On 17 Aug 2023, Ryan Fantus said the following...
RF> Any chance you can share how you got it working? And is it in Windows or
RF> linux?

It was in Linux, and I posted how to do this in the MYSTIC message base, but here's a TLDR;

Install gkermit from the usual repo, for ubuntu/debian `sudo apt install gkermit

Create a wrapper script called /mystic/kermit_batch.sh, the contents of which should be;

#!/usr/bin/env bash
FILELIST="$1"
FILES=$(cat $FILELIST|tr '\n' ' ')
if [[ "$(basename $FILELIST)" == "file.lst" ]]; then
for FILE in $FILES; do
echo "Sending file: $FILE"
/usr/bin/gkermit -d /tmp/kermit-send.log -Xis $FILE
done
else
echo "Sending file: $FILELIST"
/usr/bin/gkermit -d /tmp/kermit-send.log -Xis $FILELIST
fi
rm $FILELIST

Finally in the Mystic configuration ediror, goto "Editors -> Protocol Editor"
Create a new protocol called "Kermit" or whatever you want...

╔═════════════════════ Protocol Editor: Kermit ══════════════════════╗
║ ║
║ Active │ Yes ║
║ OS │ All ║
║ Batch │ Yes ║
║ Hot Key │ K ║
║ Description │ Kermit ║
║ Send Command │ /mystic/kermit_batch.sh %3 ║
║ Recv Command │ /usr/bin/gkermit -d /tmp/kermit-recv.log -Xir ║
║ ║
╚════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════╝

That's about the nuts and bolts of it.

Hope it helps =)

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CS> That's about the nuts and bolts of it.

Thanks for the writeup!

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On 17 Aug 2023, Ryan Fantus said the following...
RF> Thanks for the writeup!

You're very welcome, and I hope that it will help some people.
Always happy to try and help where I can.

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Re: kermit protocol in syncterm
By: Christian Sacks to Ryan Fantus on Thu Aug 17 2023 02:43 pm

> On 17 Aug 2023, Ryan Fantus said the following...
>
> RF> Any chance you can share how you got it working? And is it in Windows
> RF> or linux?
>
> It was in Linux, and I posted how to do this in the MYSTIC message base, but
> here's a TLDR;
>
> Install gkermit from the usual repo, for ubuntu/debian `sudo apt install
> gkermit
>
> Create a wrapper script called /mystic/kermit_batch.sh, the contents of

I havent used kermit since 1998 or something. I'm pretty sure it had problems with error correction and the speed wasn't great.

did you try ymodem G ilke dm suggested? you might be happier with it.
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On 17 Aug 2023, MRO said the following...
MR> I havent used kermit since 1998 or something. I'm pretty sure it had
MR> problems with error correction and the speed wasn't great.

Kermit is about 6 times faster than Zmodem for me =)
It's working flawlessly, and I just wish every BBS now had Kermit.

MR> did you try ymodem G ilke dm suggested? you might be happier with it.

I did try Ymodem, and it's about the same speed as Zmodem.

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Re: Re: kermit protocol in syncterm
By: Christian Sacks to MRO on Fri Aug 18 2023 01:38 am

>
> Kermit is about 6 times faster than Zmodem for me =)
> It's working flawlessly, and I just wish every BBS now had Kermit.
>

well that's a bit older and zmodem kind of won the races on protocols in the bbs scene back in the day.

>
> I did try Ymodem, and it's about the same speed as Zmodem.
>

ymodem or ymodem-g? just go with ymodem-g.
also i recommend just making a script to make your files available on the web temporarily. make a fake protocol that has the user batch download it, then copy it on the web and give them the temporarly url. i did that before and
it was pretty easy.

you could also play around with ntp, i used that back in the day.
https://github.com/M-griffin/NTP
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Re: Re: kermit protocol in syncterm
By: Christian Sacks to MRO on Fri Aug 18 2023 01:38 am

> On 17 Aug 2023, MRO said the following...
>
> MR> I havent used kermit since 1998 or something. I'm pretty sure it had
> MR> problems with error correction and the speed wasn't great.
>
> Kermit is about 6 times faster than Zmodem for me =)

And how fast is that? Is possible that the Qodem Zmodem implementation is just slower than its Kermit implementation?

> It's working flawlessly, and I just wish every BBS now had Kermit.
>
> MR> did you try ymodem G ilke dm suggested? you might be happier with it.
>
> I did try Ymodem, and it's about the same speed as Zmodem.

The suggestion was to try Ymodem-G. Ymodem should normally be much slower than Zmodem over any kind of decent transport due to its ack/nak nature.
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CS> MR> I havent used kermit since 1998 or something. I'm pretty sure it had
CS> MR> problems with error correction and the speed wasn't great.
CS>
CS> Kermit is about 6 times faster than Zmodem for me =)

I wonder if the inbuilt error correction in most file transfer protocols is more of a bug these days than a feature...tcp/ip already does all of this, so more error correction is just adding latency. If kermit has weak error correction, maybe that's why it's so fast over telnet.

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MR> also i recommend just making a script to make your files available on
MR> the web temporarily. make a fake protocol that has the user batch
MR> download it, then copy it on the web and give them the temporarly url.

Yeah I dig this idea, for downloads it feels like the cleanest solution. Uploads are a bit more of a challenge but not insurmountable by any means.

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Re: kermit protocol in syncterm
By: MRO to Christian Sacks on Thu Aug 17 2023 06:09 pm

> I havent used kermit since 1998 or something. I'm pretty sure it had
> problems with error correction and the speed wasn't great.
>
> did you try ymodem G ilke dm suggested? you might be happier with it.

Same experience here, although it might be easier these days to not worry as much about error correction with the speeds we have now?

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Re: Re: kermit protocol in syncterm
By: Christian Sacks to MRO on Fri Aug 18 2023 01:38 am

CS> Kermit is about 6 times faster than Zmodem for me =) It's working
CS> flawlessly, and I just wish every BBS now had Kermit.

Zmdoem became a de-facto standard file transfer protocol on BBSes by the 90s due to its error handling, speed, & such. I always thought Kermit was an older protocol (one of the first file transfer protocols developed). I did a search for Kermit the other day though and read something that Kermit has been udpated to keep up with current standards in file transfer protocols, and that there is also now a Kermit telnet/SSH software program.. I didn't know that.

Nightfox

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Re: kermit protocol in syncterm
By: The Lizard Master to MRO on Fri Aug 18 2023 08:31 am

> Re: kermit protocol in syncterm
> By: MRO to Christian Sacks on Thu Aug 17 2023 06:09 pm
>
> > I havent used kermit since 1998 or something. I'm pretty sure it had
> > problems with error correction and the speed wasn't great.
>
> > did you try ymodem G ilke dm suggested? you might be happier with it.
>
> Same experience here, although it might be easier these days to not worry as
> much about error correction with the speeds we have now?

yeah but if you get bad packets how is that going to do you any good.
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Re: Re: kermit protocol in syncterm
By: Nightfox to Christian Sacks on Fri Aug 18 2023 10:19 am

> search for Kermit the other day though and read something that Kermit has
> been udpated to keep up with current standards in file transfer protocols,
> and that there is also now a Kermit telnet/SSH software program.. I didn't
> know that.

yup i tried it yesterday. i couldnt get it to do cp437 but i only spent a min with it.
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Re: Re: kermit protocol in syncterm
By: Nightfox to Christian Sacks on Fri Aug 18 2023 10:19 am

> and that there is also now a Kermit telnet/SSH software program.. I didn't

Kermit was ported to the 6502 computers as Kermit65... It did software 80 columns on the Atari 8bit and I could connect to the community college systems to use Gopher which connected me to FTP sites like funet.fi where I could leech demos! The Gopher FTP gateway would pull the file from the FTP site and then send it to me with Kermit :).

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Re: Re: kermit protocol in syncterm
By: Phigan to Nightfox on Fri Aug 18 2023 01:59 pm

> Re: Re: kermit protocol in syncterm
> By: Nightfox to Christian Sacks on Fri Aug 18 2023 10:19 am
>
> > and that there is also now a Kermit telnet/SSH software program.. I
> > didn't
>
> Kermit was ported to the 6502 computers as Kermit65... It did software 80
> columns on the Atari 8bit and I could connect to the community college
> systems to use Gopher which connected me to FTP sites like funet.fi where I
> could leech demos! The Gopher FTP gateway would pull the file from the FTP
> site and then send it to me with Kermit :).

yeah i did that on metropolous bbs in 97.
lots of services had that feature.
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On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 9:18:14�AM UTC+12, MRO wrote:
> To: Nightfox
> Re: Re: kermit protocol in syncterm
> By: Nightfox to Christian Sacks on Fri Aug 18 2023 10:19 am
> > search for Kermit the other day though and read something that Kermit has
> > been udpated to keep up with current standards in file transfer protocols,
> > and that there is also now a Kermit telnet/SSH software program.. I didn't
> > know that.
> yup i tried it yesterday. i couldnt get it to do cp437 but i only spent a min with it.
The command you want is: "set term remote cp437" or, in the version of C-Kermit
that doesn't run in the windows console, the rightmost drop-down on the toolbar
is where you can pick the charset to use.
For connecting to a BBS you'd probably want to switch the terminal emulator
from linux (the default) to ansi-bbs anyway. When you do that, C-Kermit for Windows
will automatically switch the remote character set to cp437. You can either use the
left-most drop-down on the toolbar or do a "set term type ansi-bbs".
(I'm the maintainer of the Windows version of C-Kermit and when I need to test
it on vintage windows I tend to point it at a synchronet BBS though the fonts
on vintage windows don't do nearly as good a job as on modern windows -
screenshots here: https://www.kermitproject.org/ckwscreenshots/ )
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