Hello everyone! apologies if I'm posting in the wrong section. I'm trying to
install Synchronet on my machine so I could serve my local retrogaming
community (X68000/PC98/Macintosh) here in SF... many thanks for keeping the
scene alive, I'd love to join with my own setup!

I'm running FreeBSD 13.2 and hit the following issue while compiling from GIT
repo clone:
gmake -C /usr/home/sysop/sbbs/exec MAKEFLAGS= os=freebsd RELEASE=1
BAJAPATH=/usr/home/sysop/sbbs/repo/src/sbbs3/clang.freebsd.exe.release/baja
gmake[1]: Entering directory '/usr/home/sysop/sbbs/repo/exec'
gmake[1]: *** No rule to make target 'cntnodes.bin', needed by 'all'. Stop.
gmake[1]: Leaving directory '/usr/home/sysop/sbbs/repo/exec'
gmake: *** [GNUmakefile:158: baja] Error 2

I can't wrap my head around it, I was wondering if someone may help me? thanks
a lot!

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forgot to mention: I see the BAJAPATH listed being:

/usr/home/sysop/sbbs/repo/src/sbbs3/clang.freebsd.exe.release/baja (one period
..exe/release)

while on the filesystem the following folder is present:

/usr/home/sysop/sbbs/repo/src/sbbs3/clang.freebsd..exe.release/baja (two
periods ..exe.release)

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Re: FreeBSD BAJA compiling error
By: Pasta68K to digital man on Fri Jul 14 2023 08:23 am

>
> Hello everyone! apologies if I'm posting in the wrong section. I'm trying to
> install Synchronet on my machine so I could serve my local retrogaming
> community (X68000/PC98/Macintosh) here in SF... many thanks for keeping the
> scene alive, I'd love to join with my own setup!
>
> I'm running FreeBSD 13.2 and hit the following issue while compiling from
> GIT repo clone:
>
> gmake -C /usr/home/sysop/sbbs/exec MAKEFLAGS= os=freebsd RELEASE=1
> BAJAPATH=/usr/home/sysop/sbbs/repo/src/sbbs3/clang.freebsd.exe.release/baja
> gmake[1]: Entering directory '/usr/home/sysop/sbbs/repo/exec'
> gmake[1]: *** No rule to make target 'cntnodes.bin', needed by 'all'. Stop.
> gmake[1]: Leaving directory '/usr/home/sysop/sbbs/repo/exec'
> gmake: *** [GNUmakefile:158: baja] Error 2
>
> I can't wrap my head around it, I was wondering if someone may help me?
> thanks a lot!

'make clean' first (or run src/cleanall.sh) - cntnodes.src/bin hasn't been a thing in the repo for quite some time, so you have stale .d files you need cleaned out of your build tree.
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thanks for the reply, I forgot to mention, this was from a clean checkout.

I can conform I:
-deleted the whole sbbs folder
-made a new sbbs
-cloned the git repo via 'git clone https://gitlab.synchro.net/main/sbbs.git
~/sbbs/repo'
-ran 'gmake install SYMLINK=1'

and I'm hitting the above issue :(

While I was waiting I tried compiling form the tarball, it should take another
hour on my P3 so I'll be able to report back by then, would that help excluding
stale files? thanks!

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Re: FreeBSD BAJA compiling error
By: Pasta68K to Digital Man on Fri Jul 14 2023 12:24 pm

> thanks for the reply, I forgot to mention, this was from a clean checkout.
>
> I can conform I:
> -deleted the whole sbbs folder
> -made a new sbbs
> -cloned the git repo via 'git clone https://gitlab.synchro.net/main/sbbs.git
> ~/sbbs/repo'
> -ran 'gmake install SYMLINK=1'
>
> and I'm hitting the above issue :(

That certainly doesn't make any sense. cntnodes hasn't been in the sbbs git repo (or exec/GNUmakefile) for 11 years:
https://gitlab.synchro.net/main/sbbs/-/commit/49195be72cf4d31d53d76229fa577a6e7
So... *something* you're using in that build tree is very old.

> While I was waiting I tried compiling form the tarball, it should take
> another hour on my P3 so I'll be able to report back by then, would that
> help excluding stale files? thanks!

Sure.
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Hi Rob, thanks for your reply,

I don't know what to say, it's a fresh OS install, I added the dependencies
packages listed in the wiki, then cloned the repo from the above link. My only
guess is that the FreeBSD env may trigger the anomaly.

I tried compiling from the tarball, but I hit another problem:

Linking clang.freebsd..exe.release/umonitor
gmake[1]: Leaving directory '/usr/home/sysop/sbbs3/src/sbbs3/umonitor'
ln -sfr clang.freebsd..exe.release/* /sbbs/exec
ln: illegal option -- r
usage: ln [-s [-F] | -L | -P] [-f | -i] [-hnv] source_file [target_file]
ln [-s [-F] | -L | -P] [-f | -i] [-hnv] source_file ... target_dir
link source_file target_file
gmake: *** [targets.mk:113: symlinks] Error 1

This seems related to FreeBSD's ln version/implementation, missing the option.

Looks like FreeBSD may be too much of niche in terms of installations/testing?
I'd be happy to contribute working on a 32bit VM (mostly to speed up the
compiling) but looks like I may have to switch the OS to Debian to at least get
things running and get acquainted with Synchronet itself.

Thanks again and please let me know if you'd be available/willing to continue
investigating the FreeBSD testing together, if here or in other channels, happy
to do what I can.

p.s.
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Re: FreeBSD BAJA compiling error
By: Pasta68K to Digital Man on Sat Jul 15 2023 11:42 am

> Hi Rob, thanks for your reply,
>
> I don't know what to say, it's a fresh OS install, I added the dependencies
> packages listed in the wiki, then cloned the repo from the above link. My
> only guess is that the FreeBSD env may trigger the anomaly.

Which anomly? My last response to you was regarding this build error you reported:
> gmake[1]: *** No rule to make target 'cntnodes.bin', needed by 'all'. Stop.

The cause of which is most definitely some old files in your build tree.

> I tried compiling from the tarball, but I hit another problem:
>
> Linking clang.freebsd..exe.release/umonitor
> gmake[1]: Leaving directory '/usr/home/sysop/sbbs3/src/sbbs3/umonitor'
> ln -sfr clang.freebsd..exe.release/* /sbbs/exec
> ln: illegal option -- r
> usage: ln [-s [-F] | -L | -P] [-f | -i] [-hnv] source_file [target_file]
> ln [-s [-F] | -L | -P] [-f | -i] [-hnv] source_file ... target_dir
> link source_file target_file
> gmake: *** [targets.mk:113: symlinks] Error 1

Using the 'install' instead of the 'symlink' build target should get around that issue.

> This seems related to FreeBSD's ln version/implementation, missing the
> option.

Yup, I'll look into if we need the -r option or not there, but you can get around that by not using the 'symlinks' build target.

> Looks like FreeBSD may be too much of niche in terms of
> installations/testing? I'd be happy to contribute working on a 32bit VM
> (mostly to speed up the compiling) but looks like I may have to switch the
> OS to Debian to at least get things running and get acquainted with
> Synchronet itself.
>
> Thanks again and please let me know if you'd be available/willing to
> continue investigating the FreeBSD testing together, if here or in other
> channels, happy to do what I can.

Sure. There are some other sysops already running SBBS on FreeBSD, but always happy to hear of more.
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Thanks Rob,

Quick update, I'm now working on the Debian setup, and as soon as I have a
Linux BBS running, I'll go back working on the 32bit VM fro FreeBSD, checking
tarball without symlinks, and update this thread.

Regarding the cntnodes.bin issue, what I meant by anomaly is that if on a clean
freshly installed system, with a fresh repo clone, the stale files should not
be referred to , my only guess is that the compiling process still looks for
those because it's a FreeBSD env. and somewhere it ends up looking for that old
stuff (as I take this is not happening on Linux or Windows)... I'm not a
developer, so apologies if I'm likely missing something (maybe the FreeBSD
packages/dependencies are throwing a wrench?) but if you mean I was working on
an old build tree, I wanted to assure it's not the case, everything from OS to
repo, was installed/cloned for the first time few days ago for the first time,
as I wanted to make a dedicated machine.

Thanks a lot for all the support!

Max

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just a thought, as I followed the instructions to clone the repo I found here:
http://wiki.synchro.net/dev:git

ran 'git clone https://gitlab.synchro.net/main/sbbs.git ~/sbbs/repo'
then ''gmake install SYMLINK=1'

.... is it possible that the repo linked in that wiki page is old? I see now on
Debian everything get cloned just by running 'make install SYMLINK=1' without
need for manually mirror the repo locally first, so maybe the GNUmakefile is
pointing to a different repo?

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quick update, same error on Debian via GIT, I'll try the tarball.

make -C /sbbs/exec MAKEFLAGS= os=linux RELEASE=1
BAJAPATH=/sbbs/repo/src/sbbs3/gcc.linux.exe.release/baja
make[1]: Entering directory '/sbbs/repo/exec'
make[1]: *** No rule to make target 'cntnodes.bin', needed by 'all'. Stop.
make[1]: Leaving directory '/sbbs/repo/exec'
make: *** [GNUmakefile:158: baja] Error 2

(this time I didn't mirror first the repo locally, just run 'make install
SYMLINK=1' right after installing the OS dependencies packages, so it pulled
everything by itself)

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Re: FreeBSD BAJA compiling error
By: Pasta68K to Digital Man on Sat Jul 15 2023 03:27 pm

> Quick update, I'm now working on the Debian setup, and as soon as I have a
> Linux BBS running, I'll go back working on the 32bit VM fro FreeBSD,
> checking tarball without symlinks, and update this thread.

I committed a change to the git repo that eliminates the '-r' option from the ln command invoked when building the 'symlinks' target, so that should be FreeBSD compatibile now.

> Regarding the cntnodes.bin issue, what I meant by anomaly is that if on a
> clean freshly installed system, with a fresh repo clone, the stale files
> should not be referred to , my only guess is that the compiling process
> still looks for those because it's a FreeBSD env. and somewhere it ends up
> looking for that old stuff (as I take this is not happening on Linux or
> Windows)... I'm not a developer, so apologies if I'm likely missing
> something (maybe the FreeBSD packages/dependencies are throwing a wrench?)
> but if you mean I was working on an old build tree, I wanted to assure it's
> not the case, everything from OS to repo, was installed/cloned for the first
> time few days ago for the first time, as I wanted to make a dedicated
> machine.

No, I don't think FreeBSD has anything to do with. We've had plenty of FreeBSD sysops and noone has ever reported that issue with 'cntnodes' before. I've searched through the repo and there isn't a single reference to cntnodes (that 'grep -ri' can find). Something else is going on there that has nothing to do with it being a FreeBSD system.
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last update! tarball worked as expected, I have now a running system on Debian
(still wrestling with an "error running yesnobar" when navigating the BBS
menus, I wonder if that's because of 3.20 changes, but I'll try to figure it
out).

Thanks again, I'm not sure at this point what I did wrong with GIT, I'm not
familiar with it, but maybe I missed some update command and got stale content.
I'll run the tarball on FreeBSD but I'm expecting of course it to work the same
way.

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Re: FreeBSD BAJA compiling error
By: Digital Man to Pasta68K on Fri Jul 14 2023 05:18 pm

> Re: FreeBSD BAJA compiling error
> By: Pasta68K to Digital Man on Fri Jul 14 2023 12:24 pm
>
> > thanks for the reply, I forgot to mention, this was from a clean
> > checkout.
>
> > I can conform I:
> > -deleted the whole sbbs folder
> > -made a new sbbs
> > -cloned the git repo via 'git clone
> > https://gitlab.synchro.net/main/sbbs.git" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://gitlab.synchro.net/main/sbbs.git ~/sbbs/repo'
> > -ran 'gmake install SYMLINK=1'
>
> > and I'm hitting the above issue :(
>
> That certainly doesn't make any sense. cntnodes hasn't been in the sbbs git
> repo (or exec/GNUmakefile) for 11 years: https://gitlab.synchro.net/main/sbb
> s/-/commit/49195be72cf4d31d53d76229fa577a6e7 So... *something* you're using
> in that build tree is very old.

My mistake: it appears Deuce re-added cntnodes.src to the exec/GNUmakefile *after* I removed it:
https://gitlab.synchro.net/main/sbbs/-/commit/a0621ba3623814ad17dd5408605d07d4c

So yes, the current exec/GNUmakefile does build cntnodes.bin (from cntnodes.src) along with some other long-deprecrated Baja modules. That's correct/expected.
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Re: FreeBSD BAJA compiling error
By: Pasta68K to Digital Man on Sat Jul 15 2023 03:42 pm

> just a thought, as I followed the instructions to clone the repo I found
> here: http://wiki.synchro.net/dev:git
>
> ran 'git clone https://gitlab.synchro.net/main/sbbs.git ~/sbbs/repo'
> then ''gmake install SYMLINK=1'
>
> ... is it possible that the repo linked in that wiki page is old? I see now
> on Debian everything get cloned just by running 'make install SYMLINK=1'
> without need for manually mirror the repo locally first, so maybe the
> GNUmakefile is pointing to a different repo?

All the links in the wiki point to the same git repo that install/GNUmakefile points to. The references to cntnodes.* in exec/GNUmakefile it turns out is correct, expected, so my mistake on that one. There's some *other* reason it's failing to build Baja modules.
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Re: FreeBSD BAJA compiling error
By: Pasta68K to Digital Man on Sat Jul 15 2023 05:38 pm

> quick update, same error on Debian via GIT, I'll try the tarball.
>
>
> make -C /sbbs/exec MAKEFLAGS= os=linux RELEASE=1
> BAJAPATH=/sbbs/repo/src/sbbs3/gcc.linux.exe.release/baja
> make[1]: Entering directory '/sbbs/repo/exec'
> make[1]: *** No rule to make target 'cntnodes.bin', needed by 'all'. Stop.
> make[1]: Leaving directory '/sbbs/repo/exec'
> make: *** [GNUmakefile:158: baja] Error 2
>
> (this time I didn't mirror first the repo locally, just run 'make install
> SYMLINK=1' right after installing the OS dependencies packages, so it
> pulled everything by itself)

Do you have the file repo/exec/cntnodes.src?

Is the BAJAPATH above valid? You pasted a path with double-dots ('..') here earlier that looked suspect.
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Re: FreeBSD BAJA compiling error
By: Pasta68K to Digital Man on Sun Jul 16 2023 02:30 pm

> last update! tarball worked as expected, I have now a running system on
> Debian (still wrestling with an "error running yesnobar" when navigating the
> BBS menus, I wonder if that's because of 3.20 changes, but I'll try to
> figure it out).

It sounds like you're not able to build the exec/*.bin files (built with Baja).

> Thanks again, I'm not sure at this point what I did wrong with GIT, I'm not
> familiar with it, but maybe I missed some update command and got stale
> content. I'll run the tarball on FreeBSD but I'm expecting of course it to
> work the same way.

The 'stale content' was a red herring on my part - cntnodes.src is indeed still in the git repo 'exec' directory and is built with exec/GNUmakefile.
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Thanks a lot Rob for the help,

>Do you have the file repo/exec/cntnodes.src?

>Is the BAJAPATH above valid? You pasted a path with double-dots ('..') here
earlier that looked suspect.

I do not have right now that repo folder on disk to check cntnodes.src, but I
recall checking and while the compiler was looking for the " .exec.release", on
my filesystem I had " ..exec.release" which got me puzzled as well.

>It sounds like you're not able to build the exec/*.bin files (built with
Baja).

I'm now confused as the tarball ended compiling without errors and so far I was
able to run the BBS config and console, even creating the sysop user.

I don't mean to create confusion if this is unrelated, but just to clarify, I'm
not having compiling errors (I think), I'm able to run exec/sbbs and when
connected (telnet) to the BBS from a terminal emulator often a red error line
on screen saying "!ERROR executing yesnobar" appears, while I can see the
console log showing:
"!ERROR 2 (No such file or directory) in exec.cpp line 791 (exec_bin) executing
"yesnobar" access=0 info=module doesn't exist"

Is this possibly still related to BAJA?

At this point, if the GIT is correct and hits a BAJA issue (but the tarball
successfully compiles?) I'm starting wondering if my Pentium III processor may
be missing some feature needed? I put together this retro machine to run DOS
BBS software, but I eventually realized Synchronet is much more powerful...
still it's good having access to FDDs and SCSI card, as I can read/write media
from many of my old computers, so I opted to simply run a newer OS on the P3.

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Quick update, I now understand a bit better the exec logic using BAJA scripting
modules. I was able to download from a web page a very old YESNOBAR.ZIP which
contained the missing .bin, and it just work now, showing me the YES/NO cursor,
solving the error mentioned above.

Separately, I tried changing the shell to major.bin, and again it can't find
the file (it's just not there).

So, to answer my above question, looks like while the tarball built completed
without errors, the BAJA-generated .bin are missing... so looks like I'm having
issues with BAJA :(

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Apologies for the few messages in a row, but I think I got the issue, or at
least what was missing from the process I used.

So, all the .bin which should have been generated by the baja interpreter under
/sbbs/exec are missing, but the interpreter has been compiled successfully, and
I can manually generate .bin form the relevant .src in the same directory.

So, I don't know if this is the expected behavior for default modules, but
basically the .bin needs to be created manually (in my env.) but looks like
they do work fine after that.

I tried generating major.bin from major.src and the user shell is now changed
to the minimalist style of Major BBS as expected.

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to summary as basically there were two issues discussed, again sorry for a bit
of overlap:

-under both FreeBSD 13.2 or Debian 12.0. using GIT + GNUMakefile from the wiki
links, I was not able to finish compiling, because a BAJA path error.

-using the tarball under FreeBSD, I did hit the ln -r option issue (which
should now be fixed thanks to Rob)

-using the tarball under Debian, I was able to complete the build successfully,
but looks like the .bin files from baja were not generated automatically (which
made me think the issue was related possibly to the BAJA path mentioned, even
if the build completed). I was able though to generate them manually using the
baja executable the build generated, ending with a working system (no errors in
the console logs with user connected and transferring files or customizing
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Re: FreeBSD BAJA compiling error
By: Pasta68K to Digital Man on Sun Jul 16 2023 10:43 pm

> -using the tarball under Debian, I was able to complete the build
> successfully, but looks like the .bin files from baja were not generated
> automatically (which made me think the issue was related possibly to the
> BAJA path mentioned, even if the build completed). I was able though to
> generate them manually using the baja executable the build generated, ending
> with a working system (no errors in the console logs with user connected and
> transferring files or customizing options)

yeah that's not big deal. the .src files are to be compiled with the baja executable. when you need to make changes, edit the .src files and then compile again.
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Re: FreeBSD BAJA compiling error
By: Pasta68K to Digital Man on Sun Jul 16 2023 03:03 pm

> Thanks a lot Rob for the help,
>
> >Do you have the file repo/exec/cntnodes.src?
>
> >Is the BAJAPATH above valid? You pasted a path with double-dots ('..') here
> earlier that looked suspect.
>
> I do not have right now that repo folder on disk to check cntnodes.src, but
> I recall checking and while the compiler was looking for the "
> .exec.release", on my filesystem I had " ..exec.release" which got me
> puzzled as well.

Yeah, and that's likely the root issue.

> >It sounds like you're not able to build the exec/*.bin files (built with
> Baja).
>
> I'm now confused as the tarball ended compiling without errors and so far I
> was able to run the BBS config and console, even creating the sysop user.
>
> I don't mean to create confusion if this is unrelated, but just to clarify,
> I'm not having compiling errors (I think), I'm able to run exec/sbbs and
> when connected (telnet) to the BBS from a terminal emulator often a red
> error line on screen saying "!ERROR executing yesnobar" appears, while I can
> see the console log showing:
> "!ERROR 2 (No such file or directory) in exec.cpp line 791 (exec_bin)
> executing "yesnobar" access=0 info=module doesn't exist"
>
> Is this possibly still related to BAJA?

Yes.

> At this point, if the GIT is correct and hits a BAJA issue (but the tarball
> successfully compiles?) I'm starting wondering if my Pentium III processor
> may be missing some feature needed?

No. When you built from the files cloned from the git repo, you most likely (definitely) used install/GNUmakefile, which also builds (makes) exec/*.bin using exec/GNUmakefile. And when you built using the files from the tarball, you most likely used src/sbbs3/GNUmakefile, which does *not* build/make the exec/*.bin files automatically.

> I put together this retro machine to run
> DOS BBS software, but I eventually realized Synchronet is much more
> powerful... still it's good having access to FDDs and SCSI card, as I can
> read/write media from many of my old computers, so I opted to simply run a
> newer OS on the P3.

I don't think the P3 is the issue.
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Re: FreeBSD BAJA compiling error
By: Pasta68K to Digital Man on Sun Jul 16 2023 10:43 pm

> to summary as basically there were two issues discussed, again sorry for a
> bit of overlap:
>
> -under both FreeBSD 13.2 or Debian 12.0. using GIT + GNUMakefile from the
> wiki links, I was not able to finish compiling, because a BAJA path error.

See if you can still reproduce this error by running 'make' while the current working directory is your Synchronet "exec" directory.

> -using the tarball under FreeBSD, I did hit the ln -r option issue (which
> should now be fixed thanks to Rob)
>
> -using the tarball under Debian, I was able to complete the build
> successfully, but looks like the .bin files from baja were not generated
> automatically (which made me think the issue was related possibly to the
> BAJA path mentioned, even if the build completed).

That's because of the makefile you used to start the build. If you use install/GNUmakefile, it'll auto-build the exec/*.bin files. If you use src/sbbs3/GNUmakefile, it will not.

> I was able though to
> generate them manually using the baja executable the build generated, ending
> with a working system (no errors in the console logs with user connected and
> transferring files or customizing options)

Yup. This issue is the same as the first bullet item you listed.
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Thanks Rob, MRO

I'm getting acquainted with Synchronet and now a lot of things are making sense
to me as well... also I'm having a lot of fun customizing the BBS, I'm now
testing SEXYZ with the X68000 terminal emulator (via wifimodem/telnet serial
wrapper like Lantronix), it would be the only BBS allowing both download and
upload to work, so that would be a game changer for the X68000 community.

>See if you can still reproduce this error by running 'make' while the current
working directory is your Synchronet "exec" directory.

Thanks, as soon as I'll get the FreeBSD VM running I'll try again!

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Re: FreeBSD BAJA compiling error
By: Pasta68K to Digital Man on Tue Jul 18 2023 01:15 pm

> >See if you can still reproduce this error by running 'make' while the
> current working directory is your Synchronet "exec" directory.
>
> Thanks, as soon as I'll get the FreeBSD VM running I'll try again!

I thought you reported the same with a Debian install?
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