On 14 Sep 2022, Pilotcab said the following...
Pi> Is there a "native" tcpip library for turbo pascal? I know i could use
Pi> lazarus and what-not to write the programs im thinking of, but if
Pi> they're going to be runnnig on period hardware..... why not code them
Pi> with period software :D

There are a few. Depends on what you mean by native. Packet drivers for several network cards of the era are available, as well the guy who made Trumpet Winsock back in the Windows 3 days also made a socket library you
could use. The documentation is pretty good if you know a little assembly.
People seem to like mTCP as well.

That said DOS in general never came with that functionality so you'd be expecting a very limited group to actually configure everything to use what
you wrote (and nobody on Windows without VirtualBox).

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Re: Re: Turbo Pascal/C TCPIP Library
By: fusion to Pilotcab on Wed Sep 14 2022 09:49:00

Pi>> Is there a "native" tcpip library for turbo pascal? I know i could use lazarus and what-not to write the programs im

fu> There are a few. Depends on what you mean by native. Packet drivers for several network cards of the era are available, as
fu> well the guy who made Trumpet Winsock back in the Windows 3 days also made a socket library you
fu> could use. The documentation is pretty good if you know a little assembly. People seem to like mTCP as well.

yea i was afraid of that. i wonder if there's any way to do it with the windows tcp stack. mTCP works great on a dos machine. and iguess i'm one of those nutjobs that like running dos on period hardware :D

fu> That said DOS in general never came with that functionality so you'd be expecting a very limited group to actually configure
fu> everything to use what you wrote (and nobody on Windows without VirtualBox).

i'm running synchro on a windows nt machine just cus i can :D I was wondering about writing "DOS" door. i've written a number of linux sided things, but want to cover both and i know absolutely zero java in any form :D

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Re: Re: Turbo Pascal/C TCPIP Library
By: Pilotcab to fusion on Wed Sep 14 2022 03:56 pm

> i'm running synchro on a windows nt machine just cus i can :D I was
> wondering about writing "DOS" door. i've written a number of linux sided
> things, but want to cover both and i know absolutely zero java in any form
> :D

DOS doors run on Synchronet are assumed to use either COM (UART or FOSSIL) communications are stdio are are supported automatically. A DOS door running under Synchronet does not need its own TCP/IP stack or any knowledge of TCP/IP, sockets, etc.
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Re: Re: Turbo Pascal/C TCPIP Library
By: Digital Man to Pilotcab on Thu Sep 15 2022 10:34 am

> > wondering about writing "DOS" door. i've written a number of linux sided
> > things, but want to cover both and i know absolutely zero java in any
> > form :D
>

also java is NOT javascript.
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Re: Re: Turbo Pascal/C TCPIP Library
By: Digital Man to Pilotcab on Thu Sep 15 2022 10:34:58

DM> DOS doors run on Synchronet are assumed to use either COM (UART or FOSSIL) communications are stdio are are supported
DM> automatically. A DOS door running under Synchronet does not need its own TCP/IP stack or any knowledge of TCP/IP, sockets,
DM> etc.

oh cool.. so i can just run stdio as far as talking to the user? as long as i dont do anything fancy text wise i should be good.

so that then begs the question (and yes i need to research more on this i know). i'm assuming the door file has the terminal type in it so that the program can tell if it's ansi capable or not?

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Re: Re: Turbo Pascal/C TCPIP Library
By: Charles Blackburn to Digital Man on Thu Sep 15 2022 03:40 pm

> Re: Re: Turbo Pascal/C TCPIP Library
> By: Digital Man to Pilotcab on Thu Sep 15 2022 10:34:58
>
> DM> DOS doors run on Synchronet are assumed to use either COM (UART or
> DM> FOSSIL) communications are stdio are are supported
> DM> automatically. A DOS door running under Synchronet does not need its
> DM> own TCP/IP stack or any knowledge of TCP/IP, sockets,
> DM> etc.
>
> oh cool.. so i can just run stdio as far as talking to the user?

You can, yes. But more advanced door (e.g. those that save state information to files), would be better written using COM I/O so that the door program can detect user disconnect and handle that gracefully (e.g. save state information to files). Most traditional door games, for example, are written using COM I/O.

> as long as
> i dont do anything fancy text wise i should be good.

Fancy text is not a problem, stdio, or otherwise.

> so that then begs the question (and yes i need to research more on this i
> know). i'm assuming the door file has the terminal type in it so that the
> program can tell if it's ansi capable or not?

Yes, the standard "drop files" contain that information. If you use a door development kit (and there are many of them), they handle these details for you (opening/reading the drop files, sending ANSI when appropriate, abstracting the reading and writing to the serial/COM port).
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Re: Re: Turbo Pascal/C TCPIP Library
By: MRO to pilotcab on Thu Sep 15 2022 17:19:11

> >> wondering about writing "DOS" door. i've written a number of linux sided things, but want to cover both and i know absolutely zero java in any form :D
MR> also java is NOT javascript.

semantics... as far as i am concerned, i can't code in either :D

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Re: Re: Turbo Pascal/C TCPIP Library
By: Digital Man to Charles Blackburn on Thu Sep 15 2022 17:45:45

DM> You can, yes. But more advanced door (e.g. those that save state information to files), would be better written using COM
DM> I/O so that the door program can detect user disconnect and handle that gracefully (e.g. save state information to files).
DM> Most traditional door games, for example, are written using COM I/O.

COM I/O would be opening uarts etc? how would that go with a telnet connection? I know in linux it's pretty much just a pipe but ??

got a ton to read lol

>> i dont do anything fancy text wise i should be good.
DM> Fancy text is not a problem, stdio, or otherwise.

oooh curses maybe ?

DM> Yes, the standard "drop files" contain that information. If you use a door development kit (and there are many of them),
DM> they handle these details for you (opening/reading the drop files, sending ANSI when appropriate, abstracting the reading
DM> and writing to the serial/COM port).
any particular one i should go get ?

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Re: Re: Turbo Pascal/C TCPIP Library
By: Charles Blackburn to Digital Man on Fri Sep 16 2022 06:42 am

> Re: Re: Turbo Pascal/C TCPIP Library
> By: Digital Man to Charles Blackburn on Thu Sep 15 2022 17:45:45
>
> DM> You can, yes. But more advanced door (e.g. those that save state
> DM> information to files), would be better written using COM
> DM> I/O so that the door program can detect user disconnect and handle that
> DM> gracefully (e.g. save state information to files).
> DM> Most traditional door games, for example, are written using COM I/O.
>
> COM I/O would be opening uarts etc? how would that go with a telnet
> connection?

Just fine so long as you're using Synchronet for Windows. It has a built-in virtual UART and FOSSIL driver on Windows, for just this purpose. And on Linux, sysops use DOSEMU for this purpose.

> I know in linux it's pretty much just a pipe but ??

Not for a 16-bit DOS program.

> got a ton to read lol
>
> >> i dont do anything fancy text wise i should be good.
> DM> Fancy text is not a problem, stdio, or otherwise.
>
> oooh curses maybe ?

Perhaps, but I don't think you'll find a curses implementation for TP.

> DM> Yes, the standard "drop files" contain that information. If you use a
> DM> door development kit (and there are many of them),
> DM> they handle these details for you (opening/reading the drop files,
> DM> sending ANSI when appropriate, abstracting the reading
> DM> and writing to the serial/COM port).
> any particular one i should go get ?

Try a bunch of them. OpenDoors is probably the best one for C/C++. For Pascal, I think there are a ton of options (door devkits), but 16-bit DOS or native (32-bit) is the first big fork in the road for you to decide.
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