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Subject: Re: OT: I don't think anyone talks about flying a Cessna like this...
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 by: Thomas E. - Tue, 2 May 2023 13:55 UTC

On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 4:17:15 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-04-28 08:32, Thomas E. wrote:
> > On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 1:16:18 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> >> On 2023-04-26 05:58, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 1:31:33 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> >>>> On 2023-04-25 10:04, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 12:33:49 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> >>>>>> On 2023-04-25 07:55, Thomas E. wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at 1:45:16 AM UTC-4, Alan
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> 'This whole racing-a-car-thing should be easy, right?
> >>>>>>>> After all, everyone drives.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Wait a minute. I’ve had ex-Navy SEALs, current and
> >>>>>>>> former Major League Baseball pitchers, brain surgeons,
> >>>>>>>> and even rocket scientists tell me that racing a car is
> >>>>>>>> the hardest thing they’ve ever done.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> If you were to ask someone who has never raced how
> >>>>>>>> hard they think it Would be, they’ll likely relate it
> >>>>>>>> to having driven a mountain highway, or across the
> >>>>>>>> country. I’ve received responses like, “How hard could
> >>>>>>>> it be? I drive every day, and it’s not hard.”
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> That’s the problem.'
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> <https://imola.motorsportreg.com/coachs-corners-why-racing-is-so-different-and-difficult/>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>
> >>>>>>>>
> Oh, and:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> 'Racing is much closer to flying fighter jets. All
> >>>>>>>> those other things I’ve done in the sky are, at most,
> >>>>>>>> flying’s version of driving the twisties on the Tail of
> >>>>>>>> the Dragon, or Highway 1 in Northern California. In
> >>>>>>>> other words, it’s nothing like it.'
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Apples and oranges. Try a non-precision approach in a 172
> >>>>>>> to minimums with a 20 knot crosswind at night in heavy
> >>>>>>> rain. That will get your attention. What I did yesterday
> >>>>>>> not so much, but does take training.
> >>>>>> And, as usual, you think you know more than someone who is
> >>>>>> both a pilot and an accomplished racing driver, and highly
> >>>>>> respect racing driving coach (having raced in the Indy 500,
> >>>>>> and finishing 2nd in the 24 Hours of Daytona)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> A man who has literally done both told you which he feels
> >>>>>> is more challenging.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> But you know better.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> (The little shit's self-centred essay snipped)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Apples and oranges. Very different challenges and training.
> >>>>> Both are potentially deadly to the unlucky, untrained, and
> >>>>> unprepared. I really do not think you can compare which is
> >>>>> more difficult. Just too different.
> >>>> But you, who do not do both...
> >>>>
> >>>> ...know better than someone who does...
> >>>>
> >>>> ...right, Little Shit?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> My point is that you are not capable of the flying I do on a
> >>>>> routine basis. I am not capable of winning the auto races
> >>>>> you run. Could I drive around the track at something faster
> >>>>> than everyday speeds in my car. Yes. But compete? No.
> >>>> "Something faster than every day speeds"?
> >>>>
> >>>> LOLOLOLOLOL
> >>>>
> >>>> Race driving is the equivalent of "a non-precision approach in
> >>>> a 172 to minimums with a 20 knot crosswind at night in heavy
> >>>> rain."...
> >>>>
> >>>> ...every time you go through a corner.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As for my trip description it's no more self-serving than
> >>>>> your bragging race narratives. Can't wait to read the next
> >>>>> one, if there is one.
> >>>> Well as I currently have a hernia awaiting surgery, I'm afraid
> >>>> you'll have to wait until June.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> BTW, I see that as of today the subject of my last email is
> >>>>> still an open issue. Are you ever going to resolve it? I'm
> >>>>> checking on a regular basis.
> >>>> You're continuing to stalk?
> >>>
> >>> Of course, you cited only one sports person with relevant
> >>> experience claiming that racing is more difficult than driving.
> >>> Go ask Thurmon Munson. He was catcher for the Yankees for 11
> >>> years and 7-time All Star.
> >> Why would Thurmon Munson be able to add anything of relevance to
> >> the discussion, Little Shit?
> >>>
> >>> Oh, you can't. He died in 1979 when he crashed his Cessna. He
> >>> made a mistake performing what should have been a routine landing
> >>> in good weather.
> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thurman_Munson#Death
> >> So he wasn't a very good pilot?
> >>>
> >>> I was giving a CAP mission pilot (not FAA) checkride to a highly
> >>> experienced pilot who made the same mistake in a 172. I caught it
> >>> and made him do a go-around. He actually verbalized flaps down
> >>> from the landing checklist and then never extended the flaps.
> >>> That, plus other issues I saw, and he is no longer flying for
> >>> CAP.
> >>>
> >>> As for the rest, like I said you cannot make comparisons like
> >>> driving through a race course curve versus an instrument
> >>> approach. Race driving is more intense, flying gives you more
> >>> time. More time right up to the point where accumulated errors
> >>> kill you. The Swiss cheese of errors. Look it up.
> >>>
> >>> As you have no meaningful personal experience with piloting
> >>> aircraft you are just plain lying making any person judgements on
> >>> how difficult it can be.
> >> I quoted someone who DOES have personal experience, Little Shit.
> >>>
> >>> As for your open issue, it's just very interesting, very much in
> >>> the public domain, and potentially very damning to your CSMA/RSG
> >>> reputation. Just fix it and it ceases to be an issue. It's has
> >>> been dragging on for years after all. :-)
> >> Or you could just not stalk people.
> >>>
> >>> Hernia? I had one repaired a few years back in 2017. It was
> >>> almost painless and no activity restrictions. It took all of a
> >>> week from diagnosis to surgery. I was on the way to hospital when
> >>> the famous CRV incident occurred. But you have health care
> >>> waiting lines in Canada. :) Too bad. If you lived here you would
> >>> already have that fixed. :)
> >> If I had your health insurance... ...or was rich.
> >
> > On the subject of flying, my issue is that you are inserting the
> > competitive element of racing in a car compared to flying. Let's
> > level the field by looking at the aircraft race records. The only
> > long-term case available is Reno, and this year is the last one. Some
> > the last year issue is due to so many fatal accidents. Here is the
> > record of those Reno Air Race fatal accidents. How many fatal
> > accidents has your SCCBC race circuit had in its existence?
> And as usual, you try and rewrite the narrative.
>
> Do you remember what started this debt, you Lying Little Shit.
>
> I think you do.

Debt? Freudian slip? Confusing this conversation with a certain debt you owe? :-)

I do remember, but as I have also stated you are comparing race cars to non race flying. My point continues to be that flying can be as intense as racing cars, but admittedly for brief periods. An apple-to-apples race car/aircraft comparison shows that aircraft are likely more intense and dangerous than cars. Consider that racing aircraft can routinely pull 7 g or more. Look at that Reno fatal accident record. High g forces break things.

Of course you also have essentially zero flying experience while I have raced go karts and once drove a Nascar Sportsman car for 30 minutes on a short oval.

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