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* Re: Recession to DepressiDr. What
`- Re: Recession to DepressiKaelon

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To: Kaelon
Subject: Re: Recession to Depressi
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 by: Dr. What - Wed, 20 Jul 2022 01:07 UTC

-=> Kaelon wrote to Dr. What <=-

Ka> I wonder what can be done at this stage of Corporate Syndicate control
Ka> to unwind this affair? Is it re-education of young people re: the
Ka> socialist or nationalized / syndicate control schemes that exist today
Ka> and why they are actually bad? Is it the creation of a true Capitalist
Ka> system somewhere else that can show it works better? (Kind of like how
Ka> the American Colonies demonstrated a lighter hand of capitalism could
Ka> out-perform English Mercantilism?)

Both need to be done.

We need to get the gov't out of business. They should not regulate to the
extent that they do (why do I need to ask the gov't for permission to run a
business?, for example). They should not pick the winners and losers.

But if we don't have a populace that thinks that big gov't is a bad idea, then
they will keep electing the elitists who created the mess that we have today.

Ka> Or are we looking at something more revolutionary in store for our
Ka> societies across the globe?

And that's a good question. Not something that I can assess. With America
descending, that opens the possibilities that some other countries may take
over.

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Subject: Re: Recession to Depressi
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 by: Kaelon - Wed, 20 Jul 2022 13:28 UTC

Re: Re: Recession to Depressi
By: Dr. What to Kaelon on Wed Jul 20 2022 08:07 am

> Both need to be done.
>
> We need to get the gov't out of business. They should not regulate to the
> extent that they do (why do I need to ask the gov't for permission to run a
> business?, for example). They should not pick the winners and losers.

Completely agree. Also consider the limited areas where a national government should legitimately function - such as defense, infrastructure, conducting an equitable and non-entangling foreign policy - and we quickly see where our vast Federal Institutions have failed our people. I forget where I read this, but aren't something like a third of all bridges and roads in the United States on the verge of collapse? What a disgrace.

> But if we don't have a populace that thinks that big gov't is a bad idea,
> then they will keep electing the elitists who created the mess that we have
> today.

Libertarianism has a long way to go to educate people about the personal responsibility necessary to cultivate a truly civic-minded society. Considering just how polluted the U.S. Libertarian movement is with rampant speculators in Non-Fungible Tokens and Cryptocurrency, or the number of sell-outs co-opting Libertarian talking-points for very clearly Corporatist perspectives, we would be well-served to start with either a cleanse there or a new political party.

> Ka> Or are we looking at something more revolutionary in store for our
> Ka> societies across the globe?
>
> And that's a good question. Not something that I can assess. With America
> descending, that opens the possibilities that some other countries may take
> over.

You and I both. I don't have especially high hopes for any other Anglo-Saxon or Nordic Country, considering the entire Commonwealth has veered towards socialist principles and even the most promising candidate-countries - like Australia - are positively leftist and bloated in comparison to what I would expect of a true capitalist system.

That said, I fear that the United States' socioeconomic decline and impending political collapse will not, conversely, equate to a real geopolitical decline in our standing in the world. After all, the United States has the most enviable position on the planet - geographically capable of dominating both the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans, dictating the circumstances of global trade unlike any other country, and topographically capable of harvesting vast natural resources to achieve its organizational aims.

People often forget that the Roman Republic fell, but what succeeded it - the Roman Empire and the consequential authoritarian Principate - was far more successful in dominating the known world at the time and instituting its own global order (i.e., the Pax Romana). What our next global order will be, however, terrifies me, and I can only pray we will long be gone before we have to live through it (or under it).
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