On Fri, 26 Jan 2024 15:41:54 -0800 (PST), -hh wrote:

> So how does one magically 'find" $900K in cash to pay off debts when
> only making a $300K (before taxes) income? Plus don't forget the other
> disclosed expenditures they were making: two kids in a $10,500/year
> private school (each), and joining an exclusive country club which had a
> $92,000 initiation fee.

Apply that logic to the 540 elected officials and there won't be many
left. 'Honorariums', 'speaking fees' and sales of books nobody reads are
popular laundry additives.

On Fri, 26 Jan 2024 15:58:24 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On Fri, 26 Jan 2024 07:43:36 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>
>>> But I myself will never ever be a candidate for a lifetime appointment
>>> to the Supreme Court. If I were, I'd calmly go through the process,
>>> secure that the FBI would confirm my innocence.
>>
>> I'll pass. I'm not an ax murderer but I don't need bad choices from 50
>> years ago dredged up.
>
> Hell, I like beer too! Especially a strong IPA, or Carlsberg Elephant!

Whille I drank my share beer was never my preference. You can develop a
hangover while you're still drinking that stuff and you have to piss a
lot. Very inefficient.

Then there is the other problem. Prior to the purity laws gruit had a wide
variety of possibly psychoactive herbs mixed in. Then the church got into
the game and promoted hops as the sole preservative/flavoring. Why?

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19560531/

"Experimental evidence of the anaphrodisiac activity of Humulus lupulus L.
in naïve male rats"

In less formal terms

https://www.vice.com/en/article/bmpbm8/ipas-are-giving-you-man-boobs

On 2024-01-26 19:48, RonB wrote:
> On 2024-01-26, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
>> On 2024-01-26 03:36, RonB wrote:
>>> On 2024-01-25, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The think that got me against Kavanaugh was his sniveling and snarling.
>>>>> Unbecoming of a court candidate.
>>>>
>>>> He ought to have been snarling, given the despicable disrespect that
>>>> he was shown, by the likes of Amy Klobuchar.
>>>
>>> Really? How much respect would you have for a woman who was trying to accuse
>>> you of a rape you didn't commit for political purposes? These people lied
>>> through their teeth, accusing Kavanaugh of a crime he didn't commit and
>>> couldn't even come up with the vaguest details, so that he could disprove
>>> their lying accusations. They tried to make him guilty until he could
>>> "prove" his innocence, and claimed because this wasn't a court case that
>>> they could get away with this bullshit. I would say Kavanaugh did a pretty
>>> job of holding back his disdain and disrespect for these liars.
>>>
>>> "Disrespect" for someone who knowingly lies about you? Talk about hypocrisy.
>>> What about her lying disrespect for making these lying accusations? Pretty
>>> myopic about this, aren't you?
>>>
>>> BTW, this is the ONLY reason I've voted in the last 40 years. Because I was
>>> pissed at these liars who tried to railroad Kavanaugh at this bullshit
>>> hearing with their lying, vague and bullshit charges.
>>>
>>> And it turns out that Kavanaugh has consistently helped the lying Democrat
>>> Party after he got confirmed. Maybe these lying Democrats should show some
>>> gratitude to this turncoat.
>>
>> I'm getting the feeling that Kavanaugh did so simply because it would
>> get these hyenas off of his back. They probably promised him that they'd
>> lay off of him if only he did them some favours.
>
> I guess I'm a little hard on him. He never did claim to be a conservative. I
> think Trump picked him because he thought he would be a good compromise
> candidate and the Democrats wouldn't have any trouble confirming him. I
> guess he didn't realize that he could say the sun rises in the east and the
> Democrats would viciously counter that statement of fact.

The mere fact that the Democrats fought him on the wall despite wanting
one themselves is evidence that these two parties exist solely to bicker
amongst themselves rather than to actually help the people.

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rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On Fri, 26 Jan 2024 15:58:24 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>
>>> On Fri, 26 Jan 2024 07:43:36 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>
>>>> But I myself will never ever be a candidate for a lifetime appointment
>>>> to the Supreme Court. If I were, I'd calmly go through the process,
>>>> secure that the FBI would confirm my innocence.
>>>
>>> I'll pass. I'm not an ax murderer but I don't need bad choices from 50
>>> years ago dredged up.
>>
>> Hell, I like beer too! Especially a strong IPA, or Carlsberg Elephant!
>
> Whille I drank my share beer was never my preference. You can develop a
> hangover while you're still drinking that stuff and you have to piss a
> lot. Very inefficient.
>
> Then there is the other problem. Prior to the purity laws gruit had a wide
> variety of possibly psychoactive herbs mixed in. Then the church got into
> the game and promoted hops as the sole preservative/flavoring. Why?
>
> https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19560531/
>
> "Experimental evidence of the anaphrodisiac activity of Humulus lupulus L.
> in naïve male rats"
>
> In less formal terms
>
> https://www.vice.com/en/article/bmpbm8/ipas-are-giving-you-man-boobs

Brewer's droop and a beer belly :-(

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Among_the_Thugs

Apart from describing football rioters and incredible violence,
he also relates the absolutely incredible amounts of pub ale and
lager that were consumed.

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On 26 Jan 2024 02:13:32 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote in
<l1giqbFau3lU2@mid.individual.net>:

> RedHat pissed me off years ago but I might give Fedora another shot.

I don't think I could ever go back to Fedora, after learning
how RedHat legal controls the distribution.

There was elliptical-curve crypto in openssl that they took
out for years. Not just with a build option to leave it out,
but by actually _removing the offending code_ in their SRPMS.

I jumped ship to Linux Mint, as it was recommended to me
by a good friend and community college Linux instructor.
Except for some dalliances with Ubuntu, I've stuck with it.

Note that I was also weary of all the other stuff that wasn't
in Fedora, like the ability to play mp3's. Can you even
do that in stock Fedora yet? Crazy town.

(I used Red Hat Linux since the Halloween release, then Fedora
Core, then Fedora. I've paid my he-man Linux dues, nice
to have an all-inclusive distro such as Linux Mint to retire to.)

_ _ _ _ _ _ _
_[/home/vallor]_(vallor@lm)🐧_
$ cat /etc/os-release
NAME="Linux Mint"
VERSION="21.2 (Victoria)"
ID=linuxmint
ID_LIKE="ubuntu debian"
PRETTY_NAME="Linux Mint 21.2"
VERSION_ID="21.2"
HOME_URL="https://www.linuxmint.com/"
SUPPORT_URL="https://forums.linuxmint.com/"
BUG_REPORT_URL="http://linuxmint-troubleshooting-guide.readthedocs.io/en/
latest/"
PRIVACY_POLICY_URL="https://www.linuxmint.com/"
VERSION_CODENAME=victoria
UBUNTU_CODENAME=jammy
_ _ _ _ _ _ _

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On Friday, January 26, 2024 at 8:53:38 PM UTC-5, rbowman wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Jan 2024 15:41:54 -0800 (PST), -hh wrote:
>
> > So how does one magically 'find" $900K in cash to pay off debts when
> > only making a $300K (before taxes) income? Plus don't forget the other
> > disclosed expenditures they were making: two kids in a $10,500/year
> > private school (each), and joining an exclusive country club which had a
> > $92,000 initiation fee.
>
> Apply that logic to the 540 elected officials and there won't be many
> left. 'Honorariums', 'speaking fees' and sales of books nobody reads are
> popular laundry additives.

Yup, they’ve allowed a lot of loopholes for themselves which really should be closed,
or at least taxed into oblivion. Other big ones are no prohibitions on insider trading,
and election funds .. IIRC, there’s some cushy rules for what happens to those funds
when the politician retires, which has resulted in them doing fund raising even after
they’ve decided to not run for office again.

Lastly, one “fat” one is their retirement pension, which starts at just 5 years of office
holding, and IIRC includes a 70+% subsidy on healthcare insurance costs in addition
to having a steep pay curve. I’ll have to go verify, but IIRC, it’s 1.7%/yr * years * pay
average…at just five years at their minimum pay of $174K, it’s already $15K/yr, plus
the healthcare portion being worth another $15K/yr (and not taxed), so call it $30K/yr
net equivalent. Similarly, at just 10 years = $30K (+$15K) = $45K/yr and 20yrs = $60K
(+15K) = $75K/yr and so on … plus add Social Security on top of this.

-hh

On Sat, 27 Jan 2024 16:39:07 -0000 (UTC), vallor wrote:

> Note that I was also weary of all the other stuff that wasn't in Fedora,
> like the ability to play mp3's. Can you even do that in stock Fedora
> yet? Crazy town.

That's the reason I want to try Fedora. I think there is an option to
allow proprietary software. I don't plan to do a lot of development work
on the test bed machine so I can do a clean install if a distro doesn't
work out.

The family is confusing. Fedora is upstream of Centos Stream, which is
upstream of RHEL, which is upstream of Rocky. My concern with Fedora is it
might push out ill thought out changes which is why I dropped Red Hat
about 20 years ago. I also want to see how the KDE 'spin' works since RH
is Gnome orieted.

Le 27-01-2024, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> a écrit :
>
> The family is confusing. Fedora is upstream of Centos Stream, which is
> upstream of RHEL, which is upstream of Rocky. My concern with Fedora is it
> might push out ill thought out changes which is why I dropped Red Hat
> about 20 years ago.

I don't really understand what distrobox is. I know it uses containers,
but how it is using containers is really unclear. I found lot of tutos,
but no explanation about its internals. And when I tried to investigate,
it's really weird. I'll go further when I find some time.

But all this to say that its use by Fedora Silverblue is really
interesting. I don't know if its use by itself is good or if it needs to
be handled carefully, but at least, there is something with it.

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vallor wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On 26 Jan 2024 02:13:32 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote in
> <l1giqbFau3lU2@mid.individual.net>:
>
>> RedHat pissed me off years ago but I might give Fedora another shot.
>
> I don't think I could ever go back to Fedora, after learning
> how RedHat legal controls the distribution.
>
> There was elliptical-curve crypto in openssl that they took
> out for years. Not just with a build option to leave it out,
> but by actually _removing the offending code_ in their SRPMS.
>
> I jumped ship to Linux Mint, as it was recommended to me
> by a good friend and community college Linux instructor.
> Except for some dalliances with Ubuntu, I've stuck with it.
>
> Note that I was also weary of all the other stuff that wasn't
> in Fedora, like the ability to play mp3's. Can you even
> do that in stock Fedora yet? Crazy town.
>
> (I used Red Hat Linux since the Halloween release, then Fedora
> Core, then Fedora. I've paid my he-man Linux dues, nice
> to have an all-inclusive distro such as Linux Mint to retire to.)
>
> _ _ _ _ _ _ _
> _[/home/vallor]_(vallor@lm)🐧_
> $ cat /etc/os-release
> NAME="Linux Mint"
> VERSION="21.2 (Victoria)"
> ID=linuxmint
> ID_LIKE="ubuntu debian"
> PRETTY_NAME="Linux Mint 21.2"
> VERSION_ID="21.2"
> HOME_URL="https://www.linuxmint.com/"
> SUPPORT_URL="https://forums.linuxmint.com/"
> BUG_REPORT_URL="http://linuxmint-troubleshooting-guide.readthedocs.io/en/
> latest/"
> PRIVACY_POLICY_URL="https://www.linuxmint.com/"
> VERSION_CODENAME=victoria
> UBUNTU_CODENAME=jammy
> _ _ _ _ _ _ _

You panty-waist!!! :-)

% cat /etc/os-release
NAME="Arch Linux"
PRETTY_NAME="Arch Linux"
ID=arch
BUILD_ID=rolling
ANSI_COLOR="38;2;23;147;209"
HOME_URL="https://archlinux.org/"
DOCUMENTATION_URL="https://wiki.archlinux.org/"
SUPPORT_URL="https://bbs.archlinux.org/"
BUG_REPORT_URL="https://gitlab.archlinux.org/groups/archlinux/-/issues"
PRIVACY_POLICY_URL="https://terms.archlinux.org/docs/privacy-policy/"
LOGO=archlinux-logo

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rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On Sat, 27 Jan 2024 16:39:07 -0000 (UTC), vallor wrote:
>
>> Note that I was also weary of all the other stuff that wasn't in Fedora,
>> like the ability to play mp3's. Can you even do that in stock Fedora
>> yet? Crazy town.
>
> That's the reason I want to try Fedora. I think there is an option to
> allow proprietary software. I don't plan to do a lot of development work
> on the test bed machine so I can do a clean install if a distro doesn't
> work out.
>
> The family is confusing. Fedora is upstream of Centos Stream, which is
> upstream of RHEL, which is upstream of Rocky. My concern with Fedora is it
> might push out ill thought out changes which is why I dropped Red Hat
> about 20 years ago. I also want to see how the KDE 'spin' works since RH
> is Gnome orieted.

I installed Debian on a government-owned laptop years ago (the govvie project
managers were fine with it). I had to keep up with updates including kernel
updates and security updates. Wasn't too bad.

One day the dictum came down about using approved distros, so I had to install
CentOS instead.

There were a couple other guys on our teams who got big into Linux.

We could install VirtualBox to do the Windows dev work.

Once, I got tasked to port the application to Linux. That was a lot of fun,
really.

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On 27 Jan 2024 20:08:36 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

> I don't really understand what distrobox is. I know it uses containers,
> but how it is using containers is really unclear. I found lot of tutos,
> but no explanation about its internals. And when I tried to investigate,
> it's really weird. I'll go further when I find some time.

I haven't dug into it but from a quick reading it sounds like the Python
virtual environment scheme. Esri's tailored Python distribution is based
on Anaconda so I've been moving to that from pip for consistency. Both
have pluses and minuses.

The Esri Python installation is immutable (mostly). Some aren't but using
virtual environments is highly recommended. In conda there are a lot of
flags but the basic is

conda create -name myproject
conda activate myproject

The prompt changes to '(myproject) $' form (base) $ to let you know where
you are. 'myproject' has all the capabilities of the base install. If you
want numpy for example

conda config --env --add channels conda-forge
conda install numpy

There are a couple of other ways to skin the cat but you have install
numpy -- in your project and not in the base install. If you create
another virtual environment and switch to it it will not have numpy.

For Python this was done to eliminate dependency hell where incompatible
packages were installed to the base system. I think distrobox is similar
although I believe it uses PodMan or Docker to create a container. Same
idea though, don't mess with the base install.

I can see where they're going with Silverblue but I'll give it a while
before jumping in.

>
> But all this to say that its use by Fedora Silverblue is really
> interesting. I don't know if its use by itself is good or if it needs to
> be handled carefully, but at least, there is something with it.

On Sat, 27 Jan 2024 18:10:37 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> Once, I got tasked to port the application to Linux. That was a lot of
> fun,
> really.

That could be painful depending on the application. We go the other way
any the legacy product is mostly a port from Linux to Windows using the
MKS Toolkit, NutCracker runtime, and PTC X server.

There are a few #ifdef lines but not all that many. The WSASocket layer
has its quirks but they can be handled.

Le 28-01-2024, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> a écrit :
> On 27 Jan 2024 20:08:36 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>
>> I don't really understand what distrobox is. I know it uses containers,
>> but how it is using containers is really unclear. I found lot of tutos,
>> but no explanation about its internals. And when I tried to investigate,
>> it's really weird. I'll go further when I find some time.
>
> For Python this was done to eliminate dependency hell where incompatible
> packages were installed to the base system. I think distrobox is similar
> although I believe it uses PodMan or Docker to create a container. Same
> idea though, don't mess with the base install.

From my understanding, distrobox is using podman or docker to find an
existing container and add things on it by themselves. It's weird. When
you do something inside docker, it's lost when you quit it. And when you
do something with distrobox, it takes an image from dockerhub and this
image is visible at the same time from distrobox and from docker. But
when you change something inside your container using distrobox, when
you quit, it's saved in distrobox but the changes are invisible from
docker. So I don't know when and how it's changed.

> I can see where they're going with Silverblue but I'll give it a while
> before jumping in.

For now, I don't fully understand it, so I won't tell to go for it. But
from what I saw, it's interesting. One of the interesting stuff being, I
believe, that once you have everything configured, you can use it on any
distro effortlessly. The user's configuration I mean. Like with guix or
nixos in which you can manage your home directory usable on any distro.

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On 28 Jan 2024 21:08:00 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

> From my understanding, distrobox is using podman or docker to find an
> existing container and add things on it by themselves. It's weird. When
> you do something inside docker, it's lost when you quit it. And when you
> do something with distrobox, it takes an image from dockerhub and this
> image is visible at the same time from distrobox and from docker. But
> when you change something inside your container using distrobox, when
> you quit, it's saved in distrobox but the changes are invisible from
> docker. So I don't know when and how it's changed.

I've used docker but I was cookbooking my way through it. The goal was to
create the container and then download the environment to run in it.

I was doing this on Windows 11 but the Docker setup preferred to use the
WSL instance rather than the native Windows hypervisor.

Containers, VMs, Kubernetes, and so forth fall into my 'I'll figure them
out if I ever have to' bucket. Until then I'll stick with the 30,000 foot
view to use the annoying cliche.