit.

I was just thinking back to the first dot-com boom/bust in 1999-2001. I was
working at a startup in San Francisco, and MSNBC started with a base in SF
as a tech TV channel. Interesting times.

Mo> Speaking of Dvorak, there's an episode of Computer Chronicles where has
Mo> an appearance with the "new" IBM PS/2. He was there to demonstrate
Mo> it's "tool free" disassembly for upgrade and service (no need for tool
Mo> kits in the future. )

Mo> He had a hell of a time pulling it apart. The clips and brackets
Mo> worked real well. ZDS tried that and we had to use a fiberglass blade
Mo> tool to act as a lever and shim.

That's surprising - I worked in an IBM shop in the early '90s, and all the
old PS/2s (model 25, 50, 60 and 80) all came apart with a quarter, as long
as you weren't removing the motherboard.

Other than that line, they went back
Mo> to screws because clips would break, and items held together by
Mo> friction or connector tension woul d work their way loose. Replacement
Mo> parts would come with screws or zip ties.
Mo> 
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Re: No Agenda Podcast
By: MRO to DaiTengu on Tue Sep 27 2022 04:04 pm

>> I think I tuned into it a couple times. I'm honestly surprised Leo
>> Laporte didn't boot Dvorak off the TWIT Network far earlier. the
>> guy's completely lost it.

MR> who are you talking about losing it? leo or dvorak?

Dvorak.

Maybe he was always like that, but he kept his conspiracy-theory laden, borderline racist thoughts out of his public persona. He was a mildly entertaining, snarky curmudgeon. Once No Agenda started though, he just became angry. He went from taking snarky potshots at comments, to just trying to rip them apart in nonsensical ways. And, because his whole schtick was about "self promotion", he started to drag that conspiracy-theory laden persona into everything else he did.

Leo also lost it, but in a different, far more common "mid life crisis" kind of way.

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Re: No Agenda Podcast
By: Moondog to MRO on Wed Sep 28 2022 08:29 am

>
>
> The tool free design was a good idea, but standardizing screw head sizes and
> trying to keep screws a standard size was a better idea. Some cases had a
> combination of both flat head and phillips head screws, while Compaq was one
> of the first companies to move to star/ torx screws to keep knuckleheads
> with butter knives out of their cases.
>
> Another source of the comlaint was from mainframe techs who were being
> forced into working on desktops. The were used to working in more spacious
> chassis, and it didn't require tearing half the system apart to pull a hard
> drive. Retaining trays held in by one or two screws shaved time off of
> replacing parts.

oh i never saw torx screws in a computer case. i have seen all kinds of weird shit. i saw one case where you had to stick your hand in the front real deep and hit a release after you pulled off the exterior case.

i have seen gigantic harddrives and huge fans. engineers took quit some time to set standards on everything.

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Re: No Agenda Podcast
By: Wormwood to MRO on Wed Sep 28 2022 02:26 pm

> > who are you talking about losing it? leo or dvorak?
>
> i think he was saying dvorak lost it. seems like the same ol guy to me
> :shrug:

leo leporte is such a poser, i've never liked his ass.
and then he was showing his dick pics online and i was like holy shit dude.

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Re: No Agenda Podcast
By: DaiTengu to MRO on Wed Sep 28 2022 09:59 am

> Dvorak.
>
> Maybe he was always like that, but he kept his conspiracy-theory laden,
> borderline racist thoughts out of his public persona. He was a mildly
> entertaining, snarky curmudgeon. Once No Agenda started though, he just
> became angry. He went from taking snarky potshots at comments, to just

oh i just know of his old stuff. i'm listening to dhunplugged now and see how it is.

>
> Leo also lost it, but in a different, far more common "mid life crisis" kind
> of way.

yes, i need eye bleach.

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Re: No Agenda Podcast
By: MRO to DaiTengu on Wed Sep 28 2022 04:22 pm

> Re: No Agenda Podcast
> By: DaiTengu to MRO on Wed Sep 28 2022 09:59 am
>
> > Dvorak.
>
> > Maybe he was always like that, but he kept his conspiracy-theory laden,
> > borderline racist thoughts out of his public persona. He was a mildly
> > entertaining, snarky curmudgeon. Once No Agenda started though, he just
> > became angry. He went from taking snarky potshots at comments, to just
>
> oh i just know of his old stuff. i'm listening to dhunplugged now and see
> how it is.
>
>
> > Leo also lost it, but in a different, far more common "mid life crisis"
> > kind of way.
>
> yes, i need eye bleach.

okay i had it on there's a lot of nothing talk and then he was talking about pronouns. pretty boring stuff. not as boring as techdorks, though.
i just turned it off.

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Re: Re: No Agenda Podcast
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Moondog on Wed Sep 28 2022 06:57 am

> -=> Moondog wrote to Wormwood <=-
>
> Mo> I also miss zdnet and TechTV. It' sbeen ages since I listened to twit.
>
> I was just thinking back to the first dot-com boom/bust in 1999-2001. I was
> working at a startup in San Francisco, and MSNBC started with a base in SF
> as a tech TV channel. Interesting times.
>
> Mo> Speaking of Dvorak, there's an episode of Computer Chronicles where has
> Mo> an appearance with the "new" IBM PS/2. He was there to demonstrate
> Mo> it's "tool free" disassembly for upgrade and service (no need for tool
> Mo> kits in the future. )
>
> Mo> He had a hell of a time pulling it apart. The clips and brackets
> Mo> worked real well. ZDS tried that and we had to use a fiberglass blade
> Mo> tool to act as a lever and shim.
>
> That's surprising - I worked in an IBM shop in the early '90s, and all the
> old PS/2s (model 25, 50, 60 and 80) all came apart with a quarter, as long
> as you weren't removing the motherboard.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Other than that line, they went back
> Mo> to screws because clips would break, and items held together by
> Mo> friction or connector tension woul d work their way loose. Replacement
> Mo> parts would come with screws or zip ties.
> Mo> 
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Gateway had a low profile desktop model that was mostly tool free, and the
machine would flex and the metal chassis would get bent, causing pieces to
stick in place or have riser cards pop out from their card slots. W would
explain the situation to the phone service tech, and he refused to believe
us. If it were Dell or IBM, they would've replaced the desktop with less
conflict.

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Re: No Agenda Podcast
By: MRO to Moondog on Wed Sep 28 2022 04:18 pm

> Re: No Agenda Podcast
> By: Moondog to MRO on Wed Sep 28 2022 08:29 am
>
> >
> >
> > The tool free design was a good idea, but standardizing screw head sizes
> > trying to keep screws a standard size was a better idea. Some cases had
> > combination of both flat head and phillips head screws, while Compaq was
> > of the first companies to move to star/ torx screws to keep knuckleheads
> > with butter knives out of their cases.
> >
> > Another source of the comlaint was from mainframe techs who were being
> > forced into working on desktops. The were used to working in more spacio
> > chassis, and it didn't require tearing half the system apart to pull a ha
> > drive. Retaining trays held in by one or two screws shaved time off of
> > replacing parts.
>
> oh i never saw torx screws in a computer case. i have seen all kinds of weir
>
> i have seen gigantic harddrives and huge fans. engineers took quit some tim
>

My Compaq Portable II from 1986 had torx or star head screws. Later on in
the late 1990's I saw they retained them in the Compaq Deskpro desktops.
They used green thumb screws to remove the side panel, and the thumb screw
had a flat head slot plus the torx slot.

Large format printers I've assembled and worked on commonly had hex screws.

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Re: No Agenda Podcast
By: MRO to Wormwood on Wed Sep 28 2022 04:19 pm

> leo leporte is such a poser, i've never liked his ass.
> and then he was showing his dick pics online and i was like holy shit dude.

leo is a disingenuous product shill. dvorak is actually smart and entertaining. seems like he is actually okay with who he is. generally you can gauge the quality of content(or the lack thereof) by the prevalence of advertisement.

i tried listening to a couple of episodes of twit and its just unlistenable. its pseudo tech talk interlaced with sanctioned social and cultural commentary and constant transition to contextualized advertisement.

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Re: No Agenda Podcast
By: Moondog to MRO on Wed Sep 28 2022 10:20 pm

> My Compaq Portable II from 1986 had torx or star head screws. Later on in

that's probably because they didn't want you to service it.
> My Compaq Portable II from 1986 had torx or star head screws. Later on in
> the late 1990's I saw they retained them in the Compaq Deskpro desktops.
> They used green thumb screws to remove the side panel, and the thumb screw
> had a flat head slot plus the torx slot.

i never saw torx screws on a compaq or green thumb screws. i have seen big thumb screws in these older computers.
i had a whole room full of 286's 386's and older junk. like you couldn't see the floor until i went through it.

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Re: No Agenda Podcast
By: Wormwood to MRO on Thu Sep 29 2022 02:51 pm

> Re: No Agenda Podcast
> By: MRO to Wormwood on Wed Sep 28 2022 04:19 pm
>
> > leo leporte is such a poser, i've never liked his ass.
> > and then he was showing his dick pics online and i was like holy shit
> > dude.
>
> leo is a disingenuous product shill. dvorak is actually smart and
> entertaining. seems like he is actually okay with who he is. generally you
> can gauge the quality of content(or the lack thereof) by the prevalence of
> advertisement.
>

yeah i agree. leo is a slimeball piece of shit and dvorak seems genuine.

>
> i tried listening to a couple of episodes of twit and its just unlistenable.
> its pseudo tech talk interlaced with sanctioned social and cultural
> commentary and constant transition to contextualized advertisement.

he's a twit for sure.
i can't stand the guy.

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-=> MRO wrote to Moondog <=-

MR> i never saw torx screws on a compaq or green thumb screws. i have
MR> seen big thumb screws in these older computers. i had a whole
MR> room full of 286's 386's and older junk. like you couldn't see
MR> the floor until i went through it.

Damn, you've stated you're a "big dude", but didn't realize you were
morbidly obese. Exactly how overweight *ARE* you that your weight
caused you to fall through the floor?

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Re: No Agenda Podcast
By: Wormwood to MRO on Thu Sep 29 2022 02:51 pm

Wo> i tried listening to a couple of episodes of twit and its just
Wo> unlistenable. its pseudo tech talk interlaced with sanctioned social and
Wo> cultural commentary and constant transition to contextualized
Wo> advertisement.

There's a few podcasts on the TWIT network that are OK. This Week in Enterprise Tech is decent. Security Now is pretty OK. All About Android is occasionally decent. Same with This Week in Google, but only when they're talking about more cloud-computing enterprise-y type stuff...

I definitely don't listen to them on a regular basis. I do have a "TWIT" thing on my Alexa flash briefing, which plays a mildly interesting selected clip from one of their podcasts over the last day or two. Usually that's enough for me.

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Re: No Agenda Podcast
By: MRO to Moondog on Thu Sep 29 2022 05:00 pm

> > My Compaq Portable II from 1986 had torx or star head screws. Later on i
> > the late 1990's I saw they retained them in the Compaq Deskpro desktops.
> > They used green thumb screws to remove the side panel, and the thumb scre
> > had a flat head slot plus the torx slot.
>
> i never saw torx screws on a compaq or green thumb screws. i have seen big t
> i had a whole room full of 286's 386's and older junk. like you couldn't see

I guess those Compaqs had "slotted torx"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_screw_drives#Slotted/Torx

"A combined slotted and Torx drive screw was used in electronics manufacturing.
For example, Compaq used this type to combine the benefits of Torx in
manufacturing and the commonality of flat drive in field repair situations. The
slot was closed on the end"

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Re: No Agenda Podcast
By: MRO to Moondog on Thu Sep 29 2022 04:00 pm

> Re: No Agenda Podcast
> By: Moondog to MRO on Wed Sep 28 2022 10:20 pm
>
> > My Compaq Portable II from 1986 had torx or star head screws. Later on i
>
> that's probably because they didn't want you to service it.
> > My Compaq Portable II from 1986 had torx or star head screws. Later on i
> > the late 1990's I saw they retained them in the Compaq Deskpro desktops.
> > They used green thumb screws to remove the side panel, and the thumb scre
> > had a flat head slot plus the torx slot.
>
> i never saw torx screws on a compaq or green thumb screws. i have seen big t
> i had a whole room full of 286's 386's and older junk. like you couldn't see
>

I agree Compaq was using torx screws to keep the idiots using butter knives
as screwdrivers from touching something they shouldn't.

Regarding the Compaqs with no torx screws, were they business class or home/
small office machines? Not sure if there was a separation back then. The
Deskpros we were pulling out of service and the newer models at the time (PII
450's) all had the thumb screws on the outside and torx screws holding hard
drives in their trays.

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Re: No Agenda Podcast
By: Nopants to MRO on Fri Sep 30 2022 04:33 am

>
> I guess those Compaqs had "slotted torx"
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_screw_drives#Slotted/Torx
>
> "A combined slotted and Torx drive screw was used in electronics
> manufacturing. For example, Compaq used this type to combine the benefits of
> Torx in manufacturing and the commonality of flat drive in field repair
> situations. The slot was closed on the end"

i dont think i saw one of those. unless a phillips screwdriver worked in it too and i wasnt paying attention.

seriously i tore everything i had apart. i disassembled them all

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Re: No Agenda Podcast
By: Moondog to MRO on Fri Sep 30 2022 01:12 pm

> > big t i had a whole room full of 286's 386's and older junk. like you
> > couldn't see
>
>
> I agree Compaq was using torx screws to keep the idiots using butter knives
> as screwdrivers from touching something they shouldn't.
>
> Regarding the Compaqs with no torx screws, were they business class or home/

i believe they could be around the power supply but i didnt see them anywhere else.

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