As Vladimir Putin's war in Ukraine has gone sideways towards, what appears to be, inevitable defeat for the Russian forces, there's widespread speculation as to what the Russian Federation's actual endgame can be here. With Ukraine's forces recapturing vast swaths of territories, Russia struggling to marshal its manpower, and all evidence pointing to capitulation in Crimea, Donbas, and other occupied Ukrainian territories, it seems that this war will be resolved within a year.

What is Russia's possible endgame here?

Former Russian President and Putin-stooge Medvedev tipped his hand in a candid interview earlier this year when he shared two tidbits that struck me deeply.

1. He said that "a world without Russia is not a world worth having."

2. He also remarked that "we don't need any other countries. Russia is the only state that matters."

It leads me to believe that, regardless what NATO and the U.S. warn would be the consequences, Russia intends to use nuclear weapons extensively as a part of its effort to re-assert its presence on the world stage and, in its view, bring this war to a successful conclusion. But I don't think that nukes, even if launchced and dropped upon Ukrainian cities, would prevent the Ukrainian people from successfully kicking out the Russians.

What do you think the endgame for this barbaric and savage war is going to be?
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Re: Russia's Endgame
By: Kaelon to All on Tue Sep 27 2022 05:46 am

Ka> 1. He said that "a world without Russia is not a world worth having."

Ka> 2. He also remarked that "we don't need any other countries. Russia is the
Ka> only state that matters."

Ka> It leads me to believe that, regardless what NATO and the U.S. warn would
Ka> be the consequences, Russia intends to use nuclear weapons extensively as
Ka> a part of its effort to re-assert its presence on the world stage and, in

Ka> What do you think the endgame for this barbaric and savage war is going to
Ka> be?

I've wondered about that a bit, and I don't really know. If the news here is accurate, Russia has had to start organizing its resources because they're losing this war. I recently heard in the news that Russia has threatened to possibly use nuclear arms. I'm seriously wondering if Russia/Putin is hell-bent on winning this or seeking some kind of recognition or attention, and if this could escalate to a World War 3..

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Re: Russia's Endgame
By: Nightfox to Kaelon on Tue Sep 27 2022 08:43 am

> Re: Russia's Endgame
> By: Kaelon to All on Tue Sep 27 2022 05:46 am
>
> Ka> 1. He said that "a world without Russia is not a world worth having."
>
> Ka> 2. He also remarked that "we don't need any other countries. Russia is the
> Ka> only state that matters."
>
> Ka> It leads me to believe that, regardless what NATO and the U.S. warn would
> Ka> be the consequences, Russia intends to use nuclear weapons extensively as
> Ka> a part of its effort to re-assert its presence on the world stage and, in
>
> Ka> What do you think the endgame for this barbaric and savage war is going to
> Ka> be?
>
> I've wondered about that a bit, and I don't really know. If the news here is accur
> . I'm seriously wondering if Russia/Putin is hell-bent on winning this or seeking
>
> Nightfox
>
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If Putin does not get at leas a symbolic win to offer his allies, they are gonna
murder him in the ladies restroom. That was well understood from the start so you can
bet Russia will be as agressive as need be because Putin is aware of the consequences
of not achieving his goals.

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Re: Russia's Endgame
By: Kaelon to All on Tue Sep 27 2022 05:46 am

> As Vladimir Putin's war in Ukraine has gone sideways towards, what appears t
> ast swaths of territories, Russia struggling to marshal its manpower, and al
>
> What is Russia's possible endgame here?
>
> Former Russian President and Putin-stooge Medvedev tipped his hand in a cand
>
> 1. He said that "a world without Russia is not a world worth having."
>
> 2. He also remarked that "we don't need any other countries. Russia is the o
>
> It leads me to believe that, regardless what NATO and the U.S. warn would be
> ccessful conclusion. But I don't think that nukes, even if launchced and dr
>
> What do you think the endgame for this barbaric and savage war is going to b
> _____
> -=: Kaelon :=-
>

Putin is insane. He's sending troops to fight with gear dating back to WWII,
some are learning the supply chain is a shambles and are forced to buy their
own blankets and under clothing. I bet it won't take long before it looks lik
e scenes from Enemy at the Gates where soldiers who retreat will be met with
machine gun fire.

From a logistics point of view, they're cleaning out warehouses of stuff that
was meant for major mobilization back in the 60's and 70's. Older tanks and
artillery that has been in mothballs or boneyards are being loaded on trains
and sent to the front lines. They're even moving SAM coverage from St
Petersburg to be used for long range rockets and take back air superiority.

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Re: Russia's Endgame
By: Arelor to Nightfox on Tue Sep 27 2022 12:31 pm

> Re: Russia's Endgame
> By: Nightfox to Kaelon on Tue Sep 27 2022 08:43 am
>
> > Re: Russia's Endgame
> > By: Kaelon to All on Tue Sep 27 2022 05:46 am
> >
> > Ka> 1. He said that "a world without Russia is not a world worth having.
> >
> > Ka> 2. He also remarked that "we don't need any other countries. Russia
> > Ka> only state that matters."
> >
> > Ka> It leads me to believe that, regardless what NATO and the U.S. warn
> > Ka> be the consequences, Russia intends to use nuclear weapons extensive
> > Ka> a part of its effort to re-assert its presence on the world stage an
> >
> > Ka> What do you think the endgame for this barbaric and savage war is go
> > Ka> be?
> >
> > I've wondered about that a bit, and I don't really know. If the news her
> > . I'm seriously wondering if Russia/Putin is hell-bent on winning this o
> >
> > Nightfox
> >
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>
> If Putin does not get at leas a symbolic win to offer his allies, they are g
> murder him in the ladies restroom. That was well understood from the start s
> bet Russia will be as agressive as need be because Putin is aware of the con
> of not achieving his goals.
>
> --
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>

Sad part is even if Putin is removed from his seat, whoever moves in isn't
going to be more friendly to the West, or is going to be cast from the same
material as Putin. I can imagine Putin is the type who surrounds himself
with people he is not afraid of taking his place. Anyone who has that
ambition is in a lumber camp in Siberia or on the bottom of a cold lake that
doesn't give up it's dead.

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Re: Russia's Endgame
By: Moondog to Arelor on Tue Sep 27 2022 04:02 pm

> Sad part is even if Putin is removed from his seat, whoever moves in isn't
> going to be more friendly to the West, or is going to be cast from the same
> material as Putin. I can imagine Putin is the type who surrounds himself
> with people he is not afraid of taking his place. Anyone who has that
> ambition is in a lumber camp in Siberia or on the bottom of a cold lake that
> doesn't give up it's dead.

putin is very prideful and he has to have some type of win out of this or we are all going to pay. he's literally a murderer, too. i wouldn't fuck with that guy.

they should have trump negociate with him.
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Re: Russia's Endgame
By: MRO to Moondog on Tue Sep 27 2022 10:26 pm

> Re: Russia's Endgame
> By: Moondog to Arelor on Tue Sep 27 2022 04:02 pm
>
> > Sad part is even if Putin is removed from his seat, whoever moves in isn'
> > going to be more friendly to the West, or is going to be cast from the sa
> > material as Putin. I can imagine Putin is the type who surrounds himself
> > with people he is not afraid of taking his place. Anyone who has that
> > ambition is in a lumber camp in Siberia or on the bottom of a cold lake t
> > doesn't give up it's dead.
>
> putin is very prideful and he has to have some type of win out of this or we
>
> they should have trump negociate with him.

Putin drew first blood years ago by taking Crimea and the Donbas regions.
Ukraine will not negotiate until they return those regions back to Ukrainian
control. I can't see a way for Putin to save face, except for claiming he
did this all to clean out warehouses of Soviet era equipment.

I noticed the Russian people protest the war and mobilization, but do not
openly blame Putin's decision making. Part of that may be propaganda,
otherwise it is being clever and avoiding being put on a political trouble
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> own blankets and under clothing. I bet it won't take long before it looks lik
> e scenes from Enemy at the Gates where soldiers who retreat will be met with
> machine gun fire.

Russia has done this before, during WWII. Especially early in the war.
Stalin did not play games, and Putin has said recently that he didn't think
Stalin went far enough.

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Re: Russia's Endgame
By: Dumas Walker to MOONDOG on Wed Sep 28 2022 04:49 pm

> > own blankets and under clothing. I bet it won't take long before it looks
> > e scenes from Enemy at the Gates where soldiers who retreat will be met wi
> > machine gun fire.
>
> Russia has done this before, during WWII. Especially early in the war.
> Stalin did not play games, and Putin has said recently that he didn't think
> Stalin went far enough.
>
>
> * SLMR 2.1a * "Never repeat codes," said the telegrapher remorselessly.
>

Putin has announced a "no retreat" order. These reserve troops may be pushed
into the meat grinder the same way.

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-=> Kaelon wrote to All <=-

Ka> As Vladimir Putin's war in Ukraine has gone sideways towards, what
Ka> appears to be, inevitable defeat for the Russian forces, there's
Ka> widespread speculation as to what the Russian Federation's actual
Ka> endgame can be here. With Ukraine's forces recapturing vast swaths of
Ka> territories, Russia struggling to marshal its manpower, and all
Ka> evidence pointing to capitulation in Crimea, Donbas, and other occupied
Ka> Ukrainian territories, it seems that this war will be resolved within a
Ka> year.

Ka> What is Russia's possible endgame here?

Ka> Former Russian President and Putin-stooge Medvedev tipped his hand in a
Ka> candid interview earlier this year when he shared two tidbits that
Ka> struck me deeply.

Ka> 1. He said that "a world without Russia is not a world worth having."

Ka> 2. He also remarked that "we don't need any other countries. Russia is
Ka> the only state that matters."

Ka> It leads me to believe that, regardless what NATO and the U.S. warn
Ka> would be the consequences, Russia intends to use nuclear weapons
Ka> extensively as a part of its effort to re-assert its presence on the
Ka> world stage and, in its view, bring this war to a successful
Ka> conclusion. But I don't think that nukes, even if launchced and
Ka> dropped upon Ukrainian cities, would prevent the Ukrainian people from
Ka> successfully kicking out the Russians.

Ka> What do you think the endgame for this barbaric and savage war is going
Ka> to be? _____

I'm not sure, but I'm highly skeptical of the Western narrative. According to
Western press, Russia has been losing this war since the beginning, and with
the annexation of four territories having occured, it seems hard to believe
this analysis is accurate. Western leaders are just going to pretend it didn't
happen, but that is what we do in the West now. Play make believe and
excoriate anyone who doesn't go along. Americans like to declare victory when
they haven't actually won. Americans think that SAYING A makes A a reality.
It's really odd.

I think people are disregarding the fact that "our" side is also heavily
propagandizing its people, so our view would also be highly warped. Given the
repeated failure of the West to analyse and solve problems, I'm in general
quite doubtful that the situation, as it actually is, is how it is percieved to
be. That is to say, Russia could achieve some limited goals, despite what our
media are saying.

I don't entirely disagree with Medvedev's first point either. The USA has
become a rather pathological world power. It is interesting to hear Putin
mention (again), poisonous Western ideologies which undermine tradition and
nations. Having seen the spread of American Ideology into Australia, it is
really hard to disagree. Having strong powers which can provide an counter
narrative, a push back I think is important.

The "nukes" is hysteria though. Utter hysteria. I remember reading articles
about how when Trump would win the world would collapse and nukes would go off
over cities. Quite literally they were saying that. The amount of utter BS
our leaders and media give us should make us feel total shame and
embarrassment, if we had self-awareness of how we look to others, which we
don't.

So I'm not too concerned. Russia will annex these lands as it did the Crimea,
the West will pretend they the world is just *us* and that there really isn't
any fundamental change to the world and we'll continue living in our fantasy
land.
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> I'm not sure, but I'm highly skeptical of the Western narrative. According to
> Western press, Russia has been losing this war since the beginning, and with
> the annexation of four territories having occured, it seems hard to believe
> this analysis is accurate. Western leaders are just going to pretend it didn'
> happen, but that is what we do in the West now. Play make believe and
> excoriate anyone who doesn't go along. Americans like to declare victory when
> they haven't actually won. Americans think that SAYING A makes A a reality.
> It's really odd.

As someone who lives in America, the news I have been hearing has not been
that Russia was losing since the beginning. Matter of fact, the news
earlier on was very bleak for Ukraine. It does not seem that the Russia is
losing narrative started up in earnest until after we gave Ukraine a bunch
of money.

Maybe we are watching different news sources. I cannot say that there are
not any that have been on the "Russia is losing" bandwagon since the
beginning, but I didn't see any.

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-=> Dumas Walker wrote to BORAXMAN <=-

> I'm not sure, but I'm highly skeptical of the Western narrative. According
to

> Western press, Russia has been losing this war since the beginning, and with
> the annexation of four territories having occured, it seems hard to believe
> this analysis is accurate. Western leaders are just going to pretend it
didn'

> happen, but that is what we do in the West now. Play make believe and
> excoriate anyone who doesn't go along. Americans like to declare victory
when

> they haven't actually won. Americans think that SAYING A makes A a reality.
> It's really odd.

DW> As someone who lives in America, the news I have been hearing has not
DW> been that Russia was losing since the beginning. Matter of fact, the
DW> news earlier on was very bleak for Ukraine. It does not seem that the
DW> Russia is losing narrative started up in earnest until after we gave
DW> Ukraine a bunch of money.

DW> Maybe we are watching different news sources. I cannot say that there
DW> are not any that have been on the "Russia is losing" bandwagon since
DW> the beginning, but I didn't see any.

Perhaps you're using different news sources. In Australia, the nightly news
says almost nothing about the conflict. The main internet news sites here are
mostly putting out stories about how Russia is in trouble, Putin is about to
die, Ukraine is winning. They've been doing this for months now.

Maybe the U.S. news is more realistic? That would be a pleasant surprise.
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Re: Re: Russia's Endgame
By: Boraxman to Dumas Walker on Mon Oct 03 2022 10:39 pm

> -=> Dumas Walker wrote to BORAXMAN <=-
>
> > I'm not sure, but I'm highly skeptical of the Western narrative. Accordi
> to
>
> > Western press, Russia has been losing this war since the beginning, and w
> > the annexation of four territories having occured, it seems hard to belie
> > this analysis is accurate. Western leaders are just going to pretend it
> didn'
>
> > happen, but that is what we do in the West now. Play make believe and
> > excoriate anyone who doesn't go along. Americans like to declare victory
> when
>
> > they haven't actually won. Americans think that SAYING A makes A a reali
> > It's really odd.
>
> DW> As someone who lives in America, the news I have been hearing has not
> DW> been that Russia was losing since the beginning. Matter of fact, the
> DW> news earlier on was very bleak for Ukraine. It does not seem that the
> DW> Russia is losing narrative started up in earnest until after we gave
> DW> Ukraine a bunch of money.
>
> DW> Maybe we are watching different news sources. I cannot say that there
> DW> are not any that have been on the "Russia is losing" bandwagon since
> DW> the beginning, but I didn't see any.
>
> Perhaps you're using different news sources. In Australia, the nightly news
> says almost nothing about the conflict. The main internet news sites here a
> mostly putting out stories about how Russia is in trouble, Putin is about to
> die, Ukraine is winning. They've been doing this for months now.
>
> Maybe the U.S. news is more realistic? That would be a pleasant surprise.
>

FRom what I've seen, the coverage of Ukreaine has gone down. The news loves
stories about Putin and his crazy antics. My guess is the US press doesn't
have the same level of access they do with US military forces. Iknow some
reports are intentionally delayed and tactical commentary is discouraged in
order to keep the Russians guessing about the Ukraine's next move.

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> DW> As someone who lives in America, the news I have been hearing has not
> DW> been that Russia was losing since the beginning. Matter of fact, the
> DW> news earlier on was very bleak for Ukraine. It does not seem that the
> DW> Russia is losing narrative started up in earnest until after we gave
> DW> Ukraine a bunch of money.

> Perhaps you're using different news sources. In Australia, the nightly news
> says almost nothing about the conflict. The main internet news sites here are
> mostly putting out stories about how Russia is in trouble, Putin is about to
> die, Ukraine is winning. They've been doing this for months now.
>
> Maybe the U.S. news is more realistic? That would be a pleasant surprise.

I will admit they've gotten where they don't say near as much as they used
to about the conflict, that is for sure. It got pushed out of the top spot
in the news cycle when the FBI raided Donald Trump. Other things...
hurricanes, etc... have managed to, in turn, push that out of the top spot.

What we were hearing, and what we've been hearing lately, does sound
realistic. Ukraine has gained some ground but Putin is rounding up the
reserves and others with military service and throwing them at the problem,
Putin has threatened using nukes, and some in his "circle of advisors" have
suggested using low-grade ones.

One other thing that has been in the news lately, and has been fighting for
the top spot, is the referrendums that were held in the sections of the
country that have long been Russian held that resulted in Russia annexing
them outright.

I don't think we've really been getting any serious either side "is winning
big" stories in a while.

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Re: Re: Russia's Endgame
By: Dumas Walker to BORAXMAN on Tue Oct 04 2022 05:28 pm

> What we were hearing, and what we've been hearing lately, does sound
> realistic. Ukraine has gained some ground but Putin is rounding up the
> reserves and others with military service and throwing them at the problem,
> Putin has threatened using nukes, and some in his "circle of advisors" have
> suggested using low-grade ones.
>
> One other thing that has been in the news lately, and has been fighting for
> the top spot, is the referrendums that were held in the sections of the
> country that have long been Russian held that resulted in Russia annexing
> them outright.
>

putin doesnt want to lose. that makes him dangerous.
also he's in league with china.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-09-14/yuan-s-clout-gets-a-boost-from-russia-trade-as-sanctions-bite

https://preview.tinyurl.com/2qk8myej
you can't read much of that but you can read enough to see

and through all of this, china has been the most level headed country.

btw, what country borrows money from china to give resources to china? with interest? USA
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Hello Moondog!

** On Tuesday 04.10.22 - 14:49, Moondog wrote to Boraxman:

M> FRom what I've seen, the coverage of Ukreaine has gone
M> down. [...]

There are plenty of headlines posted in the UKRNEWS (Fidonet)
echo.

Sources are primarily:

https://censor.net/en/news/
https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/
https://www.kyivpost.com/

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Re: Russia's Endgame
By: Ogg to Moondog on Tue Oct 04 2022 09:09 pm

> Hello Moondog!
>
> ** On Tuesday 04.10.22 - 14:49, Moondog wrote to Boraxman:
>
> M> FRom what I've seen, the coverage of Ukreaine has gone
> M> down. [...]
>
> There are plenty of headlines posted in the UKRNEWS (Fidonet)
> echo.

why use fidonet when you can get the news on the internet
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> putin doesnt want to lose. that makes him dangerous.

Indeed. Hitler did not want to lose, and became very dangerous (to his own
people) once he realized he likely would.

> also he's in league with china.

Yes

> and through all of this, china has been the most level headed country.

> btw, what country borrows money from china to give resources to china? with in
> rest? USA

Anyone who thinks that Biden released oil from the strategic reserves for
us has not been paying attention.

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Re: Re: Russia's Endgame
By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Wed Oct 05 2022 04:15 pm

> > putin doesnt want to lose. that makes him dangerous.
>
> Indeed. Hitler did not want to lose, and became very dangerous (to his own
> people) once he realized he likely would.
>

putin got back the russian spirit. he brought them back from being losers.
he'd rather die than lose

> Anyone who thinks that Biden released oil from the strategic reserves for
> us has not been paying attention.

yeah people are so stupid.
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Hello MRO!

** On Wednesday 05.10.22 - 15:57, MRO wrote to Ogg:

>> There are plenty of headlines posted in the UKRNEWS
>> (Fidonet) echo.

M> why use fidonet when you can get the news on the internet

..'cuz in fidonet they are efficient headlines and pure text.
i can see about 20 of those on one screen and open the message
with the link only if i'm interested.

Eg. https://susepaste.org/27402896

Reading them one by one at the aforementioned news sources
would be a lumbering process.

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Re: Russia's Endgame
By: Ogg to MRO on Wed Oct 05 2022 09:47 pm

> ** On Wednesday 05.10.22 - 15:57, MRO wrote to Ogg:
>
> >> There are plenty of headlines posted in the UKRNEWS
> >> (Fidonet) echo.
>
> M> why use fidonet when you can get the news on the internet
>
> ..'cuz in fidonet they are efficient headlines and pure text.
> i can see about 20 of those on one screen and open the message
> with the link only if i'm interested.
>
> Eg. https://susepaste.org/27402896
>
> Reading them one by one at the aforementioned news sources
> would be a lumbering process.

i'm sure there's something like fark but for regular news.
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Re: Re: Russia's Endgame
By: Dumas Walker to BORAXMAN on Sat Oct 01 2022 09:53 am

> > I'm not sure, but I'm highly skeptical of the Western narrative.
> > According to
> > Western press, Russia has been losing this war since the beginning, and
> > with the annexation of four territories having occured, it seems hard to
> > believe this analysis is accurate. Western leaders are just going to
> > pretend it didn'
> > happen, but that is what we do in the West now. Play make believe and
> > excoriate anyone who doesn't go along. Americans like to declare victory
> > when
> > they haven't actually won. Americans think that SAYING A makes A a
> > reality. It's really odd.

Same here. The MSM keep telling us how weak and non-threatening Russia is
however the reality is the opposite. They had only deployed a small fraction of
their serving military into this "special operation" in Ukraine. We are
beginning to see a much larger mobilisation now with their recent draft of
300,000 troops. They have also been exhausting their old stock of tanks and
weaponary to soften up the Ukrainians with the more advanced stuff becoming
known to us soon. I am taking the threat of Russia quite seriously considering
the West is financially on the precipice and about to collapse under its own
weight... just look at what happened in the UK last Monday where there was
almost a financial and economic meltdown.

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> > Indeed. Hitler did not want to lose, and became very dangerous (to his own
> > people) once he realized he likely would.
> >

> putin got back the russian spirit. he brought them back from being losers.
> he'd rather die than lose

A lot of Russian citizens who post on social media don't seem too happy
with him. The other day, someone shot and killed one of the conscription
officers. Others have been posting videos of the poor living conditions at
the conscription dorms.

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Re: Re: Russia's Endgame
By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Thu Oct 06 2022 04:39 pm

> > > Indeed. Hitler did not want to lose, and became very dangerous (to his
> > > own
> > > people) once he realized he likely would.
>
>
> > putin got back the russian spirit. he brought them back from being losers.
> > he'd rather die than lose
>
> A lot of Russian citizens who post on social media don't seem too happy
> with him. The other day, someone shot and killed one of the conscription

they're brainwashed just like we are by the media and other influences.
i dont think anybody would like being forced to serve.

> officers. Others have been posting videos of the poor living conditions at
> the conscription dorms.
>

i've watched a lot of russian pornos and gathering from what i've seen in the background, they've always had less than desireable living conditions compared to us. especially that shitty wallpaper most of them have.

just did a google search for russian constription dorms
https://i.imgur.com/kaOm64T.png

see what i mean.

looks like some of them are loft style. so you get brick instead of shitty wallpaper.
https://www.russianews.net/news/269296092/russian-army-opens-its-first-ever-loft-style-barracks

i'm sure it's not great. but what else can you expect. they are at war.
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Re: Re: Russia's Endgame
By: Andeddu to Dumas Walker on Thu Oct 06 2022 05:24 pm

> Re: Re: Russia's Endgame
> By: Dumas Walker to BORAXMAN on Sat Oct 01 2022 09:53 am
>
> > > I'm not sure, but I'm highly skeptical of the Western narrative.
> > > According to
> > > Western press, Russia has been losing this war since the beginning, and
> > > with the annexation of four territories having occured, it seems hard t
> > > believe this analysis is accurate. Western leaders are just going to
> > > pretend it didn'
> > > happen, but that is what we do in the West now. Play make believe and
> > > excoriate anyone who doesn't go along. Americans like to declare victo
> > > when
> > > they haven't actually won. Americans think that SAYING A makes A a
> > > reality. It's really odd.
>
> Same here. The MSM keep telling us how weak and non-threatening Russia is
> however the reality is the opposite. They had only deployed a small fraction
> their serving military into this "special operation" in Ukraine. We are
> beginning to see a much larger mobilisation now with their recent draft of
> 300,000 troops. They have also been exhausting their old stock of tanks and
> weaponary to soften up the Ukrainians with the more advanced stuff becoming
> known to us soon. I am taking the threat of Russia quite seriously consideri
> the West is financially on the precipice and about to collapse under its own
> weight... just look at what happened in the UK last Monday where there was
> almost a financial and economic meltdown.
>

During the conflict Russia has been losing an average of 500 trained troops a
day. In the approach to Kherson they lost another 2500 in a day or two.
Russia's downfall was a high level of corruption over time. The taking of Kie
v was thwarted by old dry-rotted Chinese military tires that were never replac
ed . New soldiers that have been mobilized are buying their own winter r
gear and camoflage because 1.5 million uniforms are missing. They were eithe
r sold off or the generals who were given funding pocketed the money.

The Russian's anti-rocket reactive armor has been removed and sold off
several years ago, and the soldiers who stole it were long gone. The
pictures of armor on the news are of T-62 tanks, which were considered
effective in the early 1960's. During the onset of war, Russian Su-34's and
37's were ineffective on bombing roles because pilots are trained to fire
precision munitions they hard in small quantities, and were forced to use
their mk I eyeballs to drop (and miss) older dumb bombs.

If Russia was as well equipped and trained as we used to think, Russia
would've taken the Ukraine in 2 or three months. The best upgrade the new
AK12 was the optics rail to facilitate modern optics, however troops were not
issued optics because of the theft concern. The newly mobilised troops are
probably getting AK-74's made in the 70's or even 60's era AK-47's.

I wouldn't be surprised if they issued every other troop a rifle, and assign
his battle buddy with just a magazine.

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