My computer is not likely going to handle Windows 11. Ryzen 7 1700, but I am thinking I
might just get a mac mini 16gb ram with 512gb storage and go from there.
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Re: Windows 11
By: MATTHEW MUNSON to All on Sun Oct 17 2021 07:17 pm

> My computer is not likely going to handle Windows 11. Ryzen 7 1700, but I am
> thinking I
> might just get a mac mini 16gb ram with 512gb storage and go from there.

My policy is not to upgrade my hardware just because some shinny software
appeared over the horizon. Specially if I don't need the new software. Most
often I can't justify the expense.

I mean I am running on junk hardware from 2007 and I am more productive than a
lot of people running the newest cool thing on the newest cool hardware.

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Re: Windows 11
By: Arelor to MATTHEW MUNSON on Wed Oct 20 2021 07:13 am

Ar> My policy is not to upgrade my hardware just because some shinny software
Ar> appeared over the horizon. Specially if I don't need the new software.
Ar> Most often I can't justify the expense.

I heard Windows 10 will still be supported until 2025. So there's still some time.

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Re: Windows 11
By: Nightfox to Arelor on Wed Oct 20 2021 10:03 am

> Re: Windows 11
> By: Arelor to MATTHEW MUNSON on Wed Oct 20 2021 07:13 am
>
> Ar> My policy is not to upgrade my hardware just because some shinny software appeared over the
> Ar> horizon. Specially if I don't need the new software. Most often I can't justify the expense
>
> I heard Windows 10 will still be supported until 2025. So there's still some time.
>
> Nightfox
>

I couldn't care less. OpenBSD 7.0 got released recently and that is what I am upgrading stuff too.
Yay!

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Re: Windows 11
By: MATTHEW MUNSON to All on Sun Oct 17 2021 07:17 pm

> My computer is not likely going to handle Windows 11. Ryzen 7 1700, but I am
> might just get a mac mini 16gb ram with 512gb storage and go from there.

No better time to ditch Windows than during a new version release. You'll
never miss it unless you're a pc gamer

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Re: Windows 11
By: Moondog to MATTHEW MUNSON on Wed Oct 20 2021 07:27 pm

> Re: Windows 11
> By: MATTHEW MUNSON to All on Sun Oct 17 2021 07:17 pm
>
> > My computer is not likely going to handle Windows 11. Ryzen 7 1700, but I
> > am might just get a mac mini 16gb ram with 512gb storage and go from
> > there.
>
> No better time to ditch Windows than during a new version release. You'll
> never miss it unless you're a pc gamer

well we have 25 years. pretty sure windows 11 wont be around by then. for whatever their reasons for blacklisting some processors, there's a chance they will create a work around.

i prefer windows 10 but i always have a linux console open.
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Ar> @MSGID: <617007F2.1681.dove-hwswhelp@palantirbbs.ddns.net>
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Ar> Re: Windows 11
Ar> By: MATTHEW MUNSON to All on
Ar> Sun Oct 17 2021 07:17 pm

> My computer is not likely going to handle Windows 11. Ryzen 7 1700, but I am
> thinking I
> might just get a mac mini 16gb ram with 512gb storage and go from there.

Ar> My policy is not to upgrade my hardware just because some shinny
Ar> software appeared over the horizon. Specially if I don't need the new
Ar> software. Most often I can't justify the expense.

Ar> I mean I am running on junk hardware from 2007 and I am more productive
Ar> than a lot of people running the newest cool thing on the newest cool
Ar> hardware.

My desktop machine, which is the most powerful I have, is from 2009. And yes,
I am more productive than most others. New computers are overrated. It is
your software choice and how you use it more than the hardware which matters.

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Re: Windows 11
By: MRO to Moondog on Thu Oct 21 2021 04:17 am

>> No better time to ditch Windows than during a new version release.
>> You'll never miss it unless you're a pc gamer

MR> well we have 25 years. pretty sure windows 11 wont be around by then. for

25 years? What's happening in 2046?

Nightfox

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Re: Windows 11
By: Nightfox to MRO on Thu Oct 21 2021 09:37 am

> MR> well we have 25 years. pretty sure windows 11 wont be around by then.
> MR> for
>
> 25 years? What's happening in 2046?

eol
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Re: Windows 11
By: MRO to Moondog on Thu Oct 21 2021 04:17 am

>> No better time to ditch Windows than during a new version release.
>> You'll never miss it unless you're a pc gamer

MR> well we have 25 years. pretty sure windows 11 wont be around by then. for
MR> whatever their reasons for blacklisting some processors, there's a chance
MR> they will create a work around.

I've been running Windows 11 for quite awhile now, as I'm on the "Fast Track" for Windows Insider. Technicaly the CPU I use is not supported (Intel I7-6700K), but I guess they removed the "blacklisting" stuff for the Insider builds.

It's been running fine. I barely notice any difference, other than right-click menus being drastically simplified (grr). I was able to move the taskbar back to a more standard windows layout, with the start button on the left.

The fucking start menu though. ooh boy. I hate it. I hate it more than I hated the fuckup that was Windows 8.

If I'm forced to roll back at some point, I probably will, and I'll stick with windows 10. I did upgrade my RAM to 64GB a few weeks ago, and popped in a new video card (since I was able to get one at a halfway decent price).

If I have to upgrade the CPU/Motherboard, I'll probably go AMD. Which means I'll have to buy new RAM, too, but the old stuff is easy enough to sell on ebay for a decent price.

The 512GB m.2 drive, and my two 1TB m.2 drives can just just stay where they are.

MR> i prefer windows 10 but i always have a linux console open.

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Re: Windows 11
By: DaiTengu to MRO on Thu Oct 21 2021 07:19 pm

>
> The fucking start menu though. ooh boy. I hate it. I hate it more than I
> hated the fuckup that was Windows 8.
>

see if you can use that start menu replacement. i cant remember the name but it's on nnite.
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Re: Windows 11
By: DaiTengu to MRO on Thu Oct 21 2021 07:19 pm

Da> It's been running fine. I barely notice any difference, other than
Da> right-click menus being drastically simplified (grr). I was able to move

One of the items on this page explains how to get the full context menus back in Windows 11:
https://cnet.co/3DVyuv0

Full URL:
https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/youve-just-installed-windows-11 -heres-how-to-make-it-more-like-windows-10/

Nightfox

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Ar> I couldn't care less. OpenBSD 7.0 got released recently and that is
Ar> what I am upgrading stuff too. Yay!

Dang, I knew I forgot something when I was in the office yesterday!

We have 2 300/300 circuits in an empty office, when I go into the office I
make a point of saturating it. I've been uploading all of my media to
OneDrive and downloading ISOs.

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Re: Windows 11
By: Nightfox to DaiTengu on Thu Oct 21 2021 08:15 pm

Da>> It's been running fine. I barely notice any difference, other than
Da>> right-click menus being drastically simplified (grr). I was able to
Da>> move

Ni> One of the items on this page explains how to get the full context menus
Ni> back in Windows 11: https://cnet.co/3DVyuv0

Ni> Full URL:
Ni> https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/youve-just-installed-windo
Ni> ws-11 -heres-how-to-make-it-more-like-windows-10/

Apparently I had an old, but still valid Stardock license. Start11 (which is still in beta) replaces the start menu with a Win10, Win7, or even a "Modern" style which is more like WinXP's layout but with a look that matches your desktop.

I went back to the Win10 layout because I oddly miss my tiles in my start menu. But now I need to try and rearrange them all in groups like I had them.

For the record, Stardock's licensing is trash. and I'm only using this because i foolishly gave them money a long time ago. I'll use it until I can't, then I'll figure something else out.

I'd love to switch over to pure Linux, but I have too many programs and games that rely on Windows. Hell my Windows 11 install has multiple Linux distros installed via W4L already that I use, and I have a half dozen other machines in myself that run Linux or *BSD.

DaiTengu

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Re: Windows 11
By: DaiTengu to Nightfox on Sun Oct 24 2021 10:35 am

> matches your desktop.
>
> I went back to the Win10 layout because I oddly miss my tiles in my start
> menu. But now I need to try and rearrange them all in groups like I had
> them.
>
>
> For the record, Stardock's licensing is trash. and I'm only using this
> because i foolishly gave them money a long time ago. I'll use it until I
> can't, then I'll figure something else out.
>

does classic start work out fine for you? it's on nnite.
what i remember about windowblinds is it takes up a lot of resources and craps out a lot.
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Re: Windows 11
By: DaiTengu to Nightfox on Sun Oct 24 2021 10:35 am

Da> Apparently I had an old, but still valid Stardock license. Start11 (which
Da> is still in beta) replaces the start menu with a Win10, Win7, or even a
Da> "Modern" style which is more like WinXP's layout but with a look that
Da> matches your desktop.

I have a Stardock Object Desktop license. I've used their Start10, but I've been using Classic Shell, which is free (though I think they take donations). I'm not sure if Classic Shell has been updated to support Windows 11 properly.. I'm using it in Windows 11, but I have both the Classic Shell button and the Windows 11 Start Menu button. I should check to see if Classic Shell has been updated.

Da> For the record, Stardock's licensing is trash. and I'm only using this
Da> because i foolishly gave them money a long time ago. I'll use it until I
Da> can't, then I'll figure something else out.

Weird.. I haven't had that issue. Stardock does a yearly license though, and one thing I don't like is paying a recurring license fee. But you can continue to use it after your license expires, but without getting any updates.

Da> I'd love to switch over to pure Linux, but I have too many programs and
Da> games that rely on Windows. Hell my Windows 11 install has multiple Linux
Da> distros installed via W4L already that I use, and I have a half dozen
Da> other machines in myself that run Linux or *BSD.

What do you mean by "pure Linux"?

Nightfox

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Re: Windows 11
By: MRO to DaiTengu on Sun Oct 24 2021 01:33 pm

>> For the record, Stardock's licensing is trash. and I'm only using this
>> because i foolishly gave them money a long time ago. I'll use it
>> until I can't, then I'll figure something else out.

MR> does classic start work out fine for you? it's on nnite.
MR> what i remember about windowblinds is it takes up a lot of resources and
MR> craps out a lot. ---

I haven't given it a shot. Start11 is doing it for me right now (Which is the Stardock App) It's not eating too much in the way of resources, but I've got plenty of RAM to feed it right now (64GB).

I tried to find "Classic Start" as a standalone (Not part of NiNite), and can only come up with "Classic Shell". the Classic Shell website appears to be unresponsive for me right now.

DaiTengu

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Re: Windows 11
By: Nightfox to DaiTengu on Sun Oct 24 2021 07:28 pm

Da>> I'd love to switch over to pure Linux, but I have too many programs
Da>> and games that rely on Windows. Hell my Windows 11 install has
Da>> multiple Linux distros installed via W4L already that I use, and I
Da>> have a half dozen other machines in myself that run Linux or *BSD.

Ni> What do you mean by "pure Linux"?

I have 6 computers here at home. 2 run Windows, 5 run various flavors of Linux, and one runs FreeBSD (pfSense), but I don't really count that as a PC I use, since it's really just functions as a router.

That doesn't include the 4 Raspberry Pis, that all run some derivative of Debian/Ubuntu, either. Nor my wife's desktop and laptop (which both run Windows)

If I moved my two Windows PCs to Linux, I'd consider that "pure linux". Really it's just a phrase I picked up from talking to various other Sysadmin/DevOps/SREs, who say they work in a "pure linux shop"

DaiTengu

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Re: Windows 11
By: DaiTengu to Nightfox on Fri Oct 29 2021 10:07 am

Da>>> I'd love to switch over to pure Linux, but I have too many programs

Ni>> What do you mean by "pure Linux"?

Da> I have 6 computers here at home. 2 run Windows, 5 run various flavors of
Da> Linux, and one runs FreeBSD (pfSense), but I don't really count that as a
Da> PC I use, since it's really just functions as a router.

Da> If I moved my two Windows PCs to Linux, I'd consider that "pure linux".
Da> Really it's just a phrase I picked up from talking to various other
Da> Sysadmin/DevOps/SREs, who say they work in a "pure linux shop"

Ah, I see. All Linux computers.. I was wondering if you meant Linux itself without any GNU tools etc.. :P

Nightfox

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Re: Windows 11
By: DaiTengu to MRO on Fri Oct 29 2021 09:58 am

>
> I tried to find "Classic Start" as a standalone (Not part of NiNite), and
> can only come up with "Classic Shell". the Classic Shell website appears to
> be unresponsive for me right now.
>
> DaiTengu

just use this https://ninite.com/classicstart/

their website is http://www.classicshell.net/
which works for me right now.

he stopped development but it still works.
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