Hi,

Anyone tried using Ray Favre's !LaBella on R 5?

I can get it to load but the icon where you type the address to put on
the label is greyed out & does nothing. I'm using 6.43 which I think is
the latest and is supposedly 32 bitted.

Using Aemulor makes no difference.

--
Chris Newman

In article <598d673070cvjazz@waitrose.com>,
Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:
> Hi,

> Anyone tried using Ray Favre's !LaBella on R 5?

> I can get it to load but the icon where you type the address to put on
> the label is greyed out & does nothing. I'm using 6.43 which I think is
> the latest and is supposedly 32 bitted.

> Using Aemulor makes no difference.

Looks OK here. ISTR, you get the address by loading a CSV file

ROS 5.29 - LaBella 6.11

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In message <598d673070cvjazz@waitrose.com>
Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Anyone tried using Ray Favre's !LaBella on R 5?
>
> I can get it to load but the icon where you type the address to put on the
> label is greyed out & does nothing. I'm using 6.43 which I think is the
> latest and is supposedly 32 bitted.

Works for me every Christmas :-)

LaBella 6.43, many different versions of RO5, normally all quite recent
at time of use of LaBella.

David

In message <1d21808d59.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>
David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:

> In message <598d673070cvjazz@waitrose.com>
> Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:

>> Hi,
>>
>> Anyone tried using Ray Favre's !LaBella on R 5?
>>
>> I can get it to load but the icon where you type the address to put on the
>> label is greyed out & does nothing. I'm using 6.43 which I think is the
>> latest and is supposedly 32 bitted.

> Works for me every Christmas :-)

> LaBella 6.43, many different versions of RO5, normally all quite recent
> at time of use of LaBella.

> David
No Reason why it wouldn't work as it is written in basic.
I didn't think you typed data in as such, but created a CSV file which you
then loaded into Labella.

Any way it is working on my Titanium.
John

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In article <1d21808d59.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>, David Higton
<dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
> In message <598d673070cvjazz@waitrose.com> Chris Newman
> <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:

> > Hi,
> >
> > Anyone tried using Ray Favre's !LaBella on R 5?
> >
> > I can get it to load but the icon where you type the address to put
> > on the label is greyed out & does nothing. I'm using 6.43 which I
> > think is the latest and is supposedly 32 bitted.

> Works for me every Christmas :-)

> LaBella 6.43, many different versions of RO5, normally all quite recent
> at time of use of LaBella.

Tanks, Dave. Encouraged me to look again. Found the problem.
At the start it was loading a default label. Now I've set a favourite at
startup it's working.

--
Chris Newman

In message <598e00b468cvjazz@waitrose.com>
Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:

> In article <1d21808d59.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>, David Higton
> <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
> > In message <598d673070cvjazz@waitrose.com> Chris Newman
> > <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:
>
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Anyone tried using Ray Favre's !LaBella on R 5?
> > >
> > > I can get it to load but the icon where you type the address to put on
> > > the label is greyed out & does nothing. I'm using 6.43 which I think is
> > > the latest and is supposedly 32 bitted.
>
> > Works for me every Christmas :-)
>
> > LaBella 6.43, many different versions of RO5, normally all quite recent
> > at time of use of LaBella.
>
> Tanks, Dave. Encouraged me to look again. Found the problem. At the start
> it was loading a default label. Now I've set a favourite at startup it's
> working.

Yeah, I had to add a definition for the Avery labels we use, since the
definition wasn't in the distribution version.

David

In message <598d673070cvjazz@waitrose.com>
Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:

> Hi,

> Anyone tried using Ray Favre's !LaBella on R 5?

> I can get it to load but the icon where you type the address to put on
> the label is greyed out & does nothing. I'm using 6.43 which I think is
> the latest and is supposedly 32 bitted.

> Using Aemulor makes no difference.

Runs OK on RISCOS 5.28 version 6.43

As an aside how do you set the label shape to square and keep it there?

I have tried modifying one of the square supplied labels but changing the
label name to something more useful but Labella reverts to a rounded label
when reloaded.

Looking in the label data directory at files LR-001 and LS-001 I cannot
see the tag that sets the shape.
A small point as I am printing to A4 card and then cutting.
--
John Bryan

In message <ce30458e59.John@jrb.5026.gmail.com>
John Bryan <jrb.5026@gmail.com> wrote:

> In message <598d673070cvjazz@waitrose.com>
> Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:

>> Hi,

>> Anyone tried using Ray Favre's !LaBella on R 5?

>> I can get it to load but the icon where you type the address to put on
>> the label is greyed out & does nothing. I'm using 6.43 which I think is
>> the latest and is supposedly 32 bitted.

>> Using Aemulor makes no difference.

> Runs OK on RISCOS 5.28 version 6.43

> As an aside how do you set the label shape to square and keep it there?

> I have tried modifying one of the square supplied labels but changing the
> label name to something more useful but Labella reverts to a rounded label
> when reloaded.

> Looking in the label data directory at files LR-001 and LS-001 I cannot
> see the tag that sets the shape.
> A small point as I am printing to A4 card and then cutting.

From the manual

"The automatic association of one of these basic shapes to a label
definition file is effected via specific character sequences in the
user-chosen label name, as follows:

If a label definition has the case-sensitive character sequence ”Square•
somewhere in its label name then the label shape will be a square-cornered
rectangle."

So in Labeldata.Ls001 I assume the title is "Avery J8414 (2×5)
Square-corners"

John

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In article <598d673070cvjazz@waitrose.com>,
Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:
> Hi,

> Anyone tried using Ray Favre's !LaBella on R 5?

> I can get it to load but the icon where you type the address to put
> on the label is greyed out & does nothing. I'm using 6.43 which I
> think is the latest and is supposedly 32 bitted.

> Using Aemulor makes no difference.

Version 6.43 seems to be working here with OS 5.29 03-Nov-20.

For decades I've used Impression to print christmas card labels and
thought I'd give this a try in the hope it might provide a way around
a printing problem.

I understand that the printer cannot print right to the top or bottom
edge but I can't work out how I'm supposed to deal with that. I hoped
that something designed for labels would have some work around but
not that I've found yet.

How do people get around this? Don't use the top and or bottom
labels?

Within LaBella the labels I'm using are 105 x 37mm and 16 on a sheet
and crucially there is no empty space between labels.

I have the row pitch set to 37mm and I can move the whole printed
page up and down using the label top inset. If set to 1.1 it equally
chops a little from the top label and bottom label. I tried changing
the label height but that seems to make no difference.

I would have thought that there was a mechanism for dealing with
print margins but so far I've not discovered it?

Any advice appreciated.

Bob.

On 20 Nov 2021 as I do recall,
Bob Latham wrote:

> I understand that the printer cannot print right to the top or bottom
> edge but I can't work out how I'm supposed to deal with that. I hoped
> that something designed for labels would have some work around but
> not that I've found yet.
>
> How do people get around this? Don't use the top and or bottom
> labels?
>
Label stationery normally has a top and bottom margin for that reason,
e.g.
https://www.avery.co.uk/sites/avery.co.uk/files/styles/scale_1_1_ratio_style/public/avery_importer/template/lineart/L7159-100_5014702177408_line.jpg

--
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The attacker must vanquish; the defender need only survive.

In message <2cd4588e59.john@user.orpheusmail.co.uk>
J Peachey <john@jpeachey.co.uk> wrote:

> In message <ce30458e59.John@jrb.5026.gmail.com>
> John Bryan <jrb.5026@gmail.com> wrote:

>> In message <598d673070cvjazz@waitrose.com>
>> Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:

[snip]

>>>

>> Runs OK on RISCOS 5.28 version 6.43

>> As an aside how do you set the label shape to square and keep it there?

>> I have tried modifying one of the square supplied labels but changing the
>> label name to something more useful but Labella reverts to a rounded label
>> when reloaded.

>> Looking in the label data directory at files LR-001 and LS-001 I cannot
>> see the tag that sets the shape.
>> A small point as I am printing to A4 card and then cutting.

> From the manual

> "The automatic association of one of these basic shapes to a label
> definition file is effected via specific character sequences in the
> user-chosen label name, as follows:

> If a label definition has the case-sensitive character sequence ?Square?
> somewhere in its label name then the label shape will be a square-cornered
> rectangle."

> So in Labeldata.Ls001 I assume the title is "Avery J8414 (2×5)
> Square-corners"

> John

Thank you John, you are indeed correct.
The label name in the control window has to include the word "Square" and
as you say is case sensitive.
I have modified the label name and all is now well.

--
John Bryan

In article <598e6415d4bob@sick-of-spam.invalid>,
Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
> I understand that the printer cannot print right to the top or
> bottom edge but I can't work out how I'm supposed to deal with
> that. I hoped that something designed for labels would have some
> work around but not that I've found yet.

> How do people get around this? Don't use the top and or bottom
> labels?

That depends on lyour printer, not Labella. Somewhere in your printer
spec there should be the limits of where it can print on a page. If
that shows that it cannot print on the whole of all labels, then you
will not be able to print on all of them.

Make sure your RISC OS printer settings are correct for paper sizes
AND Graphics margins. This ensures they can be displayed by Labella,
and the printer can be used to its fullest extent.

> Within LaBella the labels I'm using are 105 x 37mm and 16 on a
> sheet and crucially there is no empty space between labels.

There is often not a space between labels.

First, ensure the label measurements and layout in Labella is exactly
what the physical labels are. Interactive help is available on most
settings. This includes individual label height, width, rows, cols,
row & col pitch, and top left inset. That is fixed (and hopefully
saved) for each label type, and is independent of what you want to
print in each label.

Then, load a CSV file with the text you want in each label, and set up
how you want the fields to be printed - font, size, indentation,
spacing, colours etc.

> I have the row pitch set to 37mm and I can move the whole printed
> page up and down using the label top inset. If set to 1.1 it equally
> chops a little from the top label and bottom label.

Maybe the !Printer settings are not the same as your actual printer?

> I tried changing the label height but that seems to make no
> difference.

No - that must be the size of one label.

> I would have thought that there was a mechanism for dealing with
> print margins but so far I've not discovered it?

There are several references to margin in the Help.

Labella is *very* flexible, but it does take some getting used to
where to tweak what.

Note that you do not have to start printing at the first label on the
page, so used ones can be skipped.

Always best to experiment on blank sheets of paper and compare
positions with the real thing!

Martin

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In article <d8ea698e59.harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk>,
Harriet Bazley <harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk> wrote:
> On 20 Nov 2021 as I do recall,
> Bob Latham wrote:

> > I understand that the printer cannot print right to the top or
> > bottom edge but I can't work out how I'm supposed to deal with
> > that. I hoped that something designed for labels would have some
> > work around but not that I've found yet.
> >
> > How do people get around this? Don't use the top and or bottom
> > labels?
> Label stationery normally has a top and bottom margin for that
> reason, e.g.
> https://www.avery.co.uk/sites/avery.co.uk/files/styles/scale_1_1_ratio_style/public/avery_importer/template/lineart/L7159-100_5014702177408_line.jpg

Thanks for that.

Bob.

In article <598e73e424News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk>,
Martin <News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk> wrote:

> There are several references to margin in the Help.

> Labella is *very* flexible, but it does take some getting used to
> where to tweak what.

> Note that you do not have to start printing at the first label on
> the page, so used ones can be skipped.

I haven't yet worked out how to skip labels during printing.

> Always best to experiment on blank sheets of paper and compare
> positions with the real thing!

Yes, indeed that's what I've been doing.

I thought it possible that LaBella might detect that the text
couldn't be fully printed in a certain box and therefore skip the row
and print the row on the next page. It's unlike me to be optimistic.
:-)

I have now reached a sort of solution. Most of the labels have 6
lines of text but some only 5. By shifting the print to fully print
the top of the page and only using 5 line addresses at the page
bottoms it seems to print OK. Very nicely actually.

Thanks for your help.

Bob.

In article <598e7f912cbob@sick-of-spam.invalid>,
Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:

> > Note that you do not have to start printing at the first label on
> > the page, so used ones can be skipped.

> I haven't yet worked out how to skip labels during printing.

If you want to skip the first five labels on the sheet, just put five
blank lines before your first label.

Alan

In article <598e83e2d7ajg@argonet.co.uk>,
Alan Griffin <ajg@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> > I haven't yet worked out how to skip labels during printing.

> If you want to skip the first five labels on the sheet, just put
> five blank lines before your first label.

Better and easier to change 'Start at Label' in the Printing Setup
window!

--
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without notice if (when) any spam is received.

In article <598e83e2d7ajg@argonet.co.uk>,
Alan Griffin <ajg@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

> If you want to skip the first five labels on the sheet, just put
> five blank lines before your first label.

Do you mean blank lines in the CSV file if not, where?

Bob.

In article <598e73e424News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk>,
Martin <News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <598e6415d4bob@sick-of-spam.invalid>,
> Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
> > I understand that the printer cannot print right to the top or
> > bottom edge but I can't work out how I'm supposed to deal with
> > that. I hoped that something designed for labels would have some
> > work around but not that I've found yet.

For many years now I've used !OvationPro to produce labels. There's an
applet for labels formats. Unfortunately it's so long ago that I set
it up to produce an Avery L14 format that I've forgotten how it was
done.

I've found it extremely flexible for our Xmas card list, which I
usually amend throughout the year. Since I keep it in alphabetical
order, it's easy to insert or delete entries which then cause the
others to ripple along the series.

Not as flexible as extracting from a wider database of course, but
simple to use and precise in printing.

[ very big snip ]

> Always best to experiment on blank sheets of paper and compare
> positions with the real thing!

I use the first printing on sheets of paper to annotate the list ready
for the next year, having used the previous year's draft to highlight
changes necessary.

Michael Harding
Rev. Preb. M.D. Harding riscos@mdharding.org.uk

In article <598eca6fefbob@sick-of-spam.invalid>,
Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:

> > If you want to skip the first five labels on the sheet, just put
> > five blank lines before your first label.

> Do you mean blank lines in the CSV file if not, where?

I would imagine it must be lines with the appropriate commas in the CSV
file, thus printing nothing on the first row of labels (whatever the number
used/needed).

You may need the same at the bottom of the page!

John

In article <598e899e82News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk>,
Martin <News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <598e83e2d7ajg@argonet.co.uk>,
> Alan Griffin <ajg@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> > > I haven't yet worked out how to skip labels during printing.

> > If you want to skip the first five labels on the sheet, just put
> > five blank lines before your first label.

> Better and easier to change 'Start at Label' in the Printing Setup
> window!

Doesn't that only work on the first page? That would mean I would
have to print each page on its own wouldn't it?

Bob.

In article <598ecb893cUCEbin@tiscali.co.uk>,
John Williams (News) <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <598eca6fefbob@sick-of-spam.invalid>,
> Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:

> > > If you want to skip the first five labels on the sheet, just put
> > > five blank lines before your first label.

> > Do you mean blank lines in the CSV file if not, where?

> I would imagine it must be lines with the appropriate commas in the
> CSV file, thus printing nothing on the first row of labels
> (whatever the number used/needed).

> You may need the same at the bottom of the page!

Ah, yes I see. Thanks.

I'd already found that the first line in the CSV file sets how many
print lines (fields) each label has. So if the first csv line only
has 5 fields then subsequent Labels (CSV lines) with six fields don't
have their last line printed.

Thanks.

Bob.

In article <598ecf8b0cbob@sick-of-spam.invalid>,
Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:

> Ah, yes I see. Thanks.

I've not used LaBella, but have a similar "commercial" program called
UltiLabel which I persuaded a former workplace to buy me, and this
subsequently went over to "PCs", so grappling with CSV files is not new to
me!

John

In article <598ecb1dbbbob@sick-of-spam.invalid>,
Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <598e899e82News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk>,
> Martin <News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk> wrote:
> > In article <598e83e2d7ajg@argonet.co.uk>,
> > Alan Griffin <ajg@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> > > > I haven't yet worked out how to skip labels during printing.

> > > If you want to skip the first five labels on the sheet, just put
> > > five blank lines before your first label.

> > Better and easier to change 'Start at Label' in the Printing
> > Setup window!

> Doesn't that only work on the first page? That would mean I would
> have to print each page on its own wouldn't it?

Probably it assumes that subsequernt pages are complete sets of
labels, only the first page may be part used.

But this is not how to avoid printing on the first line of labels on
*each* page - that I covered earlier. Your printer, the labella
definitions, and the physical labels must all agree.

--
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In article <598e6415d4bob@sick-of-spam.invalid>,
Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <598d673070cvjazz@waitrose.com>,
> Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:
> > Hi,

> > Anyone tried using Ray Favre's !LaBella on R 5?

> Within LaBella the labels I'm using are 105 x 37mm and 16 on a sheet
> and crucially there is no empty space between labels.

Just checking these dimensions.

Presumably the width 105 so 2 across an A4 age = 210 so barely any side
margin (A4 is 210 label sheets may have a bit extra).

If it's 2 across and 16 on a sheet that must be 8 down.
37 x 8 = 296 which is the full A4 height so no top or bottom margin.

Label Top Inset can be set to 0.0 or even a negative figure.

--
Chris Newman

In article <598ed582a0News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk>,
Martin <News03@avisoft.f9.co.uk> wrote:

> But this is not how to avoid printing on the first line of labels on
> *each* page - that I covered earlier. Your printer, the labella
> definitions, and the physical labels must all agree.

I thought they did but I was surprised to find..

A4 paper 297mm long.
Paper size in driver set to 297mm.

A4 paper 210mm wide.
Paper size in driver set to 210mm.

A4 labels 298.5 long.
A4 labels 210.5mm wide

The labels claim to be 105mmx37mm but are to my eyes a fraction of a
mm larger. I'm not sure I could measure that tiny amount. but 210.5/8
gives 37.3mm which is probably correct-ish.

I didn't really want to set up another page size for the printer to
be honest and I've cheated my way out of trouble by placing 5 line
addresses at the end of each page.

Bob.